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(Slate)   Now that the American economy has been reignited, Wal-Mart is losing customers left and right. This is bad news... for no one, really   (slate.com ) divider line
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2013-05-18 01:57:07 PM  
It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look
 
2013-05-18 01:58:00 PM  
Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.
 
2013-05-18 01:58:22 PM  
But what about muh brick & mortar jobs?
 
2013-05-18 01:59:11 PM  
So the economy has been reignited?

THANKS SEQUESTER!!!
 
2013-05-18 02:01:12 PM  
Good.
 
2013-05-18 02:03:53 PM  
The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.
 
2013-05-18 02:07:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.


Me too, thanks for the reminder.

Carry on, 'tards.
 
2013-05-18 02:07:59 PM  
Slate article about Wal Mart...

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-18 02:08:14 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.


Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.
 
2013-05-18 02:08:29 PM  

cabbyman: So the economy has been reignited?

THANKS SEQUESTER!!!


Not really. A good statistician can do wonders with numbers.
 
2013-05-18 02:10:13 PM  
Lol at calling the economy reignited. Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American. There is a huge difference between what Washington and the media say vs reality. Without the creative accounting we're still farked.
 
2013-05-18 02:12:13 PM  
The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.
 
2013-05-18 02:12:42 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.


Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.
 
2013-05-18 02:13:03 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


Your block != the economy.  But you know that.
 
909
2013-05-18 02:13:20 PM  

Infobahn: It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look


Or alternatively, 99 cent store, Dollar General approve
 
2013-05-18 02:15:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.
 
2013-05-18 02:15:43 PM  
Yes, reignited is the perfect description of our economy /fail
 
2013-05-18 02:17:27 PM  
Thank god. Now maybe I can get through the express lane in less than 20 minutes.
 
2013-05-18 02:17:44 PM  
"The American economy has been reignited..."

In other news, Big Brother has raised the chocolate ration to 20 grams a week.

Carry on.
 
2013-05-18 02:21:07 PM  
The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.
 
2013-05-18 02:24:21 PM  

cabbyman: So the economy has been reignited?

THANKS SEQUESTER!!!


Thanks stimulus.
 
2013-05-18 02:24:57 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


Anecdotal evidence is Fark's favorite kind of evidence.
 
2013-05-18 02:26:05 PM  

909: Infobahn: It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look

Or alternatively, 99 cent store, Dollar General approve


Fair point.
 
2013-05-18 02:26:29 PM  

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.


=============

True, tech has eliminated lots of jobs....I don's see much demand for switchboard operators for example.   Tech has also created many new jobs.  So many new jobs, in fact, that our country can's seem to make babies fast enough, that's why we need to import millions of immigrants, and offshore entire industries.  Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.
 
2013-05-18 02:28:04 PM  
The economy has been reignited? I guess I missed that memo.

/just because the Obama sycophant media says something doesn't make it true.
 
2013-05-18 02:30:11 PM  
If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.
 
2013-05-18 02:30:26 PM  

Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.


It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.
 
2013-05-18 02:30:33 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.

Anecdotal evidence is Fark's favorite kind of evidence.


==========

OK, here's some more anecdotal evidence.   My 18 year old niece applied for over 50 mall type jobs without getting a single call back.

The fact remains that the labor participation rate is lower than it's been in 30 years.   Yah, jerbless "recovery"!
 
2013-05-18 02:30:43 PM  

12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.


Target's what is nicer?
 
2013-05-18 02:31:15 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


There are a few news one that have opened in Chicago as Wal-Mart expresses and they are pretty nice.
 
2013-05-18 02:32:03 PM  

12349876: Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.


Funny, I always seem to get exactly what I want when I shop there. Not once have I had to walk out with something other than the exact brand I was looking for. As for service, what exactly are you looking for? Would you like associates walking around offing assistance in picking out your new undies or trash bags? Never had any problems with cleanliness either. Every Walmart I've been to has been clean, well lit and clutter free. Perhaps you're referring to some of the people that shop there.
 
2013-05-18 02:32:45 PM  
I'm about to start shopping at WalMart.  I've never been more than a once or twice a year shopper, usually when I had to get stuff for office parties or picnics.
My hours have been cut by 4 hours per week/8 hours (one day) per paycheck.  Utilities are heading up.  And Wednesday, I underwent an emergency appendectomy, I'll have extra bills associated with that.  I figure their low cost staples will help me out.

/single
//Costco bulk is too much for a single person.
 
2013-05-18 02:33:11 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.


since you don't shop at walmart, how would you know about the selection, service, or cleanliness?
 
2013-05-18 02:33:31 PM  

12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM 99.999% of corporations are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.


===================

FIFY
 
2013-05-18 02:34:24 PM  

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.


Your jerbs all went to other countries, and the government rewarded the corporations for doing it.

Being able to pay people less to do the same work means more profit for American corporations, which results in a bigger GDP they can wave in your face, claiming America is still going strong while you wait in line for food stamps.
 
2013-05-18 02:37:19 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.

Your jerbs all went to other countries, and the government rewarded the corporations for doing it.

Being able to pay people less to do the same work means more profit for American corporations, which results in a bigger GDP they can wave in your face, claiming America is still going strong while you wait in line for food stamps.


================

Not just in Murica, this show has gone on the road.   She what Krugman has to saw about the Irish "recovery".
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/that-hideous-strength/
 
2013-05-18 02:38:18 PM  

LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?


I'm not a Grammar NaziTM but why do people continue to put apostrophes before every s they type?  Chri'st that i's annoying a's hell!
 
2013-05-18 02:39:37 PM  

LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?


Ignore that. It's a Michigander dialect tendency. For some reason, the people in this region feel the need to put an apostrophe "s" on the end of most business names that don't already end with an "s". Target's, Meijer's, Walmart's, Bell Tire's, etc.

Example of Michigan dialect:

"I'm gunna goda Target's fer melk, and then stoppat Speedway's fergass annoil."
 
2013-05-18 02:43:20 PM  
I shop at Aldi for food and basic stuff. I end up at a nearby Walmart to pick up the few things I can't get at Aldi.

I do hate shopping there, though... Mostly because they will frequently have one cashier working at a time, and the U-Scan terminals are frequently out of order.

That, and the shuffling masses of dumb and crazy that frequent the place can be off-putting. Not everyone is like that, but it seems like the ones who are, prefer Walmart.
 
2013-05-18 02:45:07 PM  

ZeroCorpse: and the U-Scan terminals are frequently out of order.


There's a WalMart near me now, well it's not a full tilt WalMart it's basically a WalMart supermarket. I happened in there a couple weeks ago and at 10:25 PM, 35 minutes before the store closes, all the U-Scan's were shut down. I could not for the life of me understand that.
 
2013-05-18 02:45:42 PM  
media.komonews.com
Well, bye.
 
2013-05-18 02:45:54 PM  
The economy is still bad. Wal-Mart is losing customers to the dollar stores Besides when you shop at a dollar store you don't have to get all dressed up like you're going to Wal-Mart.
 
2013-05-18 02:46:13 PM  
reignited?

hehe. Glasses, rose colored. Economy is still in the dumper, big time.
 
2013-05-18 02:47:52 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.


Kmart is still around, and they still kind of suck. They pay poorly (minimum wage with no raises, ever), treat employees like indentured servants, and have stores that are so run-down and dilapidated that it's a wonder they don't just crumble under the stress of some of the gigantic wildebeests that shop there.

They bought Sears (not the other way around) and put all their resources into making Sears the lead brand. They did that by pulling most of their resources and effort from the Kmart side of their business.
 
2013-05-18 02:50:23 PM  
Walmart's sales are down? I blame 2bama.
 
2013-05-18 02:50:36 PM  
how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for a few profitable quarters work out?
Better open some stores in China....Assholes.

www.compguyusa.com
 
2013-05-18 02:54:13 PM  

Infobahn: It would be interesting to see if Target or Costco sales are higher.  Aspirational shoppers.

/too lazy to look


Done in one.

This article is the first one that has ever made me want to reach through my monitor and strangle the author for being such a farktard. Even beyond Palintard.

