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2013-05-19 07:23:52 AM
Was it just me, or did they not show Clara seeing the 8th Doctor in flashback (I think she saw all the others)
 
2013-05-19 07:26:02 AM
"Souffle" is a great analogy for the show. It is very difficult to get right, and even when you do it's never as filling as it looks, because there are so many holes and so much hot air. Yet, when done properly, delicious and unique.
 
2013-05-19 07:27:28 AM
I actually really liked it.  At least it explained the whole "impossible girl" thing.
 
2013-05-19 07:29:46 AM

narkor: Was it just me, or did they not show Clara seeing the 8th Doctor in flashback (I think she saw all the others)


He's there but for the smallest of seconds. When he's running after the 2nd, right before that the 8th runs past in one direction then the 2nd runs past in the other and Clara follows the latter.

I thought the ep was alright, but the largest problem was it spent 45 mins building up to a 'Dont forget to watch the 50th in November'. Kinda sums up this year's run; - it would have been better as a full season and the eps stretched out to some 2-parters. Everything's great until the episodes realises it has 4 minutes left on the clock and it needs to run off before the credits come.

Looking forward to more Moffat / Smith Doctoring though.
 
2013-05-19 07:32:01 AM
As to the article's argument, it sounds like the old storytelling maxim that "the solution to one problem should be the cause of the next problem the characters have to resolve" - in this case solve one mystery, but in doing so learn about another - ad infinitum, ad absurdum.
 
2013-05-19 07:37:43 AM
but McGann is one of the only Doctors who could realistically return without looking too old for the role

I assume they've already forgotten about Tennant?  You know, the one JUST prior to Smith...  Or Eccleston.  Granted, I haven't seen the episode yet (we DVR it), but that seems a little off.
 
2013-05-19 07:50:20 AM

broadsword: narkor: Was it just me, or did they not show Clara seeing the 8th Doctor in flashback (I think she saw all the others)

He's there but for the smallest of seconds. When he's running after the 2nd, right before that the 8th runs past in one direction then the 2nd runs past in the other and Clara follows the latter.

I thought the ep was alright, but the largest problem was it spent 45 mins building up to a 'Dont forget to watch the 50th in November'. Kinda sums up this year's run; - it would have been better as a full season and the eps stretched out to some 2-parters. Everything's great until the episodes realises it has 4 minutes left on the clock and it needs to run off before the credits come.

Looking forward to more Moffat / Smith Doctoring though.


Moffat seems to think that most Who fans are too stupid to follow two-parters, hence his asinine "movie poster" concept.
 
2013-05-19 07:52:39 AM
If you think that was a letdown, wait till the 50th anniversary.
 
2013-05-19 08:00:54 AM
The issue with 2 parters is that most of them would be a one-parter if they were more tightly written. Many modern era Dr Who 2 parters would have been fine as single episodes, but felt dragged out.
 
2013-05-19 08:04:33 AM

CarnySaur: I actually really liked it.  At least it explained the whole "impossible girl" thing.


Yeah, I've heard more than once "ZOMG UR A HATUR Y U NO QUIT WAWATCHING11!" just for pointing out flaws, and I thoroughly enjoyed the episode.

If the rest of the season had been as good, there would have been no reason to complain. But, a short season and movie posters left things feeling... Off.
 
2013-05-19 08:05:30 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: broadsword: narkor: Was it just me, or did they not show Clara seeing the 8th Doctor in flashback (I think she saw all the others)

He's there but for the smallest of seconds. When he's running after the 2nd, right before that the 8th runs past in one direction then the 2nd runs past in the other and Clara follows the latter.

I thought the ep was alright, but the largest problem was it spent 45 mins building up to a 'Dont forget to watch the 50th in November'. Kinda sums up this year's run; - it would have been better as a full season and the eps stretched out to some 2-parters. Everything's great until the episodes realises it has 4 minutes left on the clock and it needs to run off before the credits come.

Looking forward to more Moffat / Smith Doctoring though.

Moffat seems to think that most Who fans are too stupid to follow two-parters, hence his asinine "movie poster" concept.


Moffat: OK we introduced the Mystery of whats Going on With Clara and we've written every episode but the Finale and the 50th Anniversary special... and we can't have it be in the anniversary special. I guess I should have teased it out in the prior episodes but what the hell, lets just throw it all into one episode. Better still lets throw it all into the last 10 minutes or so of the episode
 
2013-05-19 08:10:46 AM
Dr. who has become a clusterfark every season now.  The Doctor has morphed from a bohemian guy just trying to get away from responsibility and see the universe, to the saviour of the universe.

