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2013-05-18 01:15:20 AM  
Mmmm. Kaylee....
 
2013-05-18 01:22:49 AM  
That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?
 
2013-05-18 02:11:02 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?


TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years
 
2013-05-18 05:39:01 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious


Heart of Gold does not fold space.
 
2013-05-18 06:54:34 AM  

Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years


Wait...who's "they"? What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon"?
 
2013-05-18 07:07:09 AM  
Technically, the TARDIS doesn't "go" anywhere since it exists in all points in space and time simultaneously.
 
2013-05-18 07:45:12 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.


It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.
 
2013-05-18 08:50:08 AM  
PLANET EXPRESS

fark YEAH
 
2013-05-18 09:19:24 AM  
g-ecx.images-amazon.com

Bloater Drive, biatches.
 
2013-05-18 09:24:26 AM  
Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.
 
2013-05-18 09:28:42 AM  

NathanAllen: Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.


I agree.

USS Voyager is a bad ass ship. Look how fast it went to the delta quadrant!
 
2013-05-18 09:30:18 AM  

cman: NathanAllen: Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.

I agree.

USS Voyager is a bad ass ship. Look how fast it went to the delta quadrant!


Yah but it kept breaking down on the way back at such regular intervals you can't help but suspect it was abused as a plot device.
 
2013-05-18 09:33:49 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days


Nerd Qubble:  The Galactica could make the jump to Alpha Centauri in seconds, the trip to the galactic center would take days according to this chart.  The author, however, made some broad assumptions not backed up in the actual show.  The RTFF was in deep space for three years, not counting time on New Caprica,  even with extensive detours for fuel, food, fighting and stopping at the gas station to ask for directions, they could traverse the entire galaxy in all directions hundreds of times.

Nerd Digression:   I suspect the limitations on the Galactica's jumps were more a question of ability to navigate rather than limitations on distance.  Plotting a jump requires specific coordinates and the Colonial systems simply lacked the ability to do this quickly and over great distances the further out into space they traveled from a known point.  (Imagine trying to walk from point to point on a dark, cloudy night with no Moon or stars to navigate, using a compass means you know you are going somewhere in the right direction but not where or how far.  Lacking frame of reference you move very slowly.)  The Cylons, with  their improved AI and sensors could plot longer jumps more accurately, thus increasing their Jump range over Colonial systems.  Neither could make a jump from one side of the Galaxy to the other because they can't plot it with enough accuracy.
 
2013-05-18 09:36:58 AM  
images.persephonemagazine.com
 
2013-05-18 09:38:01 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Alumninum Falcon


www.aerojockey.com
 
2013-05-18 09:49:16 AM  

Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

Bloater Drive, biatches.


When I grow up, I want to be a fuse puller!
 
2013-05-18 09:51:10 AM  

Spad31: Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years

Wait...who's "they"? What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon"?


Robot chicken will always be king of the starwars specials after that one, it was glorious, all of it.
 
2013-05-18 09:55:36 AM  
1960s: "Mr. Sulu, ahead warp factor 6, engage."

1990s: "Mr. Crusher, make it so."

2000s: "Jump!"
 
2013-05-18 09:56:33 AM  
If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?
 
2013-05-18 09:56:45 AM  

Spad31: Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years

Wait...who's "they"? What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon"?


Wait a sec, you've been flying around for two weeks trying to get a signal?... Oh, you must smell like... feet wrapped in leathery, burnt bacon...
 
2013-05-18 09:57:16 AM  

Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]


What the hell is wrong with his left hand? It's turned around backwards...
 
2013-05-18 10:01:57 AM  

0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?


In mobile power mode the the screen savers kick in early.
 
2013-05-18 10:07:14 AM  

Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

Bloater Drive, biatches.


SuperSeriousMan: Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

What the hell is wrong with his left hand? It's turned around backwards...


You do need to read the book!
 
2013-05-18 10:08:15 AM  
What about the Event Horizon?
 
2013-05-18 10:08:52 AM  

SuperSeriousMan: Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

What the hell is wrong with his left hand?


d.gr-assets.com

I'm sure I have no idea what you mean.
 