The writer goes above and beyond the sheer ranks of stupidity (by not comparing apples to apples in the first place) by citing another of his own fricking articles as a reference to prove his case.  And his stupidity worsens...  his previous article completely negates his current hypothesis:

What is true is that "general merchandise stores" (department stores and similar) suffered a 4 percent decline. That's ugly. But autos were up, grocery stores were up, apparel stores were up, restaurants were up, and the exciting nonstore retailers category soared 14 percent.



So basically department stores in general took a hit.  Which is probably why the tard didn't compare sales from similar stores in this article.  And to compare Walmart to Whole Foods???  Fricking tard.
 
2013-05-18 02:57:36 PM  
The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.
 
2013-05-18 02:58:14 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


There are what, about 10 average houses per city block?  If we are to assume that your block is average, that would mean about a 30% foreclosure rate.

Of course, this is farking ridiculous and we both know it.  We can only conclude that your block is not average.  That, or you're lying.  Either way, there is your answer.
 
2013-05-18 03:03:47 PM  

Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here

who demand a first world wage for their skills!

There I finished your comment for you
 
2013-05-18 03:11:07 PM  
I never make New Year's Resolutions, but I made an exception this year.  It was to stop going to Wal-Mart.

I just don't trust their meat and produce, plus I'm tired of looking at the mutants that shop there.
 
2013-05-18 03:12:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.


BuhBye now
 
2013-05-18 03:15:19 PM  

Azlefty: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here who demand a first world wage for their skills!

There I finished your comment for you


If they want a first world wage, let them go to a first world country, like Japan or Germany.
 
2013-05-18 03:15:55 PM  
By "reignited" subby means "set on fire."
 
2013-05-18 03:17:01 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


Agreed. However, and this is one of my primary complaints- I waited in line last night for nearly half an hour. This is common occurrence at our local WalMart, and typically it can be avoided by going at certain times of day. I got stuck last night with no other options than to go around 8pm- a black hole of time where checkers never exist.
 
2013-05-18 03:17:17 PM  
The Walmart closest to me recently added 8 self checkout machines. Those things are awesome, I usually grab all my change from the week and use that. I also don't trust their meat or produce, but I have Sprouts for that. $3.99/lb for grass fed beef ftw!
 
2013-05-18 03:17:20 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


Go into L.A, and tell us what you find; Walmart staffs to the location,OC is fairly affluent (even Santa Ana) so they have higher standards of upkeep and the product mix reflects that, go to Compton or Watts and you see a true example of the average Walmart.

Also I did not see these lovlies the last time I was at Southcoast and in Nordstroms or Sears.
media.peopleofwalmart.com

media.peopleofwalmart.com

media.peopleofwalmart.com
 
2013-05-18 03:17:34 PM  
There is no such thing as a jobless recovery. It's as empty as saying a treeless forest.
 
2013-05-18 03:22:53 PM  
BuhBye now
 
2013-05-18 03:27:48 PM  
Walmart = morbos.  So many morbos.
 
2013-05-18 03:29:44 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


You're lying.
Or that Walmart only recently opened.
There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.
 
2013-05-18 03:36:53 PM  

dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.


Yes, they only sell cheap Chinese knockoffs.
 
2013-05-18 03:42:06 PM  

ZeroCorpse: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Kmart is still around, and they still kind of suck. They pay poorly (minimum wage with no raises, ever), treat employees like indentured servants, and have stores that are so run-down and dilapidated that it's a wonder they don't just crumble under the stress of some of the gigantic wildebeests that shop there.

They bought Sears (not the other way around) and put all their resources into making Sears the lead brand. They did that by pulling most of their resources and effort from the Kmart side of their business.


12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.


I don't know what side of town you two live/shop in but the K Marts around here are pretty nice, they're on par with Target or any store you would find in a mall. Years ago they were the bottom of the rung as far as box stores go but in the last 8-10 years they've really upscaled themselves.
 
2013-05-18 03:43:01 PM  

dstrick44: You're lying.
Or that Walmart only recently opened.
There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.


It has been a year or So since I was in the OC but the Stores I went ot in Santa Ana and H.B. were pretty clean and were staffed,here in the Central Valley they are the scum holes you have come to expect
 
2013-05-18 03:49:25 PM  

dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.


They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.
 
2013-05-18 03:50:38 PM  

GleeUnit: Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.

Your block != the economy.  But you know that.


Same thing on my block. Was surprised to see 3 auction signs pop up in the last week.
 
2013-05-18 03:51:57 PM  
What Wal-mart doesn't realize (or wouldn't admit if they did) is that their stores are for people who have few other choices, due to to either location or economic hardship. In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary, or their customers are so farking poor (unemployed etc) that there's no where else they can go to get the stuff they need. When people can afford to spend more money and avoid the cheap chinese sh*t that breaks before you get it home, they will. That time is coming, and right soon.

During the height of the great recession they were a necessary evil, and their profits showed that... now that the economy is ticking upward they are the retailer of last resort, and their profits will show that too.

/fark'em
 
2013-05-18 03:51:58 PM  

Farty McPooPants: LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?

I'm not a Grammar NaziTM but why do people continue to put apostrophes before every s they type?  Chri'st that i's annoying a's hell!


That apostrophe was appropriate.
It was a righteous contraction.
 
2013-05-18 03:56:31 PM  
I know I'm dissing the CW here, but maybe their problems have less to do with morality, keynesian economics, jobs, or even prices, and are related to their stores being disorganized, poorly staffed, stocked with nothing that isn't on the ceo's radar this week and 20 years of cobsumerist-worthy nostalgia items.

And they make you stand in line to check out. Circuit City used to do that. So did COMPASS. With astonishingly predictable results.
 
2013-05-18 03:58:32 PM  

rewind2846: What Wal-mart doesn't realize (or wouldn't admit if they did) is that their stores are for people who have few other choices, due to to either location or economic hardship. In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary, or their customers are so farking poor (unemployed etc) that there's no where else they can go to get the stuff they need. When people can afford to spend more money and avoid the cheap chinese sh*t that breaks before you get it home, they will. That time is coming, and right soon.

During the height of the great recession they were a necessary evil, and their profits showed that... now that the economy is ticking upward they are the retailer of last resort, and their profits will show that too.

/fark'em


If you think they don't know that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you. They didn't have any big box stores in Chicago for a few reasons, but they rolled out essentially a bunch of large grocery stores on the south side (and downtown too actually) to give the "so farking poor" a place where they can actually shop and get decent groceries. They've definitely had a few upscale initiatives, but Walmart is very well aware of the consumer base.
 
2013-05-18 03:59:11 PM  
I have, sadly, had to visit Wal-Marts in many different places across the south.

Nothing steams me more than being on the road and realizing that Wal-Mart is the only option. Due to either location or the hour of day said item is needed.

Sure Wal-Mart has lots of things but, customer service isn't one of them.

Give it a try. Walk in and ask for a specific item. If that person doesn't respond with either "I don't know I don't work in that area" or "it's over there" with a wave of the hand I would be amazed.

Also, I notice a lot of "similar" items. Not really what you want but, close.

All the people that come here and defend Wal-Mart and accuse others of being haters or snobs should realize that you sold your integrity for a few pennies off of an item that is "just as good" as what you really wanted. And since that is enough to get you to spend money there why would they bother trying even a little harder.

It's like the old joke:

God that restaurant's food is horrible!!!

Why do you eat their?

Well, they give you such huge portions.
 
2013-05-18 03:59:32 PM  
This is bad news... for no one, really China
 
2013-05-18 04:01:11 PM  
Don't you guys understand that "reignited" means "burned again?"
 
2013-05-18 04:06:31 PM  

lilbjorn: This is bad news... for no one, really China




China still makes everything, Walmarts just getting cut out by the internet. For me, Walmart is a convenience thing.. they usually have something good enough for what I need at any time of day, so I just go there to have it now.

I personally have had to tighten my belt in all areas over the last year, and one of the primary ways is by ordering all my chinese made crap online. A $10 cable from walmart is still $2 shipped online.. i paid ten cents per watch battery shipped from china, rather than getting two for like 4 bucks. Plastic organizers.. machine parts.. order so much these days, and it saves me a fortune.
 
