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(CTV News)   School discontinues Mother's Day and Father's Day because some kids might have two moms or two dads   (ctvnews.ca) divider line 184
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2013-05-18 09:32:33 PM  
"opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.
 
2013-05-18 09:37:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.


One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?
 
2013-05-18 09:52:46 PM  
Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.
 
2013-05-18 10:13:45 PM  
For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

And if they are orphans, "International Day of families" isn't just going to remind them that they don't have parents, but that they also lack any traditional familial structure at all.
 
2013-05-18 10:15:16 PM  
WHAAAATT!

fta A Nova Scotia school is (...) to recognize the International Day of Families instead.

Oh. Well, that's groovy, baby, yeah!
 
2013-05-18 10:31:37 PM  
How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?
 
2013-05-18 11:44:41 PM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


Second.
 
2013-05-19 01:22:07 AM  
The hell. Do they go to school on Sunday?
 
2013-05-19 01:57:32 AM  
Why do we make such a big deal out of this kind of nonsense?

Mothersday and Fathersday are stupid. They get people overly emotional for absolutely no reason at all.
 
2013-05-19 03:29:26 AM  
I don't like change!
 
2013-05-19 03:37:05 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.


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2013-05-19 03:37:47 AM  
Some kids might be Cylons too, so there's that.
 
2013-05-19 03:38:16 AM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


Right you are comrade, there should be only one day of rest (the day when our Great Leader was born). We must work every day for the success of our glorious mother/fatherland...
 
2013-05-19 03:40:29 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.


This.  Or, some kids may have one or two abusive parents that they do not appreciate being reminded of.  The only holidays I choose to celebrate are Independence Day and New Year's.
 
2013-05-19 03:43:29 AM  

HotWingAgenda: The only holidays I choose to celebrate are Independence Day and New Year's.


I choose to celebrate Independence Day of countries people have never heard of.

/because I make them up
//excuse to drink, you say?
///yes
 
2013-05-19 03:43:48 AM  
Gah...yes. Get rid of it all.  If you raise your kids right, you'll know you're appreciated.

Get rid of both the silly holidays.  As a single dad, I'm way to busy to pretend to care about burnt toast and runny eggs.

/Okay, I appreciate it, but I'd rather get an extra hour of sleep or drinking the night before.
 
2013-05-19 03:43:55 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

This.  Or, some kids may have one or two abusive parents that they do not appreciate being reminded of.  The only holidays I choose to celebrate are Independence Day and New Year's.


Two holidays is too much for me.  I celebrate my birthday, and the rest can get farked.
 
2013-05-19 03:44:35 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

This.  Or, some kids may have one or two abusive parents that they do not appreciate being reminded of.  The only holidays I choose to celebrate are Independence Day and New Year's.


What about the kids whose loved ones died on the Fourth of July or New Year's? Isn't that insensitive to them?
 
2013-05-19 03:45:52 AM  
What about Human Day?....not inclusive enough?   Living organism day?  Periodic elements day?

/ Next thing you know we'll be canceling Festivus
 
2013-05-19 03:46:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.


Just like the headline, some kids have more than one family.
Nothing solved by this.
 
2013-05-19 03:46:36 AM  
Why do we celebrate these "parents" anyway. Thanks for crapping me out into your overpopulated, polluted craphole of a planet. Thanks at least for being white. That was a good head-start on life here. -son
 
2013-05-19 03:47:41 AM  
This just gives unnecessary ammunition to Christianists. And it's stupid anyways.
 
2013-05-19 03:50:28 AM  
The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.
 
2013-05-19 03:52:28 AM  
And what about kids whose families like to travel in the Autumn?  How DARE the school boards force "summer vacation" on them!!!
 
2013-05-19 03:53:17 AM  
Wait a minute.
Mothers Day/Fathers Day weren't acknowledged at the schools I went to.  They just weren't.  What school acknowledges these anyway?
 
2013-05-19 03:54:14 AM  
farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.
 
2013-05-19 03:57:25 AM  
And Fathers Day is like June 50th.  Typical schools aren't even in session.
Am I being trolled?
 
2013-05-19 04:00:44 AM  

poorcku: This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?

Right you are comrade, there should be only one day of rest (the day when our Great Leader was born). We must work every day for the success of our glorious mother/fatherland...


It was the Great Leader's mother who did all the work on that day. The rest of you GBTW.
 
2013-05-19 04:03:07 AM  
"No Mr. Garrison, we can't get rid of all the Mexicans."
 
2013-05-19 04:07:35 AM  

poorcku: This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?

Right you are comrade, there should be only one day of rest (the day when our Great Leader was born). We must work every day for the success of our glorious mother/fatherland...


Funny, you call that a "commie" thing. Too bad it's pretty much exactly what the oh so worshipped "Job Creator" republicans have turned working in America into.
 
2013-05-19 04:07:57 AM  
The important thing is that nobody's feelings were hurt.
 
2013-05-19 04:13:54 AM  
How the hell could this make kids in "non-traditional" families feel left out? Two moms, two dads, two sets of cheesy Hallmark cards and cheesy gifts, BFD.
 
2013-05-19 04:16:16 AM  
My kids just usually draw me a picture or write me a note or something like that on Father's day and do similar things for my wife. I generally try to make sure I give my Mom a call because if I don't, she'll pull some guilt trip nonsense the next time I talk to her about not calling her on Mother's day.
 
2013-05-19 04:29:32 AM  
Funny how those demanding equality expect exclusivity.
 
2013-05-19 04:30:45 AM  
As a father, I'm ok with this. Dealing with Mother's Day with two toddlers was a huge pain in the ass.

That said, the best Father's Day gift I could imagine would be letting me sleep in, then take off for most of the day so I can work on my own projects for a while. I'll go back to being a mediocre, involved and generally irresponsible parent the next 364 days.
 
2013-05-19 04:40:09 AM  

cman: Why do we make such a big deal out of this kind of nonsense?

Mothersday and Fathersday are stupid. They get people overly emotional for absolutely no reason at all.


YOURE NOT MY REAL DAD!
 
2013-05-19 04:45:49 AM  
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Won't someone please think of the children raised by wolves or aliens?
 
