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2013-05-17 10:45:28 PM
What's sad is syfy doesn't have much sci fi anymore.
 
2013-05-17 10:46:08 PM
Bastards
 
2013-05-17 10:50:37 PM
WTF? Syfy seems to go out of it's way to develop a show and then chop it off at it's knees. That's why I haven't watched Defiance because I dont want to get into another show and then lose it too soon ala' Alphas.
 
2013-05-17 10:53:53 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Also, six farking episodes? What the fark?
 
2013-05-17 10:59:32 PM
It's not all bad. Now there will be time for an extra season of  Lost Girl, starring Anna Silk's clevage.
 
2013-05-17 11:24:42 PM
I wonder whatever happened to the planned H.G. Wells spinoff, specially now that Jamie Murray is on Defiance (which has been renewed for a 2nd season.)
 
2013-05-18 12:03:17 AM
*scans headline*

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2013-05-18 12:41:25 AM
It was OK, but it was never my favorite.  It was always a bit cheesy (but I guess that was part of the charm).

If SyFy replaces it with some quality programming I'd be OK with it.  The channel needs a spaceship show.

BBC America is putting out some quality stuff though. Orphan Black is very well written, very well acted, and has an interesting plot so far. It's right in the running for best sic-if show on TV right now.
 
2013-05-18 12:46:14 AM

TuteTibiImperes: BBC America is putting out some quality stuff though. Orphan Black is very well written, very well acted, and has an interesting plot so far. It's right in the running for best sic-if show on TV right now.


Hear, hear. I can't say enough good things about OB. I fully expect it to be renewed for a second season.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-05-18 01:32:21 AM
Shame, my sister loves that show.

And it's also a shame that syfy has abandoned completely those who made it profitable.

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/why am I posting? because above.
 
2013-05-18 02:35:41 AM
They need to clear the schedule for more wrasselin'
 
2013-05-18 02:51:04 AM

NuttierThanEver: WTF? Syfy seems to go out of it's way to develop a show and then chop it off at it's knees. That's why I haven't watched Defiance because I dont want to get into another show and then lose it too soon ala' Alphas.


Well, season 2 of Defiance has already been ordered at least.
 
2013-05-18 04:16:33 AM

The Bestest: NuttierThanEver: WTF? Syfy seems to go out of it's way to develop a show and then chop it off at it's knees. That's why I haven't watched Defiance because I dont want to get into another show and then lose it too soon ala' Alphas.

Well, season 2 of Defiance has already been ordered at least.


Probably why they canceled Warehouse 13.  They only have enough money to keep one show going.
 
2013-05-18 04:23:04 AM
Wow seriously 4 years ago I would tune into syfy almost daily but after this Face Off will literally be the only show of their's I watch. Things like this are why Canada sucks.
 
2013-05-18 04:26:08 AM

Revek: What's sad is syfy doesn't have much sci fi anymore.


Sci-fi channel has always had horror and fantasy. I would me worried about the shiatty reality tv shows it keeps cranking out.
 
2013-05-18 04:54:01 AM

ScaryBottles: Things like this are why Canada sucks.


With Orphan Black and Continuum, Canada might be putting out more good Sci Fi than any other country at the moment. Weird thought.
 
2013-05-18 04:56:47 AM
I kinda liked the first 2 seasons
but claudia talking out the side of her mouth while constantly patting herself on the back ruined the show afaic

When I first heard of the show and it's concept, had hopes of something along the lines of The SCP Foundation
Instead it was some weak dramedy

and they really beat *The Power of Love and / or Friendship* trope to death
 
2013-05-18 05:15:27 AM
I think "neutralized" would have been a better choice over "airlocked."

Because "purple-gooed" just sounds silly.
 
2013-05-18 05:17:06 AM

Lsherm: The Bestest: NuttierThanEver: WTF? Syfy seems to go out of it's way to develop a show and then chop it off at it's knees. That's why I haven't watched Defiance because I dont want to get into another show and then lose it too soon ala' Alphas.

Well, season 2 of Defiance has already been ordered at least.

Probably why they canceled Warehouse 13.  They only have enough money to keep one show going.


