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2013-05-18 04:38:09 PM
So three hypotheses propsed before any observations or evidence, Einstein removing the constant in light of then current observations, and Hoyle holding fast to his hypothesis despite current observations. I hope the rest of the book is better than that.
 
2013-05-18 06:26:12 PM
Wasn't this guy on Science Friday yesterday? It was actually pretty entertaining.
 
2013-05-18 06:35:20 PM
I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.
 
2013-05-18 07:20:38 PM
these arent EVEN CLOSE to the biggest!!
 
2013-05-18 07:28:39 PM

KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.


You mean LiveScience.com, right?
 
2013-05-18 07:48:00 PM

whither_apophis: So three hypotheses propsed before any observations or evidence, Einstein removing the constant in light of then current observations, and Hoyle holding fast to his hypothesis despite current observations. I hope the rest of the book is better than that.


Yeah the author doesn't seem to understand that having a theory disproven by observed facts is not a blunder; that's how science works.
 
2013-05-18 07:59:23 PM

insano: whither_apophis: So three hypotheses propsed before any observations or evidence, Einstein removing the constant in light of then current observations, and Hoyle holding fast to his hypothesis despite current observations. I hope the rest of the book is better than that.

Yeah the author doesn't seem to understand that having a theory disproven by observed facts is not a blunder; that's how science works.


Prove it!
 
2013-05-18 08:00:49 PM
Thanks, but I won't click any Fock Snooze link when the subject is science.  I also won't go to Barry Manilow for jazz drum lessons.
 
2013-05-18 08:01:20 PM

KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.


Fox writing about science is like reading a review of a steakhouse written by a vegan.
 
2013-05-18 08:01:37 PM
I don't see global warming on there.  Wait, this is fox, right? Weird.
 
2013-05-18 08:02:38 PM

Shostie: KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.

You mean LiveScience.com, right?


Ack. Never mind.
 
2013-05-18 08:03:15 PM
Regarding Pauling's triple helix, well, some organisms have their DNA in a triple-helix. Bananas are one such organism.
 
2013-05-18 08:05:59 PM
The stupid thing is that there is a rich vein of actual scientific blunders that would make a fine book.

This evidently is not it.
 
2013-05-18 08:08:33 PM

fusillade762: Shostie: KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.

You mean LiveScience.com, right?

Ack. Never mind.


It's still odd that they would host it.
It mentioned evolution AND the age of the Earth. It just needs something about global warming for the full effect.
 
2013-05-18 08:10:01 PM
How about the Chernobyl reactor tests in April 1986?
 
2013-05-18 08:11:50 PM
The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

There was a time when the people doing the science were also moral and well versed with right and wrong. These were the alchemists and they did good above science.

Now, science just does whatever and dumps all the data over to engineers. So for every good applications, like a small pox vaccine, we have a hundred awful applications like GPS guided Hellfire missiles launched from drones half a wold away or Red 5.
 
2013-05-18 08:12:52 PM
I've found science much more interesting since I started watching the History Channel and learned about all the aliens and UFOs that created humans and built the pyramids!
 
2013-05-18 08:13:02 PM

whither_apophis: So three hypotheses propsed before any observations or evidence, Einstein removing the constant in light of then current observations, and Hoyle holding fast to his hypothesis despite current observations. I hope the rest of the book is better than that.


It won't be. He's not that good an author.
 
2013-05-18 08:14:51 PM
The debate between Steady State universe and the Big Bang universe I thought was a interesting one.  Probably because the debate didn't start until the early 20th Century and until that point, the question of where did the universe come from wasn't even a question asked by science, it was theological.
 
2013-05-18 08:15:29 PM
No Penicillin? No Vulcanized rubber?
 
2013-05-18 08:16:31 PM

Enemabag Jones: How about the Chernobyl reactor tests in April 1986?


How about the hydrogen bomb test where the scientists misplaced a decimal on the megatonnage? It was supposed to be 1.5 megatons, whoops, it was 15 megatons and it vapourized one of the Bikini Island atolls.
 
2013-05-18 08:25:48 PM

Enemabag Jones: How about the Chernobyl reactor tests in April 1986?


That wasn't a scientific blunder, that was shoddy design and incompetence.

The only thing you could compare to Chernobyl would be testing a new explosive by strapping it to your head so you can hear how loud it is.
 
