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2013-05-19 12:44:55 PM  

chocolate covered poop: gimmegimme: chocolate covered poop: WhippingBoy: EkimProx: What if you don't have a family?
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No need for that type of language...

95BV5: jtown: farking ridiculous.  My parents got divorced around the time I started school and I lived with my mom.  Not once did I end up talking to a therapist because of Father's Day.  I don't think a single one of my friends has ever met my dad.  Oh, wait.  A few might have met him at high school graduation.  Non-nucular families weren't exotic in the 70s and 80s and the sure as Hell aren't unusual now.  Heck, when I was a kid, a family with mom dad and 2.3 happy kids were the exception.

I was a kid in the seventies and none of my friends' parents were divorced. If any of my other classmates' parents were, they never talked about it.

your friends dads were probably beating their wives into submission.  IMHO I'd take infidelity/ divorces /single parenting over that any day of the week.

Why do you only assume the men were committing acts of domestic violence?

Really wasn't the implication I was going for.  My point was that its possible to have what appears to be a traditional happy family by society's standards that is actually farked up behind the scenes.

  And while, yes, there is such a thing as the wife being the abuser, it is rare, and there is data out there that can back it up.  Just look at police reports on domestic abuse cases and tally the sexes of the aggressors.  I'll grant you that men might be less inclined to admit the situation to the police, but still...come on.  Men and women are genetically different, its hard scientific fact.  And with that come some ...


I'm sorry, chocolate covered poop, but this is simply misandry.  You seem to make grand generalizations about men that would be unacceptable if made about women.  Domestic violence against men is far commoner than you know; it's not your fault.  We just don't talk about men in the same way we do women in our society. http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-vic t ims-of-partner-abuse/

We need to think about the rhetorical choices we make.  It's unpleasant to assume Dr. Jones is a man, just as it's unfair to use a male example as an example of most domestic violence.
 
2013-05-19 12:46:28 PM  

Nabb1: BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this.  One less disruption of my routine per year.

One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?


It was for the creator of mother's day who tried to get the day abandoned when it turned into another day designed to sell as much crap as possible by stores. Of course they all turned into that nowadays.
 
2013-05-19 12:54:16 PM  

netcentric: We need a 'environment' day,  not mothers or fathers day.

Kids don't need parents.   They are raised by the community as a whole.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbor_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day
 
2013-05-19 12:57:42 PM  

diaphoresis: Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group.  Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation.  Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

and you proved your bigotry as well...

/I love full circles


Yeah, well, you're a triple-bigot for pointing out how he's the bigot for pointing out the bigotry in in the first bigot.

/You're also a moron..
 
2013-05-19 12:59:42 PM  
Oh man lol.  This one thread explains teh crazy behind so many asshole TFers, it is priceless :)  Now I see why there are so many "Daddy Pants" types around here.  Sheesh.
 
2013-05-19 01:05:45 PM  

kimmygibblershomework: Oh man lol.  This one thread explains teh crazy behind so many asshole TFers, it is priceless :)  Now I see why there are so many "Daddy Pants" types around here.  Sheesh.


You forgot the people making broad pronouncements and referencing sloppy comedy movies.
 
2013-05-19 01:07:25 PM  

Dansker: bunner: It is imperative that we coddle, protect, insulate and endlessly cater to children...

It's imperative that children are taught how to make greeting cards, is what I learned from this thread.


That fridge isn't going to artfully cover itself.
 
2013-05-19 01:13:53 PM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


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2013-05-19 01:15:19 PM  
As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.
 
2013-05-19 01:29:32 PM  

Dragonblink: As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.


But but but traditional families but but jesus but but but...but

but..

buh....
 
2013-05-19 01:32:29 PM  
gimmegimme:

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here.  I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated.  Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1.  Racism is bad
2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive.  To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing.  Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist.  I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.
 
2013-05-19 01:34:06 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

..

A we know that there should be no painful times for anyone growing up as it better prepares them for the real world in which nobody will have things that son will not as an adult.

I myself remember the kid down the street going to vaction with his granparnts twice a year and I could not because all my grandparents had passed away when i was very young.   To this day the very term grandparent  causes me much pain and I have to take personal day or two from work to recover.
It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belng to the state and parents merely exist as money source to support the children..

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would  reject it over private or home schooling.
 
2013-05-19 01:39:04 PM  

chocolate covered poop: gimmegimme:

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here.  I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated.  Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1.  Racism is bad
2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive.  To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing.  Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist.  I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.


Okay, we are indeed on pretty much the same page.  I'm just pointing out that domestic violence against men IS ignored.  We have a term for "deadbeat dad," but no similar term for similar women.  We quite rightly get mad at Chris Brown for beating up his girlfriend, but we ignore similar situations that happen to men and we ignore the statistics that prove it happens far more than we think.

Here's the other problem: if we acknowledge the inherent biological tendencies that you point out, it can cause a problem for feminists who feel these tendencies should be ignored with respect to employment and so on.
 
2013-05-19 01:56:16 PM  

Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.


It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am! Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!
 
2013-05-19 02:03:16 PM  

hasty ambush:
It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belong to the state...


Celebrating something called a Day of Families promotes the idea that children belong to the state?
Mother's Day and Father's Day are fine opportunuties for families to stress the importance of good parentship. But why should they be part of elementary school culture? If that was the intention with the traditions, wouldn't the days have been placed during the schoolweek?

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would  reject it over private or home schooling.

