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(Think Progress)   High schooler expelled, charged with felony for lesbian relationship. Florida tag lives up to its reputation   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 511
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2013-05-19 08:08:46 AM  
♫ 16 will get you 20 ♫
 
2013-05-19 08:46:32 AM  
The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.
 
2013-05-19 08:50:30 AM  

thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16)


According to TFA, one was 18 and the other was 15. I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.
 
2013-05-19 08:59:24 AM  

Mugato: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16)

According to TFA, one was 18 and the other was 15. I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.


Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.

The fact that you jumped to the strange conclusion of "see gays? now you know what it's like to be persecuted like us heteros" would be offensive if it wasn't so busy being retarded.
 
2013-05-19 09:01:50 AM  

thamike: Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.

The fact that you jumped to the strange conclusion of "see gays? now you know what it's like to be persecuted like us heteros" would be offensive if it wasn't so busy being retarded.


16 is the age of consent in Florida. And all I was saying was that them being lesbians isn't the issue, which is the conclusion everyone seems to be  coming to. Dick.
 
2013-05-19 09:03:00 AM  

thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.


Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
2013-05-19 09:05:00 AM  
The other girl's parents sound like the kind of nincompoops who would ship their kid off to one of those "pray away the gay" torture camps.
 
2013-05-19 09:05:14 AM  
FTFA: "Kaitlyn Hunt"

So, the teens were expelled from school because the girl..

puts on sunglasses

was kissing her K. Hunt.

Yeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhh
 
2013-05-19 09:07:39 AM  
Attorney, Brian Workman, has offered Kaitlyn a plea deal...

Kaitlyn's attorney countered with a plea deal of 'apologize, shut the hell up then go away or lose your job and get your ass sued off in civil court'. He has until mobs of angry people with signs start following him around to reply.
 
2013-05-19 09:07:49 AM  
15 is too young to be in any relationship. Why didnt they just act like normal people and not make it publicly known. Just like any 15 yo would. I agree this has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They will hate each other in a year anyway.
 
2013-05-19 09:08:37 AM  
The best way to stop lesbianism is to put a cute girl in a women's prison?
 
2013-05-19 09:08:39 AM  

Mugato: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16)

According to TFA, one was 18 and the other was 15. I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.


You misspelled "interracial" as "hetero".
 
2013-05-19 09:08:49 AM  
Can they PROVE there was sexual contact between the time the older girl turned 18 and the younger girl turned 16 (if she has yet)? I'd say it's doubtful they can. The defense should try that. However they should have planned for this and basically told everyone they were broken up as soon as the older girl turned 18 and just waited it out... or yanno... found someone closer to her own age.
 
2013-05-19 09:09:53 AM  

Mugato: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16)

According to TFA, one was 18 and the other was 15. I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.


This
 
2013-05-19 09:10:16 AM  
The florida tag is appropriate.  Here's what's going on.

Florida does have a "Romeo and Juliet" law on the books, but that law does  not make this kind of sexual activity legal (regardless of whether it's a same sex or opposite couple).  The only thing this law does is remove placement on the sex offender registry from the possible punishments.  If this had been a guy and not a girl, the younger girl's parents still could have requested charges, they still could have been filed, he still could have been expelled, etc etc.

What this girl received is equal treatment under the law (it's just a really stupid law.  I hate Florida).
 
2013-05-19 09:11:37 AM  

EvilEgg: Mugato: She's a cute little rug muncher. But weren't the charges more about the girl's age than them being gay?

It seems odd that their relationship became illegal. That doesn't seem fair.


While it may be about their preferences, boys have been charged with this for years if the girls' parents didn't want them having sex. Illegal no matter the persuasion if the parents choose to be assholes.
 
2013-05-19 09:12:03 AM  

squibbits: The other girl's parents sound like the kind of nincompoops who would ship their kid off to one of those "pray away the gay" torture camps.


FTFA: "They are bigoted, religious zeolites [sic] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. "

I think they are more apt to "pray away the hard water".
 
2013-05-19 09:12:19 AM  

Mugato: thamike: Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.

The fact that you jumped to the strange conclusion of "see gays? now you know what it's like to be persecuted like us heteros" would be offensive if it wasn't so busy being retarded.

16 is the age of consent in Florida. And all I was saying was that them being lesbians isn't the issue, which is the conclusion everyone seems to be  coming to. Dick.


You sound like the younger girl's parents. It's interesting that it only became a legal issue with the parents once she turned 18. I doubt they would have prosecuted had this been a boyfriend. But there's teh ghey to consider. Once again fundies are turning their kids against them.
 
2013-05-19 09:12:22 AM  
I'm more interested in her being expelled from school for just being charged with a crime. I can understand the logic if the person being present would disrupt the normal school day but that person should still be accommodated, even if they have to be taught separately. In this situation  I can't find a single reason.
 
2013-05-19 09:12:41 AM  

Vtimlin: 15 is too young to be in any relationship. Why didnt they just act like normal people and not make it publicly known. Just like any 15 yo would. I agree this has nothing to do with sexual orientation. They will hate each other in a year anyway.