2013-05-18 08:28:46 PM
Okay, we all agree that TFA sucks. So what are the *real* greatest scientific blunders? Lysenkoism? The Piltdown Man?
 
rpm
2013-05-18 08:29:03 PM

doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.


Naturalistic Materialism is a philosophy.
 
2013-05-18 08:30:44 PM
..as all bikinis should be.
 
2013-05-18 08:32:00 PM

Here Comes Everybody: Okay, we all agree that TFA sucks. So what are the *real* greatest scientific blunders? Lysenkoism? The Piltdown Man?


I would rank cold fusion up there.
 
2013-05-18 08:32:05 PM

rpm: doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

Naturalistic Materialism is a philosophy.


Not in any meaningful way. It's utterly devoid of morality, or even the basis for morality.

And thus, you get atomic bombs, fracking, and nerve gas.
 
2013-05-18 08:33:32 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: Regarding Pauling's triple helix, well, some organisms have their DNA in a triple-helix. Bananas are one such organism.


No they haven't -- Banana's are triploid, but that just means that they have three copies of each chromosome instead of the ususal two...  Some other species have even more copies: Kiwi's have six, and some strawberries ten.

...But all of them are still double-helix.
 
2013-05-18 08:37:22 PM
It's a Faux news link, can I just guess that it is everything that the bible thumpers don't agree with?
Won't click Faux news links!
 
2013-05-18 08:39:10 PM
The biggest news here is that Fox News admits that Darwinian evolution is a fact.
 
2013-05-18 08:42:25 PM
If you want to read about real scientific blunders, read "Diamond Dealers and Feather Merchants."

N-rays, polywater, Lysenko's theory of inherited "experiences" of seeds.  Those were blunders.

That third one led to a gigantic famine and failure of many re-planted trees in the USSR, as Stalin subscribed to Lysenko's kooky ideas.
 
2013-05-18 08:42:37 PM

God-is-a-Taco: fusillade762: Shostie: KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.

You mean LiveScience.com, right?

Ack. Never mind.

It's still odd that they would host it.
It mentioned evolution AND the age of the Earth. It just needs something about global warming for the full effect.


It balances out by being about an Israeli scientist's new book.
 
2013-05-18 08:42:48 PM
amazing how divorced this rebloging is from its original source material

Live Science : "Oops! 5 Retracted Science Studies"'
1:Hyung-In Moon false research and peer review
2: A jornal pulling a joke Paper
3:  A "Media Scientist" who writes a lot of weak "Headline" studies
4: Cell phones are not Cancer machines
5: Publishing before data is fully fleshed out

then we get the Fox "reblogging"
"Oops! The 5 greatest scientific blunders"
1: "Darwin was Wrong"... but not really
2: Kevin was wrong about the earths age...it is a lot older
3: DNA theory is wrong...not really just more to then original thought
2: Scientist stands by his theory... ok not much spin here, just that some times hard to let go of you life's work when new data is found
1: Einstein was wrong...no he was a scientist
 
2013-05-18 08:43:36 PM

Astorix: How about the hydrogen bomb test where the scientists misplaced a decimal on the megatonnage? It was supposed to be 1.5 megatons, whoops, it was 15 megatons and it vapourized one of the Bikini Island atolls.


... And woke Godzilla.
 
2013-05-18 08:45:22 PM

doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

There was a time when the people doing the science were also moral and well versed with right and wrong. These were the alchemists and they did good above science.


doglover: rpm: doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

Naturalistic Materialism is a philosophy.

Not in any meaningful way. It's utterly devoid of morality, or even the basis for morality.

And thus, you get atomic bombs, fracking, and nerve gas.


And alchemists gave us gunpowder and guns.

http://salempress.com/store/samples/great_events_from_history_middle _a ges/great_events_from_history_middle_ages_invention.htm

and modern medicine has cured polio.

What was your point again?
 
2013-05-18 08:47:46 PM
I would say the acceptance of Piltdown Man would be one.  It was a fraud but it was a fraud that was at odds with the rest of the science at that time...But it fit with what people wanted to believe (a big brained English ancestor of man).
I would note too, the author gets on Darwin for his 'Hereditary' theory, then gives an incomplete explanation. Mendel's genetics research showed genes do not always blend but evolutionary theory also needs mutations to work.
 
