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(MacRumors)   Apple's iRadio service delayed even further because Sony thinks they should be paid every time you skip over a shiatty song   (macrumors.com) divider line 64
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2013-05-18 01:48:07 PM  
fark Sony. The faster they die the better we all are.
 
2013-05-18 01:56:01 PM  

Nemo's Brother: fark Sony Apple. The faster they die the better we all are.


FTFY
 
2013-05-18 02:16:34 PM  
I rock an iPhone, but I couldn't care less about any stupid Apple music product. It will never beat Spotify Premium.
 
2013-05-18 02:17:19 PM  
Mrs. Rittenhouse: You are one of the musicians? But you were not due until tomorrow.

Ravelli: Couldn't come tomorrow, that's too quick.

Spaulding: Say, you're lucky they didn't come yesterday!

Ravelli: We were busy yesterday, but we charge just the same.

Spaulding: This is better than exploring! What do you fellows get an hour?

Ravelli: Oh, for playing we getta ten dollars an hour.

Spaulding: I see...What do you get for not playing?

Ravelli: Twelve dollars an hour.

Spaulding: Well, clip me off a piece of that.

Ravelli: Now, for rehearsing we make special rate. Thatsa fifteen dollars an hour.

Spaulding: That's for rehearsing?

Ravelli: Thatsa for rehearsing.

Spaulding: And what do you get for not rehearsing?

Ravelli: You couldn't afford it...Heh...you see, if we don't rehearse, we don't play...And, if we don't play...That runs into money.

- Marx Bros "Animal Crackers" (1930)
 
2013-05-18 02:26:07 PM  
How's it feel to be on the other end of a retarded patent claim, Apple? Suck it.
 
2013-05-18 02:34:01 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How's it feel to be on the other end of a retarded patent claim, Apple? Suck it.


What patent claim? This is licensing negotiations for Sony's catalog of music.
 
2013-05-18 02:41:18 PM  
Why do people just slam copy/paste text from music/movies/books/etc. in posts, and not make any comment? I'm sure glad you...put something in there.

Thanks.

No, really, thanks. That was helpful. Now go off and do something equally productive, like lick the paint off the walls.
 
2013-05-18 02:41:41 PM  
From what I've heard, Apple's iRadio service looks like it's going to suck.

I like Rdio. Good selection, offline ability, and you can listen to whatever song you want.
 
2013-05-18 03:01:57 PM  
I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.
 
2013-05-18 03:10:50 PM  
I don't care about Apple's music services but fark Sony of they think I should pay for songs I don't want to hear.
 
2013-05-18 03:10:57 PM  
I am now playing a song you don't want to hear, in fact you can't hear it from where you are even if you tried. Please make your checks (or cheques if not listening from the U.S.) payable to:

DreamyAltarBoy
 c/o BigScammingIndustryLobby
 
2013-05-18 03:16:45 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.


Do you use Netflix?
 
2013-05-18 03:21:24 PM  

RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?


Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.
 
2013-05-18 03:22:48 PM  
Dear Sony,

This is why people are still stealing music.

Hugs and kisses,

The Public
 
2013-05-18 03:23:45 PM  

wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.


Says who? If you're on Fark you're patently aware that isn't true with the breadth people repeat lines from TV shows and films.
 
2013-05-18 03:28:32 PM  
how about I skip the whole industry and continue to pay $0 for music since 1999
 
2013-05-18 03:31:44 PM  

MightyPez: wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.

Says who? If you're on Fark you're patently aware that isn't true with the breadth people repeat lines from TV shows and films.


Going to respond to the troll...  Notice that I used the words "tend to be"?  That means MOST OF THE TIME people only watch something once.  As opposed to music where MOST OF THE TIME people listen to a song multiple times.  Also, who says that one can't remember a line from a TV show with one viewing?  I know I can.
 
2013-05-18 03:33:45 PM  

MightyPez: Says who? If you're on Fark you're patently aware that isn't true with the breadth people repeat lines from TV shows and films.