2013-05-18 10:13:11 AM  

Darkeldar: Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

Bloater Drive, biatches.

SuperSeriousMan: Inigo: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 305x500]

What the hell is wrong with his left hand? It's turned around backwards...

You do need to read the book!



What's this? Bowb your buddy day?
 
2013-05-18 10:14:55 AM  
Gonna get my popcorn for this one, expecting a Star Wars vs. Star Trek thread, especially since TFA shows Star Wars hypedrive being so much faster than warp.

/Which it is
 
2013-05-18 10:22:04 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: What about the Event Horizon?


Hell wasn't an option on the chart.
 
2013-05-18 10:22:08 AM  

0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?


Because it wouldn't be as cool if Picard yells 'Warp 10! Get us out of here NOW!' and nothing changed out the window.

Actually, since they are traveling close to or over the speed of light, all of the light they are able to see will form a circle directly in front of their direction of travel, then collapse into a pin point of light that may contain a view of all the light in the universe.  In this majestic view, we might be able to gaze into eternity, across streams of time, and into their showers to see what they are doing right now.
 
2013-05-18 10:25:12 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: What about the Event Horizon?


That's probably not the best way to travel, what with the ship reappearing seven years later and the entire crew dead. Kind of a design flaw
 
2013-05-18 10:27:24 AM  

child_god: 0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?

Because it wouldn't be as cool if Picard yells 'Warp 10! Get us out of here NOW!' and nothing changed out the window.

Actually, since they are traveling close to or over the speed of light, all of the light they are able to see will form a circle directly in front of their direction of travel, then collapse into a pin point of light that may contain a view of all the light in the universe.  In this majestic view, we might be able to gaze into eternity, across streams of time, and into their showers to see what they are doing right now.


So THAT'S what Space Lincoln is up to out there....
img.trekmovie.com
 
2013-05-18 10:38:59 AM  
...Great. Now I want to know how long it would take Space Lincoln to get to Alpha Centauri...
 
2013-05-18 10:44:16 AM  
www.sg-operations.com

What, no Daedalus?  Andromeda in less than two weeks.
 
2013-05-18 11:02:58 AM  

0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?


You're right, logically it can't be the ship actually passing by stars that fast. It must be a distortion of light as viewed by an observer inside a warp bubble, sort of like a gravitational lensing effect. Otherwise the stars would not move visibly.

A more realistic way to show what the ship was doing would have been to photograph the ship brightly lit, with no stars around it, when it's near a planetary system, since the brightness of the nearby star would wash out any background stars, while in interstellar space, there would be no light except the stars and light coming from the ship.
 
2013-05-18 11:05:02 AM  

Spad31: Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years

Wait...who's "they"? What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon"?


It's parked next to the Starship Secondprize.
 
2013-05-18 11:13:51 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?


The TARDiS. It can get anywhere before it leaves.
 
2013-05-18 11:14:55 AM  
But can any of them travel at plaid?
 
2013-05-18 11:18:59 AM  
I get "Lost in Space" here. and I always have to wonder how it is that a simple accident could put them in ANOTHER GALAXY while they still live.
 
2013-05-18 11:23:40 AM  

RyansPrivates: Gonna get my popcorn for this one, expecting a Star Wars vs. Star Trek thread, especially since TFA shows Star Wars hypedrive being so much faster than warp.

/Which it is


Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.
 
2013-05-18 11:25:56 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.


It does if you know the probability of folding space. :-)
 
2013-05-18 11:29:37 AM  

fredklein: RyansPrivates: Gonna get my popcorn for this one, expecting a Star Wars vs. Star Trek thread, especially since TFA shows Star Wars hypedrive being so much faster than warp.

/Which it is

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.


Yeah, pretty much. I always figured the statement about "point five past light speed" meant that the Falcon's Vmax = 1.5c. But Star Wars abuses terminology and units so badly (insert "Leia can abuse my unit all day long" joke here) that they're meaningless for figuring out real capabilities.
 
2013-05-18 12:00:57 PM  

Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast vary according to the plot.
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years


FTFY
 
2013-05-18 12:05:30 PM  

Mentat: Technically, the TARDIS doesn't "go" anywhere since it exists in all points in space and time simultaneously.


