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(Slate)   Now that the American economy has been reignited, Wal-Mart is losing customers left and right. This is bad news... for no one, really   (slate.com) divider line 194
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2013-05-18 05:15:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: The old lady at Wal Mart yesterday wouldn't print the Slothstranaut pic I downloaded off the internet because I didn't have the expressed permission of the photographer. Walgreens happily took my money.


Staples is offering 3D printing services.  I'm waiting for the first guy who gets busted for ordering a statue of a naked child.
 
2013-05-18 05:15:20 PM  

12349876: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

The Target's and Meijer's in my area are much nicer.


Every Walmart I have visited here in Texas is a shiathole staffed with the dregs of humanity. And yes I shop there before you once again prove your stupidity by putting words in people's mouths unfortunately the only alternative around here is BGC which is even worse.
 
2013-05-18 05:16:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Thank god. Now maybe I can get through the express lane in less than 20 minutes.


If Walmart wants to know why their sales are slipping, this right here is the answer . I shouldn't have to wait thirty minutes to check out because your idea of improving profits is to cut your expenses to the point you have literally no one in the store check people out for what minimal things they were able to actually able to find in the store, since you've also cut staff so much there is no one to actually stock the shelves. No this isn't anecdotal. Its happening all across the country in their stores, but so long as they keep cutting that payroll to make the expense line and show Wall Street "see! We're managing expenses better than anyone!" , then this shiat will continue. They can blame whatever economic forces they like. But they should start with the force of suits in Bentonville first
 
2013-05-18 05:25:33 PM  
Destroy the chain stores and restaurants and the economy will revive. The economy hates  monopolistic endeavors.
 
2013-05-18 05:27:53 PM  
 
2013-05-18 05:28:13 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Me too, thanks for the reminder.

Carry on, 'tards.


^THESE^
 
2013-05-18 05:31:54 PM  
I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.
 
2013-05-18 05:32:30 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


That just shows your neighbors are deadbeats. My household just crossed over to having a six-figure income with my last raise.
 
2013-05-18 05:37:52 PM  

TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.


And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.
 
2013-05-18 05:41:29 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: Thanks for the reminder, I need to stop by and pick up a few things today.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "Walmart sucks" thread.

Have fun with the substandard selection, service, and cleaniness.

Seriously, putting aside any macroeconomic arguments, Wal Mart used to be the gold standard of big box stores.  Now they're on the path to being the next K Mart.

Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


You obviously have not been to the WalMart de Puerto Rico in East Orlando.
 
2013-05-18 05:44:49 PM  

assjuice: I'd rather not wade through a river of shiat to save a nickel. Haven't been to walmart in years.


It's more about saving time than a nickel.  If you need a wall clock, a bathmat, and shotgun shells where else would you go?
 
2013-05-18 05:44:50 PM  
The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.
 
2013-05-18 05:48:28 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The economy would be reignited if we could find properly-trained people to hire.


Or the other side of the coin being that the economy would be reignited if businesses would make an effort to directly hire & train the unemployed (US citizens) up to the standard.

/IDGAF if that wasn't serious
 
2013-05-18 05:50:59 PM  
IT'S MY FAULT!


the problem I'm having is I can only fit so much in my van.
 
2013-05-18 05:56:30 PM  
The first of what Walmart said were a new chain of pure grocery stores opened up in August a few blocks from me last August here in Huntington Beach. The meat department which is the core of every food chain and leads the weekly sales circular of Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons and Stater Bros. is more expensive than anything but Bristol Farms and Gelsons which are located in multimillion dollar neighborhoods like Newport Beach. I thought it was a newby mistake but the prices haven't come down since so if the rest if the stores are similarly priced it would be a fatal flaw in their pricing strategy.
 
2013-05-18 05:58:44 PM  
The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.
 
2013-05-18 06:00:33 PM  

lilbjorn: This is bad news... for no one, really China


yes, because Target, Costco, Kroger, Walgreens etc don't sell Chinese made products.. genius.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:25 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: rewind2846:  In the hinterlands of flyover country these stores have either killed off everything within a 50 mile radius so that a half hour drive just to get toothpaste is necessary

Show me one... ONE Walmart store that doesn't have dozens of other stores surrounding its location.


With very few of them selling what WalMart does. Example: at the walmart nearest to me there is a strip mall. The only stores that still survive at that strip mall are Staples (specialist office supplies and computers), a christian bookstore, Michaels crafts store, a pizza place, and four other specialty stores. They all still exist because they are specialized to the point that the walmart doesn't carry what they do, nor do they offer the customer service they do.

