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2013-05-19 10:55:04 AM

TonyDanza: MarkEC: but use the correct facts instead of arguing from ignorance.

This is Fark, not sure what you were expecting.


This is Fark, so I expect those arguing that it's all about homophobia to completely ignore the facts just to further their agenda. Did my post infer I expected otherwise?
 
2013-05-19 10:55:11 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: keenerb: Come on, it's Think Progress. "Almost three years" almost certainly means "18 yrs. and 14 yrs. old"

Not sure where you learned math, but "Almost three years" almost certainly means "18yrs and and 15 yrs old"
 18-14=4  ;  4 > 3
even if you account for fractions of years between their birthdays, like 18 y.o and 14 y + 360 days old, it will always be more than 3 years

That being said - 18 year old + 15 year old still equals legal problems in most states.



From the "Free Kate" facebook page:
At the beginning of the school year,  Kaitlyn made friends with a 14-year-old freshmen girl in Sebastian River High's IB program who played varsity sports and took classes with upper classmen. The girls were peers in the same social circle, and as happens every day high schools across America, their friendship eventually developed into more. In September, shortly after Kaitlyn's 18th birthday, the girls began dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in intimate ways.
 
2013-05-19 10:56:20 AM

Loren: This is 18 and 15. I'm afraid she's guilty.


Guilty of being born about 15 years too late to have graced my high school.
 
2013-05-19 10:58:17 AM

sforce: Not if the younger girl refuses to testify. If they can't prove they had oral sex or any penetration, case over.


You don't have to testify if you've already made statements to the police, those statements can be used in court. And if you read the facebook page even this girl's mother admits there was a sexual encounter (I'm sure this makes the defense lawyers happy).
 
2013-05-19 11:00:12 AM

DrewCurtisJr: sforce: Not if the younger girl refuses to testify. If they can't prove they had oral sex or any penetration, case over.

You don't have to testify if you've already made statements to the police, those statements can be used in court. And if you read the facebook page even this girl's mother admits there was a sexual encounter (I'm sure this makes the defense lawyers happy).


Her mom is an idiot
 
2013-05-19 11:00:43 AM
God how I love lesbian porn.
 
2013-05-19 11:01:45 AM

sforce: Loren: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.

This is 18 and 15.  I'm afraid she's guilty.

Not if the younger girl refuses to testify. If they can't prove they had oral sex or any penetration, case over.


If there's no proof, the DA probably wouldn't be bringing charges, even in Florida :)
Again, there's other means of proof besides testimony.  And a victim refusing to testify doesn't invalidate a criminal case...it's the people vs. the defendant, not the victim vs. the defendant.
 
2013-05-19 11:01:57 AM

MarkEC: This is Fark, so I expect those arguing that it's all about homophobia to completely ignore the facts just to further their agenda. Did my post infer I expected otherwise?


Then your expectations were right on point.  I guess it was just wishful thinking you were going with by asking people to use facts.
 
2013-05-19 11:04:38 AM

PunGent: sforce: Loren: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.

This is 18 and 15.  I'm afraid she's guilty.

Not if the younger girl refuses to testify. If they can't prove they had oral sex or any penetration, case over.

If there's no proof, the DA probably wouldn't be bringing charges, even in Florida :)
Again, there's other means of proof besides testimony.  And a victim refusing to testify doesn't invalidate a criminal case...it's the people vs. the defendant, not the victim vs. the defendant.


It doesn't help that the "Free Kate" facebook page setup by her mom actually details they had an intimate encounter, and the age of the minor.

At the beginning of the school year,   Kaitlyn made friends with a 14-year-old freshmen girl in Sebastian River High's IB program who played varsity sports and took classes with upper classmen. The girls were peers in the same social circle, and as happens every day high schools across America, their friendship eventually developed into more. In September, shortly after Kaitlyn's 18th birthday, the girls began dating, and they eventually expressed their affection for one another in intimate ways.
 
2013-05-19 11:06:56 AM

TonyDanza: MarkEC: This is Fark, so I expect those arguing that it's all about homophobia to completely ignore the facts just to further their agenda. Did my post infer I expected otherwise?