Thats going to present a problem for the doctor....

www.toplessrobot.com
 
2013-05-18 12:08:08 PM  

0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?


I've always fanwanked that they're not stars, but some visual artifact of individual photons, warp field distortion, yadda yadda...Real answer is, of course, "it looks cool".
 
2013-05-18 12:09:05 PM  

0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?


Because seeing a static star field is pretty boring.  You want them to remove all the sound too?

/JJ Trek is a bit more realistic, with a tunnel of light due to the warping of space-time.
 
2013-05-18 12:13:54 PM  

Inigo: Bloater Drive, biatches.


Ha, it warms the cockles of my old nerd heart to see this reference. Awesome.

/still prefer the Stainless Steel Rat and Deathword series.
 
2013-05-18 12:15:55 PM  

EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.


That seems improbable ...
 
2013-05-18 12:19:06 PM  

GRCooper: EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.

That seems improbable ...


As improbable as having been to Hollywood AND Redwood?
 
2013-05-18 12:27:01 PM  

aerojockey: Dave and the Mission: Alumninum Falcon


I thought nothing was obscure on Fark.
 
2013-05-18 12:30:09 PM  
That writer sucked balls.

"I'm going to ignore all evidence that the Enterprise is fast because tee-hee, Star Wars!"

"I'm going to ignore direct evidence and quotes that the Falcon is a slow turd, because tee-hee, Star Wars!"
 
2013-05-18 12:31:53 PM  

INeedAName: But can any of them travel at plaid?


Didn't you know you never ever go plaid
 
2013-05-18 12:37:08 PM  
Did someone just say "WOP"?
 
2013-05-18 12:41:22 PM  
Oh, and WHO THE HELL CARES if a Federation Heavy Cruiser is faster than a smuggler's light transport in another galaxy?

The question should be, is the Enterprise fast enough to lure a Lyran Tiger into running over its own escort frigate with its ESGs?
 
2013-05-18 12:42:31 PM  

INeedAName: But can any of them travel at plaid?


Don't be ludicrous.
 
2013-05-18 12:55:31 PM  
What I really like is that a cartoon seems to have the most logical-sciencey based drive system for interstellar travel.
 
2013-05-18 12:56:23 PM  

Quigs: That writer sucked balls.

"I'm going to ignore all evidence that the Enterprise is fast because tee-hee, Star Wars!"

"I'm going to ignore direct evidence and quotes that the Falcon is a slow turd, because tee-hee, Star Wars!"


Get a life!
 
2013-05-18 01:04:16 PM  
fredklein:

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.


I've never actually understood why that was supposed to be a statement of time.

As I understand the Star Wars universe (granted my knowledge is fairly limited), travel between star systems is primarily limited by the imposition of gravitational bodies. How close you can travel to those gravitational bodies is largely dependent on your skills as a pilot/navigator and the strength of your engines.

Given that ships seem to have very round categories for max speed (i.e. 1.25 Lightspeed, 1.5 Lightspeed, etc.), using distance traveled as a measure when travelling a course notoriously fraught with gravitational obstacles seems to be a fair way to indicate the effective speed of the ship.
 
2013-05-18 01:06:15 PM  

NathanAllen: Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.


reverendogore.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-18 01:34:19 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.


Heart of Gold Spindles and Mutilates space.
 
2013-05-18 01:41:12 PM  

TurnerBrown: Inigo: Bloater Drive, biatches.

Ha, it warms the cockles of my old nerd heart to see this reference. Awesome.

/still prefer the Stainless Steel Rat and Deathword series.


Me too.
 
2013-05-18 02:14:56 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

The Ship of the Imagination travels at the speed of ... THC
 
2013-05-18 02:36:38 PM  

I can't get the cap off!: fredklein:

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.

I've never actually understood why that was supposed to be a statement of time.

As I understand the Star Wars universe (granted my knowledge is fairly limited), travel between star systems is primarily limited by the imposition of gravitational bodies. How close you can travel to those gravitational bodies is largely dependent on your skills as a pilot/navigator and the strength of your engines.

