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2013-05-18 09:28:04 PM  

Thunderpipes: reignited?

hehe. Glasses, rose colored. Economy is still in the dumper, big time.


And will remain so... and will get worse.

There are millions of jobs that will never come back.

The key facts are:

(1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.
 
2013-05-18 09:29:13 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.


Japan actually made the point to improve in their time.  The only thing China has done is to lower quality down to junk level by flooding the market.  If you were to go back throughout their history, you would see them doing things like selling off heavy weapons and replacing them with sacks of flour - which would be nearly equivalent to the melamine scandals or ripoff parts of today.  In the 60+ years since WWII, Japan has gone further than China has ever progressed in its existence towards high-quality products; their only major fault is making golfcart-sized cars due to overregulation.

(Before you suggest that it's for your benefit and that it "frees someone to do something else, don't forget about the grisly harm that comes in between.  Collateral damage can be quite a doozy.)
 
2013-05-18 09:37:20 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: (1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.


You presume that governments like the US won't eventually respond to the demand and do something to ensure that the American way of life - of unquestioned prosperity - is not threatened.  Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.

You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.  Until those hundreds of millions are not used as an anti-American counterweight to the demands of US citizens (as they are now), there will be no benefit outside of the world of academia.

/Why yes, I don't care if you call the US imperial.
//I take that as a compliment.
 
2013-05-18 11:09:59 PM  

iron_city_ap: The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.


So.... Walmart is ethical and Walgreens isn't? And you are a thief?

Great inspiration for all Walmart haters.
 
2013-05-18 11:11:09 PM  

dstrick44: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

BuhBye now


Yeah, you guys need your circle jerk to be private.
 
2013-05-18 11:15:14 PM  

Azlefty: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

Go into L.A, and tell us what you find; Walmart staffs to the location,OC is fairly affluent (even Santa Ana) so they have higher standards of upkeep and the product mix reflects that, go to Compton or Watts and you see a true example of the average Walmart.

Also I did not see these lovlies the last time I was at Southcoast and in Nordstroms or Sears.
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Logic is your strong point, is it?

I said:  "...a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms."

You said: "Also I did not see these lovlies the last time I was at Southcoast and in Nordstroms or Sears." [follows pics of average looking to overweight women]

Venn Diagrams - how du they wurk????
 
2013-05-18 11:40:43 PM  

dstrick44: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

You're lying.
Or that Walmart only recently opened.
There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.


>>>>>>You're lying.
Whups! You got me! Your mind reading skills are fantastic there, Slick.

>>>>>>>Or that Walmart only recently opened.
Three that have been around for some time are the ones in Orange, Huntington Beach, and Foothill Ranch. All quite nice, clean, well lighted, friendly staff, etc. Santa Ana, not so much. but then again, all the stores in that part of OC look like disaster areas. Might be due to the.... um.... language issues?

>>>>>>>>There's not a Walmart on Earth with helpful staff.
I've always been able to get friendly assistance. Sometimes, yes, it is hard to find someone, but once I do they go out of their way to help me. Do you shop at Walmart? If so, maybe it's.... you? Perhaps a bath or shower more than once a week? Dale Carnegie wrote an excellent book; have you read it, and put it's principles into practice? Or do you come across as... less than civil (i.e.: nasty douchebag farktard)? If you do NOT shop at Walmart then how do you know? Oh, right, more mind reading.

>>>>>>And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.
Some of there stuff is poor quality (and so is some stuff at other stores). For instance, in clothing, Puritan (their house brand, I think), Wrangler shirts and sandals (also sold at other stores) and some of the No Boundaries shirts (also sold in other stores) are pretty crappy. Wrangler jeans are OK. George and Faded Glory shirts and pants are excellent. George belts used to be crappy, but are now excellent. (I had complained several times over the years to store managers about George Belts; they LOOKED good but fell apart after about 3 months of use. Last time I went to buy a belt I was astounded to find that the belts were now full leather - for the same price. I talked to the store manager and mentioned my history of complaints, and how I had returned 6 belts over about a year and a half, getting free replacements that failed again in three months. She laughed and said she (and managers at other stores) had gotten many complaints about those belts. She said that Walmart corporate had "lowered the boom" on the vendor and they had cleaned up their act. Seriously, what more can you ask for?