This past semester I had to have a particular type of paper for a project, in a color that wasn't white and a size that wasn't A4. Didn't even think about walmart, because if it isn't 8.5x11 and white, they don't carry it. Staples was able to custom order what I needed AND text messaged me when it was in. Then I went next door to the Michaels and got the rest of what I needed.

Point is that it probably isn't "dozens", but a few... and only those stores which walmart hasn't found fit to offer in it's product lines. Fast food, real books (the kind without pictures), sh*t like that. Walmart is the lowest common denominator, and that's who they sell to.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:32 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?


Yeah if prosperity looks like the appocalypse then my neighborhood is on the rebound.
 
2013-05-18 06:04:35 PM  
Subby HOW can you SAY that???  The poor Walmart heirs might be only worth 12 third world countries, instead of 15.  EVERYONE PANIC!!!!1111!!!!
 
2013-05-18 06:06:15 PM  

dstrick44: Popcorn Johnny: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

Yes, they only sell cheap Chinese knockoffs.

If you want melamine in your milk or baby formula, Walmart is your source.
If you buy name brands and not Sam's Choice, prices are comparable anywhere.
The clothes and shoes literally fall apart. And they consistently open 1 out of 12 checkout lines.
Whole departments go unmanned after 6:00 or so, but that's only a problem if you work days.
And don't get me started on the well documented depressing effect Walmart has on communities.
The only reason I go there is they closed ALL the locally owned stores in my town. If I need socks there is literally nowhere else to go.
Not to mention the "Dead Peasant" policies that Walmart execs seem to have invented.
Now why don't you do something more honorable, like shill for human traffickers or something. Walmart is not going to have sex with you.


You can't order socks online?
 
2013-05-18 06:13:20 PM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


Yeah, here in town the nice Wal-Mart is surrounded by gates communities and golf courses, and its really nice. The other two Wal-Marts are surrounded by section 8 housing and migrant worker camps, and they're basically bombed out shiatpiles.
 
2013-05-18 06:13:24 PM  

dstanley: The Wal-Mart I shop at isn't bad, but then too, the clientele is mostly white.


Don't care about clientele... as much as I care about the workers. The BIGGEST difference in terms of my personal shopping experience at WM has been the race of the workers there. When it comes to the typical lower wage blue collar type work at WM, I've found white WM worker bees in general to be far much better workers than the black worker bees.

Of course the asshole billionaire white Wall Street white collar types pretty much cancels out the minimum wagers.
 
2013-05-18 06:15:27 PM  

studebaker hoch: The housing bubble deflected attention from the wider problem that technology is eliminating our jerbs left and right. 

Now that the bubble has crashed, we're acutely aware of the fact that we just don't need nearly as many workers as we once did.

AND we continue to crank out babies because God.

This IS the recovery.  Welcome to the new normal.


Not exactly what I was thinking, but pretty close to the same point.  Compared to even 3 years ago the economy is at least stable.  4 years ago even I was hoarding food and thinking 'should I put my investment portfolio in ammo, or crowbars and a CDL so I know how to drive off with a store full of food at once?'.  Is it where it once was? No.  And till we figure out some solutions it never will be again.  But once the housing market finally hit rock bottom it stopped nose-diving at least.
 
2013-05-18 06:26:07 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.


CSB time: I once worked as a lab tech where the overpaid, undermotivaed PhD wanted me to organize a set of drawers. He told me to order the drawer organizer things from a fancy scientific catalogue. The equivant of a silverwear tray was like $30. Overpaid, undermotivaed PhD guy said, "Science is expensive." So I went to Walmart and got to physically look over their much cheaper actually useful selection of various organizers and probably saved the college a hundred bucks and got a better result.
 
2013-05-18 06:33:58 PM  
Of course the economy has been reignited.

You can't burn something to the ground unless you light it first!
 
2013-05-18 06:38:18 PM  
"Reignited" =/= "completely back to normal"

I swear, if something isn't solved instantly after a new person is hired/appointed/elected, they're declared a permanent failure by the peanut gallery.  This country is full of retards on EVERY side of the aisle.
 
2013-05-18 07:17:15 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Not sure what Walmart you shop at (Oh, you don't shop at Walmart? Then how do you know they suck?) but the ones I go to are all nicely lit, nicely laid out, have friendly and helpful staff, and have, for the most part (there are exceptions) decent quality merchandise. They all also seem to have a full range of customer types, from the stereotypical "Walmart shopper" to people that I would also see at a Vons Pavilions, Sears, or Nordstroms.

CSB time: I once worked as a lab tech where the overpaid, undermotivaed PhD wanted me to organize a set of drawers. He told me to order the drawer organizer things from a fancy scientific catalogue. The equivant of a silverwear tray was like $30. Overpaid, undermotivaed PhD guy said, "Science is expensive." So I went to Walmart and got to physically look over their much cheaper actually useful selection of various organizers and probably saved the college a hundred bucks and got a better result.