Given that ships seem to have very round categories for max speed (i.e. 1.25 Lightspeed, 1.5 Lightspeed, etc.), using distance traveled as a measure when travelling a course notoriously fraught with gravitational obstacles seems to be a fair way to indicate the effective speed of the ship.


While I agree with you to a degree, and I believe that is explained in detail in one of the Expanded Universe books; I still think it's a cop-out and ignores the fact that Lucas didn't have the presence of mind to open a damn dictionary.

Think of it this way, we travel on roads that much like the gravitational bodies you mentioned, is fraught with construction, detours, traffic jams and other messes, yet MOST of us don't say we can get from Albany to Buffalo in 290 miles, but rather 4 hours.

Also, it's been a while but wasn't the Kessel Run a route used ONLY (or at least, primarily) by smugglers?  I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.
 
2013-05-18 02:39:47 PM  

GRCooper: EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.

That seems improbable ...


Nothing is impossible, but nearly everything that happens is very, very improbable.
 
2013-05-18 02:54:02 PM  

Shan: I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.


Which offers up a completely different interpretation: Han was talking out his ass. He saw a pair of rubes, and fed them a line of bullshiat, finely tuned to get them to buy passage on his ship. Obi-Wan saw through it, but also saw that this was probably their best way off planet anyway (the Force and all that). I sincerely doubt that's what the script intended, but I like it better that way.
 
2013-05-18 03:07:08 PM  

t3knomanser: Shan: I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.

Which offers up a completely different interpretation: Han was talking out his ass. He saw a pair of rubes, and fed them a line of bullshiat, finely tuned to get them to buy passage on his ship. Obi-Wan saw through it, but also saw that this was probably their best way off planet anyway (the Force and all that). I sincerely doubt that's what the script intended, but I like it better that way.


Good point. I have heard but never bothered to research the truth to it, that the actual shooting script indicated similar with a line about Obi-wan having a skeptical reaction to Han's claim.
 
2013-05-18 03:09:33 PM  

Shan: t3knomanser: Shan: I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.

Which offers up a completely different interpretation: Han was talking out his ass. He saw a pair of rubes, and fed them a line of bullshiat, finely tuned to get them to buy passage on his ship. Obi-Wan saw through it, but also saw that this was probably their best way off planet anyway (the Force and all that). I sincerely doubt that's what the script intended, but I like it better that way.

Good point. I have heard but never bothered to research the truth to it, that the actual shooting script indicated similar with a line about Obi-wan having a skeptical reaction to Han's claim.


There is an obi-wan reaction shot in the movie, and he looks bemused.
 
2013-05-18 03:09:52 PM  

chrylis: aerojockey: Dave and the Mission: Alumninum Falcon

I thought nothing was obscure on Fark.


THE IMAGE WAS FOR ME!!!!!~

/i guess
 
2013-05-18 03:18:35 PM  

derpy: Shan: t3knomanser: Shan: I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.

Which offers up a completely different interpretation: Han was talking out his ass. He saw a pair of rubes, and fed them a line of bullshiat, finely tuned to get them to buy passage on his ship. Obi-Wan saw through it, but also saw that this was probably their best way off planet anyway (the Force and all that). I sincerely doubt that's what the script intended, but I like it better that way.

Good point. I have heard but never bothered to research the truth to it, that the actual shooting script indicated similar with a line about Obi-wan having a skeptical reaction to Han's claim.

There is an obi-wan reaction shot in the movie, and he looks bemused.


Yeah that much I remembered, however I was under the impression that the script left it more... obvious.
 
2013-05-18 03:21:39 PM  

I can't get the cap off!: fredklein:

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.

I've never actually understood why that was supposed to be a statement of time.

As I understand the Star Wars universe (granted my knowledge is fairly limited), travel between star systems is primarily limited by the imposition of gravitational bodies. How close you can travel to those gravitational bodies is largely dependent on your skills as a pilot/navigator and the strength of your engines.

Given that ships seem to have very round categories for max speed (i.e. 1.25 Lightspeed, 1.5 Lightspeed, etc.), using distance traveled as a measure when travelling a course notoriously fraught with gravitational obstacles seems to be a fair way to indicate the effective speed of the ship.