Then your expectations were right on point.  I guess it was just wishful thinking you were going with by asking people to use facts.


I would be shocked if one of them actually admitted they jumped to conclusions and were wrong. That sometimes happens on Fark, but that is rare.
 
2013-05-19 11:07:20 AM

PunGent: sforce: Loren: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.

This is 18 and 15.  I'm afraid she's guilty.

Not if the younger girl refuses to testify. If they can't prove they had oral sex or any penetration, case over.

If there's no proof, the DA probably wouldn't be bringing charges, even in Florida :)
Again, there's other means of proof besides testimony.  And a victim refusing to testify doesn't invalidate a criminal case...it's the people vs. the defendant, not the victim vs. the defendant.


Another CSB: 15 year old girl I knew's parents had her 18 year old boyfriend arrested for statutory. She refused to testify, state dropped the case. If the "victim" won't even admit to something happening in this sort of case, it's kind of hard to sit on a jury and believe there's no reasonable doubt. All pointless though as someone above pointed out that the 18 year old girl's mom has said something "intimate" happened.
 
2013-05-19 11:08:22 AM
In other news, being gay apparently doesn't help with spelling.
 
2013-05-19 11:09:34 AM

gunsmack: This article is useless without hot girl on girl video.


[chrishansen.jpg]
 
2013-05-19 11:10:34 AM

desertfool: Oh, FFS, here are details from the "Free Kate" Facebook page:

As the summer of 2012 came to an end, the future looked bright for 17-year-old Sebastian River High School senior Kaitlyn Hunt. Voted the student with "Most School Spirit" by her peers, Kaitlyn was an active cheerleader, a basketball player, a camp counselor and cheering coach, and a medical assistant training to join the nursing program at Valencia College after graduation.


Kaitlyn sounds like quite a catch! Had she been a guy with similar credentials (perhaps football player instead of cheerleader, medical school instead of nursing), that younger girl's parents would have thrown their daughter at her and insisted they get hitched as soon as possible. "Age difference? Oh, you can't stop young love!"
 
2013-05-19 11:11:02 AM

macadamnut: here to help: Can they PROVE there was sexual contact between the time the older girl turned 18 and the younger girl turned 16 (if she has yet)? I'd say it's doubtful they can. The defense should try that.

Exactly this. The story says dating a female classmate. Where is the evidence or testimony of sexual battery? Same thing in the Carla Hale catholic school case; she revealed that she had a same-sex partner, did her mom's obituary include details of their sex life?


Teenage dating moved beyond the "let's hold hands and have ice cream sundaes" stage several decades ago.

I'd be surprised if a) sexual battery DIDN'T occur, and b) if there wasn't evidence of it.
 
2013-05-19 11:11:42 AM

hubiestubert: The age of consent is more the issue. Hetro couple or no, the age difference is the real issue. And in this case. It is less than some of the creepy stuff that I see in NoHo--there is a fairly active woman in Northampton Massachusetts who I would LOVE to see face charges, considering her age, and the number of girls that she approaches. While I was at the Iron Horse I had to deal with NoHo's Bearded Lady fair often, and she really likes her girls on the statutory rape side of the tracks. To the point, where I had to forbid her coming anywhere near the kitchen, and out of the Green Room, to keep her away from my crew, some of whom were just barely legal to work. She still approached these kids while they were walking down the street though, and her record of working with street kids in the area is littered with girls who have been approached by her in a sexual predator fashion. Were she a man, especially in the Happy Valley, she would have been jailed a long time ago, but because this is the Lesbian Capital of the East, she is sort of ignored. She does some good work with street kids--in getting them shelter, getting them food, into detox programs--but she takes a bit of that out in trade, and it's an ill kept secret at best. And no one likes to talk about her proclivities. She uses her position in several local organizations, and their contacts to cover for her, and it's absolutely disgusting. Not because she's a lesbian, but because she is a predator who goes after kids who are at risk, and gets her jollies on taking advantage of kids who have unstable backgrounds, and were she a man, she'd have been jailed long ago for it.