=============

Resorted to personal initiative and being resourceful without the consent of your betters?  Did you get fired immediately?

/Got fired once for figuring out how to the job done myself
// Learned my lesson
 
2013-05-18 07:23:29 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know what side of town you two live/shop in but the K Marts around here are pretty nice,


I haven't been in a K Mart in a while admittedly, but what I do know is there were 5 K Marts in my city in the 80s and now there's only 1.
 
2013-05-18 07:28:13 PM  
I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart
 
2013-05-18 07:29:55 PM  

TsukasaK: dstrick44: And their merchandise is the opposite of quality.

They sell the same name brands every other farking store does.


When Black & Decker started selling in Walmart and they were far less expensive than in other stores, I bought identical electric screwdrivers and cracked them open. The one from Walmart had plastic gears where the one from the regular store (I think JC Pennys) had metal. Same brand, same model, completely different components inside.

Brand name companies are only in Walmart because they agreed to do things the Walmart way. After Sam Walton died, Walmart required its suppliers to go through specific channels for manufacturing in order to guarantee low cost products. In the case of established brand names, the process involved re-engineering the manufacturing process to meet price rather than quality standards. THis was the cost of placing your products in Walmart.

In theory, it was part of democratizing the marketplace. Once upon a time, manufacturers made things and that dictated what was available. Part of the Sam Walton philosophy was in moving the control to the retailer, and built his company up to the point where the company could dictate to manufacturers. When he was in charge, this control was aimed at promoting American-made products and low prices. They also treated their employees fairly decently. I have an aunt who worked for Walmart in a retail capacity for her entire career. She was treated FAR differently than more recent hires. They bent over backwards for her, helping with relocating expenses and making sure her MS expenses were covered by insurance. She worked in the fabric department her whole career. She never made "money" but it sustained her and they treated her very well.

Once Walton passed away, they very quickly changed philosophies. They decided that what was best for the US was to get us out of manufacturing, something they dismissed as dirty, dangerous and below the dignity of Americans to endure. This justified the pursuit of profits and marketshare above all else, and accruing more economic power to use as they saw fit. Thus the company we see today. They moved the marketplace power closer to the consumer but decreased the economic opportunities of Americans in the process. I think they also helped stoke the notion of using dollars politically by consumers by pissing off people to counter the "Walmartization" of the marketplace.
 
2013-05-18 07:38:15 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I quit shopping at WalMart because they never have what I need.  A simple backpack?  Sorry, we don't sell those at this time of year.  What you need windshield wiper blades?  Oh we only carry one of the size you need.  What, you want to buy socks?  We only sell fuzzy women's socks at this time of year.

Fark you WalMart




I went in to find an air filter for my car (Nissan) and they were out. In fact, 1/2 the shelves with air filters were empty. They are having issues getting the shelves stocked in my area.
 
2013-05-18 07:40:27 PM  
The only losers here are the fine folks that run PoWM.

/came for PoWM pix, leaving satisfied but with a taste of vomit
 
2013-05-18 07:52:26 PM  

Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.


Dude, you live in Hoboken.
 
2013-05-18 07:53:22 PM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-18 08:22:52 PM  

Canton: ZeroCorpse: LDM90: 12349876: J

Apparently Target used to be Dayton's, however, so I have no idea where "Target's" came from. Must be part of the mystery Michigan dialect you're referring to.

/Meijer really is a nice chain, though.
//Definitely prefer it to Wally World.


Target is a spin off of Dayton (or Dayton's).  Dayton's didn't survive (It was a department store, high end like Dillard's or something), and Target was an attempt at a better Sears/Kmart.  It still is.  It's too bad that Woolworth went south, they would be primed for a revival considering how much we're earning now a days.

/I won't shop at Walmart.  Just because
//of this stuff

///Cub Foods is just another attempt at a warehouse.  They didn't have the department store stuff though, only food.  Owned by Super Valu NYSE symbol SVU
 
2013-05-18 08:27:18 PM  
Wal-Mart here (mid-TN, not Nashville---west of there) is really decent as far as cleanliness, prices, pharmacy, food selection, etc.  The optical center is great!   Bad parts: I know several people who work there and are treated like shiat by management; never buy Wal-Mart gas (it's about 1/2 water); never, ever get an oil change from their auto dept, if you value your transportation.
 
2013-05-18 08:29:44 PM  

Kevin Martin: Lol at calling the economy reignited. Just because the stock market is doing well doesn't mean much for the average American. There is a huge difference between what Washington and the media say vs reality. Without the creative accounting we're still farked.


So much this.
 
