Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(C|Net)   Old school Trekkie explains why the reboots are awesome   (news.cnet.com) divider line 69
    More: Cool, Star Trek, Ricardo Montalban, Gorns, gills, genetic engineering  
•       •       •

4015 clicks; posted to Geek » on 18 May 2013 at 7:06 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



69 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-05-18 06:16:51 PM  
That was a terrible article.
 
2013-05-18 07:08:38 PM  
 The new actors, for the most part, manage to share strong physical resemblances with the original actors, which makes it easier to accept them.

Its almost as if that was intentional.
 
2013-05-18 07:13:01 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: The new actors, for the most part, manage to share strong physical resemblances with the original actors, which makes it easier to accept them.

Its almost as if that was intentional.


At least for 2 of them it was really easy.

Oriental dude for Sulu.  Black girl for Uhura.

Scotty looks nothing like James Doohan, and Anton Yelchin looks nothing like Walter Koenig.
 
2013-05-18 07:17:59 PM  
I've yet to see the new movie, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that article had some  spoilersin it, albeit ones that I *think* everyone had already assumed were true.
 
2013-05-18 07:19:46 PM  
asset1.cbsistatic.com

Holy crap, it's Barry Manilow with a Klingon.
 
2013-05-18 07:21:37 PM  
Any word if CBS plans to reboot a tv show?
 
2013-05-18 07:28:00 PM  
The emperor has no clothes.
 
2013-05-18 07:28:50 PM  
She basically admits toward the end of the article that NuTrek is no longer intelligent, just a thrill ride. Which is why I despise NuTrek.

The ONLY Sci-Fi franchise that had an optimistic view of mankind's future has now been killed off.
 
2013-05-18 07:35:29 PM  

mark12A: She basically admits toward the end of the article that NuTrek is no longer intelligent, just a thrill ride. Which is why I despise NuTrek.

The ONLY Sci-Fi franchise that had an optimistic view of mankind's future has now been killed off.


Maybe if you limit yourself to what is on TV. There are plenty of books that are optimistic about the future.

Hell, I'd argue Dr Who has an optimistic view for the future of humanity. We've spread across the stars, are  the dominate species in the galaxy and despite all odds survive until the end of the universe.
 
2013-05-18 07:40:45 PM  

tekneex: Oriental dude for Sulu.


The only person I know who still uses the term "oriental" is my 83-year-old mother.
 
2013-05-18 07:42:37 PM  

mark12A: She basically admits toward the end of the article that NuTrek is no longer intelligent, just a thrill ride.


It's not that old-Trek was particularly intelligent, but it was intelligent  for mass media. From the TOS-era parables, to the TNG-era sermons, the core of the show was always about discussing  an idea. Adventure, characterization, and even plot took a backseat to that. Sometimes it was good, sometimes it was great, often it was awful. But it had an optimistic charm, a Pollyanna vision of the future. TOS and TNG happened during tumultuous times- TOS had the Cold War, the counter-culture, the birth of the space age, and Vietnam. TNG happened during the end of the Cold War, and the birth of the modern, computerized, Internet age.

The beauty of Star Trek was its relentless optimism in the face of uncertainty. Later series drifted away from that, the movies never really even tried to approach that, and the new movies have forgotten that entirely.

Also, if you want to feel old: the premiere of TNG is farther from today than the premiere of TOS was from the start of TNG. Kids growing up today have the same relationship with TNG that I had with TOS when I was a child.
 
2013-05-18 07:44:13 PM  

t3knomanser: Also, if you want to feel old: the premiere of TNG is farther from today than the premiere of TOS was from the start of TNG. Kids growing up today have the same relationship with TNG that I had with TOS when I was a child.


I'd go so far as to say that for most fans of my generation (perhaps all generations these days, I don't know), TNG is the most foundational Star Trek, the most legitimate and real, even more than TOS.
 
2013-05-18 07:44:31 PM  
I don't see articles in the media about how Dr. Who inspired people to become astronauts, scientists and engineers, unlike many articles about Trek doing just that, not to mention all the articles about inventions inspired by Trek, or actually predicted by Trek. Something special has been trashed, and replaced by mindless drivel...

/"Abraaaaaaaaaaaaams"
 
2013-05-18 07:48:05 PM  

mark12A: She basically admits toward the end of the article that NuTrek is no longer intelligent, just a thrill ride. Which is why I despise NuTrek.

The ONLY Sci-Fi franchise that had an optimistic view of mankind's future has now been killed off.