2013-05-19 05:27:42 AM  
Of course, this is as much about single parent families as same-sex couple families (1.5M of the former vs. 64,500 of the latter). But ignoring the single parents makes for a better headline.

Also, it was a decision by the school, according to TFA. No gays requested this.
 
2013-05-19 05:36:40 AM  
Of course, every human being alive has had one mother, and one father. Just sayin'. Why not acknowledge them, even if they're dead or gone?
 
2013-05-19 05:39:07 AM  

AGremlin: What about Human Day?....not inclusive enough?   Living organism day?  Periodic elements day?

/ Next thing you know we'll be canceling Festivus


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2013-05-19 05:58:21 AM  
Okay, biologically speaking, all kids have to have one male parent and one female parent.  Saying that a kid who is raised by two lesbian mothers is going to feel left out on Father's Day celebrations is completely ignoring that the kid has a father out there.  Same if it's a kid raised by two gay dads, it's ignoring that there is a mother out there who gave birth to that kid.  How about instead of saying "Well, maybe we should cancel our Mother's Day celebration because a very minority of the population of the school may be raised by two gay fathers.", how about the school continue on and let the child decide if they want to honor their birth mother or completely ignore the holiday completely, or to write a letter to their mother calling her a drunken high school slut who couldn't keep her legs together?
 
2013-05-19 06:29:41 AM  
Since when do they celebrate those Hallmark holidays in school anyways? Who farking cares?

If it was a real holiday, the kids would have the day off. Otherwise STFU and get back to doing line divisions, practicing cursive writing and other obsolete skills. Might as well teach them now to pound nails with their fists while they are at it.
 
2013-05-19 06:35:35 AM  

Great Janitor: how about the school continue on and let the child decide if they want to honor their birth mother or completely ignore the holiday completely, or to write a letter to their mother calling her a drunken high school slut who couldn't keep her legs together?


I vote for that one.
 
2013-05-19 06:42:04 AM  
I want a Sentient Carbon-Based Life Form Day.
 
2013-05-19 06:49:50 AM  
 Have a happy pod day.
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2013-05-19 06:52:33 AM  

Nabb1: BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.

One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?


Well, I'm not too fond of my parents for various reasons I'd only discuss with a seasoned psychologist. Lets just say I could have used a private education instead of going from over educated from TI toys to what passes for public education.
 
2013-05-19 06:57:16 AM  

Nabb1: BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.

One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?


I'm nice to my mom all the time.

Both holidays are stupid.
 
2013-05-19 07:04:28 AM  

jtown: farking ridiculous. ...  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.


IMO that makes this move way overdue. It's not that we're so afraid of hurting little Johnny's or Suzy's feelings, it's just, why hurt people when you don't have to? Many kids might be going through a seriously difficult time with family upheaval ongoing. Getting these kids (not a tiny minority) to focus on the people who DO support them and how (regardless of bio relation), has got to be a good.

OTOH, this being the decade of gay rights and all, we must blame the breakdown of the nuclear family 40 years ago on today's gays, and everything PC must be there to protect the gay agenda. What else could it be? When I was a kid, all divorces were caused by selfish working moms emasculating their men with female paychecks, causing relationships to crumble, and all unwed births were due to the government stepping in and forcing ghetto families apart bodily with anti-male welfare policies. So now the narrative is that all divorces are precipitated by Dad coming out of the closet and all unwed births are lesbians pursuing artificial insemination. Such wickedness! Oh, how will traditional families survive? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2013-05-19 07:05:13 AM  
Who cares?
 
2013-05-19 07:22:33 AM  
Maybe instead of Mother's Day and Father's Day, they could recognize Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day. Honor all parents, instead of just yours, and maybe the students can learn something about apostrophes while they're at it.

Mother's Day CSB: I talked to my mom yesterday, and she told me she got a Mother's Day card from the other three members of my brother's longtime band. This August will be five years since my brother killed himself, and it brings my mom to tears when his friends still think of her, even if it's just a card.
 
2013-05-19 07:26:05 AM  
for farks sake libs, come the fark on.  I assume it's libs anyways, this is the kind of PC footprint they leave behind
 
2013-05-19 07:26:10 AM  
Well, you start by re-defining, or clarifying the terms.

Family = ??? (This gets VERY messy)
Father = ??? (presently the male element of baby-making (sperm), at lowest denominator)
Mother = ??? (presently the female element of baby-making(egg). at lowest denominator)
Parents = ??? (presently those responsible for children in a family unit)
Child = ??? (can get messy too, but let's go with those under 18)
Adult = ??? (can get messy too, but let's go with those over 18)

EVERYONE has a mother and a father. Even those raised from a petri-dish were created by combining sperm and an egg. But then Cloning comes in...

Now, what do we consider a family? One adult or two, or more? One child minimum? Obviously the mother and father need not be in the family. However, a Parent or Parents do.
Then, are you no longer in a family when that criteria is not met? Can you disown your family?
Then, can you be a member of more than one family, or does your family just become bigger with additions?
Then, there are the various levels of family. Immediate Family, Extended Family, Next of Kin, etc.
How many Families can a person belong to?
Finally, you have the legal crap involved. What role marriage plays in a family etc.

BAH. Let them keep Mother's Day and Father's Day and let the parents do the lifting, like they should.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:01 AM  
I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.
 
2013-05-19 08:09:31 AM  
Here in Atlanta, Father's day is the most confusing time of year in the public school system. Makes sense to eliminate it.
 
2013-05-19 08:11:43 AM  

wilbret: Here in Atlanta, Father's day is the most confusing time of year in the public school system. Makes sense to eliminate it.


When we lived in Atlanta and was in school, Father's Day fell during summer vacation.
 
2013-05-19 08:12:20 AM  

Nabb1: wilbret: Here in Atlanta, Father's day is the most confusing time of year in the public school system. Makes sense to eliminate it.

When we lived in Atlanta and was in school, Father's Day fell during summer vacation.


When "I"
 
2013-05-19 08:21:25 AM  
Headline sounds like some kind of "Oh no!  This school is against families wharrgarbl" that would come out of Fox News.  Having an International Family Day instead is totally fine.  Like the article and others have stated, what if the child is father/motherless due to death of the parent?  Not being able to participate in Father's nor Mother's Day in school probably added to making Bruce Wayne a little batty.  Wait, that's a good thing, right?
 