Until the LGBT community steps up, and denounces this sort of thing, there is a problem. Don't get me wrong, the LGBT community faces a lot of challenges, even on the East Coast, but the one thing that the LGBT community NEEDS to do is be ready to look at their own for the sort of misconduct that they are willing to leap upon if it happens outs ...


Very, very much this.
I know and know of many gay men, for instance, who see "twinkies" as opportunities rather than off-limits areas. Their thinking is "they can't get pregnant, so who cares?" some are also deluded enough to think that they would be offering mentoring to these poor lost boys (farking, really)
 
2013-05-19 11:12:21 AM

Dinobot: It doesn't help that the "Free Kate" facebook page setup by her mom actually details they had an intimate encounter, and the age of the minor.


If thatmike is correct, that doesn't matter. Nor should it in a civilized society.

Teens have to find themselves, and sex is a big part of that. If they're in the same social circles, they will fark. It's the basis of some of the greatest works of literature and art.

cache2.allpostersimages.com

You can't stop that with a million laws so civilized societies don't try to criminalize being a teen. Hence, close age exceptions.
 
2013-05-19 11:13:37 AM

Igor Jakovsky: In your original post that I responded to you were going on about the 23-16 exemption which had nothing to do with this story. Then you proceeded to go on about lawsuits and other BS which was really over the top.

Sure she can take it to court, this is america after all but if the jury goes by the way the law is written she is probably going to lose. Iirc 18 and 16 is ok 18-15 not ok because 16 is the bottom end of the exemption for 18+


All I said is that she has a case based on the close in age exception.  And she does.  If I were a lawyer in Florida, i would take the defendant's case.  Not because it's a sure thing, but because it is something that can be fought. The fact that there is a close in age exception makes these particular charges debatable if consent was made.

There is no moral absolute in my attitude.  My legal opinion is that the charges can and will be challenged.  My personal opinion is that they should be.  And since my legal opinion means f*ck-all to the reality of it, I'll stick with "should."
 
2013-05-19 11:13:51 AM

Dinobot: INeedAName: It has nothing to do with whether or not it was a crime (which it obviously is), it has to do with why this even became an issue in the first place.

Yeah, it's most likely the girl's parents were upset about something... to me, it doesn't matter, they still broke the law...

The question is, If that cute lesbian in the photo had been a guy and he had gotten charged with a 2nd degree felony, would you be outraged?


I'll agree that the laws have resulted in a lot of misandry, but the point is that the law is wrong and stupid, regardless of gender.
 
2013-05-19 11:16:41 AM
Why does this keep getting flubbed up back and forth? They first got together at 17 and "about three years younger"[from the article] and in February when the arrest happened were 18 and 15.

Also, from the Facebook page:

The school was very supportive, they all know and loved Kate. They told us that the other girls parents had already come in and wanted Kate to be expelled, they told them no, they wouldn't do that. The parents didn't like that, so that petitioned the court and asked the judge to remove Kate from school, even though the Judge already ruled Kate could continue school. We sat in front of the Judge again, and the judge ruled yet again that Kate could continue going to school, he didn't feel like Kate was any threat at all.
...
But, the fight continued. the parents fought dirty, we pushed back and tried everything we could. I went to the school board with not one but two orders from Indian River County Judges saying Kate could continue going to school, but the school board sided with the parents, and expelled my daughter. Kate was forced to go to the alternative school.


Fark that.

And then for the LoLz:
The school board made one concession and allowed Kate to attend her senior events like grad bash, and senior fun day at the school and she will be able to walk at her graduation at the high school and actually graduate from SRHS.

She can't be around them in school because parent outrage/bad influence/evil sinner whatever the reason the parents hounded the school board with. But she can be at all the social events that's cool.

Makes me think the school board didn't want to do anything in the first place(but they did so bla).
 
2013-05-19 11:20:40 AM

thamike: All I said is that she has a case based on the close in age exception. And she does.


If she did it would not have gotten this far.
 
2013-05-19 11:20:47 AM

almandot: Fark that.