Every season now has an overall mystery arc, and it's long since become tiresome.

It always ends with the "OMG, the entire universe is going to implode/be erased, if the doctor/companion doesn't sacrifice themselves, or do something impossible."

The end with the whole "And now introducing John Hurt, as the Doctor" was so freakin' tacky.

Back in the "Good old days" you would always remember the good Dr. Who episodes because they were so well done, and fantastic stories, acting and sound design.  Now the production quality is top notch, but the stories are almost always throwaway.  There's no "Earthshock," or "Enlightenment," or "Robots of Death."  There were a few good episodes in the first few seasons, but I think NewWho suffers from the 45min. format.  Not much can be setup and paid off in that time period.  The old combined running time of Who at 1:30 min. made the episodes feel like movies, and were more fulfilling. 

The new episodes are here today, gone tomorrow.
 
2013-05-19 08:13:33 AM
I will laugh if his name is actually sweetie ;)
 
2013-05-19 08:22:06 AM

wookiemonster: Dr. who has become a clusterfark every season now.  The Doctor has morphed from a bohemian guy just trying to get away from responsibility and see the universe, to the saviour of the universe.

Every season now has an overall mystery arc, and it's long since become tiresome.

It always ends with the "OMG, the entire universe is going to implode/be erased, if the doctor/companion doesn't sacrifice themselves, or do something impossible."

The end with the whole "And now introducing John Hurt, as the Doctor" was so freakin' tacky.

Back in the "Good old days" you would always remember the good Dr. Who episodes because they were so well done, and fantastic stories, acting and sound design.  Now the production quality is top notch, but the stories are almost always throwaway.  There's no "Earthshock," or "Enlightenment," or "Robots of Death."  There were a few good episodes in the first few seasons, but I think NewWho suffers from the 45min. format.  Not much can be setup and paid off in that time period.  The old combined running time of Who at 1:30 min. made the episodes feel like movies, and were more fulfilling.

The new episodes are here today, gone tomorrow.


And the Introduction of John Hurt Could have developed something interesting if done right not "OH HEY, Here's this new thing..."

See my theory (and I predict the offical Moffatt answer will be dumber then my theory and less interesting) is that when a Gallifrean becomes a Time Lord they take on a role. By taking on the role of "The Dr" or "Rassilon" they are able to handle their regenerations and timey wimeyness without going bonkers.  But you can only be the doctor so many times. And they have a character who they could have sold as the Dr before the Dr was the Dr (Professor Chronitis).

Anyway.... So we have John Hurt's character. He regenerated Into the thick of the time war and he had the sense to realize that the Doctor Couldn't handle the time war. So he became something else. Time Lords shouldn't do this sort of thing but he did.

So how many Regenerations does the Doctor have? 13... But so does the Valeyard, and so does some of the other alternate versions of the Doctor. Making the BEING who is the doctor some one who could live forever but develop into something else.

We could also have the Doctor Reveal that TECHNICALLY prior regenerations weren't "The Doctor" but humans and other races all knew him by that name so he never made the effort to correct them

They could have teased out this concept over the whole season. And the Episode on Space Amusement Planet they could have done some stuff to tease out the reveal of the Doctor who ended the time war by rejecting who he was. They could have teased him out several places in the storyline this season.

They also could have had a much more interesting answer of why Clara was the impossible girl (and fan boards came up with much more interesting answers). The flashback seems to imply she quantum leaped into the background of the Doctor's life which was lame.

OR they could have saved that answer to next season and teased it out even longer
 
2013-05-19 08:22:56 AM

bborchar: I will laugh if his name is actually sweetie ;)


::SPOILERS::

They Don't say his name, total cocktease
 
2013-05-19 08:24:17 AM
The whole season's been a complete bust. Such a shame as Matt's first run was pretty bloody good. Clara's cute, but as a colleague once said; "She's always one thigh-slap away from panto"
 
2013-05-19 08:24:35 AM
I don't care for Moffat's sense that Doctor Who doesn't just belong to him now, but that the whole span of the show does as well.

Spoilers Ahead, Folks:

At one Finale, The Doctor, all his incarnations, and the universe he inhabits are all from Amy's 'crack in the wall' amplified imagination.  In fact, until he later started peppering in viewscreen flashes of the previous doctors, one could have argued that with the reset none of The Doctor's adventures ever happened.
River, who keeps meeting the Doctor out of order, who with the 'you're so young' comment to Tennant seems to imply that she knows him through several incarnations and a good span of his lives instead becomes Amy's Daughter, and knows the doctor primarily through his Matt Smith incarnation.  again, it is all about Moffat's characters without respect of regard for anything else, and a wasted opportunity.
And Now All the Doctor's journeys were really about Moffat's Doctor's companion, everything all the way back to the first Doctor taking the Tardis, is really about Moffat's characters.