I was going to say Defiance only got a second season because of the game making money for them, but I just checked and there seems to be no subscription fees to play. Also Trion just laid off workers so knowing Syfy it'll be interesting to see which caves first the game or the show.

I will say I'm not surprised at all Syfy has sucked when they first aired Eureka, not that the show was bad it just aired around the time of BSG ending, Stargate struggling to survive, and Doctor Who getting chopped up before getting axed from the network, then came the syphilis name change and no main attraction. Other networks ate syfy's lunch, want zombies? AMC, want vampires? HBO, want a time traveling alien that uses brain power over heavy firepower? BBCA, want fantasy? HBO, want scifi movies? Showtime Beyond, want wrasslin? Syfy...ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-05-18 05:29:42 AM
Is anyone watching Defiance?

I checked out the first 3 episodes and it's...OK. It suffers really heavily from a lack of originality and an unwillingness to break out of familiar genre tropes. That and flat characters and some c-grade acting talent.

I'd liken it to something like a budget version of Firefly or Farscape, but it actually has a decent budget. Just less talented people making it.
 
2013-05-18 05:37:53 AM

Gunther: Is anyone watching Defiance?

I checked out the first 3 episodes and it's...OK. It suffers really heavily from a lack of originality and an unwillingness to break out of familiar genre tropes. That and flat characters and some c-grade acting talent.

I'd liken it to something like a budget version of Firefly or Farscape, but it actually has a decent budget. Just less talented people making it.


It's tied in with a game of the same name whatever happens on the show affects the game. So think of the show as a live action cutscene from a 90's era game like Night Trap and the show is actually pretty good.
 
2013-05-18 05:39:02 AM
Did they ever pay Steve Jackson Games for the show?  I never read a follow up on that.
 
2013-05-18 05:50:38 AM
.....Hasn't Warehouse 13 been their highest rated show? This doesn't make any sense, even for SyFy. Defiance is getting better ratings now, but it's typical for new shows to get high ratings which then drop off.  Are they betting that season 2 of Defiance would do better than another season of Warehouse 13 after so few episodes of Defiance? Defiance hasn't exactly been getting good reviews. It's been getting a lot of 'meh, it's not terribles', which isn't exactly a reason to think they can hold viewership.
 
2013-05-18 05:55:36 AM

Trik: I kinda liked the first 2 seasons
but claudia talking out the side of her mouth while constantly patting herself on the back ruined the show afaic

When I first heard of the show and it's concept, had hopes of something along the lines of The SCP Foundation
Instead it was some weak dramedy

and they really beat *The Power of Love and / or Friendship* trope to death


I was hoping for an episodic version of The Lost Room.  There's a show with a rich mythology and a brain-scratcher of a concept.

Deadite: I was going to say Defiance only got a second season because of the game making money for them, but I just checked and there seems to be no subscription fees to play. Also Trion just laid off workers so knowing Syfy it'll be interesting to see which caves first the game or the show.

I will say I'm not surprised at all Syfy has sucked when they first aired Eureka, not that the show was bad it just aired around the time of BSG ending, Stargate struggling to survive, and Doctor Who getting chopped up before getting axed from the network, then came the syphilis name change and no main attraction. Other networks ate syfy's lunch, want zombies? AMC, want vampires? HBO, want a time traveling alien that uses brain power over heavy firepower? BBCA, want fantasy? HBO, want scifi movies? Showtime Beyond, want wrasslin? Syfy...ಠ_ಠ


I really want Defiance to succeed as a show, not only because it seems to be "hard" scifi (psychic powers notwithstanding) but because of the whole MMO+TV Show concept.  I like the idea of a deep, complex world that makes you want to learn more, and then being given a video game that lets you do that very thing.  There are so many shows I've seen where the whole universe is just awash with potential awesomeness that I desperately want to see more of (like The Lost Room).  The few times those TV shows have done video game crossovers it's all been retreads of the same things we already saw and/or stuff that may or may not be canon.  Also the games are quite often crap (looking at you, Farscape).  Defiance doesn't seem to fall into that trap.  The MMO aspect means by nature it has to be more than just a trivial exercise in slapping branding on a generic FPS/RTS/RPG/etc., and from what I hear it isn't bad (though not amazing either).  I want that to pan out for SyFy, because I want other studios to do the same thing with some franchise I really like.