I'm assuming dispshiat parents following the dipshiat public service advice of 'spy on everythig your kids do online because there is a 1 in a billion chance they will get killed by an online serial killer / rapist / cannibal / devil worshipper' played a role.
 
2013-05-19 09:13:13 AM  

gambitsgirl: EvilEgg: Mugato: She's a cute little rug muncher. But weren't the charges more about the girl's age than them being gay?

It seems odd that their relationship became illegal. That doesn't seem fair.

While it may be about their preferences, boys have been charged with this for years if the girls' parents didn't want them having sex. Illegal no matter the persuasion if the parents choose to be assholes.


Agreed.  It just doesn't make the news when it's a boy.
 
2013-05-19 09:13:26 AM  
Go on...
 
2013-05-19 09:13:27 AM  
Actually, they article said this was when she was 17, and the other girl was 3 years younger, making her 14.

It's not about being lesbian, is about doing it with a minor.

Sorry, I'm very pro LGBT, but this has nothing to do with sexual preferences and all about age.

Forgive me if I cannot muster any outrage.
 
2013-05-19 09:14:20 AM  
She could have gotten the girl pregnant and ruined her life by pushing to her to get a lesbian abortion and never vote Republican. That's a felony for sure.
 
2013-05-19 09:15:03 AM  
Oh and if they were anything like the "lesbians" at my school they weren't even boinking. We had pretend lesbians just trying to piss off their parents, shock the squares and get all the boys hot and bothered... but no actual rug munching was taking place.
 
2013-05-19 09:15:27 AM  

Savage Belief:  It's interesting that it only became a legal issue with the parents once she turned 18


It's not really interesting, that's the law.
 
2013-05-19 09:15:34 AM  
Death penalty for everyone!
 
2013-05-19 09:15:40 AM  
No. According to the article,
"Kaitlyn Hunt started dating a female classmate at the beginning of the school year when she was 17 and the girl she was about three years younger."

That makes them 17 and 14. And 14 is too young to be consenting to a sexual relationship (according to Florida Law)
 
2013-05-19 09:16:41 AM  

thamike: Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.


Did you not see the Florida tag?  Are you really assuming they have sensible laws there?

The fact that you jumped to the obvious strange conclusion of "see lesbians gays? now you know what it's like to be screwed over by a discriminatory law  persecuted like us males of any orientation  heteros" would be offensive to those who love to be offended if it wasn't so busy being retarded.

FTFY
 
2013-05-19 09:16:57 AM  
This has everything to do with age, anyone who thinks this has to do with them being gay is a moron and has an axe to grind.
 
2013-05-19 09:16:59 AM  
Kaitlyn Hunt started dating a female classmate at the beginning of the school year when she was 17 and the girl she was about three years younger.

/She's being charged for rug munching a minor, not for being a lesbian subtard.
 
2013-05-19 09:17:53 AM  
This article is useless without hot girl on girl video.
 
2013-05-19 09:19:09 AM  
The girl is technically wrong under the current laws but the is a young not hideous white girl so thhis will be a cause celabrated and pushed by the LGBTW propaganda groups and news to get florida to change there laws. It likely won't happen instantly to make the law better for teen relationships, but will get her punishment lowered and make the whole agenda in the news and more mainstream untill they have more sexual rights than people in straight relationships eventually.
 
2013-05-19 09:19:23 AM  

Dinobot: Actually, they article said this was when she was 17, and the other girl was 3 years younger, making her 14.

It's not about being lesbian, is about doing it with a minor.

Sorry, I'm very pro LGBT, but this has nothing to do with sexual preferences and all about age.

Forgive me if I cannot muster any outrage.


Cripes. If they charged every kid who's dated another kid 3 years younger the high schools would be half empty. I however stuck to older woman... well adults actually. Those crazy broads probably WOULD have done time if anyone had found out what the did with poor widdle me. :-D
 
2013-05-19 09:20:23 AM  
EvilEgg:It seems odd that their relationship became illegal. That doesn't seem fair.

From my far from expert knowledge on this subject, I believe it was a felony before hand also.  It's a 2nd degree once she turned 18, 3rd degree before.

From a legal and school standpoint, this definitely seems more about the age issue than the gay issue.  From the parent standpoint.......well, who knows?  Maybe they would be just as pissed if it was some dude giving it to their precious baby on a regular basis.  Only person in the story that made it about them being gay was the expelled students mom.  Not sure how much weight I would put into that comment.
 
2013-05-19 09:21:50 AM  

thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.


16 is the cut-off for the close age exception in Florida. There is an additional law that allows people who are convicted of having sex with a 14-15 year old to petition to avoid having to register as a sex offender. It looks like this girl might be in some legal trouble, whether it is because she is gay or because the other girls parents kicked up a fuss (for whatever reason) is debatable but it doesn't look like the law specifically targets gay teens. The case does highlight how stupid the law is - one day your actions are legal and the next they are illegal simply because you got a day older.