It just feels a bit presumptuous to me.
 
2013-05-19 08:30:06 AM

Okoboji: but McGann is one of the only Doctors who could realistically return without looking too old for the role

I assume they've already forgotten about Tennant?  You know, the one JUST prior to Smith...  Or Eccleston.  Granted, I haven't seen the episode yet (we DVR it), but that seems a little off.


No, they didn't.  To say more would be spoilers but Tennant fans might like the 50th.

Eccleson has already stated he wants nothing further to do with the show.    He feels the BBC backstabbed him by only giving him one season.
 
2013-05-19 08:35:07 AM

narkor: The issue with 2 parters is that most of them would be a one-parter if they were more tightly written. Many modern era Dr Who 2 parters would have been fine as single episodes, but felt dragged out.


The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably the best two parter of the series.
 
2013-05-19 08:43:18 AM
I haven't seen the last two episodes yet, but I have to say that this season has been pretty disappointing. The first Clara episode, where her mind was trapped in the body of a Dalek, was so very good. However it's all been pretty mediocre from there.

Frankly, I would have rather seen them stick to that original premise and let the Doctor have a ClaraDalek companion.
 
2013-05-19 08:44:38 AM

mokinokaro: Okoboji: but McGann is one of the only Doctors who could realistically return without looking too old for the role

I assume they've already forgotten about Tennant?  You know, the one JUST prior to Smith...  Or Eccleston.  Granted, I haven't seen the episode yet (we DVR it), but that seems a little off.

No, they didn't.  To say more would be spoilers but Tennant fans might like the 50th.

Eccleson has already stated he wants nothing further to do with the show.    He feels the BBC backstabbed him by only giving him one season.


Wtf? Eccleston only WANTED one season from what I've heard.
 
2013-05-19 08:55:51 AM

dopekitty74: Wtf? Eccleston only WANTED one season from what I've heard.


He only signed up for one season because he wasn't sure if the show would take off and had the possibility of other projects in the wings already.   His anger stems from the fact that, halfway through the first season when it was apparent the show was a success, the BBC didn't let him sign on for the next series because Davies had already arranged for his buddy Tennant to take the role.
 
2013-05-19 08:57:10 AM

mokinokaro: He feels the BBC backstabbed him by only giving him one season.


No, he said he couldn't stand working with RTD and company:

"I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I left because of politics. I did not see eye-to-eye with them. I didn't agree with the way things were being run. I didn't like the culture that had grown up around the series. So I left, I felt, over a principle."

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2013-05-19 08:59:42 AM

mokinokaro: He only signed up for one season because he wasn't sure if the show would take off and had the possibility of other projects in the wings already.   His anger stems from the fact that, halfway through the first season when it was apparent the show was a success, the BBC didn't let him sign on for the next series because Davies had already arranged for his buddy Tennant to take the role.


Again, no:
"I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility, the price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of shiat. "
 
2013-05-19 09:14:06 AM
It seemed pretty obvious to me that his name is "Sweetie".

That and the "The Name of The Doctor" should be interpreted as the reputation of The Doctor, or his credo to make people better.
 
2013-05-19 09:17:52 AM

Carth: narkor: The issue with 2 parters is that most of them would be a one-parter if they were more tightly written. Many modern era Dr Who 2 parters would have been fine as single episodes, but felt dragged out.

The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably the best two parter of the series.


Human Nature and The Family of Blood disagree.
 
2013-05-19 09:21:07 AM

wookiemonster: Dr. who has become a clusterfark every season now.  The Doctor has morphed from a bohemian guy just trying to get away from responsibility and see the universe, to the saviour of the universe.

Every season now has an overall mystery arc, and it's long since become tiresome.

It always ends with the "OMG, the entire universe is going to implode/be erased, if the doctor/companion doesn't sacrifice themselves, or do something impossible."

The end with the whole "And now introducing John Hurt, as the Doctor" was so freakin' tacky.