2013-05-18 08:51:33 PM

doglover: rpm: doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

Naturalistic Materialism is a philosophy.

Not in any meaningful way. It's utterly devoid of morality, or even the basis for morality.

And thus, you get atomic bombs, fracking, and nerve gas.


your point?

any science can be perverted for harm, does that mean Scientist's and other researchers should bury any research they do that could be twisted in to a weapon

///and on an Aside i really dont see Atomic Bombs as a great Moral failing of the scientific world. Many Disagree with the view but MAD has forced the major powers of the world to work together when they disagree rather then declare war and see who can last the longest
 
rpm
2013-05-18 08:54:46 PM

doglover: rpm: doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

Naturalistic Materialism is a philosophy.

Not in any meaningful way. It's utterly devoid of morality, or even the basis for morality.

And thus, you get atomic bombs, fracking, and nerve gas.


Philosophy != ethics. Philosophy != morality.

Bonus question: What does PhD stand for?
 
2013-05-18 08:57:32 PM

God-is-a-Taco: fusillade762: Shostie: KarmicDisaster: I get all my science news from Faux Nooz.

You mean LiveScience.com, right?

Ack. Never mind.

It's still odd that they would host it.
It mentioned evolution AND the age of the Earth. It just needs something about global warming for the full effect.


Not anymore unreasonable than buying a burner phone and storing it away for a rainy day.

Sure, you can only use it to fool people one time, but for that one time, it  can be very anonymous.
 
2013-05-18 08:58:31 PM

Astorix: Enemabag Jones: How about the Chernobyl reactor tests in April 1986?

How about the hydrogen bomb test where the scientists misplaced a decimal on the megatonnage? It was supposed to be 1.5 megatons, whoops, it was 15 megatons and it vapourized one of the Bikini Island atolls.


It wasn't a decimal point error. It was not completely understanding how all the involved isotopes would react. We got it now. Sorry about all those islanders who got the fallout.
 
2013-05-18 08:59:02 PM
An article on christians?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-05-18 09:11:09 PM

BigLuca: Here Comes Everybody: Okay, we all agree that TFA sucks. So what are the *real* greatest scientific blunders? Lysenkoism? The Piltdown Man?

I would rank cold fusion up there.


This.
 
2013-05-18 09:13:21 PM

Herb Utsmelz: Thanks, but I won't click any Fock Snooze link when the subject is science.  I also won't go to Barry Manilow for jazz drum lessons.


And I wont go to Barack Obama for advice on how to be president.
 
2013-05-18 09:15:04 PM
Dr. Sayer: It was an immense project. I was to extract 1 decagram of myelin from 4 tons of earth worms.
Dr. Sullivan: Really!
Dr. Sayer: Yes. I was on the project for 5 years. I was the only one who believed in it. Everyone else said it couldn't be done.
Dr. Kaufman: It can't.
Dr. Sayer: I know that now. I proved it.
 
2013-05-18 09:18:25 PM

MrHelpful: And I wont go to Barack Obama for advice on how to be president.


Wow. I can almost feel your butthurt from way over here.
 
2013-05-18 09:20:04 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: Regarding Pauling's triple helix, well, some organisms have their DNA in a triple-helix. Bananas are one such organism.


Which is just one more reason why bananas are the atheist's nightmare.
 
2013-05-18 09:21:44 PM

doglover: The real problem with science is the utter lack of philosophy.

There was a time when the people doing the science were also moral and well versed with right and wrong. These were the alchemists and they did good above science.


Yes, indeed, the alchemists did good above science.  But then again, the alchemists did EVERYTHING above science, so it's not as impressive a statement as it might sound.
 
2013-05-18 09:23:54 PM

MooseUpNorth: MrHelpful: And I wont go to Barack Obama for advice on how to be president.

Wow. I can almost feel your butthurt from way over here.


Just as I can feel yours.
 
2013-05-18 09:24:13 PM

ciberido: 1000 Ways to Dye: Regarding Pauling's triple helix, well, some organisms have their DNA in a triple-helix. Bananas are one such organism.

Which is just one more reason why bananas are the atheist's nightmare.


Holy fark those people are morons.

The most excellent thing I've ever heard from the ID crowd was basically this: the proof that God exists is that kidney beans are shaped like kidneys.
 
2013-05-18 09:26:13 PM
"Were you there?"
 
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