Dunno, I've seen 24 exactly once but I still knew the various Jack Bauer memes that were going around.  Memorable lines don't necessarily indicate repeat watchings.   A great deal of content the TV companies make is very much disposable view once stuff; although you wouldn't think that from the price.
 
2013-05-18 03:40:01 PM  

wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.


Citation, please.
 
2013-05-18 03:43:57 PM  

kroonermanblack: Why do people just slam copy/paste text from music/movies/books/etc. in posts, and not make any comment? I'm sure glad you...put something in there.

Thanks.

No, really, thanks. That was helpful. Now go off and do something equally productive, like lick the paint off the walls.


I would say that, A. Because it was funny and B. Because, unlike your post, it actually had something to do with the topic (paying for songs you don't listen to). But I'm just guessing here. I could be wrong.
 
2013-05-18 03:45:56 PM  

RexTalionis: wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.

Citation, please.


Anybody that watched the third Matrix movie more than once raise your hands.
 
2013-05-18 03:46:38 PM  

red5ish: RexTalionis: wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.

Citation, please.

Anybody that watched the third Matrix movie more than once raise your hands.


o/
 
2013-05-18 03:47:46 PM  
I stream music on my Roku at home, but the 3G connections where I go are so flaky it's easier to store music on my phone. And it's nice to see Sony give pirates yet another bogus reason to steal music.

It will never happen in my lifetime but it would be nice to see the collaspe of the music labels.
 
2013-05-18 03:47:56 PM  
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Do I also have to pay for pizza that I ordered but was never served?
 
2013-05-18 03:48:41 PM  

wax_on: Going to respond to the troll...  Notice that I used the words "tend to be"?  That means MOST OF THE TIME people only watch something once.  As opposed to music where MOST OF THE TIME people listen to a song multiple times.  Also, who says that one can't remember a line from a TV show with one viewing?  I know I can.


How is that a troll?

Do you understand the television industry is basically built on syndication? Billions of dollars are spent to license shows that have already aired because people rewatch them. It's the reason you can find Seinfeld on TV at just about any time in the day. Saturday and Sunday movies, annual re-arings of the 10 Commandments, The Wizard of Oz, Shindler's List, etc etc are all testaments that people  don't tend to watch things just once.

And none of that includes DVDs, streaming services, and the (now mostly dead) video rental business.

You're talking out of your ass and then calling people a troll that call you on it.
 
2013-05-18 04:05:11 PM  
Yeah, I am still just going to stick with my iPod classic. Holds all my music, do not have to worry about streaming or data, and I don't have to worry about commercials. Perhaps it's more expensive in the long run than subscribing but I want to be able to do what I want with my music.

I like Songza if I'm looking for new music or random playlists though.
 
2013-05-18 04:15:18 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.


Depends on how much new music you listen to. If you like to listen to the same music over and over, then subscription is a bad deal. For me, on the other hand, I like to try out new artists and keep my music fresh, so for me subscribing to Xbox Music because for $10 a month I can download an ass load of music to my Lumia 920 and then listen to it when I'm working or in the car. If I bought the same amount of music that I typically download off of my Xbox subscription, I'd be spending thousands of bucks a year instead of $120. I would have save so much money if I had these subscription options available when I was in college, and was spending $20-$30 a month at the used record store on farking cassette tapes.
 
2013-05-18 04:16:33 PM  

MightyPez: wax_on: Going to respond to the troll...  Notice that I used the words "tend to be"?  That means MOST OF THE TIME people only watch something once.  As opposed to music where MOST OF THE TIME people listen to a song multiple times.  Also, who says that one can't remember a line from a TV show with one viewing?  I know I can.

How is that a troll?

Do you understand the television industry is basically built on syndication? Billions of dollars are spent to license shows that have already aired because people rewatch them. It's the reason you can find Seinfeld on TV at just about any time in the day. Saturday and Sunday movies, annual re-arings of the 10 Commandments, The Wizard of Oz, Shindler's List, etc etc are all testaments that people  don't tend to watch things just once.