Seriously, the fact that the school got involved with the courts about this is another bonus to the defense.  If there is anybody reasonable involved in this, charges will be dropped or expulsion is reversed, with the charges going to trial.  There is no way to win both.  The case has been poisoned by blithering plaintiffs and overcompensating school admins.
 
2013-05-19 11:21:25 AM

DrewCurtisJr: thamike: All I said is that she has a case based on the close in age exception. And she does.

If she did it would not have gotten this far.


That makes absolutely no sense.
 
2013-05-19 11:21:31 AM
/ Not enough pictures....
 
2013-05-19 11:22:24 AM
Sebastian River class of 97!

Except I didn't graduate on time. I failed Government class, the only credit I needed to graduate.

Our government teacher was a rightwing zealot that gave out grades based on our position essays written on stories from 'US News and World Reports' magazine because the school didn't have textbooks.

I'm a liberal, he protested the local Planned Parenthood center on the weekends. He offered extra credit to go to the Bob Dole rally and didn't give any for going to Clinton's.

Suffice to say, he failed me with a 69.5.

All this to say, Sebastian is a beautiful place but living there is a challenge for anyone that isn't an old white republican.

I've got dozens of wtf stories from that town just in the 3 years I loved there.
 
2013-05-19 11:22:55 AM

gimmegimme: I'll agree that the laws have resulted in a lot of misandry, but the point is that the law is wrong and stupid, regardless of gender.


Out of curiosity, exactly which part of the law making it illegal for children to have sex do you find wrong and stupid?
 
2013-05-19 11:23:20 AM
The parents of the younger girl sound like like complete arseholes.
 
2013-05-19 11:23:34 AM

IoSaturnalia: squibbits: The other girl's parents sound like the kind of nincompoops who would ship their kid off to one of those "pray away the gay" torture camps.

FTFA: "They are bigoted, religious zeolites [sic] that see being gay as a sin and wrong, and they blame my daughter. "

I think they are more apt to "pray away the hard water".


And we trust ThinkProgress to be anything but bias against conservative opinionated members of our country?  C'mon.
 
2013-05-19 11:24:04 AM

Randomly: I've got dozens of wtf stories from that town just in the 3 years I loved there.


go on...
 
2013-05-19 11:24:17 AM

almandot: Why does this keep getting flubbed up back and forth? They first got together at 17 and "about three years younger"[from the article] and in February when the arrest happened were 18 and 15.


It doesn't matter when they started, what matters is that it continued after Kate turned 18.  Legally, the relationship had to end as Kate was no longer a minor.  My girlfriend in high school stopped sleeping with me when she turned 18 because of the same laws.  That law has nothing to do about Kate's sexual orientation.  We can be mad at the other girl's parents for being blatant homophobes, we can be mad at the school board for kicking her out of school even though she's only been charged with a crime, but there's no point in getting mad about the age difference.  It's like that for  everyone.
 
2013-05-19 11:26:18 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: It doesn't matter when they started, what matters is that it continued after Kate turned 18. Legally, the relationship had to end as Kate was no longer a minor.


Not necessarily, as has been previously under discussion.
 
2013-05-19 11:27:03 AM

Somacandra: gunsmack: This article is useless without hot girl on girl video.

[chrishansen.jpg]


i758.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 11:27:19 AM

thamike: That makes absolutely no sense.


You seem to be one the few who doesn't understand it.
 
2013-05-19 11:27:48 AM

TonyDanza: gimmegimme: I'll agree that the laws have resulted in a lot of misandry, but the point is that the law is wrong and stupid, regardless of gender.

Out of curiosity, exactly which part of the law making it illegal for children to have sex do you find wrong and stupid?


So three-year-olds and fifteen-year-olds are exactly the same in your eyes.  FAAAAAASCINATING.  Did you teach your toddler to drive?
 
2013-05-19 11:28:49 AM

thamike: Inquisitive Inquisitor: It doesn't matter when they started, what matters is that it continued after Kate turned 18. Legally, the relationship had to end as Kate was no longer a minor.