2013-05-19 08:24:34 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Maybe instead of Mother's Day and Father's Day, they could recognize Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day. Honor all parents, instead of just yours, and maybe the students can learn something about apostrophes while they're at it.

Mother's Day CSB: I talked to my mom yesterday, and she told me she got a Mother's Day card from the other three members of my brother's longtime band. This August will be five years since my brother killed himself, and it brings my mom to tears when his friends still think of her, even if it's just a card.


That's really awesome of them and I hope you let them know what it means to her. I know I always feel really awkward reaching out to someone, because I don't want to cause them pain.
 
2013-05-19 08:32:05 AM  
I always thought dads got the shaft because schools just don't stay in session long enough to ever celebrate father's day.

Mother's always get the coolest things from their elementary school-aged brood, but father's get the shaft.

If but for no other reason, putting the days together would solve that as well :)
 
2013-05-19 08:35:06 AM  
A Nova Scotia school is causing controversy after deciding to stop celebrating Mother's Day and Father's Day, instead opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead.
The Dartmouth elementary school said it is aiming to celebrate diversity and inclusivity while avoiding making children who are part of non-traditional families feel left out.
"Children can be isolated in a classroom if they've lost their mom or are in a family without a dad or in a family with two moms or two dads," Education Minister Ramona Jennex recently told CTV Atlantic, adding that it's up to the individual schools to decide how to celebrate mothers and fathers.

Astral Drive Elementary School in Dartmouth, N.S. has decided to stop celebrating Mother's Day and Father's Day, instead recognizing the International Day of Families.
As part of the family day celebrations, which took place May 15, students at Astral Drive Elementary School were asked to write the names of all the people who supported them in their lives, on a large tree hung in the gymnasium.
Some parents have applauded the move to not celebrate Mother's and Father's Day as a sign of a more inclusive environment, while others have said the school is taking political correctness too far.


For those that will inevitably miss the point- this is school being talked about, not any personal arbitrary assignment of some meaning to a date on a calendar that you want to do at home. Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.
 
2013-05-19 08:41:28 AM  

golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.


You mean, the real problem is that some people give a shiat about the emotional well-being of others.

/Even the person who invented Mother's Day ended up hating it.
 
2013-05-19 08:44:26 AM  

golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.


THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
 
2013-05-19 08:44:27 AM  

poorcku: This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?

Right you are comrade, there should be only one day of rest (the day when our Great Leader was born). We must work every day for the success of our glorious mother/fatherland...


Right you are fellow peon. There should be no days of rest as dictated by our corporate overlords, appointed by their inherited wealth. Every day and every hour is like any other, with no additional rate of pay or extra compensation, and we should be grateful that our benevolent corporate overseers allow us the privilege of toiling for them at all.
 
2013-05-19 08:46:20 AM  
it's a self-correcting issue like the roe effect

nothing to see, move along
 
2013-05-19 08:54:24 AM  

Cuchulane: Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.


Because every single day in elementary school must be a holiday, or celebration, or themed in some way.
Heaven forbid we get through a week without a pile of colored paper shapes.
 
2013-05-19 08:56:18 AM  
and why don't we celebrate St Crispians Day anymore?
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-05-19 08:58:59 AM  

LoneWolf343: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

You mean, the real problem is that some people give a shiat about the emotional well-being of others.

/Even the person who invented Mother's Day ended up hating it.


My mother's father passed away when she was five. She was never particularly bothered by Father's Day. I agree that we need to be aware and sensitive to kids whose family situations are different, but this may be a wee bit overblown. That said, what the school is doing isn't worthy of getting outraged about, either.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:11 AM  
The 13 years quote is awkward because it's melodramatic; she makes it sound like her son has been actively trying to attend a graduation ceremony for the past thirteen years.

The real embarrassing quote is this one "We've been to school with them since we were in diapers," senior Alissa Lawson said.

Most children have been potty trained for 2-3 years before kindergarten, poopy pants Alissa.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:45 AM  
with all of this gender neutral bullshiat taking place, when do we just go ahead and declare war on any language with grammatical gender and any dance form that involves a lead and a follower?  tell you what, if you're in a situation with two parents of the same sex, then i'm sure they can figure out what day they want where and call it whatever the fark they want.  this type of changing everything is pretty farking doubleplus ungood.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:58 AM  
Meanwhile in Shelbyville, the school sends kids to detention for not having a mother on Mothers' Day or a father on Fathers' Day.
 
2013-05-19 09:01:32 AM  

Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.


I figured it would only be a problem for those that lost parents.  Especially to suicide.

jake3988: I always thought dads got the shaft because schools just don't stay in session long enough to ever celebrate father's day.

Mother's always get the coolest things from their elementary school-aged brood, but father's get the shaft.

If but for no other reason, putting the days together would solve that as well :)


Since our church does a Mother's Day dinner and a Father's Day breakfast, this would turn into an all day feast if we combined them.  We would have to add in Cousin's Brunch, Aunt & Uncle's afternoon snack and Grandparents evening meal.  At home a little brother & sister's midnight snack.
 
2013-05-19 09:10:30 AM  

lack of warmth: Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.

I figured it would only be a problem for those that lost parents.  Especially to suicide.

jake3988: I always thought dads got the shaft because schools just don't stay in session long enough to ever celebrate father's day.

Mother's always get the coolest things from their elementary school-aged brood, but father's get the shaft.

If but for no other reason, putting the days together would solve that as well :)

Since our church does a Mother's Day dinner and a Father's Day breakfast, this would turn into an all day feast if we combined them.  We would have to add in Cousin's Brunch, Aunt & Uncle's afternoon snack and Grandparents evening meal.  At home a little brother & sister's midnight snack.


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/see no problems with that whatsoever.
 
2013-05-19 09:17:07 AM  
Why would schools need to celebrate, or even acknowledge, either holiday? They both fall on a Sunday, and they're not even official holidays, just marketing tools for greet card companies.
 
2013-05-19 09:19:03 AM  
We need a 'environment' day,  not mothers or fathers day.

Kids don't need parents.   They are raised by the community as a whole.
 