2013-05-18 08:37:15 PM  
Last two visits to a new Walmart superstore they built across the street from the old regular one:

1.   waited 40 minutes for a clerk to fill out a fishing licence when i was headed north for the weekend of fishing on a friday night.

2.  waited 30 plus minutes for someone to cut my daughter some fabric for a school project she needed to do by the next day.

Both times I had to wander around trying to find someone with a walkie talkie to get assistance and neither time did anyone show up until I finally grabbed a manager, then still had to wait a few minutes for someone with a GED education to help me.  I like that they are cheap for off the shelf crap but their employees/service is shiat.
 
2013-05-18 08:43:07 PM  
Dollar General has been opening a bunch of stores around here.  Stuff we used to need to go to Target or Wal-Mart for is now available within walking distance at a competitive price.  We don't go to Wal-Mart unless we absolutely have to anymore - we're sick of having to wait so damn long to check out and having to get around all the pallets in the aisles, and hearing them yell at employees over the intercom... not worth it when we can get what we need at DG.  Some of DGs prices are a 25 cents or so higher, but so what?  We'd burn a lot more in that in gas anyway and it'll be over an hour's trip, instead of a few minutes.

/new carniceria opened down the street as well
//stock up on veggies at the Mexican grocery and that finishes off the week's shopping
 
2013-05-18 08:46:41 PM  

Tourney3p0: Fissile: The economy has been reignited?  Really?  So the three foreclosed homes on my block are what the new prosperity looks like?

As for Walmart, I'm gonna guess their customer base is now too poor even for Walmart.

There are what, about 10 average houses per city block?  If we are to assume that your block is average, that would mean about a 30% foreclosure rate.

Of course, this is farking ridiculous and we both know it.  We can only conclude that your block is not average.  That, or you're lying.  Either way, there is your answer.


It depends on where he is from. In Detroit you can drive for blocks and see nothing but old shells of homes, maybe with one occupied house here and there.
 
2013-05-18 08:55:01 PM  

redmid17: If you think they don't know that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you.


I'll buy your bridge and then I'll put toll booths on it and make a fortune.
 
2013-05-18 09:06:01 PM  

knightmike: redmid17: If you think they don't know that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you.

I'll buy your bridge and then I'll put toll booths on it and make a fortune.


I'll send an ill maintained bus full of people over your toll bridge save even more money by hiring a dude who hasn't been able to keep any other job to drive it, and if it crashes and kills people and screws up your bridge I'll shift the blame to a mechanic declare bankruptcy  take the maintenance money I saved on maintenance and go retire in Hawaii.  Have fun raising tolls to fix your bridge u little arshole.  lolz

/always a bigger arsehole in the sea
 
2013-05-18 09:14:48 PM  

aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.


Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?
 
2013-05-18 09:15:49 PM  
I, for one, will not be satisfied until every single employee of wal-mart becomes unemployed and homeless. Maybe we should just put the lot of them against the wall and shoot them.
 
2013-05-18 09:16:31 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, here in town the nice Wal-Mart is surrounded by gates communities and golf courses, and its really nice. The other two Wal-Marts are surrounded by section 8 housing and migrant worker camps, and they're basically bombed out shiatpiles.


Both were built with the corruption of city officials to ensure that they wouldn't have tons of citizens filing objections.
 
2013-05-18 09:19:08 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: aaronx: The story is that Walmart isn't paying people enough to be able to afford to shop at Walmart.

Doesn't Walmart start employee's at a buck or two over minimum wage?

Do you know of any other retail chain, or single store firm, who starts people at higher?


The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.
 
2013-05-18 09:20:03 PM  

cherryl taggart: If I need something to last for less than a month or so, I'll get it at Walmart.  But, if I want something to last longer than it takes to show up on a credit card billing cycle, I'll shop online and/or anywhere else I can.

Although I have noticed more made in America stuff back on the shelves at Walmart.


Mmmmm.... Made in America = Quality? Made in China =/Quality? Seriously?

You're probably too young to remember the epic trek made by the "Made in Japan" label.
 
2013-05-18 09:21:28 PM  

rewind2846: And some of those "name brands" are probably special "Wal-Mart" cheaper versions of those name brands.
Check their electronics... if the model number can't be found on the company website or anywhere else, it's likely that the product was made for sale only through Wal-mart, more cheaply and with features missing.


Oh wow. Thanks for the link, this wasn't something I'd ever heard of before.
 
2013-05-18 09:23:10 PM  

sethstorm: The question is how they treat their workers - since their policies assume that the worker is to be treated with contempt since WMT knows that the worker has no better alternative.  Something about monopsony (as well as forces that approximate it) comes to mind.


A lot of that is going to vary at the store level, the GM, the neighborhood, the alignment of the stars and associated parallax shift..
 
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