2013-05-18 04:09:18 PM  

MisterTweak: I know I'm dissing the CW here, but maybe their problems have less to do with morality, keynesian economics, jobs, or even prices, and are related to their stores being disorganized, poorly staffed, stocked with nothing that isn't on the ceo's radar this week and 20 years of cobsumerist-worthy nostalgia items.

And they make you stand in line to check out. Circuit City used to do that. So did COMPASS. With astonishingly predictable results.


"Keynesian" economics? Because Obama is in conplete control of the economy, you racist asshat.
 
2013-05-18 04:09:39 PM  
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-05-18 04:10:56 PM  

ZeroCorpse: LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?

Ignore that. It's a Michigander dialect tendency. For some reason, the people in this region feel the need to put an apostrophe "s" on the end of most business names that don't already end with an "s". Target's, Meijer's, Walmart's, Bell Tire's, etc.

Example of Michigan dialect:

"I'm gunna goda Target's fer melk, and then stoppat Speedway's fergass annoil."


What is that? Yooper? Because it does not sound like the mid-Michigan dialect I'm familiar with. And I grew up here.

Meijer does tend to get turned into Meijer's. That's more of an old cultural habit, dating back to the early decades of the company. Meijer really was Meijer's (plus grocery, supermarket, thrifty acres, etc...) up until around 1965, according to that timeline. Habits are slow to change.

Apparently Target used to be Dayton's, however, so I have no idea where "Target's" came from. Must be part of the mystery Michigan dialect you're referring to.

/Meijer really is a nice chain, though.
//Definitely prefer it to Wally World.
 
2013-05-18 04:12:18 PM  

stryed: [sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk image 600x700]


I just realized that there is another meaning..I hope Tinkle bell won't have to go into prostitution...
 
2013-05-18 04:13:04 PM  

rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary


Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.
 
2013-05-18 04:13:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

Yes, they only sell cheap Chinese knockoffs.


If you want melamine in your milk or baby formula, Walmart is your source.
If you buy name brands and not Sam's Choice, prices are comparable anywhere.
The clothes and shoes literally fall apart. And they consistently open 1 out of 12 checkout lines.
Whole departments go unmanned after 6:00 or so, but that's only a problem if you work days.
And don't get me started on the well documented depressing effect Walmart has on communities.
The only reason I go there is they closed ALL the locally owned stores in my town. If I need socks there is literally nowhere else to go.
Not to mention the "Dead Peasant" policies that Walmart execs seem to have invented.
Now why don't you do something more honorable, like shill for human traffickers or something. Walmart is not going to have sex with you.
 
2013-05-18 04:16:29 PM  

kona: how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for a few profitable quarters work out?
Better open some stores in China....Assholes.

[www.compguyusa.com image 592x280]


Kona Walmart has stores in China.  http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/

s21.postimg.org
 
2013-05-18 04:16:32 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: MisterTweak: I know I'm dissing the CW here, but maybe their problems have less to do with morality, keynesian economics, jobs, or even prices, and are related to their stores being disorganized, poorly staffed, stocked with nothing that isn't on the ceo's radar this week and 20 years of cobsumerist-worthy nostalgia items.

And they make you stand in line to check out. Circuit City used to do that. So did COMPASS. With astonishingly predictable results.

"Keynesian" economics? Because Obama is in conplete control of the economy, you racist asshat.


Auto correct on my cell phone is a biatch. Had to threaten to strangle it just to type that word. I meant "CompUSA".
 
2013-05-18 04:17:54 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


If you have the Supercenters yeah. (They're still a little too chaotic for my taste).

But the Wal-Mart by me isn't a supercenter and yet they try to shove as much stuff into the small space that they have which results in crowded and narrow aisles and to top it off, hardly any checkout stands open (5 open checkout stands out of a possible of 25 is not ok with me).

I think the Wal-Mart philosophy is that if it isn't a brand new supercenter, then treat it like the red-headed stepchild.
 
2013-05-18 04:20:58 PM  

ZeroCorpse: LDM90: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Target's what is nicer?

Ignore that. It's a Michigander dialect tendency. For some reason, the people in this region feel the need to put an apostrophe "s" on the end of most business names that don't already end with an "s". Target's, Meijer's, Walmart's, Bell Tire's, etc.

Example of Michigan dialect:

"I'm gunna goda Target's fer melk, and then stoppat Speedway's fergass annoil."


I know people who call Kroger, "Krogers".

I guess now I know where that comes from because it drives me nuts.
 
2013-05-18 04:22:31 PM  

WhyteRaven74: ZeroCorpse: and the U-Scan terminals are frequently out of order.

There's a WalMart near me now, well it's not a full tilt WalMart it's basically a WalMart supermarket. I happened in there a couple weeks ago and at 10:25 PM, 35 minutes before the store closes, all the U-Scan's were shut down. I could not for the life of me understand that.


They replaced all the U-Scan ones in my Wal-Mart with more checkout stands that are never open.

The one by me really is a dump.
 
2013-05-18 04:25:54 PM  
Dear Subby

S&P 500 climbing to the stratosphere != reignited economy
 
2013-05-18 04:31:04 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.


Is it me, or do we go through this every decade with a different major chain?  I seem to remember years ago everyone wailing and rending their garments because Sears...then, the quintessential American big box store...was looking poorly.

Meh.
 
2013-05-18 04:32:58 PM  

Fissile: studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.

=============

True, tech has eliminated lots of jobs....I don's see much demand for switchboard operators for example.   Tech has also created many new jobs.  So many new jobs, in fact, that our country can's seem to make babies fast enough, that's why we need to import millions of immigrants, and offshore entire industries.  Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.


I've heard it said tech companies want H1 workers because they're too cheap to do corporate training like they used to, and too ageist to hire older programmers and engineers like they should...
 
2013-05-18 04:34:29 PM  

vabeard: I'm about to start shopping at WalMart.  I've never been more than a once or twice a year shopper, usually when I had to get stuff for office parties or picnics.
My hours have been cut by 4 hours per week/8 hours (one day) per paycheck.  Utilities are heading up.  And Wednesday, I underwent an emergency appendectomy, I'll have extra bills associated with that.  I figure their low cost staples will help me out.


Heh...all I could think is "surgical staples...not really the best place to economize"...
 
2013-05-18 04:37:05 PM  

Fissile: J. Frank Parnell: studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right.

Your jerbs all went to other countries, and the government rewarded the corporations for doing it.

Being able to pay people less to do the same work means more profit for American corporations, which results in a bigger GDP they can wave in your face, claiming America is still going strong while you wait in line for food stamps.

================

Not just in Murica, this show has gone on the road.   She what Krugman has to saw about the Irish "recovery".
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/that-hideous-strength/


You mean the austerity wingnuts have been lying about that ALSO?  I'm shocked.

/no, no I'm not
//they're probably Harvard guys, don't know how to use Excel without three secretaries and an intern...
 
2013-05-18 04:37:58 PM  
K Mart, Walmart, JC Penny's, Montgomery Wards, Radio Shack and other brick & mortar suffer the same problem -- bad management.  From shifting inventories to insider trading seems retail gets the runt of management litter.  My guess is selling short for quick profit causes most problems including farking hourly employees.

RIP good management
 
2013-05-18 04:40:49 PM  

SmithHiller: The economy is still bad. Wal-Mart is losing customers to the dollar stores Besides when you shop at a dollar store you don't have to get all dressed up like you're going to Wal-Mart.


Eh, real estate is heating back up in Mass, and my long-term partly-unemployed buddy down in NYC has finally gotten a decent fulltime gig.

I slapped a resume on Monster, just for giggles...and got a few sales hits, without even trying.  Legit calls, too, not just trolling or headhunters...I went on a couple interviews, just to see what was on offer.  Decent benefit packages, training, etc.

Three points aren't much data, but not everything is bleak everywhere...
 
2013-05-18 04:42:25 PM  

iron_city_ap: The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.