The real answer is that Lucas just pulled a bunch of ridiculous sciencey sounding numbers out of his ass because it's a fantasy with wizards and swords that just happens to be set in space.
 
2013-05-18 03:23:29 PM  

EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.


Doesn't it simply find a universe where everything is the same except you're already at where you want to be and pop you over to it?
 
2013-05-18 03:30:36 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Doesn't it simply find a universe where everything is the same except you're already at where you want to be and pop you over to it?


Oh, FFS, have any of you people actually read the book?

It's highly improbable that you're not where you are, but are actually where you want to be. But if you generate a field of sufficiently high improbability, you could actually be where you probably aren't. To be useful for travel, you need to have  infinite improbability fields.
 
2013-05-18 03:39:35 PM  
But how do these compare to lint speed?
 
2013-05-18 03:52:00 PM  
Shan:

While I agree with you to a degree, and I believe that is explained in detail in one of the Expanded Universe books; I still think it's a cop-out and ignores the fact that Lucas didn't have the presence of mind to open a damn dictionary.

Think of it this way, we travel on roads that much like the gravitational bodies you mentioned, is fraught with construction, detours, traffic jams and other messes, yet MOST of us don't say we can get from Albany to Buffalo in 290 miles, but rather 4 hours.

Also, it's been a while but wasn't the Kessel Run a route used ONLY (or at least, primarily) by smugglers?  I bring it up because clearly Luke is a sheltered kid, and likely wouldn't have even HEARD of the KR to know what the hell Han was talking about.


But is that because we don't have the ability to reduce the distance travelled?

Offhand, I don't know how long it takes to drive from NY to LA. I would guess between 35-45 hours, but I'm not really sure. If someone told me it takes them 40 hours, that may be fast. Not positive.

I do however have a rough concept of the distance from NY to LA. If someone told me they could get there in only 500 miles, I'd be incredulous to say the least.

As to the Kessel Run, I'm assuming it would be famous to Luke due to his proximity to Mos Eisley, which I believe was highly used by smugglers. I wouldn't expect him to know to the second what a fast time was through it, but a rough distance is reasonable.
 
2013-05-18 04:07:44 PM  
Supposedly, the lower the hyperdrive number, the faster the ship, with 0.0 being infinite speed. However, all SW hyperdrives can cross the galaxy in a matter of days. It doesn't work near deep gravity wells and apparently needs to use biological creatures and/or the Force in some technology paths.

In other words, like most of the SW universe, someone came after and fixed Lucas' mistakes.
 
2013-05-18 04:30:08 PM  
According to this...img1.etsystatic.com


warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)
 
2013-05-18 04:34:19 PM  
What, no Holly-Hop drive?
 
2013-05-18 04:40:43 PM  

t3knomanser: LrdPhoenix: Doesn't it simply find a universe where everything is the same except you're already at where you want to be and pop you over to it?

Oh, FFS, have any of you people actually read the book?

It's highly improbable that you're not where you are, but are actually where you want to be. But if you generate a field of sufficiently high improbability, you could actually be where you probably aren't. To be useful for travel, you need to have  infinite improbability fields.


The correct response to my post ("that seems improbable") was "infinitely so", or some variation

/not gonna toss out slowpitches if you mokes ain't even gonna swing
 
2013-05-18 05:41:25 PM  

godwin5: According to this...[img1.etsystatic.com image 570x760]


warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)


Which would A.C. about 3 minutes away, and Vulcan about 15 min away.  Article is pulling stuff from their arse.
 
2013-05-18 06:07:51 PM  

spiralscratch: 0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?

I've always fanwanked that they're not stars, but some visual artifact of individual photons, warp field distortion, yadda yadda...Real answer is, of course, "it looks cool".


First of all, I like the term fanwanked.  Secondly, that is what I thought about the "stars" too.
 
2013-05-18 06:32:55 PM  

TurnerBrown: Inigo: Bloater Drive, biatches.

Ha, it warms the cockles of my old nerd heart to see this reference. Awesome.

/still prefer the Stainless Steel Rat and Deathword series.


Seriously. Now I need to re-read the Bill books and the Stainless Steel Rat books.
 