Preach it, brother! NuTrek is just the A-Team in Spaaaaaaaaace. It's laughable to imagine this dogshiat will lead to multi-generational fandom like TOS did. I don't know if im sadder that they're raping Roddenberry's optimism, or the most of our society is fine with it.
 
2013-05-18 07:51:02 PM  

mark12A: I don't see articles in the media about how Dr. Who inspired people to become astronauts, scientists and engineers, unlike many articles about Trek doing just that, not to mention all the articles about inventions inspired by Trek, or actually predicted by Trek. Something special has been trashed, and replaced by mindless drivel...

/"Abraaaaaaaaaaaaams"


So true.  I had a classmate inspired to create cloning technology because he saw Star Trek: Nemesis.
 
2013-05-18 07:56:04 PM  

fusillade762: tekneex: Oriental dude for Sulu.

The only person I know who still uses the term "oriental" is my 83-year-old mother.


I presume 'Oriental' is offensive because it's a directional descriptor based on Europe being the standard of the human norm against which everyone else is compared; but 'Asian' is even less descriptive or non-discriminatory since Putin is an Asian, and 'Asia' itself is a Latin word. It's less of a fix than African-American is for 'black', imho.
 
2013-05-18 08:58:54 PM  

mark12A: The ONLY Sci-Fi franchise that had an optimistic view of mankind's future has now been killed off.


Well according to the show, we should have had WWIII by now.
 
2013-05-18 09:09:54 PM  
I am a trekkie, I admit it! The movie was good, not perfect but it has its own timeline and still curious on which way they will still go with it. I just don't want to wait every 4 frakkin' years for a movie!
 
2013-05-18 10:04:30 PM  
I went to see "Star Trek V" five times in the theater

Stopped reading there.  Clearly her opinion is invalid.
 
2013-05-18 10:07:09 PM  

DamnYankees: That was a terrible article.


I didn't even read it. I saw the persons pic and decided not to. What do lesbians know about syfy?
 
2013-05-18 10:24:49 PM  

Charlie Chingas: DamnYankees: That was a terrible article.

I didn't even read it. I saw the persons pic and decided not to. What do lesbians know about syfy?


I don't know, I'm not sure they like watching wrestling but like whatever floats your boat! Even if they did I'm not sure how it would be relevant to a Star Trek thread.
 
2013-05-18 10:29:06 PM  

bbfreak: I don't know, I'm not sure they like watching wrestling but like whatever floats your boat! Even if they did I'm not sure how it would be relevant to a Star Trek thread.


Wrestling and ghost hunting. With the occasional original movie with hasbeens from the '80s and CGI rendered on a Commodore 64.
 
2013-05-18 10:32:51 PM  
While I do LIKE the new Trek movies I just hate what they mean for the franchise. This is partially Enterprise's fault too but no one is going to want to take a chance on another TNGish/DS9ish type series, not when this actiony, quippy, space battle type has become so popular. Now all we'll get is more action movies and if they try to do another series it'll probably be more like this and less real Trek. Which saddens me.
 
2013-05-18 10:34:12 PM  
My mother used to watch reruns with me when I was a baby.

That is not old school. Watching the original run is.
 
2013-05-18 10:35:19 PM  
Yeah.  That didn't spoil the movie at all.
biatch.
 
2013-05-18 10:36:21 PM  

BioStormX: if they try to do another series it'll probably be more like this and less real Trek. Which saddens me.


Not on a television budget they won't.
 
2013-05-18 10:42:23 PM  

serial_crusher: I went to see "Star Trek V" five times in the theater

Stopped reading there.  Clearly her opinion is invalid.


What does God need with a starship? I also agree that Star Trek V was a bad film. My favorite Star Trek movies from TOS are Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country. Even those were campy and not the greatest films ever but they were fun. Star Trek 2009 was a good film, and miles better than Into the Darkness. I know some can ignore the bad writing, but I can't. Biggest problem with ITD is that its a popcorn film which is fine, but then they make you think about the previous films/etc.

So you want me to shut off my brain and just ignore the dumbness eh? Fine, stop making me think of Wrath of Khan and how it was a much more enjoyable movie. Which is a damn shame because the cast was great, the CGI was great, everything was great except the damn story.
 
2013-05-18 10:47:56 PM  
I skimmed to avoid spoilers and noted the bit at the end:  Oh, hey, yeah, it contained none of the lessons of old Star Trek.  Like, none.

Now, I'll grant the TOS and TNG movies were more shoot-em-up than the respective series; you expect some of that to make the transition to the big screen.  But no philosophy at all?  No real moral?  Just a big ol' space battle like the first one?

Now I'm sad.  I think I will have to go rewatch Wrath of Khan.
 
