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(Slate)   Now that the American economy has been reignited, Wal-Mart is losing customers left and right. This is bad news... for no one, really   (slate.com) divider line 31
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2013-05-18 02:03:53 PM
8 votes:
The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.
2013-05-18 02:12:13 PM
6 votes:
The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.
2013-05-18 02:34:24 PM
4 votes:

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.


Your jerbs all went to other countries, and the government rewarded the corporations for doing it.

Being able to pay people less to do the same work means more profit for American corporations, which results in a bigger GDP they can wave in your face, claiming America is still going strong while you wait in line for food stamps.
2013-05-18 02:08:14 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.


Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.
2013-05-18 04:01:11 PM
3 votes:
Don't you guys understand that "reignited" means "burned again?"
2013-05-18 02:10:13 PM
3 votes:
Lol at calling the economy reignited. Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American. There is a huge difference between what Washington and the media say vs reality. Without the creative accounting we're still farked.
2013-05-18 07:29:55 PM
2 votes:

TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.


When Black & Decker started selling in Walmart and they were far less expensive than in other stores, I bought identical electric screwdrivers and cracked them open. The one from Walmart had plastic gears where the one from the regular store (I think JC Pennys) had metal. Same brand, same model, completely different components inside.

Brand name companies are only in Walmart because they agreed to do things the Walmart way. After Sam Walton died, Walmart required its suppliers to go through specific channels for manufacturing in order to guarantee low cost products. In the case of established brand names, the process involved re-engineering the manufacturing process to meet price rather than quality standards. THis was the cost of placing your products in Walmart.

In theory, it was part of democratizing the marketplace. Once upon a time, manufacturers made things and that dictated what was available. Part of the Sam Walton philosophy was in moving the control to the retailer, and built his company up to the point where the company could dictate to manufacturers. When he was in charge, this control was aimed at promoting American-made products and low prices. They also treated their employees fairly decently. I have an aunt who worked for Walmart in a retail capacity for her entire career. She was treated FAR differently than more recent hires. They bent over backwards for her, helping with relocating expenses and making sure her MS expenses were covered by insurance. She worked in the fabric department her whole career. She never made "money" but it sustained her and they treated her very well.

Once Walton passed away, they very quickly changed philosophies. They decided that what was best for the US was to get us out of manufacturing, something they dismissed as dirty, dangerous and below the dignity of Americans to endure. This justified the pursuit of profits and marketshare above all else, and accruing more economic power to use as they saw fit. Thus the company we see today. They moved the marketplace power closer to the consumer but decreased the economic opportunities of Americans in the process. I think they also helped stoke the notion of using dollars politically by consumers by pissing off people to counter the "Walmartization" of the marketplace.
2013-05-18 03:51:57 PM
2 votes:
What Wal-mart doesn't realize (or wouldn't admit if they did) is that their stores are for people who have few other choices, due to to either location or economic hardship. In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary, or their customers are so farking poor (unemployed etc) that there's no where else they can go to get the stuff they need. When people can afford to spend more money and avoid the cheap chinese sh*t that breaks before you get it home, they will. That time is coming, and right soon.

During the height of the great recession they were a necessary evil, and their profits showed that... now that the economy is ticking upward they are the retailer of last resort, and their profits will show that too.

/fark'em
2013-05-18 02:50:36 PM
2 votes:
how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for a few profitable quarters work out?
Better open some stores in China....Assholes.

www.compguyusa.com
2013-05-18 02:38:18 PM
2 votes:

LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?


I'm not a Grammar NaziTM but why do people continue to put apostrophes before every s they type?  Chri'st that i's annoying a's hell!
2013-05-18 02:30:26 PM
2 votes:

Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.


It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.
2013-05-18 02:21:07 PM
2 votes:
The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.
2013-05-18 02:17:44 PM
2 votes:
"The American economy has been reignited..."

In other news, Big Brother has raised the chocolate ration to 20 grams a week.