2013-05-19 09:20:26 AM  

netcentric: We need a 'environment' day,  not mothers or fathers day.

Kids don't need parents.   They are raised by the community as a whole.


How did this hippie freak learn to use a computer much less get on Fark?

/i keed
 
2013-05-19 09:26:22 AM  
subby, how do you "discontinue Mother's Day and Father's Day"?

aren't those days on Sunday?

when they get discontinued doesn't that screw up the calendar?
 
2013-05-19 09:36:40 AM  

PsyLord: Having an International Family Day instead is totally fine.


That is a horrible idea.

There are kids who don't have families and that would offend them and hurt their feelings.

Don't you care about them?  That sounds very exclusionary.

We should get rid of all holidays and celebrations since someone is going to be left out.
 
2013-05-19 09:39:56 AM  
there's a lot of jaded colorless people who think it's a big deal to take a day to appreciate the people who raised your sorry asses.
 
2013-05-19 09:43:21 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.


If a day out of a year disrupts your routine
You have issues that are far beyond one day of disruption
Besides, since these days have been there for a long time now, wouldn't they be part of your routine and therefore the elimination of one, be a disruption?
 
2013-05-19 09:47:04 AM  
I demand that everyone else stop celebrating their birthdays because it makes me feel sad that it's not my birthday.
 
2013-05-19 09:48:16 AM  
Lesson to be learned: don't ever do anythin that might offend anybody.

/impossible in Canada
 
2013-05-19 09:49:15 AM  
My girlfriend was highly upset at me for not wishing her a happy Mother's Day. I asked her why I'd do that since her kids aren't my kids and she's not my mother. Wow, that was a huge fight.

I hate these manufactured excuses to get me to spend money.
 
2013-05-19 09:49:55 AM  

Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE


and you proved your bigotry as well...

/I love full circles
 
2013-05-19 09:55:25 AM  
Life Day, anyone?

/Has a VHS of the Star Wars Holiday Special
 
2013-05-19 10:09:21 AM  
How about Bitter, Self-Important Asshole Day? Seems to fit a lot of people in this thread.
 
2013-05-19 10:16:34 AM  
Who the hell celebrates Mother's Day and Father's Day in school anyway?  They're on Sunday.  The stupid tag is for anyone upset by this.
 
2013-05-19 10:18:08 AM  
I thought we resolved this last week ?
Remember Parent 1 and Parent 2 ?
/anyone?
 
2013-05-19 10:25:18 AM  

Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE


So you're saying if one person is offended or gets triggered by a made up holiday we should just cancel the whole thing? How do people like you ever have fun? Do you actively seek out how you're being victimized? Are you constantly on the lookout for others exhibiting behaviors that need "correction?"
 
2013-05-19 10:26:31 AM  
Derp

If they were so caring they would have eliminated it years ago in consideration of the poor orpahns
 
2013-05-19 10:27:01 AM  
both of these are corporate bullshiat holidays in the first place so defending them, no matter on what rational grounds you stand, winds up being an exercise in autofellatio

\took my mom antique shopping and to a MLB game this past weekend, which I enjoyed.  but the whole notion of one special day of the year is insanely superstitious and would be a hit in the middle ages...
 
2013-05-19 10:28:38 AM  
nova scotia is gay, just like des moines iowa. i got it. will add to the list of places not to go.
 
2013-05-19 10:31:12 AM  

ramblinwreck: Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

So you're saying if one person is offended or gets triggered by a made up holiday we should just cancel the whole thing? How do people like you ever have fun? Do you actively seek out how you're being victimized? Are you constantly on the lookout for others exhibiting behaviors that need "correction?"


It's pretty simple:

Useful people devote their time and energy into solving real problems

Useless people devote their time and energy into whining about their feelings
 
2013-05-19 10:34:42 AM  

wilbret: Here in Atlanta, Father's day is the most confusing time of year in the public school system. Makes sense to eliminate it.


No, makes sense to eliminate the reason why it's so damn confusing.

Find a woman (or man, whatever), marry the right one THE FIRST TIME, and stick around to raise junior. Do those things and it becomes much harder to fark up your (and the kid's) life.
 
2013-05-19 10:36:30 AM  

WhippingBoy: It's pretty simple:

Useful people devote their time and energy into solving real problems


...

so find jobs for the useless people.

oh wait, can't do that... too busy trying to reorganize the nation to fix the dreams of father, that poor, oppressed african kenyan muslim slave. that poor slave. black man. tears. wahh.
 
2013-05-19 10:39:52 AM  
I like it. Not everyone is being raised by both or either family. Hell, depending on the neighbourhood, many of the kids might not be in a two-parent household.

My aunt worked at a school in Spryfield across the harbour. Whenever there was a school event, they had to have a couple of police there along with a list of who had restraining orders out on who so they would only let the right people in. This would never happen in other schools.

Celebrating the family the kid actually lives with instead of the genetic donors seems sensible to me.
 
2013-05-19 10:42:46 AM  

tuna fingers: Wait a minute.
Mothers Day/Fathers Day weren't acknowledged at the schools I went to.  They just weren't.  What school acknowledges these anyway?


I think we did some kind of Mother's Day drawing or craft in Kindergarten but that was it. It was probably more an excuse to keep our little hands busy on a Friday than an actual holiday thing.
 
2013-05-19 10:49:25 AM  

Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.


For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?
 
2013-05-19 10:56:22 AM  

Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?


You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.
 
2013-05-19 10:59:10 AM  

Nabb1: wilbret: Here in Atlanta, Father's day is the most confusing time of year in the public school system. Makes sense to eliminate it.

When we lived in Atlanta and was in school, Father's Day fell during summer vacation.


So it was around as much as the fathers were I see.

"Yeah, I'll meet you in June, son. This time for reals."
 
2013-05-19 10:59:12 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.


Mothers' day used to be tough for me, what with my mom being dead.

But you know what's worse than a bit of unwanted sympathy from coworkers and the occasional reminder that my mom is dead? My mom being dead.

The holiday doesn't bother me anymore.

I can see the PC argument for a "parents' day" or something, and we'll probably end up going that way, the same way we did with Presidents' Day. Doesn't bother me nearly as much as... well, you know.
 