Not necessarily, as has been previously under discussion.


Right, because it was still illegal for them have sex when they 17 and 14 or 15 respectively.
 
2013-05-19 11:29:56 AM
Why do we have these type of laws? Is it to protect the "kids" or the parents?

100 years ago, 14 year olds were getting married.

These arbritary age limits on human biology are part of why we have turned 20 year olds into teens and teens into toddlers.
 
2013-05-19 11:30:21 AM

Target Builder: thamike: The relationship is well within Florida's close in age exemption (23 can legally have consensual sex with a 16).  Take it to trial and sue the parents for defamation for calling you a sexual predator.  Then sue the school administration.

16 is the cut-off for the close age exception in Florida. There is an additional law that allows people who are convicted of having sex with a 14-15 year old to petition to avoid having to register as a sex offender. It looks like this girl might be in some legal trouble, whether it is because she is gay or because the other girls parents kicked up a fuss (for whatever reason) is debatable but it doesn't look like the law specifically targets gay teens. The case does highlight how stupid the law is - one day your actions are legal and the next they are illegal simply because you got a day older.

From the googles:

Provision23
Section 943.04354, F.S. ("Romeo and Juliet" Law):
Provides petition process for removal of the requirement to register for qualifying offenders
who are already on the sex offender registry.
For offenses that occurred on or after July 1, 2007, allows qualifying offenders to make a
motion to the court for relief of the requirement to register.
Allows a 4 year age gap between the victim and the offender for exclusion of the registration
requirements for certain offenses that are consensual.
Victim must be at least 14 but no older than 17 years of age. Section 794.05, F.S.:
• Provides an age-gap provision that allows a 16 or 17 year old to consent to consensual conduct
with a person 16-23 years of age.
Similar Provisions:


So what you're saying is, this is a non-issue?
 
2013-05-19 11:31:14 AM

almandot: Why does this keep getting flubbed up back and forth? They first got together at 17 and "about three years younger"[from the article] and in February when the arrest happened were 18 and 15.


Because people llike you keep misinterpreting the facts. They started dating, then having sex, when the ages were 18 and 14. If they were 18 and 15 at the time, the "free Kate" facebook page would have specified that. That omission infers they were 18 and 14. So any "3 year exception" in the law is moot. They are trying to make this a case about gay rights instead of what it is, statutory rape. An 18 y/o making contact with a 14 y/o in a sexual manner is wrong and illegal.
 
2013-05-19 11:31:57 AM

DrewCurtisJr: thamike: That makes absolutely no sense.

You seem to be one the few who doesn't understand it.


Second that.

It's all about age of consent, even if you apply close age exemption, seeing that 16 is the lowest for 18, and the minor was 14 when the relationship started.

Teens will be teens, but there is no true outrage about this. Florida is not pressing charges against her because she's lesbian, but because she broke age of consent laws.

The minor's parents do sound like douchebags, but this girl still broke the law... and the mom doesnt help by publicly stating they were intimate in their facebook page.
 
2013-05-19 11:34:48 AM

sforce: MarkEC: Savage Belief: ou sound like the younger girl's parents. It's interesting that it only became a legal issue with the parents once she turned 18. I doubt they would have prosecuted had this been a boyfriend. But there's teh ghey to consider. Once again fundies are turning their kids against them.

Your whole premise that it only became an issue to the parents when the girl turned 18 is totally wrong. The younger girl's parents didn't find out from the coach until the older girl was 18 and their daughter was still likely 14. There is no evidence that the parents had any bias against homosexuality. That claim is only being used to rally the troops in defense of the older girl.

It's also wrong because it wasn't illegal until the girl turned 18. 17 and 14 is legal in Florida. Someone half wrote it above. Florida law is when the older person turns 18 the younger person has to be 16 or older. It doesn't change until the older person turns 24 at which point the younger person has to be 18 or older.


Just to be clear based on the older girl's mothers account, the relationship became a relationship AFTER she was 18.
 
2013-05-19 11:35:28 AM

DrewCurtisJr: thamike: That makes absolutely no sense.