Carry on.
2013-05-18 11:53:51 PM
1 votes:
Define "reignited"?
2013-05-18 11:53:47 PM
1 votes:
assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.
It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Fred Meyer's They have all that at similar prices with much nicer stores and fast check outs. The only down side I've come across is that on Sat afternoons, it gets pretty crowded in there.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

If you are an assistant manager. Peons start at minimum wage and get a medicaid application for medical coverage.

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?

Fred Meyer's starts it's people at $12.50/hour. They have a union and have vacation and sick time off as well as health insurance.
2013-05-18 06:38:18 PM
1 votes:
"Reignited" =/= "completely back to normal"

I swear, if something isn't solved instantly after a new person is hired/appointed/elected, they're declared a permanent failure by the peanut gallery.  This country is full of retards on EVERY side of the aisle.
2013-05-18 05:09:03 PM
1 votes:

Kevin Martin: Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American.


But I was told all that money would trickle down. You mean the rich lied to me?
2013-05-18 04:25:54 PM
1 votes:
Dear Subby

S&P 500 climbing to the stratosphere != reignited economy
2013-05-18 03:59:11 PM
1 votes:
I have, sadly, had to visit Wal-Marts in many different places across the south.

Nothing steams me more than being on the road and realizing that Wal-Mart is the only option. Due to either location or the hour of day said item is needed.

Sure Wal-Mart has lots of things but, customer service isn't one of them.

Give it a try. Walk in and ask for a specific item. If that person doesn't respond with either "I don't know I don't work in that area" or "it's over there" with a wave of the hand I would be amazed.

Also, I notice a lot of "similar" items. Not really what you want but, close.

All the people that come here and defend Wal-Mart and accuse others of being haters or snobs should realize that you sold your integrity for a few pennies off of an item that is "just as good" as what you really wanted. And since that is enough to get you to spend money there why would they bother trying even a little harder.

It's like the old joke:

God that restaurant's food is horrible!!!

Why do you eat their?

Well, they give you such huge portions.
2013-05-18 02:37:19 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.

Your jerbs all went to other countries, and the government rewarded the corporations for doing it.

Being able to pay people less to do the same work means more profit for American corporations, which results in a bigger GDP they can wave in your face, claiming America is still going strong while you wait in line for food stamps.


================

Not just in Murica, this show has gone on the road.   She what Krugman has to saw about the Irish "recovery".
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/that-hideous-strength/
2013-05-18 02:32:45 PM
1 votes:
I'm about to start shopping at WalMart.  I've never been more than a once or twice a year shopper, usually when I had to get stuff for office parties or picnics.
My hours have been cut by 4 hours per week/8 hours (one day) per paycheck.  Utilities are heading up.  And Wednesday, I underwent an emergency appendectomy, I'll have extra bills associated with that.  I figure their low cost staples will help me out.

/single
//Costco bulk is too much for a single person.
2013-05-18 02:30:43 PM
1 votes:

12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.


Target's what is nicer?
2013-05-18 02:30:33 PM
1 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.

Anecdotal evidence is Fark's favorite kind of evidence.


==========

OK, here's some more anecdotal evidence.   My 18 year old niece applied for over 50 mall type jobs without getting a single call back.

The fact remains that the labor participation rate is lower than it's been in 30 years.   Yah, jerbless "recovery"!
2013-05-18 02:26:29 PM
1 votes:

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.


=============

True, tech has eliminated lots of jobs....I don's see much demand for switchboard operators for example.   Tech has also created many new jobs.  So many new jobs, in fact, that our country can's seem to make babies fast enough, that's why we need to import millions of immigrants, and offshore entire industries.  Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.
2013-05-18 02:15:43 PM
1 votes:
Yes, reignited is the perfect description of our economy /fail
2013-05-18 02:15:22 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.
909
2013-05-18 02:13:20 PM
1 votes:

Infobahn: It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look


Or alternatively, 99 cent store, Dollar General approve
2013-05-18 01:59:11 PM
1 votes:
So the economy has been reignited?

THANKS SEQUESTER!!!
2013-05-18 01:58:22 PM
1 votes:
But what about muh brick & mortar jobs?
2013-05-18 01:58:00 PM
1 votes:
Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.
2013-05-18 01:57:07 PM
1 votes:
It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look
 
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