Back in the "Good old days" you would always remember the good Dr. Who episodes because they were so well done, and fantastic stories, acting and sound design.  Now the production quality is top notch, but the stories are almost always throwaway.  There's no "Earthshock," or "Enlightenment," or "Robots of Death."  There were a few good episodes in the first few seasons, but I think NewWho suffers from the 45min. format.  Not much can be setup and paid off in that time period.  The old combined running time of Who at 1:30 min. made the episodes feel like movies, and were more fulfilling. 

The new episodes are here today, gone tomorrow.


I'm surprised there isn't a lot of fanboi butthurt over the above (yet).

I feel pretty much the same way. The 'NuWho' has never really felt like the Old Who. It's not nostalgia that makes me say this -- since with today's production values they could make a series that kicked the old series' ass in every way (if they wanted to). The NuWho is like a cargo cult. It tries to use the same premise, characters, and so on without much feel for how they worked before.

Tennant's Doctor is a great case in point. How the Doctor turned into a megalomaniac and a 'god' is, frankly, beyond me. Moffat's run hasn't been much better. Though I give him credit for getting rid of the hysteria introduced by RTD, the stories are all pretty much worthless. How am I supposed to be convinced that character X is really, truly in peril when Character X can't help making oh-so-ironic little quips the whole time being chased, attacked, etc.?

The problems are too numerous to mention. I personally think this NuWho will seem dated far more quickly that the old stuff. 20 or 30 years from now I can see people still watching some of the best episodes of classic Who, but finding the new stuff unwatchable.
 
2013-05-19 09:28:15 AM

heinrich66: Tennant's Doctor is a great case in point. How the Doctor turned into a megalomaniac and a 'god' is, frankly, beyond me. Moffat's run hasn't been much better. Though I give him credit for getting rid of the hysteria introduced by RTD, the stories are all pretty much worthless. How am I supposed to be convinced that character X is really, truly in peril when Character X can't help making oh-so-ironic little quips the whole time being chased, attacked, etc.?

The problems are too numerous to mention. I personally think this NuWho will seem dated far more quickly that the old stuff. 20 or 30 years from now I can see people still watching some of the best episodes of classic Who, but finding the new stuff unwatchable.


Yes, but so many of the strictly NuWho fans view the classic episodes as tripe, dismissing them without watching them.  This is Who Lite, and Amy Pond is a perfect example of what is wrong with the show.  She was cast as the cute little companion, but she never took anything seriously.  It was as if Moffat wrote her to be his winkwink to the audience: "We all know that if bad stuff happens, we'll be fine in the end, so let's have little sarcastic comments."  NuWho is saccharine and cheap, especially since Moffat took over.  It is a lot like Sherlock: pretty to look at, but for Chrissakes, don't think about it, or you'll smack your forehead repeatedly.  Oh, and the one-liners!  At least a dozen of them per script!

Knock Davies all you want, but I think he had a better sense of the bombast of the Classic Who.  There was a sense of high adventure in Davies's run, and yeah, it misfired sometime, but there was at least an element of fun here and there.  Moffat is too busy trying to come up with a clever idea that he has lost that sense of adventure.  It's just the Doctor here and there, confronting yet another great evil that will destroy the universe unless he makes a sacrifice.  Again.  Another knock against Moffat is that he drives his creations into the ground: the Weeping Angels, River Song, Amy Pond, Dorium, Strax, and so on, were great one-offs, but by God, we'll see them shoved in our faces again and again, written and overwritten until the characters not only annoy, but now fail to make sense.

\In all fairness, the "Doctor as God" storyline is not an original concept--it was what they were planning on doing with McCoy.
 
2013-05-19 09:31:10 AM
Whine away, the show is more popular now rhan it has ever been. Continue to pretend that the "old" version was flawless.
 
2013-05-19 10:04:22 AM
Gee, a show gets more popular when it's broadcast in more than the small island nation it comes from. Truly the standard by which one determines the quality of writing.

And you can continue to rebut arguments nobody is making. It's the only way you'll be correct.
 
2013-05-19 10:07:17 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Carth: narkor: The issue with 2 parters is that most of them would be a one-parter if they were more tightly written. Many modern era Dr Who 2 parters would have been fine as single episodes, but felt dragged out.

The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably the best two parter of the series.

Human Nature and The Family of Blood disagree.


Both great episodes made slightly less great by Maratha's constant pining over the Doctor.
 
2013-05-19 10:08:45 AM
This was all much more fun when he was a silly space man in a bow tie getting into adventures.

One must remember to never bite off more than they can chew...
 
2013-05-19 10:20:14 AM
Some random thoughts:

Clara went into the futures Doctors scar tissue meaning that not only would she have seen all the past 10 Doctors but any future incarnations. So depending how the series goes we could be seeing her on and off for a very long time and since she's essentially been reborn countless times age won't really matter.