You seem to be one the few who doesn't understand it.


Understand what?  That a defendant doesn't have a case once formal charges are filed?  It's a ridiculous notion.
 
2013-05-19 11:35:45 AM

Dinobot: DrewCurtisJr: thamike: That makes absolutely no sense.

You seem to be one the few who doesn't understand it.

Second that.

It's all about age of consent, even if you apply close age exemption, seeing that 16 is the lowest for 18, and the minor was 14 when the relationship started.

Teens will be teens, but there is no true outrage about this. Florida is not pressing charges against her because she's lesbian, but because she broke age of consent laws.

The minor's parents do sound like douchebags, but this girl still broke the law... and the mom doesnt help by publicly stating they were intimate in their facebook page.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-19 11:36:18 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: almandot: Why does this keep getting flubbed up back and forth? They first got together at 17 and "about three years younger"[from the article] and in February when the arrest happened were 18 and 15.

It doesn't matter when they started, what matters is .....


my point was just that the age numbers keep changing and going back and forth in all the posts I scrolled through in this thread.

thamike: almandot: Fark that.

Seriously, the fact that the school got involved with the courts about this is another bonus to the defense.  If there is anybody reasonable involved in this, charges will be dropped or expulsion is reversed, with the charges going to trial.  There is no way to win both.  The case has been poisoned by blithering plaintiffs and overcompensating school admins.


this happened in February(though I don't know when the actual expulsion took place) and it's May now. Really too late to do anything useful about the expulsion other than maybe sue the school board since they ignored something a judge ruled on twice in that decision. But I have no idea how that would play out.

On that note, the fact that all this happened in February and we're finding out in May makes me wonder what all has happened in between
 
2013-05-19 11:36:45 AM

sforce: PunGent: sforce: PunGent: Savage Belief: Mugato: thamike: Not necessarily.  If the close in age exemption covers 23 to 16, I'm sure there's a case for 18 to 15 which is a hell of a lot less sketchy than 23, especially since their relationship was ongoing.

The fact that you jumped to the strange conclusion of "see gays? now you know what it's like to be persecuted like us heteros" would be offensive if it wasn't so busy being retarded.

16 is the age of consent in Florida. And all I was saying was that them being lesbians isn't the issue, which is the conclusion everyone seems to be  coming to. Dick.

You sound like the younger girl's parents. It's interesting that it only became a legal issue with the parents once she turned 18.

Umm, if the characterization of Florida law is correct, it only became a legal issue AT ALL once she turned 18.  The parents may be dicks, but it sounds like the law is what it is.  There have definitely been straight guys prosecuted under statutes like this for corrupting daddy's little angel...who he met at a bar with a fake ID better than his real one.

CSB time: I had to testify in a case years ago. Guy was 24, girl had just turned 17. He got 12 years. (No decimal missing, TWELVE years)

Oof.  What's that, a half-million in incarceration costs?  Yeah, THAT'S a good use of tax dollars...

The accusations were originally rape rape but he wasn't found guilty of that, only of statutory. So my guess is the judge sentenced him with the knowledge that he likely did rape rape the girl, even if he was only found guilty of statutory. In talking to the state's attorney after I found out he was offered a 5 year sentence plea deal prior to trial.


Like, legitimate rape rape?
 
2013-05-19 11:37:42 AM

gimmegimme: So three-year-olds and fifteen-year-olds are exactly the same in your eyes.  FAAAAAASCINATING.  Did you teach your toddler to drive?


That didn't answer my question.  The law is on face value is simply designed to make it illegal for children to have sex but it obviously is not that simple.  There are many levels to it and you could be against a number of different aspects (age difference, age in general, age difference at start to just name a few) and I am honestly trying to find out which part you have an issue with.

But to answer your question, no I don't feel that a 3 year old and a 15 year old are exactly the same.  And not really sure how you inferred anything different from my post.
 
2013-05-19 11:38:30 AM

Dinobot: but this girl still broke the law.