2013-05-18 06:35:09 PM  

godwin5: According to this...


warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)


They recalibration the warp scale for TNG, such that each warp factor is an exponent of lightspeed.
 
2013-05-18 06:53:46 PM  
Roughly 8 hours from Earth's hyper limit to Alpha Centauri using the Theta Band, plus or minus if there is a grav wave in between. But that's only for fast couriers and warships seriously pushing their luck. A MAN streak drive would do it even faster.
 
2013-05-18 06:54:00 PM  
No Andromeda Ascendant? You's failing.
 
2013-05-18 07:24:55 PM  

Dave and the Mission: BarkingUnicorn: That's an impressive bit of nerdy analysis.

So, which is the fastest ship?

TArdis can go anywhere/anytime instantaniously
Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious
Enterprise warp 9 is lightspeed x10^8  very very fast
Alumninum Falcon and other SW ships go everywhere in road trip time, so also very very fast
Galactica can get to Alpha Centauri in six days
Lost in space took almost 6 years
Serenity estimates decades
The Voyager probe would take thousands of years


I feel so curmudgeonly, but I really hate nerd analyses like this article.  (And yes, I recognize all the references.)

Spaceships travel at exactly one velocity:  the speed of plot.  It will get there exactly when it needs to get there, not one moment sooner or later.  Anything more is pointless mental masturbation.

/did not read article
//did not read thread
///really appreciated that Serenity wasn't even an FTL ship
////tired of doubletalk drives
 
2013-05-18 08:09:48 PM  
Nothing is faster than Ludicrous Speed.

/theyve gone plaid....
 
2013-05-18 08:19:58 PM  

NathanAllen: Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.


reverendogore.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-18 08:27:05 PM  

blue_2501: NathanAllen: Easy answer to this one; Voyager. It is a real object and not a plot device.

[reverendogore.files.wordpress.com image 456x283]


d'oh!

/read before posting...that's why god gave you 2 eyes and 10 fingers
//or something
 
2013-05-18 08:31:08 PM  

godwin5: According to this...


warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)


Check your math on that.
 
2013-05-18 08:35:51 PM  

AdrienVeidt: They recalibration the warp scale for TNG, such that each warp factor is an exponent of lightspeed.


That's not even true. They did some fuzzy math on it to get a scale between 0-10, with 10 being infinite speed. Warp 8 was 1024*c. Warp 9 was 1516*c, and then each .9 after that  roughly doubles the speed. It was a messy, ugly hack.
 
2013-05-18 08:40:42 PM  

t3knomanser: AdrienVeidt: They recalibration the warp scale for TNG, such that each warp factor is an exponent of lightspeed.

That's not even true. They did some fuzzy math on it to get a scale between 0-10, with 10 being infinite speed. Warp 8 was 1024*c. Warp 9 was 1516*c, and then each .9 after that  roughly doubles the speed. It was a messy, ugly hack.


Did they ignore that when convenient? I remember "warp 13" at some point in the series.
 
2013-05-18 08:42:10 PM  
Okay, then; been awhile since I read that tech manual, lol.
 
2013-05-18 09:14:30 PM  

BumpInTheNight: 0Icky0: If it takes days for the Enterprise to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest system to ours, why do we see stars streaming past in the view screen any time they kick up into warp?

In mobile power mode the the screen savers kick in early.


Truth: Without that you'd never see that the ship was moving by perspective so it would be cinematographic-ally boring.

Explanation that might work:
Not actually stars but particulate matter pushed to the side by the deflector dish to prevent them from passing through the ship and killing everyone.
 
2013-05-18 09:21:48 PM  

buckler: I get "Lost in Space" here. and I always have to wonder how it is that a simple accident could put them in ANOTHER GALAXY while they still live.


It wasn't an accident.  Dr. Smith sabotaged the mission by programming the robot to send them off course...and kill them all.
 
2013-05-18 09:30:50 PM  

Carth: t3knomanser: AdrienVeidt: They recalibration the warp scale for TNG, such that each warp factor is an exponent of lightspeed.