2013-05-19 10:59:34 AM  

WhippingBoy: You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.


smart + 1.
 
2013-05-19 11:06:25 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?

You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.


No, just pointles and frivolous, you drama queen.
 
2013-05-19 11:11:01 AM  
"We have become a nation of whiny, entitled pricks."

"Yeah, it's great, isn't it?"

"Why do you say that?"

"You how much MONEY there is in catering to, kissing up to and nursing the perpetual butthurt of these spoiled wankers?"
 
2013-05-19 11:11:27 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?

You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.


I'm glad we have such efficient Farkers keeping an eye on every penny of government expenditure, which I'm sure they apply to every branch. The banker from Mary Poppins would be proud.
 
2013-05-19 11:12:13 AM  

Dansker: WhippingBoy: Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?

You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.

No, just pointles and frivolous, you drama queen.


As opposed to the non-descript, paper-mache blob?

Merry Christmas!
 
2013-05-19 11:12:36 AM  
how about we get rid of sex discrimination in the Olympics, too.  All sports, actually.  Let's get the bland lowest common denominator bandwagon rolling!  Diversity is weakness.
 
2013-05-19 11:12:39 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?

Second.


Indeed.
 
2013-05-19 11:15:07 AM  

BlippityBleep: how about we get rid of sex discrimination in the Olympics, too.  All sports, actually.  Let's get the bland lowest common denominator bandwagon rolling!  Diversity is weakness.


If we can prevent one useless person from being offended, it's totally worth it.
 
2013-05-19 11:19:38 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dansker: WhippingBoy: Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?

You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.

No, just pointles and frivolous, you drama queen.

As opposed to the non-descript, paper-mache blob?


No, that would be pointless too. And I still don't see why schools should be involved in the celebration in the first place.
 
2013-05-19 11:20:44 AM  

Dansker: WhippingBoy: Dansker: WhippingBoy: Dansker: Lsherm: For fark's sake, unless they are orphans one of the days is going to apply to them.

For fark's sake, why are schools wasting their time and resources celebrating Mother's and Father's Days in the first place?

You mean like asking kids to make a Mother/Father's day card in art block instead of making a paper-mache blob? I'm amazed that this abuse of resources and time has been allowed to continue. It truly is an abomination of the most significant proportions.

No, just pointles and frivolous, you drama queen.

As opposed to the non-descript, paper-mache blob?

No, that would be pointless too. And I still don't see why schools should be involved in the celebration in the first place.


So? Who the hell cares what you think?
 
2013-05-19 11:21:30 AM  
What if you don't have a family?
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2013-05-19 11:24:18 AM  

Fano:
I'm glad we have such efficient Farkers keeping an eye on every penny of government expenditure, which I'm sure they apply to every branch. The banker from Mary Poppins would be proud.


Why are you guys defending Mother's Day in schools with such fervor? I thought traditions had to be at least a hundred years old, before conservatives would acknowledge them
 
2013-05-19 11:24:26 AM  

EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...
 
2013-05-19 11:24:47 AM  
Why not just add holidays for the sperm donor, egg donor, and turkey baster recipient?

What teachers union is going to stand in the way of additional paid holidays?
 
2013-05-19 11:24:55 AM  
What about people who don't have a mother?  Mother's Day can suck for a kid whose mother took off.  But let's keep criticizing gay couples who want to give a child love and support.
 
2013-05-19 11:26:09 AM  

WhippingBoy:
So? Who the hell cares what you think?


You, clearly.
 
2013-05-19 11:26:38 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.


What....he went to school on Sundays?
 
2013-05-19 11:31:20 AM  

jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.


I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.
 
2013-05-19 11:34:29 AM  

95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.


Well, that's why you should be careful not to believe that your personal experience is the statistical average.

www.afajournal.org
 
2013-05-19 11:36:05 AM  
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-05-19 11:37:51 AM  

E5bie: Cuchulane: Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.

Because every single day in elementary school must be a holiday, or celebration, or themed in some way.
Heaven forbid we get through a week without a pile of colored paper shapes.


I used to be in a stepfamily support group, and there is an amazing amount of angst around MD and FD. There's your step-parent who feels slighted because they got no school-made present from the kids they'd been raising while the kid's deadbeat non-custodial parent got a present. There's your butthurt biomom who's offended that her kid made 2 presents, one for her and one for the kid's stepmom.
 
2013-05-19 11:40:44 AM  
Oops, phone posted before I was done. Anyway, the drama stirred up often ended in tears for the children who are stuck in the middle between adults who act like children.
 
2013-05-19 11:48:14 AM  
My Dad wasn't around when I grew up, and I have zero memory of what I did for Father's Day at school. I am sure we, as a class, did something, because I have memories of making crap for Mother's Day for my Mom. I guess my point is, it obviously had little to no impact on me that I am not even able to remember it.
  I don't see why 1)They have to end that tradition in the first place 2)Are blaming ending that tradition on kids with same-sex parents, when there are plenty of kids with only one parent to begin with.
 
2013-05-19 11:48:22 AM  

Eponymous: Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

What....he went to school on Sundays?


No, but when he was in elementary school it was quite common for the teachers, especially in the lower grades, to have art projects where the kids made cards for their mothers or fathers, depending on which upcoming holiday it was. The kids were expected to take home the cards they made and give them to their mother on Mother's Day, father on Father's Day.
 
2013-05-19 11:51:01 AM  

WhippingBoy: EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...


95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.


your friends dads were probably beating their wives into submission.  IMHO I'd take infidelity/ divorces /single parenting over that any day of the week.
 
2013-05-19 11:53:25 AM  

gimmegimme: 95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.

Well, that's why you should be careful not to believe that your personal experience is the statistical average.


Damn. I feel sorry for the kids over in Divorceville then.
 
2013-05-19 11:55:48 AM  

Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.


Dansker: Fano:
I'm glad we have such efficient Farkers keeping an eye on every penny of government expenditure, which I'm sure they apply to every branch. The banker from Mary Poppins would be proud.