Would've been really funny if you'd tried to pay with a drawing of a spider...
 
2013-05-18 04:45:55 PM  

stryed: stryed: [sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk image 600x700]

I just realized that there is another meaning..I hope Tinkle bell won't have to go into prostitution...


There's a joke in there about fairies and golden showers...
 
2013-05-18 04:49:15 PM  
economy is fine, just fine.

www.breakingcopy.com
clipandfollow.com
 
2013-05-18 04:59:27 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


Our Walmarts are stocked with People of Walmart and criminally low staff levels, leading to it taking more time to check out than to find what you need.

Down with Walmart, I only stop in there every month or two for two things they stock I can't get elsewhere: caffeine pills and cheap jar candles.
 
2013-05-18 04:59:31 PM  

kona: how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for two decades work out?

[www.compguyusa.com image 592x280]


FTFY.
 
2013-05-18 05:00:34 PM  

Astorix: There is no such thing as a jobless recovery. It's as empty as saying a treeless forest.


The recovery isn't jobless. But I suppose if we cut those job killing regulations we'd all be millionaires.

/zero taxes
 
2013-05-18 05:09:03 PM  

Kevin Martin: Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American.


But I was told all that money would trickle down. You mean the rich lied to me?
 
2013-05-18 05:11:58 PM  

Alonjar: A $10 cable from walmart is still $2 shipped online.. i paid ten cents per watch battery shipped from china, rather than getting two for like 4 bucks. Plastic organizers.. machine parts.. order so much these days, and it saves me a fortune.


That's quite a dungeon you're building.
 
2013-05-18 05:15:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.


Staples is offering 3D printing services.  I'm waiting for the first guy who gets busted for ordering a statue of a naked child.
 
2013-05-18 05:15:20 PM  

12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.


Every Walmart I have visited here in Texas is a shiathole staffed with the dregs of humanity. And yes I shop there before you once again prove your stupidity by putting words in people's mouths unfortunately the only alternative around here is BGC which is even worse.
 
2013-05-18 05:16:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Thank god. Now maybe I can get through the express lane in less than 20 minutes.


If Walmart wants to know why their sales are slipping, this right here is the answer . I shouldn't have to wait thirty minutes to check out because your idea of improving profits is to cut your expenses to the point you have literally no one in the store check people out for what minimal things they were able to actually able to find in the store, since you've also cut staff so much there is no one to actually stock the shelves. No this isn't anecdotal. Its happening all across the country in their stores, but so long as they keep cutting that payroll to make the expense line and show Wall Street "see! We're managing expenses better than anyone!" , then this shiat will continue. They can blame whatever economic forces they like. But they should start with the force of suits in Bentonville first
 
2013-05-18 05:25:33 PM  
Destroy the chain stores and restaurants and the economy will revive. The economy hates  monopolistic endeavors.
 
2013-05-18 05:27:53 PM  
 
2013-05-18 05:28:13 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Me too, thanks for the reminder.

Carry on, 'tards.


^THESE^
 
2013-05-18 05:31:54 PM  
I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.
 
2013-05-18 05:32:30 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


That just shows your neighbors are deadbeats. My household just crossed over to having a six-figure income with my last raise.
 
2013-05-18 05:37:52 PM  

TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.


And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.
 
2013-05-18 05:41:29 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


You obviously have not been to the WalMart de Puerto Rico in East Orlando.
 
2013-05-18 05:44:49 PM  

assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.


It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?
 
2013-05-18 05:44:50 PM  
The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.
 
2013-05-18 05:48:28 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.


Or the other side of the coin being that the economy would be reignited if businesses would make an effort to directly hire & train the unemployed (US citizens) up to the standard.

/IDGAF if that wasn't serious
 
2013-05-18 05:50:59 PM  
IT'S MY FAULT!


the problem I'm having is I can only fit so much in my van.
 
2013-05-18 05:56:30 PM  
The first of what Walmart said were a new chain of pure grocery stores opened up in August a few blocks from me last August here in Huntington Beach. The meat department which is the core of every food chain and leads the weekly sales circular of Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons and Stater Bros. is more expensive than anything but Bristol Farms and Gelsons which are located in multimillion dollar neighborhoods like Newport Beach. I thought it was a newby mistake but the prices haven't come down since so if the rest if the stores are similarly priced it would be a fatal flaw in their pricing strategy.
 
2013-05-18 05:58:44 PM  
The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.
 
2013-05-18 06:00:33 PM  

lilbjorn: This is bad news... for no one, really China


yes, because Target, Costco, Kroger, Walgreens etc don't sell Chinese made products.. genius.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:25 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.


With very few of them selling what WalMart does. Example: at the walmart nearest to me there is a strip mall. The only stores that still survive at that strip mall are Staples (specialist office supplies and computers), a christian bookstore, Michaels crafts store, a pizza place, and four other specialty stores. They all still exist because they are specialized to the point that the walmart doesn't carry what they do, nor do they offer the customer service they do.

This past semester I had to have a particular type of paper for a project, in a color that wasn't white and a size that wasn't A4. Didn't even think about walmart, because if it isn't 8.5x11 and white, they don't carry it. Staples was able to custom order what I needed AND text messaged me when it was in. Then I went next door to the Michaels and got the rest of what I needed.

Point is that it probably isn't "dozens", but a few... and only those stores which walmart hasn't found fit to offer in it's product lines. Fast food, real books (the kind without pictures), sh*t like that. Walmart is the lowest common denominator, and that's who they sell to.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:32 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?


Yeah if prosperity looks like the appocalypse then my neighborhood is on the rebound.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:35 PM  
Subby HOW can you SAY that???  The poor Walmart heirs might be only worth 12 third world countries, instead of 15.  EVERYONE PANIC!!!!1111!!!!
 
2013-05-18 06:06:15 PM  

dstrick44: Popcorn Johnny: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

Yes, they only sell cheap Chinese knockoffs.

If you want melamine in your milk or baby formula, Walmart is your source.
If you buy name brands and not Sam's Choice, prices are comparable anywhere.
The clothes and shoes literally fall apart. And they consistently open 1 out of 12 checkout lines.
Whole departments go unmanned after 6:00 or so, but that's only a problem if you work days.
And don't get me started on the well documented depressing effect Walmart has on communities.
The only reason I go there is they closed ALL the locally owned stores in my town. If I need socks there is literally nowhere else to go.
Not to mention the "Dead Peasant" policies that Walmart execs seem to have invented.
Now why don't you do something more honorable, like shill for human traffickers or something. Walmart is not going to have sex with you.


You can't order socks online?
 
2013-05-18 06:13:20 PM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


Yeah, here in town the nice Wal-Mart is surrounded by gates communities and golf courses, and its really nice. The other two Wal-Marts are surrounded by section 8 housing and migrant worker camps, and they're basically bombed out shiatpiles.
 
2013-05-18 06:13:24 PM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


Don't care about clientele... as much as I care about the workers. The BIGGEST difference in terms of my personal shopping experience at WM has been the race of the workers there. When it comes to the typical lower wage blue collar type work at WM, I've found white WM worker bees in general to be far much better workers than the black worker bees.

Of course the asshole billionaire white Wall Street white collar types pretty much cancels out the minimum wagers.
 
2013-05-18 06:15:27 PM  

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.


Not exactly what I was thinking, but pretty close to the same point.  Compared to even 3 years ago the economy is at least stable.  4 years ago even I was hoarding food and thinking 'should I put my investment portfolio in ammo, or crowbars and a CDL so I know how to drive off with a store full of food at once?'.  Is it where it once was? No.  And till we figure out some solutions it never will be again.  But once the housing market finally hit rock bottom it stopped nose-diving at least.
 
2013-05-18 06:26:07 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


CSB time: I once worked as a lab tech where the overpaid, undermotivaed PhD wanted me to organize a set of drawers. He told me to order the drawer organizer things from a fancy scientific catalogue. The equivant of a silverwear tray was like $30. Overpaid, undermotivaed PhD guy said, "Science is expensive." So I went to Walmart and got to physically look over their much cheaper actually useful selection of various organizers and probably saved the college a hundred bucks and got a better result.
 