And none of that includes DVDs, streaming services, and the (now mostly dead) video rental business.

You're talking out of your ass and then calling people a troll that call you on it.


Ah bullshiat...  90% of TV shows and movies are seen once and then never again.  Yes, there are some exceptions.  They do not make the rule.  I suppose the same is true of music but since the time and attention commitment of listening to a song is so much lower than that of watching a movie I think people  consume a lot more music than visual media, which is another way in which Netflix and music subscriptions are different.

There's a reason that the straight-to-video movie market is so big, especially in the streaming services.  Because people have seen the big screen movies that they want to see, don't want to re-watch them and are looking for new content.
 
2013-05-18 04:21:51 PM  
Spotify seems to be removing artists and albums arbitrarily now. They'll be available, then they won't be. My iPod (and the the torrents that help populate it) never lets me down.

DontBeSoDigital: I like Songza if I'm looking for new music or random playlists though.


Yeah, Songza is awesome in that department.
 
2013-05-18 04:32:05 PM  

wax_on: Ah bullshiat...  90% of TV shows and movies are seen once and then never again.


You've decided to throw a number down. Please back it up. You seem pretty sure about this so you must have some data.

Look at how TV is made. The fact that Community got renewed has little to do with its ratings. Over the course of its run it suffered from low ratings and this current season was no exception. NBC gave it another season because it will hit the threshold of being syndicated which means they will make big money.  That is the rule of television. Get syndicated, make a lot of free money.

And all of that is based on repeated viewings.

Hell, look how giddy the internet got when Star Trek was slated to show up on Netflix. All that hype wasn't about a bunch of people seeing it for the first time.
 
2013-05-18 04:32:12 PM  
Good, fark them both.

Now we just need EA to get involved with some obscure patent to do with radios (muhrunno why they have it) and watch them all implode.
 
2013-05-18 04:53:27 PM  

MightyPez: wax_on: Ah bullshiat...  90% of TV shows and movies are seen once and then never again.

You've decided to throw a number down. Please back it up. You seem pretty sure about this so you must have some data.

Look at how TV is made. The fact that Community got renewed has little to do with its ratings. Over the course of its run it suffered from low ratings and this current season was no exception. NBC gave it another season because it will hit the threshold of being syndicated which means they will make big money.  That is the rule of television. Get syndicated, make a lot of free money.

And all of that is based on repeated viewings.

Hell, look how giddy the internet got when Star Trek was slated to show up on Netflix. All that hype wasn't about a bunch of people seeing it for the first time.


Wow!  Popular TV show is popular?  Amazing!  Exceptions do not make the rule.  90% of what shows up in movies and tv never gets watched more than once.
 
2013-05-18 05:11:41 PM  

wax_on: MightyPez: wax_on: Ah bullshiat...  90% of TV shows and movies are seen once and then never again.

You've decided to throw a number down. Please back it up. You seem pretty sure about this so you must have some data.

Look at how TV is made. The fact that Community got renewed has little to do with its ratings. Over the course of its run it suffered from low ratings and this current season was no exception. NBC gave it another season because it will hit the threshold of being syndicated which means they will make big money.  That is the rule of television. Get syndicated, make a lot of free money.

And all of that is based on repeated viewings.

Hell, look how giddy the internet got when Star Trek was slated to show up on Netflix. All that hype wasn't about a bunch of people seeing it for the first time.

Wow!  Popular TV show is popular?  Amazing!  Exceptions do not make the rule.  90% of what shows up in movies and tv never gets watched more than once.


There's that claim again. Are you going to offer any data to back it up?

Admittedly, all I have is showing how the big money in television is contingent on most TV viewers seeing reruns. But with that study or report you're quoting showing  90% of what shows up in movies and TV never gets watched more than once I will certainly get told.
 