Seriously guy, you sound bitter and whiny.
 
2013-05-18 11:48:21 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.


It's amazing how this crap information just gets repeated over and over and over and over....

Slave wages; er, no, they're the same or better than smaller retailers.

No medical benefits; er, no, full time workers and even some part time workers have the full range of cafeteria options (JUST like most other businesses)

Brutal and uncaring supervisors who lock workers in at night; er, might have been ONE example of this somewhere; I'd like to see documentation that it is corporate policy.

Crappy merchandise; er, no, mostly the same as any other Big Box.

Etc. etc. etc.

Sheesh.
 
2013-05-18 11:53:47 PM  
assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.
It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Fred Meyer's They have all that at similar prices with much nicer stores and fast check outs. The only down side I've come across is that on Sat afternoons, it gets pretty crowded in there.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

If you are an assistant manager. Peons start at minimum wage and get a medicaid application for medical coverage.

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?

Fred Meyer's starts it's people at $12.50/hour. They have a union and have vacation and sick time off as well as health insurance.
 
2013-05-18 11:53:51 PM  
Define "reignited"?
 
2013-05-19 12:34:02 AM  

Fissile: our country can's seem to make babies fast enough, that's why we need to import millions of immigrants, and offshore entire industries.


If you didnt run ponzi scheme gov't plans, then you would not need to find more suckers to fill another level in the pyramid.

If they are going to mandate people buy shiat.  why not just mandate they buy life insurance and disability.  Then, they can mandate everyone also save at least 10% for retirement.   Then could chuck Soc Sec out the window,a long with the yearly discussion about which parts spent the lockbox.
 
2013-05-19 12:38:34 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.


You are probably the tiny minority of Americans who actually realizes this fallacy. MiC products are shoddy NOT because they are made in China but because they are cheaply made in China. When you want someone to make you a $2 doohicky and insist they only make a nickel in profit that product WILL most likely be of lesser quality regardless of country of creation.

China so happened took that assignment because they had the labor, the manufacturing capability and low labor wages to make tons of stuff even if i means having minute profits per product.

I have bought some high end commercial MiC products for work and their quality is on par with anything made in US, Japan or Germany etc. Heck a lot of high tech Motorola communication products are MiC. You can't find those on WM shelves but even if you do no one will be buying them because because they are fairly niche and expensive products.
 
2013-05-19 12:42:34 AM  
Meh, I've never hated Wal Mart, they serve their purpose. I don't shop there a vast majority of the time but I am not above going there when I need to.
 
2013-05-19 12:57:34 AM  

PunGent: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Is it me, or do we go through this every decade with a different major chain?  I seem to remember years ago everyone wailing and rending their garments because Sears...then, the quintessential American big box store...was looking poorly.

Meh.


Damn, you know, I do believe you are correct.

There's a group of people out there who just plain dislike "bigness." If it's big it's gotta be evil. Well, there is SOME truth to that; my take is this: larger organizations tend to be more bureaucratic and therefore more rigid in dealing with outliers. This rigidity can often have evil consequences. Therefore the probability of being evil increases as organizational size increases.
 
2013-05-19 01:03:16 AM  

ScaryBottles: 12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.

Every Walmart I have visited here in Texas is a shiathole staffed with the dregs of humanity. And yes I shop there before you once again prove your stupidity by putting words in people's mouths unfortunately the only alternative around here is BGC which is even worse.


Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. I generally leave that to the lefties and proggies. It's just that virtually every Walmart Hate thread I've ever read seems to be filled with people who say they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER shop at a Walmart. So it is natural to assume that other Walmart Haters follow suit.
 
2013-05-19 01:06:11 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.


I've noticed that. Over the last 2 years here in OC the number of apparently brain-dead sales staff and even managers at various retail establishments seems to have soared. Are owners simply hiring as cheap as they can?
 
2013-05-19 01:13:19 AM  
God this thread was depressing.

It was like reading a bunch of people defend how and why they took the ugliest girl home from the bar. "No dude she totally has a great sense of humor and treated me right. You're the idiot for not sleeping with ugly glaciers."
 