Also the TV show isn't bad.  I could say "it's no Stargate/Farscape/BSG/etc.", but until their first seasons were over none of those shows were what they becaome.  Defiance could turn into a powerhouse of a show. I certainly find the setting compelling and the characters likeable enough.

As far as SyFy getting hammered by every other network... yes, absolutely.  SyFy (well, Bonnie Hammer) has been milking the "we're cable, we can't compete with the Big Networks" excuse for the past decade, while other cable networks (in particular AMC, FX, and now BBCA) have spent that time creating TV shows that are too goddamn badass to be shown on network TV.  SyFy could do this too, but instead they'd rather make shows that take zero advantage of the freedoms offered by being on cable (like subject matter) and instead play out like shows which just weren't good enough for the major networks.
 
2013-05-18 05:56:04 AM

Gunther: Is anyone watching Defiance?

I checked out the first 3 episodes and it's...OK. It suffers really heavily from a lack of originality and an unwillingness to break out of familiar genre tropes. That and flat characters and some c-grade acting talent.

I'd liken it to something like a budget version of Firefly or Farscape, but it actually has a decent budget. Just less talented people making it.


I've been watching it. 'It's.....ok', is probably the best review you can Defiance. I keep watching fom the scenery and aliens, but that's about what it has going on for it. I don't know if I'll keep watching it or not. The last episode was probably the worst one for me, if more turn out like that then I don't know if it's worth it. You always hope the pilot will be shaky and a series will pick up, but Defiance hasn't really shown any signs of improving from the pilot.
 
2013-05-18 06:00:01 AM
Wait a second, now that I think of it....why is Warehouse 13 being aired after Defiance? You'd think it would do better at 8 o clock instead of 10. Canceling it instead of trying to move the family-friendly show to the earlier timeslot seems odd. Warehouse 13 was always aired earlier, I think. Oh well.
 
2013-05-18 06:10:35 AM
I just hope they do a sequel to Mansquito,
 
2013-05-18 06:11:36 AM

Revek: What's sad is syfy doesn't have much sci fi anymore.


Same with The History, Military, A&E etc.  It is all a bunch of reality garbage or non-channel related filler:



FOr example why does the "Military Channel" stuff about King Tut or Secrets fo the US mint, Dillinger or the RFK assasination? What next? Epsodes of Pawn Stars or Ancient Aliens? Maybe a an AIr Force basic training reality show.
 
2013-05-18 06:16:02 AM
I think a reference to bronzing the show might have been more appropriate.
 
2013-05-18 06:28:31 AM

Old Man Winter: Did they ever pay Steve Jackson Games for the show?  I never read a follow up on that.


Why? Not like SJG invented that trope (e.g., Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc). And it's been used by others without issue as well (e.g., The Librarian).
 
2013-05-18 06:38:37 AM
In before someone makes an oh-so-witty  wr--


Tarkus: They need to clear the schedule for more wrasselin'



*sigh*  Thank you, dum-dum.
 
2013-05-18 06:40:44 AM
It's been circling the drain since the ending of season 3, not surprised to see it go.
 
2013-05-18 06:55:00 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

I watched it when it first started up, it was appealing enough to bother spending an hour a week paying attention to it, by no means good though. Then they did the FBI lady (Micha?) goes to modeling school, or whatever, story and I'm like: "TV show, you just insulted my intelligence with a beyond believability plotline." And I was done with the show, never went back.

It's not that the chick isn't hot enough to be a model, it was just a BAD plotline. And I really enjoy Saul Rubinek as an actor so that was the main appeal to me. I just couldn't get passed the mediocre writing once it got insulting.
 
2013-05-18 06:55:28 AM

ArcadianRefugee: I think a reference to bronzing the show might have been more appropriate.


That implies it'll come back.
 
2013-05-18 07:09:56 AM

Gunther: Is anyone watching Defiance?