2013-05-18 06:33:58 PM  
Of course the economy has been reignited.

You can't burn something to the ground unless you light it first!
 
2013-05-18 06:38:18 PM  
"Reignited" =/= "completely back to normal"

I swear, if something isn't solved instantly after a new person is hired/appointed/elected, they're declared a permanent failure by the peanut gallery.  This country is full of retards on EVERY side of the aisle.
 
2013-05-18 07:17:15 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

CSB time: I once worked as a lab tech where the overpaid, undermotivaed PhD wanted me to organize a set of drawers. He told me to order the drawer organizer things from a fancy scientific catalogue. The equivant of a silverwear tray was like $30. Overpaid, undermotivaed PhD guy said, "Science is expensive." So I went to Walmart and got to physically look over their much cheaper actually useful selection of various organizers and probably saved the college a hundred bucks and got a better result.


=============

Resorted to personal initiative and being resourceful without the consent of your betters?  Did you get fired immediately?

/Got fired once for figuring out how to the job done myself
// Learned my lesson
 
2013-05-18 07:23:29 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know what side of town you two live/shop in but the K Marts around here are pretty nice,


I haven't been in a K Mart in a while admittedly, but what I do know is there were 5 K Marts in my city in the 80s and now there's only 1.
 
2013-05-18 07:28:13 PM  
I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart
 
2013-05-18 07:29:55 PM  

TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.


When Black & Decker started selling in Walmart and they were far less expensive than in other stores, I bought identical electric screwdrivers and cracked them open. The one from Walmart had plastic gears where the one from the regular store (I think JC Pennys) had metal. Same brand, same model, completely different components inside.

Brand name companies are only in Walmart because they agreed to do things the Walmart way. After Sam Walton died, Walmart required its suppliers to go through specific channels for manufacturing in order to guarantee low cost products. In the case of established brand names, the process involved re-engineering the manufacturing process to meet price rather than quality standards. THis was the cost of placing your products in Walmart.

In theory, it was part of democratizing the marketplace. Once upon a time, manufacturers made things and that dictated what was available. Part of the Sam Walton philosophy was in moving the control to the retailer, and built his company up to the point where the company could dictate to manufacturers. When he was in charge, this control was aimed at promoting American-made products and low prices. They also treated their employees fairly decently. I have an aunt who worked for Walmart in a retail capacity for her entire career. She was treated FAR differently than more recent hires. They bent over backwards for her, helping with relocating expenses and making sure her MS expenses were covered by insurance. She worked in the fabric department her whole career. She never made "money" but it sustained her and they treated her very well.

Once Walton passed away, they very quickly changed philosophies. They decided that what was best for the US was to get us out of manufacturing, something they dismissed as dirty, dangerous and below the dignity of Americans to endure. This justified the pursuit of profits and marketshare above all else, and accruing more economic power to use as they saw fit. Thus the company we see today. They moved the marketplace power closer to the consumer but decreased the economic opportunities of Americans in the process. I think they also helped stoke the notion of using dollars politically by consumers by pissing off people to counter the "Walmartization" of the marketplace.
 
2013-05-18 07:38:15 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart




I went in to find an air filter for my car (Nissan) and they were out. In fact, 1/2 the shelves with air filters were empty. They are having issues getting the shelves stocked in my area.
 
2013-05-18 07:40:27 PM  
The only losers here are the fine folks that run PoWM.

/came for PoWM pix, leaving satisfied but with a taste of vomit
 
2013-05-18 07:52:26 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


Dude, you live in Hoboken.
 
2013-05-18 07:53:22 PM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-18 08:22:52 PM  

Canton: ZeroCorpse: LDM90: 12349876: J

Apparently Target used to be Dayton's, however, so I have no idea where "Target's" came from. Must be part of the mystery Michigan dialect you're referring to.

/Meijer really is a nice chain, though.
//Definitely prefer it to Wally World.


Target is a spin off of Dayton (or Dayton's).  Dayton's didn't survive (It was a department store, high end like Dillard's or something), and Target was an attempt at a better Sears/Kmart.  It still is.  It's too bad that Woolworth went south, they would be primed for a revival considering how much we're earning now a days.

/I won't shop at Walmart.  Just because
//of this stuff

///Cub Foods is just another attempt at a warehouse.  They didn't have the department store stuff though, only food.  Owned by Super Valu NYSE symbol SVU
 
2013-05-18 08:27:18 PM  
Wal-Mart here (mid-TN, not Nashville---west of there) is really decent as far as cleanliness, prices, pharmacy, food selection, etc.  The optical center is great!   Bad parts: I know several people who work there and are treated like shiat by management; never buy Wal-Mart gas (it's about 1/2 water); never, ever get an oil change from their auto dept, if you value your transportation.
 
2013-05-18 08:29:44 PM  

Kevin Martin: Lol at calling the economy reignited. Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American. There is a huge difference between what Washington and the media say vs reality. Without the creative accounting we're still farked.

So

much this.
 
2013-05-18 08:37:15 PM  
Last two visits to a new Walmart superstore they built across the street from the old regular one:

1.   waited 40 minutes for a clerk to fill out a fishing licence when i was headed north for the weekend of fishing on a friday night.

2.  waited 30 plus minutes for someone to cut my daughter some fabric for a school project she needed to do by the next day.

Both times I had to wander around trying to find someone with a walkie talkie to get assistance and neither time did anyone show up until I finally grabbed a manager, then still had to wait a few minutes for someone with a GED education to help me.  I like that they are cheap for off the shelf crap but their employees/service is shiat.
 
2013-05-18 08:43:07 PM  
Dollar General has been opening a bunch of stores around here.  Stuff we used to need to go to Target or Wal-Mart for is now available within walking distance at a competitive price.  We don't go to Wal-Mart unless we absolutely have to anymore - we're sick of having to wait so damn long to check out and having to get around all the pallets in the aisles, and hearing them yell at employees over the intercom... not worth it when we can get what we need at DG.  Some of DGs prices are a 25 cents or so higher, but so what?  We'd burn a lot more in that in gas anyway and it'll be over an hour's trip, instead of a few minutes.

/new carniceria opened down the street as well
//stock up on veggies at the Mexican grocery and that finishes off the week's shopping
 
2013-05-18 08:46:41 PM  

Tourney3p0: Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.

There are what, about 10 average houses per city block?  If we are to assume that your block is average, that would mean about a 30% foreclosure rate.

Of course, this is farking ridiculous and we both know it.  We can only conclude that your block is not average.  That, or you're lying.  Either way, there is your answer.


It depends on where he is from. In Detroit you can drive for blocks and see nothing but old shells of homes, maybe with one occupied house here and there.
 
2013-05-18 08:55:01 PM  

redmid17: If you think they don't know that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you.


I'll buy your bridge and then I'll put toll booths on it and make a fortune.
 
2013-05-18 09:06:01 PM  

knightmike: redmid17: If you think they don't know that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you.

I'll buy your bridge and then I'll put toll booths on it and make a fortune.


I'll send an ill maintained bus full of people over your toll bridge save even more money by hiring a dude who hasn't been able to keep any other job to drive it, and if it crashes and kills people and screws up your bridge I'll shift the blame to a mechanic declare bankruptcy  take the maintenance money I saved on maintenance and go retire in Hawaii.  Have fun raising tolls to fix your bridge u little arshole.  lolz

/always a bigger arsehole in the sea
 
2013-05-18 09:14:48 PM  

aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.


Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?
 
2013-05-18 09:15:49 PM  
I, for one, will not be satisfied until every single employee of wal-mart becomes unemployed and homeless. Maybe we should just put the lot of them against the wall and shoot them.
 
2013-05-18 09:16:31 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, here in town the nice Wal-Mart is surrounded by gates communities and golf courses, and its really nice. The other two Wal-Marts are surrounded by section 8 housing and migrant worker camps, and they're basically bombed out shiatpiles.


Both were built with the corruption of city officials to ensure that they wouldn't have tons of citizens filing objections.
 
2013-05-18 09:19:08 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?


The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.
 
2013-05-18 09:20:03 PM  

cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.


Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.
 
2013-05-18 09:21:28 PM  

rewind2846: And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.


Oh wow. Thanks for the link, this wasn't something I'd ever heard of before.
 
2013-05-18 09:23:10 PM  

sethstorm: The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.


A lot of that is going to vary at the store level, the GM, the neighborhood, the alignment of the stars and associated parallax shift..
 
2013-05-18 09:28:04 PM  

Thunderpipes: reignited?

hehe. Glasses, rose colored. Economy is still in the dumper, big time.


And will remain so... and will get worse.

There are millions of jobs that will never come back.

The key facts are:

(1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.
 
2013-05-18 09:29:13 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.


Japan actually made the point to improve in their time.  The only thing China has done is to lower quality down to junk level by flooding the market.  If you were to go back throughout their history, you would see them doing things like selling off heavy weapons and replacing them with sacks of flour - which would be nearly equivalent to the melamine scandals or ripoff parts of today.  In the 60+ years since WWII, Japan has gone further than China has ever progressed in its existence towards high-quality products; their only major fault is making golfcart-sized cars due to overregulation.

(Before you suggest that it's for your benefit and that it "frees someone to do something else, don't forget about the grisly harm that comes in between.  Collateral damage can be quite a doozy.)
 
2013-05-18 09:37:20 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: (1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.


You presume that governments like the US won't eventually respond to the demand and do something to ensure that the American way of life - of unquestioned prosperity - is not threatened.  Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.

You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.  Until those hundreds of millions are not used as an anti-American counterweight to the demands of US citizens (as they are now), there will be no benefit outside of the world of academia.

/Why yes, I don't care if you call the US imperial.
//I take that as a compliment.
 
2013-05-18 11:09:59 PM  

iron_city_ap: The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.


So.... Walmart is ethical and Walgreens isn't? And you are a thief?

Great inspiration for all Walmart haters.
 
2013-05-18 11:11:09 PM  

dstrick44: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

BuhBye now


Yeah, you guys need your circle jerk to be private.
 
2013-05-18 11:15:14 PM  

Azlefty: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

Go into L.A, and tell us what you find; Walmart staffs to the location,OC is fairly affluent (even Santa Ana) so they have higher standards of upkeep and the product mix reflects that, go to Compton or Watts and you see a true example of the average Walmart.

Also I did not see these lovlies the last time I was at Southcoast and in Nordstroms or Sears.
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Logic is your strong point, is it?

I said:  "...a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms."

You said: "Also I did not see these lovlies the last time I was at Southcoast and in Nordstroms or Sears." [follows pics of average looking to overweight women]

Venn Diagrams - how du they wurk????
 
2013-05-18 11:40:43 PM  

dstrick44: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

You're lying.
Or that Walmart only recently opened.
There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.


>>>>>>You're lying.
Whups! You got me! Your mind reading skills are fantastic there, Slick.

>>>>>>>Or that Walmart only recently opened.
Three that have been around for some time are the ones in Orange, Huntington Beach, and Foothill Ranch. All quite nice, clean, well lighted, friendly staff, etc. Santa Ana, not so much. but then again, all the stores in that part of OC look like disaster areas. Might be due to the.... um.... language issues?

>>>>>>>>There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
I've always been able to get friendly assistance. Sometimes, yes, it is hard to find someone, but once I do they go out of their way to help me. Do you shop at Walmart? If so, maybe it's.... you? Perhaps a bath or shower more than once a week? Dale Carnegie wrote an excellent book; have you read it, and put it's principles into practice? Or do you come across as... less than civil (i.e.: nasty douchebag farktard)? If you do NOT shop at Walmart then how do you know? Oh, right, more mind reading.

>>>>>>And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.
Some of there stuff is poor quality (and so is some stuff at other stores). For instance, in clothing, Puritan (their house brand, I think), Wrangler shirts and sandals (also sold at other stores) and some of the No Boundaries shirts (also sold in other stores) are pretty crappy. Wrangler jeans are OK. George and Faded Glory shirts and pants are excellent. George belts used to be crappy, but are now excellent. (I had complained several times over the years to store managers about George Belts; they LOOKED good but fell apart after about 3 months of use. Last time I went to buy a belt I was astounded to find that the belts were now full leather - for the same price. I talked to the store manager and mentioned my history of complaints, and how I had returned 6 belts over about a year and a half, getting free replacements that failed again in three months. She laughed and said she (and managers at other stores) had gotten many complaints about those belts. She said that Walmart corporate had "lowered the boom" on the vendor and they had cleaned up their act. Seriously, what more can you ask for?

Seriously guy, you sound bitter and whiny.
 
2013-05-18 11:48:21 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.


It's amazing how this crap information just gets repeated over and over and over and over....

Slave wages; er, no, they're the same or better than smaller retailers.

No medical benefits; er, no, full time workers and even some part time workers have the full range of cafeteria options (JUST like most other businesses)

Brutal and uncaring supervisors who lock workers in at night; er, might have been ONE example of this somewhere; I'd like to see documentation that it is corporate policy.

Crappy merchandise; er, no, mostly the same as any other Big Box.

Etc. etc. etc.

Sheesh.
 
2013-05-18 11:53:47 PM  
assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.
It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Fred Meyer's They have all that at similar prices with much nicer stores and fast check outs. The only down side I've come across is that on Sat afternoons, it gets pretty crowded in there.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

If you are an assistant manager. Peons start at minimum wage and get a medicaid application for medical coverage.

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?

Fred Meyer's starts it's people at $12.50/hour. They have a union and have vacation and sick time off as well as health insurance.
 
2013-05-18 11:53:51 PM  
Define "reignited"?
 
2013-05-19 12:34:02 AM  

Fissile: our country can's seem to make babies fast enough, that's why we need to import millions of immigrants, and offshore entire industries.


If you didnt run ponzi scheme gov't plans, then you would not need to find more suckers to fill another level in the pyramid.

If they are going to mandate people buy shiat.  why not just mandate they buy life insurance and disability.  Then, they can mandate everyone also save at least 10% for retirement.   Then could chuck Soc Sec out the window,a long with the yearly discussion about which parts spent the lockbox.
 
2013-05-19 12:38:34 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.


You are probably the tiny minority of Americans who actually realizes this fallacy. MiC products are shoddy NOT because they are made in China but because they are cheaply made in China. When you want someone to make you a $2 doohicky and insist they only make a nickel in profit that product WILL most likely be of lesser quality regardless of country of creation.

China so happened took that assignment because they had the labor, the manufacturing capability and low labor wages to make tons of stuff even if i means having minute profits per product.

I have bought some high end commercial MiC products for work and their quality is on par with anything made in US, Japan or Germany etc. Heck a lot of high tech Motorola communication products are MiC. You can't find those on WM shelves but even if you do no one will be buying them because because they are fairly niche and expensive products.
 
2013-05-19 12:42:34 AM  
Meh, I've never hated Wal Mart, they serve their purpose. I don't shop there a vast majority of the time but I am not above going there when I need to.
 
2013-05-19 12:57:34 AM  

PunGent: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Is it me, or do we go through this every decade with a different major chain?  I seem to remember years ago everyone wailing and rending their garments because Sears...then, the quintessential American big box store...was looking poorly.

Meh.


Damn, you know, I do believe you are correct.

There's a group of people out there who just plain dislike "bigness." If it's big it's gotta be evil. Well, there is SOME truth to that; my take is this: larger organizations tend to be more bureaucratic and therefore more rigid in dealing with outliers. This rigidity can often have evil consequences. Therefore the probability of being evil increases as organizational size increases.
 
2013-05-19 01:03:16 AM  

ScaryBottles: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Every Walmart I have visited here in Texas is a shiathole staffed with the dregs of humanity. And yes I shop there before you once again prove your stupidity by putting words in people's mouths unfortunately the only alternative around here is BGC which is even worse.


Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. I generally leave that to the lefties and proggies. It's just that virtually every Walmart Hate thread I've ever read seems to be filled with people who say they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER shop at a Walmart. So it is natural to assume that other Walmart Haters follow suit.
 