That's not even true. They did some fuzzy math on it to get a scale between 0-10, with 10 being infinite speed. Warp 8 was 1024*c. Warp 9 was 1516*c, and then each .9 after that  roughly doubles the speed. It was a messy, ugly hack.

Did they ignore that when convenient? I remember "warp 13" at some point in the series.


I think it was "Warp 14" and that was in the original series.  Not exactly sure if they did mention going past Warp 10 in TNG, but it could have happened.  It's a TV show, so mistakes happen.  Or are purposely made to advance plot.
 
2013-05-18 10:22:29 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Okay, then; been awhile since I read that tech manual, lol.



Wolfram Alpha calculates everything. If you ask it for speeds past warp 9, however, it spits out a number and a warning:
(extrapolated from the hand drawn curve from the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual)

eyeq360: It's a TV show, so mistakes happen.


They were actually pretty consistent in TNG. TOS it was just numbers chucked out for no particular reason.
 
2013-05-18 10:39:57 PM  

pheelix: What, no Daedalus? Andromeda in less than two weeks.


Arn_Dee: No Andromeda Ascendant? You's failing.


Now quick, someone mention a Leviathans' Starburst and we can get all the "but you forgot..." mainstays in here.
 
2013-05-18 10:57:50 PM  

eyeq360: Carth: t3knomanser: AdrienVeidt: They recalibration the warp scale for TNG, such that each warp factor is an exponent of lightspeed.

That's not even true. They did some fuzzy math on it to get a scale between 0-10, with 10 being infinite speed. Warp 8 was 1024*c. Warp 9 was 1516*c, and then each .9 after that  roughly doubles the speed. It was a messy, ugly hack.

Did they ignore that when convenient? I remember "warp 13" at some point in the series.

I think it was "Warp 14" and that was in the original series.  Not exactly sure if they did mention going past Warp 10 in TNG, but it could have happened.  It's a TV show, so mistakes happen.  Or are purposely made to advance plot.


It was mentioned on the series finale at least, though that was a possible future. Another rescale perhaps. I don't remember exactly how they described the speeds when the Traveler showed up or when Barclay was made all super genius-y and rebuilt the engines.
 
2013-05-18 11:44:09 PM  

TyrantII: godwin5: According to this...[img1.etsystatic.com image 570x760]


warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)

Which would A.C. about 3 minutes away, and Vulcan about 15 min away.  Article is pulling stuff from their arse.


And the intro to navigation isn't?

Wow.
 
2013-05-19 12:04:20 AM  
Oh no! Not again
 
2013-05-19 01:15:13 AM  

pheelix: [www.sg-operations.com image 757x375]

What, no Daedalus?  Andromeda in less than two weeks.


For that matter, what, no Andromeda?

fc05.deviantart.net
 
2013-05-19 02:20:25 AM  

Telos: pheelix: [www.sg-operations.com image 757x375]

What, no Daedalus?  Andromeda in less than two weeks.

For that matter, what, no Andromeda?

[fc05.deviantart.net image 850x492]


I'd be too busy reprogramming Rommie to be concerned with some stupid race through space.
img001.lazygirls.info
 
2013-05-19 03:55:14 AM  

Telos: pheelix: [www.sg-operations.com image 757x375]

What, no Daedalus?  Andromeda in less than two weeks.

For that matter, what, no Andromeda?

[fc05.deviantart.net image 850x492]


You mean The Andromeda Ascendant.
 
2013-05-19 06:04:47 AM  
The AndroAs is one butt-ass ugly boat. Looks like a robot's ribcage thrown in the air.
 
2013-05-19 07:55:55 AM  

UNC_Samurai: GRCooper: EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.

That seems improbable ...

As improbable as having been to Hollywood AND Redwood?


What about ht eodds of having been to both Paradise and Me?
 
2013-05-19 08:27:48 AM  

macaddict0: godwin5: According to this...
warp speed is Wf3 x c = v.
so warp 9 is 729 times the speed of light or less than 2 min per parsec (3.26 light-years)

Check your math on that.