2013-05-19 01:15:44 AM  

OscarTamerz: The first of what Walmart said were a new chain of pure grocery stores opened up in August a few blocks from me last August here in Huntington Beach. The meat department which is the core of every food chain and leads the weekly sales circular of Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons and Stater Bros. is more expensive than anything but Bristol Farms and Gelsons which are located in multimillion dollar neighborhoods like Newport Beach. I thought it was a newby mistake but the prices haven't come down since so if the rest if the stores are similarly priced it would be a fatal flaw in their pricing strategy.


Yes, I've seen the same at the Walmart "Neighborhood Store" in Anaheim at Katella and Euclid. Very high priced, very good quality meat. And several other things, as well. But on other things stuff is the same price as the Walmarts at Beach/405 and at Buena Park Mall. And those are anywhere from 3-6% cheaper than at regular grocery stores.

I think that the Walmart "Neighborhood Store"  concept may be to go after the high end supermarkets.

The ONLY product that I've personally bought at any supermarket that is cheaper than at Walmart is the large bottle Kroger honey at Food4Less. F4L does in-store aggressive price comparisons on many other items that state they are lower, but other than the ribeye steak I've never bought any of those items. And F4L ribeye is generally inferior to Walmart's. Also, I took smartphone pics of F4L's ribeye prices and showed them to the checkout at Walmart, and they matched the unit cost.
 
2013-05-19 01:16:26 AM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


REPORTED!
 
2013-05-19 01:18:24 AM  

rewind2846: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.

With very few of them selling what WalMart does. Example: at the walmart nearest to me there is a strip mall. The only stores that still survive at that strip mall are Staples (specialist office supplies and computers), a christian bookstore, Michaels crafts store, a pizza place, and four other specialty stores. They all still exist because they are specialized to the point that the walmart doesn't carry what they do, nor do they offer the customer service they do.

This past semester I had to have a particular type of paper for a project, in a color that wasn't white and a size that wasn't A4. Didn't even think about walmart, because if it isn't 8.5x11 and white, they don't carry it. Staples was able to custom order what I needed AND text messaged me when it was in. Then I went next door to the Michaels and got the rest of what I needed.

Point is that it probably isn't "dozens", but a few... and only those stores which walmart hasn't found fit to offer in it's product lines. Fast food, real books (the kind without pictures), sh*t like that. Walmart is the lowest common denominator, and that's who they sell to.


Seriously?
 
2013-05-19 01:21:20 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart


You sound sad and butthurt.
 
2013-05-19 01:28:41 AM  

Canton: Example of Michigan dialect:

"I'm gunna goda Target's fer melk, and then stoppat Speedway's fergass annoil."

What is that? Yooper? Because it does not sound like the mid-Michigan dialect I'm familiar with. And I grew up here.


I have lived all over Michigan for the last 42 years. Both coasts, north, south, Detroit, mid-Michigan, the thumb. But never the U.P., though.

And yes, we do sound like that to people from outside of the state. We speak quickly, slur words together, and we tend to pronounce "t"s as a hard "d", and "ing" as "nn"... Unless we're thinking about it and being conscious of what we're saying.

This crosses almost every class of people up here, too.

This site pretty much covers the Michigan accent:  http://michigannative.com/ma_home.shtml

Poke around. Listen to yourself and the people around you. And learn to accept that we have an accent when we're relaxed and not thinking about it. We can speak fully-enunciated midwestern American when we're trying to (when we know we're being scrutinized), but we often lose track and end up sounding nasal, quick, and slurred to outsiders.

Here's a snippet from the previously-linked page:


THE MICHIGAN ACCENT

Idiosyncrasies and Patterns

Let me tell ya, it is DAMNED cold in Michigan, so you have GOT to conserve energy. Consequently, the right way to speak "Michigin" is to  talk fast,slur your words together, andclip all your hard consonants, like "t". Someone smarter than me calls this a ""glottal stop."

Many Michigan folks have written, insisting they don't do this. But "I don' talk tha' way!" sounds a lot different than "I don'Tuh talk thaTuh way." Yes, Virginia, you are chopping off your Ts. (If you want to hear people who pronounce their ending Ts, listen to the Irish. An' doan'T ye forgeT iT, boyo!)