If removing Mother's Day from school is social engineering, couldn't the same be said about introducing it in schools in the first place? Do you really need government run institutions telling your children how to feel about their parents?
 
2013-05-19 02:04:49 PM  
FTFComments section: <i>If everyone was gay there would be no celebrations at all. There would be no human beings. This is an infringement on my rights as a dad and grandfather. These people who drum up these stupid ideas must be teachers.</i>

/no words
//slashies, though!
 
2013-05-19 02:14:49 PM  

Fano: Anyway, conservatives acknowledge plenty of traditions less than a hundred years old, like saying "Under God," during the pledge of allegiance.


I think I've worked it out now: You're right, it doesn't have to more than a hundred, it just has to be older than the conservative in question.
 
2013-05-19 02:31:51 PM  
What about Heather has a mom and a dog?
 
2013-05-19 02:43:50 PM  

joeshlabotnik: I demand that everyone else stop celebrating their birthdays because it makes me feel sad that it's not my birthday.


Well, if you are over the age of like 21 and still celebrate birthdays, you might just want to go ahead and join adulthood with the rest of us.
 
2013-05-19 02:46:46 PM  

mikewadestr: What about Heather has a mom and a dog?


You forgot the feelings of the peanut butter jar you intolerant thug.
 
2013-05-19 02:59:22 PM  

tuna fingers: Wait a minute.
Mothers Day/Fathers Day weren't acknowledged at the schools I went to.  They just weren't.  What school acknowledges these anyway?


Good point. I don't remember much happening on Mother's and Father's when I was a little one. Who the fark cares?

But also, more seriously, International Family Day would be a horrible experience for someone with no parents or family. WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2013-05-19 02:59:58 PM  

mikewadestr: What about Heather has a mom and a dog?


You say that like it's not a family. This, after Rex slaved in the mines for years, just so you could go waste your time in college and learn how to disrespect your parental canine. You ingrate!
 
2013-05-19 03:00:43 PM  

Dansker: Fano: Anyway, conservatives acknowledge plenty of traditions less than a hundred years old, like saying "Under God," during the pledge of allegiance.

I think I've worked it out now: You're right, it doesn't have to more than a hundred, it just has to be older than the conservative in question.


www.hwdyk.com
Once invoked, the sacred tradition of Claw-Plach can not be taken back. It is a recent tradition, only 18-years-old, but it is a tradition none the less.


neongoats: joeshlabotnik: I demand that everyone else stop celebrating their birthdays because it makes me feel sad that it's not my birthday.

Well, if you are over the age of like 21 and still celebrate birthdays, you might just want to go ahead and join adulthood with the rest of us.


4.bp.blogspot.com

As long as you still get your cake, you can be any age. Different strokes for different folks.
 
2013-05-19 03:04:50 PM  

johnny_stingray: and why don't we celebrate St Crispians Day anymore?
[blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 620x388]


It was only ever celebrated by a few.
 
2013-05-19 03:12:55 PM  

Jument: But also, more seriously, International Family Day would be a horrible experience for someone with no parents or family. WHY WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!


www.3dprintingconfidential.com
Don't worry.  We will be your family.  We are the ones who love you.  Only us.  You have family.
 
2013-05-19 03:14:44 PM  
Nevermind that, really.

What about kids who are missing parents? Why the hell are we putting them through that shiat every year? Where I grew up, I was one of maybe 3 kids in my grade level who lived with both parents, who were happily married (and to each other!). I always thought all the mother's day and father's day stuff we did at school was really poorly thought out, given that every time there'd be at least one crying child.
 
2013-05-19 03:42:00 PM  

chocolate covered poop: But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution


There is less than 0.1% of genetic variation between all humans. "Race" is a bit of a misnomer; "breed" is probably better. Race itself is merely the Narcissism of Small Differences.
 
2013-05-19 05:16:36 PM  
My Three Dads. If ever an older, mostly forgotten, television series needed a modern reboot it's that one.
 
2013-05-19 05:54:09 PM  

ParagonComplex: My Three Dads. If ever an older, mostly forgotten, television series needed a modern reboot it's that one.


Do you mean My Two Dads or My Three Sons?
I don't think there was such a thing as "My Three Dads".
 
2013-05-19 08:39:29 PM  

Ranger Rover: Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.

It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am!  Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!



TFA was about the internal decision of a Nova Scotia elementary school, but hey, you're on a roll.www.google.com
 
2013-05-19 08:42:20 PM  

Soymilk: E5bie: Cuchulane: Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.

Because every single day in elementary school must be a holiday, or celebration, or themed in some way.
Heaven forbid we get through a week without a pile of colored paper shapes.

I used to be in a stepfamily support group, and there is an amazing amount of angst around MD and FD. There's your step-parent who feels slighted because they got no school-made present from the kids they'd been raising while the kid's deadbeat non-custodial parent got a present. There's your butthurt biomom who's offended that her kid made 2 presents, one for her and one for the kid's stepmom.


... And this is why humans suck.
 
2013-05-20 02:33:39 AM  

This About That: How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?


Mother's Day was a genuine attempt at a holiday. It was hi-jacked by commercial interests. Father's Day was then added later in order to further capitalize. I elect to ignore both. Rather than pick a day to be nice to my parents, I try to be nice year-round.
 
2013-05-20 08:31:00 AM  
National Carpet Muncher day?
 
2013-05-20 08:53:59 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

 
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