2013-05-18 10:56:42 PM  
Oh, look, another article gets greenlit to drum up a trekkie vs trekkie flamewar and get pageviews.

They should create a rebooted version of Picard so we can divide by zero on the Kirk vs Picard debate.
 
2013-05-18 10:57:56 PM  
DS9 is best Trek.
 
2013-05-18 11:27:08 PM  
Oh I dunno, always like the original olskol myself

imageshack.us
 
2013-05-18 11:35:31 PM  

AdrienVeidt: fusillade762: tekneex: Oriental dude for Sulu.

The only person I know who still uses the term "oriental" is my 83-year-old mother.

I presume 'Oriental' is offensive because it's a directional descriptor based on Europe being the standard of the human norm against which everyone else is compared; but 'Asian' is even less descriptive or non-discriminatory since Putin is an Asian, and 'Asia' itself is a Latin word. It's less of a fix than African-American is for 'black', imho.


I cringed watching some asian classmates of mine back in the day call out an inclusive, tolerant african-american professor for using the term oriental on a test, by saying "Oriental is a rug, not a person."
 
2013-05-18 11:52:01 PM  
So basically the article boils down to "you can't be a REAL trekkie unless you love EVERYTHING Trek".

Trek fans are suffering a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. They've been kidnapped by Paramount and held in deprivation until in desperation they'll accept any scraps thrown their way as long as it has the name Star Trek in front of it.

I've heard excuses like "hey, at least it's new Trek" which no, it is not. It's generic space action porn which just happened to give some of its characters the same name as Star Trek characters. I've heard excuses like "well if the movies succeed then Paramount will bring back the real Star Trek franchise we all knew and loved". No, no they will not. That franchise is now officially dead and gone forever. There will never be another Star Trek series that takes place in the time line we all grew up with. That universe has been destroyed forever in a flash of "red matter", or more accurately "green matter". The fact that the new Trek is popular means there will never be another series that takes place in the real Star Trek franchise. It'll be car chases and explosions, lens flare and shaky-cam from here on out. Intelligent Trek is gone. It will never come back.

That said, the franchise has lost a fan in me. I know it won't make one bit of difference to Paramount and one less ticket sale will go completely unnoticed. But I am under no obligation to have to like this new Teen-Trek crap and I resent being told "well you can't be a REAL Trek fan if you don't love the reboots".
 
2013-05-19 12:00:40 AM  

fusillade762: tekneex: Oriental dude for Sulu.

The only person I know who still uses the term "oriental" is my 83-year-old mother.


I watched "Space Seed" today.  The part where Scotty was talking about all the different races that were on the Botany Bay.

Plus.... In the UK, Asian also means Southeast Asians.
 
2013-05-19 12:10:19 AM  

Fano: AdrienVeidt: fusillade762: tekneex: Oriental dude for Sulu.

The only person I know who still uses the term "oriental" is my 83-year-old mother.

I presume 'Oriental' is offensive because it's a directional descriptor based on Europe being the standard of the human norm against which everyone else is compared; but 'Asian' is even less descriptive or non-discriminatory since Putin is an Asian, and 'Asia' itself is a Latin word. It's less of a fix than African-American is for 'black', imho.

I cringed watching some asian classmates of mine back in the day call out an inclusive, tolerant african-american professor for using the term oriental on a test, by saying "Oriental is a rug, not a person."


Yeah, I mean it gets crazy with that stuff to pinpoint people from East Asia (I suppose I should have said that instead, but like I said I watched "Star Seed" today where Scotty was describing the races onboard the Botany Bay and he used the term Oriental, but I suppose that was a stretch of a reference where someone would have picked it up from.).  If I used the blanket Asian term, it could mean south east asians which look nothing like east asians, or Kazakh who are Central Asians who can bear resemblance to East Asians, even Afghanis can look East Asian as well.
 
2013-05-19 01:20:54 AM  

Charlie Chingas: DamnYankees: That was a terrible article.

I didn't even read it. I saw the persons pic and decided not to. What do lesbians know about syfy?


More than the tranny from i09 and his moronic review of STID.
 
2013-05-19 01:35:58 AM  
img267.imageshack.us img819.imageshack.us
I can't imagine why they would re-boot Star Trek with new actors and shed decades of canon. Ha ha.
 
2013-05-19 01:38:56 AM  

Ghastly: But I am under no obligation to have to like this new Teen-Trek crap and I resent being told "well you can't be a REAL Trek fan if you don't love the reboots".


You're also under no obligation to post essentially the same thing in every Trek thread.
 