"Quarter of three"? "Half past"? What the hell does  that mean? You may get a confused look if you say that to someone from Muskegon or Kalamazoo. Every good Michiganian knows that when speaking of time before the hour, you would say the word "to" rather than "of". You would also slur it together and say "ta" instead of "to"... hence, "quarter of three" becomes "quartertathree". You betcha.

In California, they tell you to take "The 405"... in Washington DC, you get on "495". But in Michigan, since US, state and interstate highways can have the same number, interstate highways are often said with an "I-" before the number. So to get to Detroit's Metro Airport, you git in yer cahrr an' take "I-teoo-sevenny-five" to "I-ninedy-four". Sometimes called freeways, sometimes expressways, but it's rare you'll hear them called "highways".


Company names as possessives

In the early 1900's, the Ford Motor Company's sole factory was known by people all over Michigan as "Ford's Factory", since it was owned by Henry Ford. Like a virus, this wacky mispronunciation spread to any large shrine of industry or commerce.

"Where do you work?" "Oh, I work at Ford's." "I see, and evidently you were schooled in Ohio."

So "Meijer" became "Meijers", "Kroger" became "Krogers", and inexplicably, "K-Mart" became... "K-Marts"!  For the record, folks... there is no family by the name of "K-Mart" that owns that chain.

A's are somewhere in between a short ă for the rest of the country, and a short ĕ. It's not "ahh" like what the doctor asks you to say... more like "aeh", with an emphasis on the "eh". Hold your nose shut if you need assistance.

R's are always hard, and sound like a growl to a lot of people. Just think of a pirate. ARRRrrrr.

G's in verbs are usually silent. Notable exception: "tornado warning".

T's, when in the middle of a word and not supported by another consonant, are generally pronounced like a D (this is common in the US, but especially so in Michigan). "Little" becomes "liddle", "catatonic" becomes "cadatonic". When coupled with an "N", they get dropped like the useless energy-wasting consonants that they are: "cantaloupe" becomes "canalope", and "consonant" becomes "cahnsineh" (DON'T SAY THAT T!).
 
2013-05-19 01:38:12 AM  
I can deal with the " people of WalMart" types (get a kick out of seeing those creatures) And I can deal with the made in china crap( cant find much that isnt anymore) but what I wont deal with is them having like a 30 minute long line to check out because they have like 1 cashier and half the self checks broke down. Ill pay more and drive further to go to the compitition before I put up with that kind of "service"
 
2013-05-19 01:44:23 AM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: (1) Globalization has thrown 120,000,000 new workers in Asia, Russia and Africa into the work force. Until workers in those areas improve their standard of living and their wages to approach ours (i.e.: where it is NOT significantly cheaper to outsource from America) there will continue to be a job shortage here.

(2) Technology marches on. Two technologies that will drastically reduce labor needs (and current viable businesses) globally are (a) robotics, and (b) 3D printing.

You presume that governments like the US won't eventually respond to the demand and do something to ensure that the American way of life - of unquestioned prosperity - is not threatened.  Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.

You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.  Until those hundreds of millions are not used as an anti-American counterweight to the demands of US citizens (as they are now), there will be no benefit outside of the world of academia.

/Why yes, I don't care if you call the US imperial.
//I take that as a compliment.


>>>>Not everyone shares your desire to see the US fall and have its citizens bow before the world like good little subjects.
Not sure where you are getting that from, because I certainly don't agree with that.

>>>>>>You seem to think that this harm is a fait accompli
Pretty much. It exists, it already happened.  The only ways out would be to simply (1) wait it out until the rest of the world catches up with our cost of living, or (2) to bomb the living crap out of everyone else and have a reboot of the conditions after WWII and the Marshall Plan which was the government's clever method of getting welfare payments to US corporations so they could create relatively full employment.

Note the money flow:
taxes on US citizens >>> money to govt >>> money sent to Europe govts >>>>> money given to destitute European citizens >>> European citizens buy American-made goods >>> money to US corporations >>> money to American labor, creating the Blue Collar Middle Class.

I am NOT saying that this was deliberate, thought out policy. But that is what, in fact, happened. The fact of the matter is that the end of WWII found the US with the ONLY undamaged economic infrastructure. A natural result of that was that the American Middle Class of the 50s, 60s, and 70s was fat, happy and clueless. The slide started to be felt in the 80s when reborn foreign industry started reaching tipping points of quality and economic reach.