Yeah, I noticed that.  If it took 2 minutes per parsec, that would mean 1.63 light years per minute.  That would mean that they are travelling at 856,728 times the speed of light, not 729.

macaddict0:
I don't remember exactly how they described the speeds when the Traveler showed up or when Barclay was made all super genius-y and rebuilt the engines.
For the episode with the Traveler, you really can't tell.  On one hand, they're 2.7 million light years away from where they started, so they're in the area of the Andromeda Galaxy, which would mean travelling at an ungodly rate of speed close to Warp 10.  Or they're 1 billion light years away, which implies an even ungodlier rate of speed, even closer to Warp 10.  Or they don't know where the hell they are, which Picard admits.  The TNG Technical Manual says in a footnote that the Enterprise was going at Warp 9.999 something.
When Barclay becomes a super-genius, they don't mention how fast they were going as well, based upon my memory, which might be wrong.  It has to be the Enterprise going super-duper fast and super duper efficient as well, near Warp 10 for more than 12 hours without the fuel being all spent.
 
2013-05-19 09:53:57 AM  

I can't get the cap off!: fredklein:

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.

I've never actually understood why that was supposed to be a statement of time.


Because Han is clearly talking about the ship being fast.

Han Solo: Han Solo. I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon. Chewie here tells me you're lookin' for passage to the Alderaan system?
Obi-Wan: Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Han Solo: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
Obi-Wan: Should I have?
Han Solo: It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. I've outrun Imperial starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you old man. What's the cargo?


It makes no sense to say "My ship's fast. I made the Kessel run in less than 12 miles". It makes sense to say "My ship's fast. I made the Kessel run in less than 12 minutes". Thus, Han was using a unit of distance (parsec)as a unit of time.

(And yes, I've heard the argument that people use- that the Kessel run was near a black hole, and thus your route could be shorter if you went closer to the hole, but then your ship would have to be faster, to escape the gravity-, and it sucks.
 
2013-05-19 02:23:09 PM  
i662.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 02:59:43 PM  

fredklein: I can't get the cap off!: fredklein:

Anything is possible in a universe where you mix up units of distance and time.

/"Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs", my ass.

I've never actually understood why that was supposed to be a statement of time.

Because Han is clearly talking about the ship being fast.

Han Solo: Han Solo. I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon. Chewie here tells me you're lookin' for passage to the Alderaan system?
Obi-Wan: Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Han Solo: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
Obi-Wan: Should I have?
Han Solo: It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. I've outrun Imperial starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you old man. What's the cargo?

It makes no sense to say "My ship's fast. I made the Kessel run in less than 12 miles". It makes sense to say "My ship's fast. I made the Kessel run in less than 12 minutes". Thus, Han was using a unit of distance (parsec)as a unit of time.

(And yes, I've heard the argument that people use- that the Kessel run was near a black hole, and thus your route could be shorter if you went closer to the hole, but then your ship would have to be faster, to escape the gravity-, and it sucks.


Have you considered more obvious answers like, they're in a galaxy far, far away and maybe they use the word parsec as a unit of time and not distance (e.g. a fraction of a second), or "it's made-up, so get over yourselves?"
 
2013-05-19 03:23:45 PM  

pheelix: Telos: pheelix: [www.sg-operations.com image 757x375]

What, no Daedalus?  Andromeda in less than two weeks.

For that matter, what, no Andromeda?

[fc05.deviantart.net image 850x492]

I'd be too busy reprogramming Rommie to be concerned with some stupid race through space.
[img001.lazygirls.info image 640x427]


Ahh, but the beauty of Rommie, aside from her actual physical beauty, is that she's got three separate selfs!  So Rommie can be racing the ship, while Rommie is vigorously exercising your... *cough* programming.  ;)
 
2013-05-19 06:50:47 PM  

EvilEgg: Relatively Obscure: Dave and the Mission: Planet Express ship and Heart of Gold (and the Dune ships) fold space, so almost instantanious

Heart of Gold does not fold space.

It goes through every point of space simultaneously I believe.


That sounds infinitely improbable
 
2013-05-19 07:42:13 PM  

Mega Steve: The Incredible Sexual Egg: What about the Event Horizon?

That's probably not the best way to travel, what with the ship reappearing seven years later and the entire crew dead. Kind of a design flaw


1-media-cdn.foolz.us


That was just a test run. It gets better
 
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