From the googles:

Provision23
Section 943.04354, F.S. ("Romeo and Juliet" Law):
Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders
who are already on the sex offender registry.
For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying offenders to make a
motion to the court for relief of the requirement to register.
Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration
requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.
Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age. Section 794.05, F.S.:
• Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct
with a person 16-23 years of age.
Similar Provisions:
 
2013-05-19 09:21:58 AM  

Dinobot: INeedAName: Mugato: She's a cute little rug muncher. But weren't the charges more about the girl's age than them being gay?

Starting with some sort of homosexual slur and then saying it's not about them being gay is a really great way to make your case.

If their daughter was getting plowed by the senior QB, about to graduate and head off to Miami/FSU, etc. I'm sure the parents would be thrilled.

Perhaps the parents (of the minor) would turn a blind eye on it if she was getting bonked by an 18 year old QB; but that does not mean the girl did not commit a crime for being in a sexual relationship with a minor.


It has nothing to do with whether or not it was a crime (which it obviously is), it has to do with why this even became an issue in the first place.
 
2013-05-19 09:22:31 AM  

thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.


Then why did the state's attorney offer a plea deal, instead of declining to pursue charges if there was no crime?
 
2013-05-19 09:23:17 AM  

Mugato: thamike: Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.

The fact that you jumped to the strange conclusion of "see gays? now you know what it's like to be persecuted like us heteros" would be offensive if it wasn't so busy being retarded.

16 is the age of consent in Florida. And all I was saying was that them being lesbians isn't the issue, which is the conclusion everyone seems to be  coming to. Dick.


No, 18 is the age of consent in Florida.  I'm talking about the close of age exemption.  And that wasn't all you were saying.  Look:

I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.

It might be early in the morning and you might not actually feel this way, but you already have at least one clueless asshole agreeing with that sentiment in this thread.  The situation is yours to rectify if you want. I'm not offended because it is so poorly thought out, I doubt it has any real basis in your overall worldview.
 
2013-05-19 09:23:52 AM  
How can there be a determination of sex if both refuse to testify?
 
2013-05-19 09:25:17 AM  

Thisbymaster: This has everything to do with age, anyone who thinks this has to do with them being gay is a moron and has an axe to grind.


Sounds like there were a couple of axe wounds grinding, all right.
 
2013-05-19 09:25:38 AM  

Dinobot: Sorry, I'm very pro LGBT


I believe it is now LGBTABCPDQMOUSE...
 
2013-05-19 09:25:42 AM  

Target Builder: 16 is the cut-off for the close age exception in Florida. There is an additional law that allows people who are convicted of having sex with a 14-15 year old to petition to avoid having to register as a sex offender. It looks like this girl might be in some legal trouble, whether it is because she is gay or because the other girls parents kicked up a fuss (for whatever reason) is debatable but it doesn't look like the law specifically targets gay teens. The case does highlight how stupid the law is - one day your actions are legal and the next they are illegal simply because you got a day older.


As i said, she has a case.  Even so, I have no doubt that it would be a tricky one if it actually went to trial.
 
2013-05-19 09:25:45 AM  
Mugato:
According to TFA, one was 18 and the other was 15. I'm not saying I agree with the law but if it were a hetero couple, the 18 year old would be charged as well. Gays want equality well there it is.

The only thing I saw in the article about the age difference was this: "when she was 17 and the girl she was about three years younger". (sic) Perhaps I'm being skeptical, but I read this as the younger girl was 13, easily possible if she was on the young side of 17 at the time.  And yes, if you're a 17 year old boy shtupping a 13-year old, you may expect the girl's parents to get policey.
 
2013-05-19 09:26:18 AM  

mrlewish: How can there be a determination of sex if both refuse to testify?


dingdingding
 
2013-05-19 09:27:09 AM  

INeedAName: It has nothing to do with whether or not it was a crime (which it obviously is), it has to do with why this even became an issue in the first place.


Yeah, it's most likely the girl's parents were upset about something... to me, it doesn't matter, they still broke the law...

The question is, If that cute lesbian in the photo had been a guy and he had gotten charged with a 2nd degree felony, would you be outraged?
 
2013-05-19 09:27:10 AM  
High School seniors should not be having sex with ninth-graders no matter what the sexual orientation.
 
2013-05-19 09:27:14 AM  

INeedAName: It has nothing to do with whether or not it was a crime (which it obviously is), it has to do with why this even became an issue in the first place


Sure the parents are dicks but guys get nailed for this sort of thing all the time. So your beef is with the parents, not "society" and not the state of Florida for simply enforcing an admittedly stupid law.

 You all are insistent on turning this into some civil rights issue and I'm tired of repeating myself. I'm going to go watch some teen lesbian porn.
 
2013-05-19 09:27:22 AM  
This is a story of appropriate action taken by sensible people that is in no way way excessively ruinous to anyone and certain to result in an overall benefit to society.
 
2013-05-19 09:28:39 AM  
No where in the article does it say their relationship was sexual in nature. Unless I'm missing something because I just woke up and feel like crap.

Alternately, we could blow up Florida.
 
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