Why are you guys defending Mother's Day in schools with such fervor? I thought traditions had to be at least a hundred years old, before conservatives would acknowledge them


I went back and rechecked the thread, and this was as much fervor as I could find. The only other pro parent's day posts were along the lines of "suck it, gaybobs," and don't count. Anyway, conservatives acknowledge plenty of traditions less than a hundred years old, like saying "Under God," during the pledge of allegiance.
 
2013-05-19 11:55:52 AM  

soozbot: I don't see why 1)They have to end that tradition in the first place 2)Are blaming ending that tradition on kids with same-sex parents, when there are plenty of kids with only one parent to begin with.


I don't see why you assume "non-traditional family" can only mean "same-sex parents" and not a single mother or father.
 
2013-05-19 11:57:02 AM  

golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.


Traditions never last forever, no matter how much you want them to, just like everything else. They never stay the same either, something always changes every so often and soon the original tradition is long gone. And yes, having two parents is rather abnormal these days.

What's funniest is how you believe one school being stupid = everyone attacking a tradition that was created only to sell flowers and ties.
 
2013-05-19 11:57:28 AM  
Leon will be happy.
 
2013-05-19 11:58:36 AM  

Dansker: soozbot: I don't see why 1)They have to end that tradition in the first place 2)Are blaming ending that tradition on kids with same-sex parents, when there are plenty of kids with only one parent to begin with.

I don't see why you assume "non-traditional family" can only mean "same-sex parents" and not a single mother or father.


Because I am basing this off of subby's headline. Didn't read TFA because at the end of the day, I could care less about made-up holidays.
 
2013-05-19 11:58:53 AM  

chocolate covered poop: WhippingBoy: EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...

95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.

your friends dads were probably beating their wives into submission.  IMHO I'd take infidelity/ divorces /single parenting over that any day of the week.


Why do you only assume the men were committing acts of domestic violence?
 
2013-05-19 12:00:23 PM  
Didn't read TFA*

Dansker: soozbot: I don't see why 1)They have to end that tradition in the first place 2)Are blaming ending that tradition on kids with same-sex parents, when there are plenty of kids with only one parent to begin with.

I don't see why you assume "non-traditional family" can only mean "same-sex parents" and not a single mother or father.


*Didn't READ TFA... It's 11AM, but still very early for my tired brain.
 
2013-05-19 12:02:07 PM  
Why stop there? They should immediately expel any kid who dares to talk about their mother and father because some kid from a broken home might get their feelings hurt.
 
2013-05-19 12:05:10 PM  

Fano:
I went back and rechecked the thread, and this was as much fervor as I could find.


Then maybe you know how I felt when trying to figure out how I became a spokesman for Farkers, and why I would make the banker from Mary Poppins proud. I'm just asking why minor commercial holidays like that are subject to school celebration in North America, because in Denmark they're not.
I'm sorry I asked such a difficult question.
 
2013-05-19 12:09:18 PM  

Dansker: Fano:
I went back and rechecked the thread, and this was as much fervor as I could find.

Then maybe you know how I felt when trying to figure out how I became a spokesman for Farkers, and why I would make the banker from Mary Poppins proud. I'm just asking why minor commercial holidays like that are subject to school celebration in North America, because in Denmark they're not.
I'm sorry I asked such a difficult question.


Because the celebration you're referring to essentially boils down to having the kids spend half an hour to make a card. Basically adding a theme to an art project that was going to be done anyway. Do you think schools close down for Mother/Fathers day and everyone has a big parade or something?
 
2013-05-19 12:11:12 PM  

WhippingBoy: Why stop there? They should immediately expel any kid who dares to talk about their mother and father because some kid from a broken home might get their feelings hurt.


Now that's fervor!
 
2013-05-19 12:11:22 PM  

WhippingBoy: Why stop there? They should immediately expel any kid who dares to talk about their mother and father because some kid from a broken home might get their feelings hurt.


First you whine about something, then you demand we add to it. Make up your mind.
 
2013-05-19 12:13:44 PM  

WhippingBoy: Dansker: Fano:
I went back and rechecked the thread, and this was as much fervor as I could find.

Then maybe you know how I felt when trying to figure out how I became a spokesman for Farkers, and why I would make the banker from Mary Poppins proud. I'm just asking why minor commercial holidays like that are subject to school celebration in North America, because in Denmark they're not.
I'm sorry I asked such a difficult question.

Because the celebration you're referring to essentially boils down to having the kids spend half an hour to make a card. Basically adding a theme to an art project that was going to be done anyway. Do you think schools close down for Mother/Fathers day and everyone has a big parade or something?


No, and since it's so insignificant, why are you so upset that a small school in Canada has stopped it?
 
2013-05-19 12:20:03 PM  

Dansker: WhippingBoy: Dansker: Fano:
I went back and rechecked the thread, and this was as much fervor as I could find.

Then maybe you know how I felt when trying to figure out how I became a spokesman for Farkers, and why I would make the banker from Mary Poppins proud. I'm just asking why minor commercial holidays like that are subject to school celebration in North America, because in Denmark they're not.
I'm sorry I asked such a difficult question.

Because the celebration you're referring to essentially boils down to having the kids spend half an hour to make a card. Basically adding a theme to an art project that was going to be done anyway. Do you think schools close down for Mother/Fathers day and everyone has a big parade or something?

No, and since it's so insignificant, why are you so upset that a small school in Canada has stopped it?


Uh, I was responding to an overwhelming tide of people right from the Boobies "good. fark holidays. kids shouldn't be wasting their time and money."

It sure sounded like "tuppence for bread? Bah, what will that get you? FAT BIRDS!."
 
2013-05-19 12:20:39 PM  
If you have a single mother as your only parent how about celebrating Welfare day instead of Father's Day.
 
2013-05-19 12:20:51 PM  

WhippingBoy: Do you think schools close down for Mother/Fathers day and everyone has a big parade or something?


On second thought, schools ARE closed on Mother's and Father's Day, even in Denmark.
 
2013-05-19 12:21:22 PM  

armoredbulldozer: As if snowflakes don't get their heads farked up enough by our government, president etc.  The next kid that shoots up a school will probably be the demonchild of a couple of homos.


"Dey see me trollin', dey hatin'."
 
2013-05-19 12:28:55 PM  

Fano:
It sure sounded like "tuppence for bread? Bah, what will that get you? FAT BIRDS!."