2013-05-19 01:45:22 AM  
I see this as a philosophical issue:
There seems to be this notion that in order to be faithful to the original work, it must not ever change. I've read through many angry reviews, and the subsequent commentary, but the pattern is the same. Those of us that were around to watch the shows as they aired remember them in a way that is unique to our own interpretations, much like people remember their home towns after having lived elsewhere for a while. 

The truth is, that the style is changing, but more importantly, you are all changing too. We are growing older, and as such, we lose that respect for an artist to take something and change it for their own. We just want more of the same. We want what we are used to, because we remember just how 'better' it was. This leads to fanatical defensive comments about how this new stuff is garbage.

It's not garbage, it's just different. Deal with it, or pop in your VHS tapes and live in the past.
 
2013-05-19 01:45:37 AM  

red5ish: [img267.imageshack.us image 236x236] [img819.imageshack.us image 320x240]
I can't imagine why they would re-boot Star Trek with new actors and shed decades of canon. Ha ha.


I can't imagine why they would re-boot Star Trek with new actors either. Likewise I don't know why they bothered with a prequel series like Enterprise.

Could they not have created a new post Voyager series for the franchise that would appeal to both the established fan base and excite new fans as well? If people are really hungry for TOS era stories there are books that will deliver.

I also don't see why its OUR fault for not enjoying these reboot movies. I can't begin to count the number of times I've heard people say I should just "learn to turn off your brain and enjoy the movie". I didn't watch Trek because I wanted to turn off my brain.

Why does it have to be either/or? You CAN make a movie that will appeal to both the people who only want action porn AND the people who want an intelligent story. It is neither impossible nor more expensive to do this.
 
2013-05-19 01:47:05 AM  

John Dewey: Ghastly: But I am under no obligation to have to like this new Teen-Trek crap and I resent being told "well you can't be a REAL Trek fan if you don't love the reboots".

You're also under no obligation to post essentially the same thing in every Trek thread.


Nor am I under the obligation to silent my legitimate criticisms of the franchise because people are upset I don't like what they like.
 
2013-05-19 02:14:50 AM  

Ghastly: If people are really hungry for TOS era stories there are books that will deliver.


If people are hungry for post-Voyager stories there are books that will deliver as well.
 
2013-05-19 02:22:18 AM  
Reboot. Singular. Trek 2009 was the only reboot of the Trek universe.

Rebootses, rebooties, rebooty... whatever
 
2013-05-19 02:28:12 AM  
Look I'll get this out the way.  It's not that the nuTrek is action orientated that makes it dire, I liked First Contact and that's pretty much wall to wall pewpew action.   What makes nuTrek dire is the the camera man has Parkinsons and the over abundance of lens flare actually distract from the action and pewpew.
 
2013-05-19 02:32:47 AM  

Vaneshi: Look I'll get this out the way.  It's not that the nuTrek is action orientated that makes it dire, I liked First Contact and that's pretty much wall to wall pewpew action.   What makes nuTrek dire is the the camera man has Parkinsons and the over abundance of lens flare actually distract from the action and pewpew.



Sarah? Is that you?
 
2013-05-19 02:48:53 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: Sarah? Is that you?


I have never been accused of being a Sarah before.  Care to elaborate?
 
2013-05-19 03:00:26 AM  
There's still some good eatin on that franchise.
 
2013-05-19 04:14:26 AM  

red5ish: There's still some good eatin on that franchise


For someone else perhaps. For me it just makes me sick to my stomach.

For over 40 years I was able to say I was a Star Trek fan. Not any more.
 
2013-05-19 04:23:04 AM  
Rose colored, nostalgia glasses are common among Scifi fans and it's a shame. For every scene classic scene, there is schlock like this.

This is how you biatch about a Star Trek movie for legit reasons. 

/wife and I keep all the series in rotation on Netflix
//even VOY and ENT
 
2013-05-19 05:16:52 AM  

AdrienVeidt: mark12A: She basically admits toward the end of the article that NuTrek is no longer intelligent, just a thrill ride. Which is why I despise NuTrek.

The ONLY Sci-Fi franchise that had an optimistic view of mankind's future has now been killed off.

Preach it, brother! NuTrek is just the A-Team in Spaaaaaaaaace. It's laughable to imagine this dogshiat will lead to multi-generational fandom like TOS did.

 That's what I keep thinking. The original actors did 79 tv episodes, and six theatrical films. So their version of Trek is pretty much imprinted on our culture. I give the current batch of actors one, maybe two move films before they get bored and decide to move on. they'll be pretty much a vague memory.

 
Displayed 50 of 69 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report