2013-05-19 01:06:11 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.


I've noticed that. Over the last 2 years here in OC the number of apparently brain-dead sales staff and even managers at various retail establishments seems to have soared. Are owners simply hiring as cheap as they can?
 
2013-05-19 01:13:19 AM  
God this thread was depressing.

It was like reading a bunch of people defend how and why they took the ugliest girl home from the bar. "No dude she totally has a great sense of humor and treated me right. You're the idiot for not sleeping with ugly glaciers."
 
2013-05-19 01:15:44 AM  

OscarTamerz: The first of what Walmart said were a new chain of pure grocery stores opened up in August a few blocks from me last August here in Huntington Beach. The meat department which is the core of every food chain and leads the weekly sales circular of Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons and Stater Bros. is more expensive than anything but Bristol Farms and Gelsons which are located in multimillion dollar neighborhoods like Newport Beach. I thought it was a newby mistake but the prices haven't come down since so if the rest if the stores are similarly priced it would be a fatal flaw in their pricing strategy.


Yes, I've seen the same at the Walmart "Neighborhood Store" in Anaheim at Katella and Euclid. Very high priced, very good quality meat. And several other things, as well. But on other things stuff is the same price as the Walmarts at Beach/405 and at Buena Park Mall. And those are anywhere from 3-6% cheaper than at regular grocery stores.

I think that the Walmart "Neighborhood Store"  concept may be to go after the high end supermarkets.

The ONLY product that I've personally bought at any supermarket that is cheaper than at Walmart is the large bottle Kroger honey at Food4Less. F4L does in-store aggressive price comparisons on many other items that state they are lower, but other than the ribeye steak I've never bought any of those items. And F4L ribeye is generally inferior to Walmart's. Also, I took smartphone pics of F4L's ribeye prices and showed them to the checkout at Walmart, and they matched the unit cost.
 
2013-05-19 01:16:26 AM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


REPORTED!
 
2013-05-19 01:18:24 AM  

rewind2846: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.

With very few of them selling what WalMart does. Example: at the walmart nearest to me there is a strip mall. The only stores that still survive at that strip mall are Staples (specialist office supplies and computers), a christian bookstore, Michaels crafts store, a pizza place, and four other specialty stores. They all still exist because they are specialized to the point that the walmart doesn't carry what they do, nor do they offer the customer service they do.

This past semester I had to have a particular type of paper for a project, in a color that wasn't white and a size that wasn't A4. Didn't even think about walmart, because if it isn't 8.5x11 and white, they don't carry it. Staples was able to custom order what I needed AND text messaged me when it was in. Then I went next door to the Michaels and got the rest of what I needed.

Point is that it probably isn't "dozens", but a few... and only those stores which walmart hasn't found fit to offer in it's product lines. Fast food, real books (the kind without pictures), sh*t like that. Walmart is the lowest common denominator, and that's who they sell to.


Seriously?
 
2013-05-19 01:21:20 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart


You sound sad and butthurt.
 
2013-05-19 01:28:41 AM  

Canton: Example of Michigan dialect:

"I'm gunna goda Target's fer melk, and then stoppat Speedway's fergass annoil."

What is that? Yooper? Because it does not sound like the mid-Michigan dialect I'm familiar with. And I grew up here.


I have lived all over Michigan for the last 42 years. Both coasts, north, south, Detroit, mid-Michigan, the thumb. But never the U.P., though.

And yes, we do sound like that to people from outside of the state. We speak quickly, slur words together, and we tend to pronounce "t"s as a hard "d", and "ing" as "nn"... Unless we're thinking about it and being conscious of what we're saying.

This crosses almost every class of people up here, too.

This site pretty much covers the Michigan accent:  http://michigannative.com/ma_home.shtml

Poke around. Listen to yourself and the people around you. And learn to accept that we have an accent when we're relaxed and not thinking about it. We can speak fully-enunciated midwestern American when we're trying to (when we know we're being scrutinized), but we often lose track and end up sounding nasal, quick, and slurred to outsiders.

Here's a snippet from the previously-linked page:


THE MICHIGAN ACCENT

Idiosyncrasies and Patterns

Let me tell ya, it is DAMNED cold in Michigan, so you have GOT to conserve energy. Consequently, the right way to speak "Michigin" is to  talk fast,slur your words together, andclip all your hard consonants, like "t". Someone smarter than me calls this a ""glottal stop."

Many Michigan folks have written, insisting they don't do this. But "I don' talk tha' way!" sounds a lot different than "I don'Tuh talk thaTuh way." Yes, Virginia, you are chopping off your Ts. (If you want to hear people who pronounce their ending Ts, listen to the Irish. An' doan'T ye forgeT iT, boyo!)

"Quarter of three"? "Half past"? What the hell does  that mean? You may get a confused look if you say that to someone from Muskegon or Kalamazoo. Every good Michiganian knows that when speaking of time before the hour, you would say the word "to" rather than "of". You would also slur it together and say "ta" instead of "to"... hence, "quarter of three" becomes "quartertathree". You betcha.

In California, they tell you to take "The 405"... in Washington DC, you get on "495". But in Michigan, since US, state and interstate highways can have the same number, interstate highways are often said with an "I-" before the number. So to get to Detroit's Metro Airport, you git in yer cahrr an' take "I-teoo-sevenny-five" to "I-ninedy-four". Sometimes called freeways, sometimes expressways, but it's rare you'll hear them called "highways".


Company names as possessives

In the early 1900's, the Ford Motor Company's sole factory was known by people all over Michigan as "Ford's Factory", since it was owned by Henry Ford. Like a virus, this wacky mispronunciation spread to any large shrine of industry or commerce.

"Where do you work?" "Oh, I work at Ford's." "I see, and evidently you were schooled in Ohio."

So "Meijer" became "Meijers", "Kroger" became "Krogers", and inexplicably, "K-Mart" became... "K-Marts"!  For the record, folks... there is no family by the name of "K-Mart" that owns that chain.

A's are somewhere in between a short ă for the rest of the country, and a short ĕ. It's not "ahh" like what the doctor asks you to say... more like "aeh", with an emphasis on the "eh". Hold your nose shut if you need assistance.

R's are always hard, and sound like a growl to a lot of people. Just think of a pirate. ARRRrrrr.

G's in verbs are usually silent. Notable exception: "tornado warning".

T's, when in the middle of a word and not supported by another consonant, are generally pronounced like a D (this is common in the US, but especially so in Michigan). "Little" becomes "liddle", "catatonic" becomes "cadatonic". When coupled with an "N", they get dropped like the useless energy-wasting consonants that they are: "cantaloupe" becomes "canalope", and "consonant" becomes "cahnsineh" (DON'T SAY THAT T!).
 
2013-05-19 01:38:12 AM  
I can deal with the " people of WalMart" types (get a kick out of seeing those creatures) And I can deal with the made in china crap( cant find much that isnt anymore) but what I wont deal with is them having like a 30 minute long line to check out because they have like 1 cashier and half the self checks broke down. Ill pay more and drive further to go to the compitition before I put up with that kind of "service"
 
2013-05-19 01:44:23 AM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: (1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.

You presume that governments like the US won't eventually respond to the demand and do something to ensure that the American way of life - of unquestioned prosperity - is not threatened.  Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.

You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.  Until those hundreds of millions are not used as an anti-American counterweight to the demands of US citizens (as they are now), there will be no benefit outside of the world of academia.

/Why yes, I don't care if you call the US imperial.
//I take that as a compliment.


>>>>Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.
Not sure where you are getting that from, because I certainly don't agree with that.

>>>>>>You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli
Pretty much. It exists, it already happened.  The only ways out would be to simply (1) wait it out until the rest of the world catches up with our cost of living, or (2) to bomb the living crap out of everyone else and have a reboot of the conditions after WWII and the Marshall Plan which was the government's clever method of getting welfare payments to US corporations so they could create relatively full employment.

Note the money flow:
taxes on US citizens >>> money to govt >>> money sent to Europe govts >>>>> money given to destitute European citizens >>> European citizens buy American-made goods >>> money to US corporations >>> money to American labor, creating the Blue Collar Middle Class.