2013-05-18 05:49:25 PM  
Any TV show or movie I plan to watch more than once, I  purchase. I don't keep renting it over and over.
 
2013-05-18 06:11:12 PM  

Autolychus2: kroonermanblack: Why do people just slam copy/paste text from music/movies/books/etc. in posts, and not make any comment? I'm sure glad you...put something in there.

Thanks.

No, really, thanks. That was helpful. Now go off and do something equally productive, like lick the paint off the walls.

I would say that, A. Because it was funny and B. Because, unlike your post, it actually had something to do with the topic (paying for songs you don't listen to). But I'm just guessing here. I could be wrong.


I've never found it funny, it's more obnoxious and disruptive.  LOOK SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ONCE AND I CAN GOOGLE IT LIKE A TRAINED PARROT!

And yes, fark threads are always so closely related to the articles they attach to that we sure can't deviate into discussion of social norms and rules on the forums, oh fark no, shame on me.
 
2013-05-18 06:30:21 PM  
Just go ahead and buy it already.

Steve Jobs would have just arranged a meeting for the pesky sony executive on this topic and yelled at him "We want to give you something but right now you're getting nothing." Or maybe he'd rip out the executive's heart and eat it raw with a side dish of endive salad.
 
2013-05-18 07:13:03 PM  

MightyPez: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How's it feel to be on the other end of a retarded patent claim, Apple? Suck it.

What patent claim? This is licensing negotiations for Sony's catalog of music.


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2013-05-18 07:59:20 PM  
So does Sony also want the radio stations to pay them the same rate when the listeners change stations in the middle of the song?

What if I get 2 minutes into an episode of Simpsons or Big Bang Theory I've seen a half dozen times and switch to something else, would Sony think it should be right that the content provider "charge" the station for my two minutes of viewing?

Economics is based on people providing resources or services in exchange for the utility they gain of another resource or service. "Skipping" is essentially telling someone that you reject the utility of the service. Sony's attitude proves that the business model is broken--the parties involved have no way to prove that sufficient benefit is provided to warrant an economic exchange.
 
2013-05-18 08:27:47 PM  

rolladuck: So does Sony also want the radio stations to pay them the same rate when the listeners change stations in the middle of the song?

What if I get 2 minutes into an episode of Simpsons or Big Bang Theory I've seen a half dozen times and switch to something else, would Sony think it should be right that the content provider "charge" the station for my two minutes of viewing?


That's the way traditional broadcast licensing works. They pay to broadcast it. Doesn't matter if anyone is actually listening or watching.
 
2013-05-18 08:44:11 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Dear Sony,

This is why people are still stealing music.

Hugs and kisses,

The Public




The Public is stealing music they don't want to listen to?
 
2013-05-18 08:54:07 PM  

MacWizard: That's the way traditional broadcast licensing works. They pay to broadcast it. Doesn't matter if anyone is actually listening or watching.


But when the ratings come out and they realize that they're not getting the audience they want, advertisers start paying less, which means the station isn't going to offer as much for the same product.  If the broadcaster content owner doesn't want to lower his price, the broadcaster orders a different show.
Naturally, there is a different arrangement for the big network affiliates, but in syndication, they have to negotiate for what the market will bear.

If people stop listening, it's a (slow) signal that your product is worthless, and it gets results.  In this business model, that signal is entirely ignored, and quite possibly is viewed perversely, since a bad product results in users "consuming" more products.