As for Clara not recognizing John Hurt as The Doctor, is it because he apparently didn't act like The Doctor so she couldn't tell?

Oh while I'm thinking about it why didn't Madame Vastra seem to be affected by the GI screwing up the Doctors time line?
 
2013-05-19 10:23:31 AM
I thought the episode was awesome.

Sure, you can parse all the details and find plot holes or continuity contradictions, but at the end of the day, it's cracking fun sci-fi entertainment that occasionally weaves in some great character moments, big ideas, and just enough mystery to get fans speculating about the secrets.

This episode acknowledges that the mystery is bigger than the secret itself - the speculation over the Doctor's name is more fun than any combination of syllables could ever be - so, as it has been in the past few seasons, Who's universe's relationship to the Doctor is a reflection of the fans' relationship to the show. That Moffat (and Davies, to a lesser degree) hasn't done this in a pandering, fan-service way is pretty brilliant.

Im really stoked about the 50th anniversary special, and look forward to where the show goes in the future. Still, after a half century, it has a ton of potential.
 
2013-05-19 10:24:14 AM

dennysgod: Some random thoughts:

Clara went into the futures Doctors scar tissue meaning that not only would she have seen all the past 10 Doctors but any future incarnations. So depending how the series goes we could be seeing her on and off for a very long time and since she's essentially been reborn countless times age won't really matter.

As for Clara not recognizing John Hurt as The Doctor, is it because he apparently didn't act like The Doctor so she couldn't tell?

Oh while I'm thinking about it why didn't Madame Vastra seem to be affected by the GI screwing up the Doctors time line?


However, if the Doctor saves her, would she still be scattered along his timeline, or would that disappear?
 
2013-05-19 10:28:17 AM

Wolfman Johnny: It seemed pretty obvious to me that his name is "Sweetie".


It isn't.  "Sweetie" is the running joke between River and the Doctor.  She always says "Hello Sweetie" when she first meets an incarnation of the Doctor, (1) to test if he remembers her, and (2) as a nostalgic dig at their relationship which can never be fully revealed without giving away Spoilers.

It is of significant note that this time she didn't say "Hello Sweetie".

When she first meets Tennant in the Library, he doesn't appear to recognize her.  To prove that he should trust her, she whispers something in his ear.  We later find out that she whispered his True Name to him, which is impossible as there is only one way he would ever reveal that to another person... 

"Silence in the Library" / "Forest of the Dead"

That and the "The Name of The Doctor" should be interpreted as the reputation of The Doctor, or his credo to make people better.

 Good Point.
 
2013-05-19 10:35:52 AM
Yeah, I know. Joe? Really? You had 7 years, and you came up with Joe?
 
2013-05-19 10:38:49 AM
According to Who fans, unless it's Captain Jack, Sally Sparrow, the 10th Doctor or Rory, everyone that has worked on Doctor Who since the reboot has been the worst thing to happen to Doctor Who ever.
 
2013-05-19 10:40:48 AM
I'm glad they didn't reveal his name. There's no way that information can make the show better. The people who actually want to know his name need to lighten the hell up. And worrying about plot holes? It's a show about time travel, by its very nature it has to have plot holes. The only option ever, when enjoying fiction that involves time travel, is to just turn off your brain and enjoy the ride.
 
2013-05-19 10:44:35 AM
Instead of doing new Doctor Who shows, they should have just ended the series long ago.  That's the only way that the old school could be satisfied.  They're going to hate on anything new because . . . well, old stuff is always better, right?
 
2013-05-19 10:44:56 AM
I like doctor who but I have been having a hard time getting into it. I'll record an entire season before I watch it. But I am finding the combination messianic/Peter pan complex kind of tiring.

Part of me wants the doctor to meet or travel with someone much much older and wiser than he is and confront his character flaws.
 
2013-05-19 10:46:37 AM
"Huge letdown"? Wtf? I thought it was fantastic. Shiat, it was so good that after I watched it I was watching old Doctor Who episodes until 4am last night.

This is why us nerds can't have nice things. Because when we get them half of us take a giant shiat on them and walk out of the room in a huff like an asshole.
 
2013-05-19 10:49:50 AM
Anyone who thought that episode was a letdown should have their head examined.
 
2013-05-19 11:01:48 AM

dennysgod: Some random thoughts:

Clara went into the futures Doctors scar tissue meaning that not only would she have seen all the past 10 Doctors but any future incarnations. So depending how the series goes we could be seeing her on and off for a very long time and since she's essentially been reborn countless times age won't really matter.