They're called glandular challenged women, you insensitive clod!
 
2013-05-19 12:31:51 PM  

gimmegimme: chocolate covered poop: WhippingBoy: EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...

95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.

your friends dads were probably beating their wives into submission.  IMHO I'd take infidelity/ divorces /single parenting over that any day of the week.

Why do you only assume the men were committing acts of domestic violence?


Really wasn't the implication I was going for.  My point was that its possible to have what appears to be a traditional happy family by society's standards that is actually farked up behind the scenes.

  And while, yes, there is such a thing as the wife being the abuser, it is rare, and there is data out there that can back it up.  Just look at police reports on domestic abuse cases and tally the sexes of the aggressors.  I'll grant you that men might be less inclined to admit the situation to the police, but still...come on.  Men and women are genetically different, its hard scientific fact.  And with that come some behavioral and physical tendencies that are in large part biased towards one sex or the other.  "sexism" is a physical reality.  I'm not saying I agree with or support gender specific roles, just that from an evolutionary biology perspective, there are undeniable and sometimes unsettling differences between the sexes.  and our cognitive capacity makes us aware of these things and I admit that maybe its a moral dilemma better suited for philosophy than biology...
 
2013-05-19 12:32:48 PM  

Dansker: Fano:
It sure sounded like "tuppence for bread? Bah, what will that get you? FAT BIRDS!."

They're called glandular challenged women, you insensitive clod!


lol
 
2013-05-19 12:33:23 PM  
Does this mean we can stop celebrating sweetest day and valentines day cause it's oppressive and sexist to send out rape literature and food in exchange for affection?
 
2013-05-19 12:34:55 PM  
My dad died when my mum was pregnant with me, so on Father's Day when we made cards I would just give mine to the janitor. I don't think he was a dad, but it always seemed to make him happy.
 
2013-05-19 12:39:30 PM  
It is imperative that we coddle, protect, insulate and endlessly cater to children all the way up until they come of that magical age where we can boot them to the curb, pat them on the head and say "everything we told you is bullsh*t, the world is a vile sh*thole and rotsa ruck, you're gonna need it."  It's the American way.
 
2013-05-19 12:44:11 PM  

bunner: It is imperative that we coddle, protect, insulate and endlessly cater to children...


It's imperative that children are taught how to make greeting cards, is what I learned from this thread.
 
2013-05-19 12:44:55 PM  

chocolate covered poop: gimmegimme: chocolate covered poop: WhippingBoy: EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...

95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.

your friends dads were probably beating their wives into submission.  IMHO I'd take infidelity/ divorces /single parenting over that any day of the week.

Why do you only assume the men were committing acts of domestic violence?

Really wasn't the implication I was going for.  My point was that its possible to have what appears to be a traditional happy family by society's standards that is actually farked up behind the scenes.

  And while, yes, there is such a thing as the wife being the abuser, it is rare, and there is data out there that can back it up.  Just look at police reports on domestic abuse cases and tally the sexes of the aggressors.  I'll grant you that men might be less inclined to admit the situation to the police, but still...come on.  Men and women are genetically different, its hard scientific fact.  And with that come some ...


I'm sorry, chocolate covered poop, but this is simply misandry.  You seem to make grand generalizations about men that would be unacceptable if made about women.  Domestic violence against men is far commoner than you know; it's not your fault.  We just don't talk about men in the same way we do women in our society. http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

We need to think about the rhetorical choices we make.  It's unpleasant to assume Dr. Jones is a man, just as it's unfair to use a male example as an example of most domestic violence.
 
2013-05-19 12:46:28 PM  

Nabb1: BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.

One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?


It was for the creator of mother's day who tried to get the day abandoned when it turned into another day designed to sell as much crap as possible by stores. Of course they all turned into that nowadays.
 
2013-05-19 12:54:16 PM  

netcentric: We need a 'environment' day,  not mothers or fathers day.

Kids don't need parents.   They are raised by the community as a whole.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbor_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day
 
2013-05-19 12:57:42 PM  

diaphoresis: Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

and you proved your bigotry as well...

/I love full circles


Yeah, well, you're a triple-bigot for pointing out how he's the bigot for pointing out the bigotry in in the first bigot.

/You're also a moron..
 
2013-05-19 12:59:42 PM  
Oh man lol.  This one thread explains teh crazy behind so many asshole TFers, it is priceless :)  Now I see why there are so many "Daddy Pants" types around here.  Sheesh.
 
2013-05-19 01:05:45 PM  

kimmygibblershomework: Oh man lol.  This one thread explains teh crazy behind so many asshole TFers, it is priceless :)  Now I see why there are so many "Daddy Pants" types around here.  Sheesh.


You forgot the people making broad pronouncements and referencing sloppy comedy movies.
 
2013-05-19 01:07:25 PM  

Dansker: bunner: It is imperative that we coddle, protect, insulate and endlessly cater to children...

It's imperative that children are taught how to make greeting cards, is what I learned from this thread.


That fridge isn't going to artfully cover itself.
 
2013-05-19 01:13:53 PM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-19 01:15:19 PM  
As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.
 
2013-05-19 01:29:32 PM  

Dragonblink: As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.


But but but traditional families but but jesus but but but...but

but..

buh....
 
2013-05-19 01:32:29 PM  
gimmegimme:

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here.  I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated.  Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1.  Racism is bad
2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive.  To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing.  Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist.  I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.
 
2013-05-19 01:34:06 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

..

A we know that there should be no painful times for anyone growing up as it better prepares them for the real world in which nobody will have things that son will not as an adult.

I myself remember the kid down the street going to vaction with his granparnts twice a year and I could not because all my grandparents had passed away when i was very young.   To this day the very term grandparent  causes me much pain and I have to take personal day or two from work to recover.
It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belng to the state and parents merely exist as money source to support the children..

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would  reject it over private or home schooling.
 
2013-05-19 01:39:04 PM  

chocolate covered poop: gimmegimme:

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here.  I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated.  Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1.  Racism is bad
2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive.  To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing.  Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist.  I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.