What we are seeing today with Globalization is the natural end result of that slide. The point is that the US economy was unnaturally healthy during those decades, because the rest of the world was recovering from having their economies destroyed.

>>>>>....and that it should be accepted without objection no matter if the pain kills us.
Again, where are you getting that from?

And you haven't seen nuthin' yet. ALL national economies are going to be rocked by robotics and 3D print technology. We are in for a rough ride, with (I would guess) unemployment rates hitting 50% or higher everywhere. There are simply going to be too many people to fill the available jobs.

Which is why I am starting to think that something like Social Credit is going to be needed.

The flip side, the good side, is that a successful transition will bring us into a new golden age where it really is not necessary for anyone to work all that hard.
 
2013-05-19 01:45:53 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.

You are probably the tiny minority of Americans who actually realizes this fallacy. MiC products are shoddy NOT because they are made in China but because they are cheaply made in China. When you want someone to make you a $2 doohicky and insist they only make a nickel in profit that product WILL most likely be of lesser quality regardless of country of creation.

China so happened took that assignment because they had the labor, the manufacturing capability and low labor wages to make tons of stuff even if i means having minute profits per product.

I have bought some high end commercial MiC products for work and their quality is on par with anything made in US, Japan or Germany etc. Heck a lot of high tech Motorola communication products are MiC. You can't find those on WM shelves but even if you do no one will be buying them because because they are fairly niche and expensive products.


Exactly. Thank you.
 
2013-05-19 04:49:43 AM  

kona: how did that plan to fark over American manufacturing for a few profitable quarters work out?
Better open some stores in China....Assholes.


I'm not sure about their stores in China but they have an amazing skyscraper HQ and lots of factories there.
 
2013-05-19 05:39:36 AM  

BolloxReader: TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.

When Black & Decker started selling in Walmart and they were far less expensive than in other stores, I bought identical electric screwdrivers and cracked them open. The one from Walmart had plastic gears where the one from the regular store (I think JC Pennys) had metal. Same brand, same model, completely different components inside.


Buying cheap crap has it's own costs...and usually winds up costing MORE in the long run, and the long run is pretty farking quick.

It's one of my wife's few faults; she'll buy a lamp at Target, "real cheap", and then be surprised that it quits working inside a month...
 
2013-05-19 08:29:21 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Walmart is ethical


hehehehohohohoho
 
2013-05-19 09:21:21 AM  

Oldiron_79: I can deal with the " people of WalMart" types (get a kick out of seeing those creatures) And I can deal with the made in china crap( cant find much that isnt anymore) but what I wont deal with is them having like a 30 minute long line to check out because they have like 1 cashier and half the self checks broke down. Ill pay more and drive further to go to the compitition before I put up with that kind of "service"


THIS!

I'll shop at Wal-Mart more when they start having more than 5 checkout stands (out of a possibly 25) open at 4:30 in the afternoon.

Yes I shop there and it's always a dreadful experience. That's why I always avoid it unless it's really necessary.
 
2013-05-19 09:35:09 AM  

Abox


It's more about saving time than a nickel. If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Bed, Bath & Beyond and then the local gun shop.
 
2013-05-19 09:56:19 AM  

12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.


It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.
 
2013-05-19 10:21:55 AM  
Shop Wal-Mart while you whine about Obama being a socialist.
 
2013-05-19 11:06:31 AM  

Mouser: 12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.

It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.


Actually it tells me you really don't know what IBM is using those H1Bs for.
 
2013-05-19 01:00:52 PM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?

The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.


Hmmmm..... I assume you have smuggled copies of they p&P manual? Oh, you don't? Then how do you KNOW this?
 
2013-05-19 01:10:05 PM  

sethstorm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.

Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.

Japan actually made the point to improve in their time.  The only thing China has done is to lower quality down to junk level by flooding the market.  If you were to go back throughout their history, you would see them doing things like selling off heavy weapons and replacing them with sacks of flour - which would be nearly equivalent to the melamine scandals or ripoff parts of today.  In the 60+ years since WWII, Japan has gone further than China has ever progressed in its existence towards high-quality products; their only major fault is making golfcart-sized cars due to overregulation.