You keep saying that, but it has yet to be determined by a judge.  The close in age covers a 23 year old with a 16 year old.  I believe that it could reasonably be posited in court that this discrepancy sets a precedent that covers a consensual 18-15 relationship.  Nothing is said and done here.  It's worth fighting.
 
2013-05-19 11:40:15 AM

almandot: Inquisitive Inquisitor: almandot: Why does this keep getting flubbed up back and forth? They first got together at 17 and "about three years younger"[from the article] and in February when the arrest happened were 18 and 15.

It doesn't matter when they started, what matters is .....

my point was just that the age numbers keep changing and going back and forth in all the posts I scrolled through in this thread.

thamike: almandot: Fark that.

Seriously, the fact that the school got involved with the courts about this is another bonus to the defense.  If there is anybody reasonable involved in this, charges will be dropped or expulsion is reversed, with the charges going to trial.  There is no way to win both.  The case has been poisoned by blithering plaintiffs and overcompensating school admins.

this happened in February(though I don't know when the actual expulsion took place) and it's May now. Really too late to do anything useful about the expulsion other than maybe sue the school board since they ignored something a judge ruled on twice in that decision. But I have no idea how that would play out.

On that note, the fact that all this happened in February and we're finding out in May makes me wonder what all has happened in between


www.outhistory.org
 
2013-05-19 11:40:22 AM

cybrwzrd: Why do we have these type of laws? Is it to protect the "kids" or the parents?


Actually it's because no one listened to Dick the Butcher.

Lawyers live on laws. Baby lawyers work in legal firms, realize "This work load blows nasty goat dick." and thus most jump ship and enter politics, becoming lawmakers. Lawyers like crazy laws with a million words and way too many loopholes, so they draft such laws.

If you elected plumbers, you'd get a lot of plumbing related building code type laws. If you elected teachers, you'd get improved educational laws. If you elected nasty goats, you'd see more lawyer worrying laws. But we don't elect any of these creatures, we elect lawyers. Thus our lawyer friendly Rube Goldberg legal system marches on.
 
2013-05-19 11:41:48 AM
From the Free kate page:

Thank you all for supporting my niece Kate Hunt. As much as we want your support, we also want to keep things accurate and free of exaggeration, even when it engenders sympathy. There has been quite a bit of accidental misinformation spreading around on this page and other sites. This post will hopefully clarify a few things.

First, to be clear, we are not arguing that Kate is being prosecuted by the State of Florida because of her sexual orientation. The law is the law, but the law is unjust. Many 18-year-old men have also been unjustly prosecuted for dating underage girls in their high schools. We are arguing that it is unfair to expect high school students in the same school not to fraternize. It certainly shouldn't be grounds for criminal prosecution.

Second, we do not want to argue that the age difference here is insignificant. The two girls were about 3 years and 7 months apart in age, and Kaitlyn turned 18 in August of last year. Kate, however, is a very small, young-looking senior in high school, and her girlfriend was much taller freshman, older in appearance, an IB student enrolled in courses with upper classmen, and played on the same Varsity basketball team as Kate. They were peers in the same social circle with the same friends. I'm not sure age ever entered into either of their minds. Kate was later kicked off the basketball team for fear that two girls dating each other would cause "drama."

Finally, we've seen many people claim that Kate was arrested the day she turned 18. This is not true. Kate wasn't arrested until February of this year.

That is the rough timeline. We want your support based on the facts involved, not on any false interpretation of those facts. We hope you will continue to help us fight to free Kate and to help us make the laws more just for high school students across America. It would be great if teenagers always thought about the law before they acted on their feelings, but we know this is unrealistic. These issues need to be dealt with between families, not in a court of law.
 
2013-05-19 11:42:09 AM

thamike: Dinobot: but this girl still broke the law.

You keep saying that, but it has yet to be determined by a judge.  The close in age covers a 23 year old with a 16 year old.  I believe that it could reasonably be posited in court that this discrepancy sets a precedent that covers a consensual 18-15 relationship.  Nothing is said and done here.  It's worth fighting.


Except the law states that 16 is the absolute limit. Your case might hold up IF there was nothing mentioning the absolute limit.
 
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