Imagine if the cereal aisle in a grocery store was random, unmarked boxes. You pay $3, you get whatever is in the box when you get it home, no refunds or exchanges. Oh, and EVERY grocery store in town works like this, you have no choice. If a third of the boxes are Mueslix, and everyone in town refuses to eat Mueslix, then the grocery store has no incentive to not stock Mueslix. In fact, they have MORE of a reason to stock it because if customers buy one, you know they'll be back to try to replace it with a cereal they want. Eventually, stores may make half the boxes Mueslix, so as to cash in on increased sales. In the meantime, the cereal manufacturers are making more Mueslix, because they think the town loves it--after all, it's selling! In this perverted economic system, productive solutions include allowing for free return or exchange whenever a customer gets a box of Mueslix, or to mark the boxes. But obviously allowing the continued production of Mueslix, or allowing the boxes to be unmarked is just bad.
That's what is going on here--you don't get to see what you are buying before it starts playing, and once you find out you're getting Mueslix, Apple has decided that you can't return it if you've had enough, because they can't "return" it to the manufacturer. It's the manufacturer refusing to accept that any defect could exist with their product, and making the decisions about what the customer wants FOR the customer--that is a perversion of the free economic system, all participants in a transaction must have veto power over the transaction for the system to remain healthy. This system removes veto power from the final consumer.
 
2013-05-18 09:24:33 PM  
worked in the 90s
 
2013-05-18 09:27:24 PM  

theurge14: MightyPez: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How's it feel to be on the other end of a retarded patent claim, Apple? Suck it.

What patent claim? This is licensing negotiations for Sony's catalog of music.

Forget it, he's rolling.


It was really more of a rhetorical question. I've noticed more and more  SacriliciousBeerSwillerdoesn't miss a chance to thread shiat if a thread is even tangentially Apple related.
 
2013-05-18 09:34:56 PM  

rolladuck: This system removes veto power from the final consumer.


No it doesn't.  No matter what happens here the end user (you and I) will still be able to veto (skip) the songs we don't want to hear.  The only thing that matters is how much revenue the title owner gets in return for music that is skipped.
 
2013-05-18 09:42:11 PM  
They should add a Skip ALWAYS button and a Skip Band Always button.  That would fix alot of the issue.  I'm sure Sony would love that solution.  Perhaps even a way to sinc banned lists with friends?
 
2013-05-18 09:49:06 PM  

TonyDanza: rolladuck: This system removes veto power from the final consumer.

No it doesn't.  No matter what happens here the end user (you and I) will still be able to veto (skip) the songs we don't want to hear.  The only thing that matters is how much revenue the title owner gets in return for music that is skipped.


If the title owner gets paid for music being skipped, then they have an incentive to sell bad music that people will skip. That's his point. Any veto would in fact be viewed as positive feedback monetarily speaking.
 
kab
2013-05-18 10:39:16 PM  

thistime: how about I skip the whole industry and continue to pay $0 for music since 1999


We know... you support the bands you like by going to shows.
 
2013-05-18 10:43:31 PM  

MightyPez: wax_on: RexTalionis: ZeroCorpse: I would never pay to subscribe to a music service. I don't like to rent my music, thanks.

Do you use Netflix?

Bad analogy.  Music you tend to listen to over and over, not just once.  TV or movies tend to be single view products.

Says who? If you're on Fark you're patently aware that isn't true with the breadth people repeat lines from TV shows and films.


Exactly. Thanks to Fark, I can quote movies I've never even seen once.

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2013-05-18 10:58:30 PM  

kroonermanblack: Autolychus2: kroonermanblack: Why do people just slam copy/paste text from music/movies/books/etc. in posts, and not make any comment? I'm sure glad you...put something in there.

Thanks.

No, really, thanks. That was helpful. Now go off and do something equally productive, like lick the paint off the walls.

I would say that, A. Because it was funny and B. Because, unlike your post, it actually had something to do with the topic (paying for songs you don't listen to). But I'm just guessing here. I could be wrong.

I've never found it funny, it's more obnoxious and disruptive.  LOOK SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ONCE AND I CAN GOOGLE IT LIKE A TRAINED PARROT!

And yes, fark threads are always so closely related to the articles they attach to that we sure can't deviate into discussion of social norms and rules on the forums, oh fark no, shame on me.


Dude, who pissed in your Cheerios?
 
2013-05-18 11:09:32 PM  
Does anybody have to get paid when you listen to a free 90-second preview on iTunes? The fark no they shouldn't get paid if you skip a song within 90 seconds.
 
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