(Before you suggest that it's for your benefit and that it "frees someone to do something else, don't forget about the grisly harm that comes in between.  Collateral damage can be quite a doozy.)


Sigh
 
2013-05-19 01:12:03 PM  

Mouser: 12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.

It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.

Or in other words, welcome to the free market.


Whar? Whar free market? Whar?
 
2013-05-19 02:16:11 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart

You sound sad and butthurt.


Just irritated that a store that once could be counted on to have all the basic crap like filters, oil, cheap clothes, etc. no longer wants to sell that stuff.  The only place left for one stop shopping like that is Fred Meyer.  I liked stores that gave competition.  It keeps everybody a little less dishonest.

You on the other hand sound liberal and dickless
 
2013-05-19 03:35:06 PM  

rewind2846: TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.

And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.


I've heard (though not verified) they do that with rifles and shotguns.
 
2013-05-19 03:39:19 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Abox

It's more about saving time than a nickel. If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Bed, Bath & Beyond and then the local gun shop.


AKA, save time by going to Walmart.
 
2013-05-19 03:39:30 PM  

Abox: assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.

It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?


Well at least 2 of us get it.
 
2013-05-19 04:54:32 PM  

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 480x445]


Anyone who "axes" a question should be punched in the face IMHO.
 
2013-05-19 08:56:38 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmm..... I assume you have smuggled copies of they p&P manual? Oh, you don't? Then how do you KNOW this?


Either you legitimately don't know about their reputation or you're being intentionally obtuse.

Let's see:
Locking people for unpaid work after being told to clock out
Making a health plan so hard to reach that its only purpose is to exist as a PR prop
Relying on government medical insurance (Medicare) to shortchange on benefits
"Dead peasant" policies on their own staff.
Hiding the fact that they're building a store due to their unpopularity - with the help of corrupted city council.
Bribing clergy in Chicago just to get a store in.
Advocating government medical insurance
Closing a store in Canada(Jonquiere) under dubious reasoning when they lost a challenge
Rearranging a meat department for labor relations purposes, not efficiency purposes
People being terminated for policy violations that coincidentally were supporting labor unions - or providing evidence against such.
Having to send PR teams out to challenge the idea that "NO means NO".
Having to send "legal consultants" out when the U-word gets spoken in a special way.
Other offenses based on the Southern "a worker should know thy place" idea that was once extinguished in the North.

I don't care that they're big.  I could give their labor relations policy a pass if they weren't acting as a distribution arm for the PRC.  I only care that they've done things that even Sam would take pause at doing himself.
 
2013-05-19 08:58:48 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PunGent: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Is it me, or do we go through this every decade with a different major chain?  I seem to remember years ago everyone wailing and rending their garments because Sears...then, the quintessential American big box store...was looking poorly.

Meh.

Damn, you know, I do believe you are correct.

There's a group of people out there who just plain dislike "bigness." If it's big it's gotta be evil. Well, there is SOME truth to that; my take is this: larger organizations tend to be more bureaucratic and therefore more rigid in dealing with outliers. This rigidity can often have evil consequences. Therefore the probability of being evil increases as organizational size increases.


There's also what I call the "black hole" effect; once an organization (business, government, religion, whatever) gets big enough, it can't help affecting its surroundings through its sheer size.  Some of these effects will be negative, statistically speaking, since they're unintentional side-effects, even if the organization itself is benign.
 
2013-05-19 09:03:03 PM  

12349876: Fissile: Yup, IBM is demanding even more H1B workers because there are just too many people here.

It's a sign that IBM are cheap bastards that don't want to train and properly pay Americans.


Or disclose the number of them that still exist in this country.

Mouser: It's a sign that Americans are cheap bastards that don't want to pay the extra it'd cost for IBM to have goods made by "properly paid Americans" when there are broke-ass people overseas that are willing to do the same job for a lot less.


You can have that done if you're a large government contractor or can convince them to apply US-only option codes - both of which result in a laptop assembled in the US with parts from countries friendly to the US.  Granted, it won't be a 100% US laptop, but you can get an honest Made in the USA label on a modern IBM product.
 
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