Okay, we are indeed on pretty much the same page.  I'm just pointing out that domestic violence against men IS ignored.  We have a term for "deadbeat dad," but no similar term for similar women.  We quite rightly get mad at Chris Brown for beating up his girlfriend, but we ignore similar situations that happen to men and we ignore the statistics that prove it happens far more than we think.

Here's the other problem: if we acknowledge the inherent biological tendencies that you point out, it can cause a problem for feminists who feel these tendencies should be ignored with respect to employment and so on.
 
2013-05-19 01:56:16 PM  

Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.


It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am! Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!
 
2013-05-19 02:03:16 PM  

hasty ambush:
It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belong to the state...


Celebrating something called a Day of Families promotes the idea that children belong to the state?
Mother's Day and Father's Day are fine opportunuties for families to stress the importance of good parentship. But why should they be part of elementary school culture? If that was the intention with the traditions, wouldn't the days have been placed during the schoolweek?

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would  reject it over private or home schooling.

If removing Mother's Day from school is social engineering, couldn't the same be said about introducing it in schools in the first place? Do you really need government run institutions telling your children how to feel about their parents?
 
2013-05-19 02:04:49 PM  
FTFComments section: <i>If everyone was gay there would be no celebrations at all. There would be no human beings. This is an infringement on my rights as a dad and grandfather. These people who drum up these stupid ideas must be teachers.</i>

/no words
//slashies, though!
 
2013-05-19 02:14:49 PM  

Fano: Anyway, conservatives acknowledge plenty of traditions less than a hundred years old, like saying "Under God," during the pledge of allegiance.


I think I've worked it out now: You're right, it doesn't have to more than a hundred, it just has to be older than the conservative in question.
 
2013-05-19 02:31:51 PM  
What about Heather has a mom and a dog?
 
2013-05-19 02:43:50 PM  

joeshlabotnik: I demand that everyone else stop celebrating their birthdays because it makes me feel sad that it's not my birthday.


Well, if you are over the age of like 21 and still celebrate birthdays, you might just want to go ahead and join adulthood with the rest of us.
 
2013-05-19 02:46:46 PM  

mikewadestr: What about Heather has a mom and a dog?


You forgot the feelings of the peanut butter jar you intolerant thug.
 
2013-05-19 02:59:22 PM  

tuna fingers: Wait a minute.
Mothers Day/Fathers Day weren't acknowledged at the schools I went to.  They just weren't.  What school acknowledges these anyway?


Good point. I don't remember much happening on Mother's and Father's when I was a little one. Who the fark cares?

But also, more seriously, International Family Day would be a horrible experience for someone with no parents or family. WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2013-05-19 02:59:58 PM  

mikewadestr: What about Heather has a mom and a dog?


You say that like it's not a family. This, after Rex slaved in the mines for years, just so you could go waste your time in college and learn how to disrespect your parental canine. You ingrate!
 
2013-05-19 03:00:43 PM  

Dansker: Fano: Anyway, conservatives acknowledge plenty of traditions less than a hundred years old, like saying "Under God," during the pledge of allegiance.

I think I've worked it out now: You're right, it doesn't have to more than a hundred, it just has to be older than the conservative in question.


www.hwdyk.com
Once invoked, the sacred tradition of Claw-Plach can not be taken back. It is a recent tradition, only 18-years-old, but it is a tradition none the less.


neongoats: joeshlabotnik: I demand that everyone else stop celebrating their birthdays because it makes me feel sad that it's not my birthday.

Well, if you are over the age of like 21 and still celebrate birthdays, you might just want to go ahead and join adulthood with the rest of us.


4.bp.blogspot.com

As long as you still get your cake, you can be any age. Different strokes for different folks.
 
2013-05-19 03:04:50 PM  

johnny_stingray: and why don't we celebrate St Crispians Day anymore?
[blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 620x388]


It was only ever celebrated by a few.
 
2013-05-19 03:12:55 PM  

Jument: But also, more seriously, International Family Day would be a horrible experience for someone with no parents or family. WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!


www.3dprintingconfidential.com
Don't worry.  We will be your family.  We are the ones who love you.  Only us.  You have family.
 
2013-05-19 03:14:44 PM  
Nevermind that, really.

What about kids who are missing parents? Why the hell are we putting them through that shiat every year? Where I grew up, I was one of maybe 3 kids in my grade level who lived with both parents, who were happily married (and to each other!). I always thought all the mother's day and father's day stuff we did at school was really poorly thought out, given that every time there'd be at least one crying child.
 
2013-05-19 03:42:00 PM  

chocolate covered poop: But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution


There is less than 0.1% of genetic variation between all humans. "Race" is a bit of a misnomer; "breed" is probably better. Race itself is merely the Narcissism of Small Differences.
 
2013-05-19 05:16:36 PM  
My Three Dads. If ever an older, mostly forgotten, television series needed a modern reboot it's that one.
 
2013-05-19 05:54:09 PM  

ParagonComplex: My Three Dads. If ever an older, mostly forgotten, television series needed a modern reboot it's that one.


Do you mean My Two Dads or My Three Sons?
I don't think there was such a thing as "My Three Dads".
 
2013-05-19 08:39:29 PM  

Ranger Rover: Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.

It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am!  Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!



TFA was about the internal decision of a Nova Scotia elementary school, but hey, you're on a roll.www.google.com
 
2013-05-19 08:42:20 PM  

Soymilk: E5bie: Cuchulane: Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.

Because every single day in elementary school must be a holiday, or celebration, or themed in some way.
Heaven forbid we get through a week without a pile of colored paper shapes.

I used to be in a stepfamily support group, and there is an amazing amount of angst around MD and FD. There's your step-parent who feels slighted because they got no school-made present from the kids they'd been raising while the kid's deadbeat non-custodial parent got a present. There's your butthurt biomom who's offended that her kid made 2 presents, one for her and one for the kid's stepmom.


... And this is why humans suck.
 
2013-05-20 02:33:39 AM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


Mother's Day was a genuine attempt at a holiday. It was hi-jacked by commercial interests. Father's Day was then added later in order to further capitalize. I elect to ignore both. Rather than pick a day to be nice to my parents, I try to be nice year-round.
 
2013-05-20 08:31:00 AM  
National Carpet Muncher day?
 
2013-05-20 08:53:59 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

 
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