Speculation:  The Great Intelligence only had a limited amount of time before it was destroyed to muck about in the Doctor's timestream.  So it probably tried to do the most damage to his past incarnations - assuming that the Doctor himself would eventually be destroyed by the sabotage.
All Clara had to do was allow the splinters of herself to show up at the same points in history that the GI tried to break and make enough of a difference to fix the damage.  So she may not have had to follow any alternate incarnations because they were not affected by the GI.

As for Clara not recognizing John Hurt as The Doctor, is it because he apparently didn't act like The Doctor so she couldn't tell?

He would still be part of the timestream though,  so:
(A)  His tenure as the Doctor was so brief it didn't show as more than a blip in the overall timestream, so Clara didn't notice him.  (which doesn't really make sense)

(B)  Same as A, but the GI couldn't find any point to do more damage than the Doctor was already doing to himself.

(C) The Doctors other incarnations (or just 9) were able to seal off that part of his timestream from interference...   Which has interesting implications as Clara was able to travel to Gallifrey in the very distant past, but did not seem to travel to the period in which the Time War took place.
Double Speculation:  The Time Lock which separated the Time War from the rest of the universe, and the great secret surrounding that incarnation are linked.

Oh while I'm thinking about it why didn't Madame Vastra seem to be affected by the GI screwing up the Doctors time line?

Even more Speculation:  Vastra was born millions of years in Earths Past (IIRC), and it is implied that she traveled with the Doctor for a time before ending up in 1800s London.  People like that seem to have a certain amount of immunity to changes in temporal continuity.
 
2013-05-19 11:03:16 AM

mongbiohazard: "Huge letdown"? Wtf? I thought it was fantastic. Shiat, it was so good that after I watched it I was watching old Doctor Who episodes until 4am last night.

This is why us nerds can't have nice things. Because when we get them half of us take a giant shiat on them and walk out of the room in a huff like an asshole.


Yeah.  There's kind of a dickish, hipster dynamic that seeps into nerdom sometimes, and people are almost afraid of admitting they like something that others also like.  They also strive to be "above it all" intellectually and pretend their opinions are outside of the reach of your normal nerd.

Me?  I loved this episode.  Yes.  I'd have loved a boatload more details, and it would have been great if it was a two or three hour finale, but, you know, that's just me being greedy.  The only thing I hated about the episode was Moffat's desire to slap in an unnecessary movie-poster ending with "John Hurt as: The Doctor."
 
2013-05-19 11:03:31 AM

mongbiohazard: "Huge letdown"? Wtf? I thought it was fantastic. Shiat, it was so good that after I watched it I was watching old Doctor Who episodes until 4am last night.

This is why us nerds can't have nice things. Because when we get them half of us take a giant shiat on them and walk out of the room in a huff like an asshole.


We'll, except for when reboots and writing are good, like with Dredd.
 
2013-05-19 11:09:45 AM
So... in reflection...  what did the prisoner murdering guy at the beginning have to do with the story at all aside from the set it in motion?  How did he get his information?
 
2013-05-19 11:15:23 AM

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: Instead of doing new Doctor Who shows, they should have just ended the series long ago.  That's the only way that the old school could be satisfied.  They're going to hate on anything new because . . . well, old stuff is always better, right?


I started on PBS under Tom Baker, then went thru most of the Pertwee episodes before doing Tom Baker again, and finally started tuning out around the Sylvester McCoy broadcasts.

I have thoroughly enjoyed NuWho and have enjoyed every episode of this season.
 
2013-05-19 11:22:06 AM

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: Instead of doing new Doctor Who shows, they should have just ended the series long ago.  That's the only way that the old school could be satisfied.  They're going to hate on anything new because . . . well, old stuff is always better, right?


As a member of the "old school," I think I've enjoyed most of the nuWho better than most, and probably up until/halfway through Moffat's second season.  At that point, he started recycling ideas and characters, and Amy Pond became aggravating.  I think Matt Smith is probably one of the best Doctors, and I think that he is really underserved by the scripts he's been given.  I think a large number of Classic Who fans greatly enjoy most of nuWho, but are somewhat alarmed by the recent decline in writing ... it is all SFX and timey wimey stuff.
 
2013-05-19 11:24:23 AM
Great Christmas episode and great season finale, poor execution of the overall story arc in between. I think they had a good idea here but couldn't work out how to write it into the season without giving everything away
 
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