I am NOT saying that this was deliberate, thought out policy. But that is what, in fact, happened. The fact of the matter is that the end of WWII found the US with the ONLY undamaged economic infrastructure. A natural result of that was that the American Middle Class of the 50s, 60s, and 70s was fat, happy and clueless. The slide started to be felt in the 80s when reborn foreign industry started reaching tipping points of quality and economic reach.

What we are seeing today with Globalization is the natural end result of that slide. The point is that the US economy was unnaturally healthy during those decades, because the rest of the world was recovering from having their economies destroyed.

>>>>>....and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.
Again, where are you getting that from?

And you haven't seen nuthin' yet. ALL national economies are going to be rocked by robotics and 3D print technology. We are in for a rough ride, with (I would guess) unemployment rates hitting 50% or higher everywhere. There are simply going to be too many people to fill the available jobs.

Which is why I am starting to think that something like Social Credit is going to be needed.

The flip side, the good side, is that a successful transition will bring us into a new golden age where it really is not necessary for anyone to work all that hard.
 
2013-05-19 01:45:53 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.

You are probably the tiny minority of Americans who actually realizes this fallacy. MiC products are shoddy NOT because they are made in China but because they are cheaply made in China. When you want someone to make you a $2 doohicky and insist they only make a nickel in profit that product WILL most likely be of lesser quality regardless of country of creation.

China so happened took that assignment because they had the labor, the manufacturing capability and low labor wages to make tons of stuff even if i means having minute profits per product.

I have bought some high end commercial MiC products for work and their quality is on par with anything made in US, Japan or Germany etc. Heck a lot of high tech Motorola communication products are MiC. You can't find those on WM shelves but even if you do no one will be buying them because because they are fairly niche and expensive products.


Exactly. Thank you.
 
2013-05-19 04:49:43 AM  

kona: how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for a few profitable quarters work out?
Better open some stores in China....Assholes.


I'm not sure about their stores in China but they have an amazing skyscraper HQ and lots of factories there.
 
2013-05-19 05:39:36 AM  

BolloxReader: TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.

When Black & Decker started selling in Walmart and they were far less expensive than in other stores, I bought identical electric screwdrivers and cracked them open. The one from Walmart had plastic gears where the one from the regular store (I think JC Pennys) had metal. Same brand, same model, completely different components inside.


Buying cheap crap has it's own costs...and usually winds up costing MORE in the long run, and the long run is pretty farking quick.

It's one of my wife's few faults; she'll buy a lamp at Target, "real cheap", and then be surprised that it quits working inside a month...
 
2013-05-19 08:29:21 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Walmart is ethical


hehehehohohohoho
 
2013-05-19 09:21:21 AM  

Oldiron_79: I can deal with the " people of WalMart" types (get a kick out of seeing those creatures) And I can deal with the made in china crap( cant find much that isnt anymore) but what I wont deal with is them having like a 30 minute long line to check out because they have like 1 cashier and half the self checks broke down. Ill pay more and drive further to go to the compitition before I put up with that kind of "service"


THIS!

I'll shop at Wal-Mart more when they start having more than 5 checkout stands (out of a possibly 25) open at 4:30 in the afternoon.

Yes I shop there and it's always a dreadful experience. That's why I always avoid it unless it's really necessary.
 
2013-05-19 09:35:09 AM  

Abox


It's more about saving time than a nickel. If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Bed, Bath & Beyond and then the local gun shop.
 
2013-05-19 09:56:19 AM  

12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.


It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.
 
2013-05-19 10:21:55 AM  
Shop Wal-Mart while you whine about Obama being a socialist.
 
2013-05-19 11:06:31 AM  

Mouser: 12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.

It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.


Actually it tells me you really don't know what IBM is using those H1Bs for.
 
2013-05-19 01:00:52 PM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?

The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.


Hmmmm..... I assume you have smuggled copies of they p&P manual? Oh, you don't? Then how do you KNOW this?
 
2013-05-19 01:10:05 PM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.

Japan actually made the point to improve in their time.  The only thing China has done is to lower quality down to junk level by flooding the market.  If you were to go back throughout their history, you would see them doing things like selling off heavy weapons and replacing them with sacks of flour - which would be nearly equivalent to the melamine scandals or ripoff parts of today.  In the 60+ years since WWII, Japan has gone further than China has ever progressed in its existence towards high-quality products; their only major fault is making golfcart-sized cars due to overregulation.

(Before you suggest that it's for your benefit and that it "frees someone to do something else, don't forget about the grisly harm that comes in between.  Collateral damage can be quite a doozy.)


Sigh
 
2013-05-19 01:12:03 PM  

Mouser: 12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.

It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.


Whar? Whar free market? Whar?
 
2013-05-19 02:16:11 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart

You sound sad and butthurt.


Just irritated that a store that once could be counted on to have all the basic crap like filters, oil, cheap clothes, etc. no longer wants to sell that stuff.  The only place left for one stop shopping like that is Fred Meyer.  I liked stores that gave competition.  It keeps everybody a little less dishonest.

You on the other hand sound liberal and dickless
 
2013-05-19 03:35:06 PM  

rewind2846: TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.

And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.


I've heard (though not verified) they do that with rifles and shotguns.
 
2013-05-19 03:39:19 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Abox

It's more about saving time than a nickel. If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Bed, Bath & Beyond and then the local gun shop.


AKA, save time by going to Walmart.
 
2013-05-19 03:39:30 PM  

Abox: assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.

It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Well at least 2 of us get it.
 
2013-05-19 04:54:32 PM  

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 480x445]


Anyone who "axes" a question should be punched in the face IMHO.
 
2013-05-19 08:56:38 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm..... I assume you have smuggled copies of they p&P manual? Oh, you don't? Then how do you KNOW this?


Either you legitimately don't know about their reputation or you're being intentionally obtuse.

Let's see:
Locking people for unpaid work after being told to clock out
Making a health plan so hard to reach that its only purpose is to exist as a PR prop
Relying on government medical insurance (Medicare) to shortchange on benefits
"Dead peasant" policies on their own staff.
Hiding the fact that they're building a store due to their unpopularity - with the help of corrupted city council.
Bribing clergy in Chicago just to get a store in.
Advocating government medical insurance
Closing a store in Canada(Jonquiere) under dubious reasoning when they lost a challenge
Rearranging a meat department for labor relations purposes, not efficiency purposes
People being terminated for policy violations that coincidentally were supporting labor unions - or providing evidence against such.
Having to send PR teams out to challenge the idea that "NO means NO".
Having to send "legal consultants" out when the U-word gets spoken in a special way.
Other offenses based on the Southern "a worker should know thy place" idea that was once extinguished in the North.

I don't care that they're big.  I could give their labor relations policy a pass if they weren't acting as a distribution arm for the PRC.  I only care that they've done things that even Sam would take pause at doing himself.
 
2013-05-19 08:58:48 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PunGent: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Is it me, or do we go through this every decade with a different major chain?  I seem to remember years ago everyone wailing and rending their garments because Sears...then, the quintessential American big box store...was looking poorly.

Meh.

Damn, you know, I do believe you are correct.

There's a group of people out there who just plain dislike "bigness." If it's big it's gotta be evil. Well, there is SOME truth to that; my take is this: larger organizations tend to be more bureaucratic and therefore more rigid in dealing with outliers. This rigidity can often have evil consequences. Therefore the probability of being evil increases as organizational size increases.


There's also what I call the "black hole" effect; once an organization (business, government, religion, whatever) gets big enough, it can't help affecting its surroundings through its sheer size.  Some of these effects will be negative, statistically speaking, since they're unintentional side-effects, even if the organization itself is benign.
 
2013-05-19 09:03:03 PM  

12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.


Or disclose the number of them that still exist in this country.

Mouser: It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.


You can have that done if you're a large government contractor or can convince them to apply US-only option codes - both of which result in a laptop assembled in the US with parts from countries friendly to the US.  Granted, it won't be a 100% US laptop, but you can get an honest Made in the USA label on a modern IBM product.
 
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