I checked out the first 3 episodes and it's...OK. It suffers really heavily from a lack of originality and an unwillingness to break out of familiar genre tropes. That and flat characters and some c-grade acting talent.

I'd liken it to something like a budget version of Firefly or Farscape, but it actually has a decent budget. Just less talented people making it.


I watch it. They dumped a metric ass-tonne of the sfx budget into the first show, and it's really interesting to watch. The show does have potential.

Orphan Black and Continuum are awesome.

/I'm hoping that Agents of SHIELD will be good.
 
2013-05-18 07:34:27 AM
yukichigai:

I really want Defiance to succeed as a show, not only because it seems to be "hard" scifi (psychic powers notwithstanding) but because of the whole MMO+TV Show concept.  I like the idea of a deep, complex world that makes you want to learn more, and then being given a video game that lets you do that very thing. There are so many shows I've seen where the whole universe is just awash with potential awesomeness that I desperately want to see more of (like The Lost Room).  The few times those TV shows have done video game crossovers it's all been retreads of the same things we already saw and/or stuff that may or may not be canon.  Also the games ...

Also the TV show isn't bad.  I could say "it's no Stargate/Farscape/BSG/etc.", but until their first seasons were over none of those shows were what they becaome. Defiance could turn into a powerhouse of a show. I certainly find the setting compelling and the characters likeable enough.

I agree with the first part whole heartily as I think it would be an awesome way for say Pokemon to work, MMO game that get new areas with new pokemon when the show changes location/area. Have the show affect the main game and have the movies affect the end game before a new area/expansion is released.

As for the second I'm just really cynical until Bonnie Hammer and those who think she's great at her job go the fark away. Until that happens I can't put too much faith in shows lasting long enough on that network to get into a stride and become better then their first season. Defiance has a good shot since there is base of players who'll watch the show to see what happens, but I just have doubts about them keeping up with the game. The game is going to have to add stuff between seasons to keep it interesting but the show unless split a few times so season 1 lasts all year long so one season blends into another without a gap that lasts 4 or more months like most of regular tv. I just don't see syfy with their history being able to make it work though.
 
2013-05-18 07:37:14 AM
Comes down to money you can make an episode of ghost hunters for the cost of a few doughnuts and a case of mountain dew.
 
2013-05-18 07:41:34 AM

dramatools: It's not all bad. Now there will be time for an extra season of  Lost Girl, starring Anna Silk's clevage.


unless you're already downloading them from Canada.
 
2013-05-18 07:48:03 AM

ambercat: .....Hasn't Warehouse 13 been their highest rated show? This doesn't make any sense, even for SyFy. Defiance is getting better ratings now, but it's typical for new shows to get high ratings which then drop off.  Are they betting that season 2 of Defiance would do better than another season of Warehouse 13 after so few episodes of Defiance? Defiance hasn't exactly been getting good reviews. It's been getting a lot of 'meh, it's not terribles', which isn't exactly a reason to think they can hold viewership.


SyFy always cancels their highest rated shows.  It's their way of continually shooting themselves in the ass.....and saving money on salaries.

Gunther: With Orphan Black and Continuum, Canada might be putting out more good Sci Fi than any other country at the moment. Weird thought.


ABC shoots Once Upon A Time in Canada, much like Defiance & Being Human, because they seem to be much more adept at creating SciFi/Fantasy there.
 
2013-05-18 07:51:40 AM

Deadite: As for the second I'm just really cynical until Bonnie Hammer and those who think she's great at her job go the fark away. Until that happens I can't put too much faith in shows lasting long enough on that network to get into a stride and become better then their first season. Defiance has a good shot since there is base of players who'll watch the show to see what happens, but I just have doubts about them keeping up with the game. The game is going to have to add stuff between seasons to keep it interesting but the show unless split a few times so season 1 lasts all year long so one season blends into another without a gap that lasts 4 or more months like most of regular tv. I just don't see syfy with their history being

able to make it work though

The thing is, Bonnie Hammer et al are only involved in the TV show side of things.  Their names aren't anywhere in the credits on the game.  The video game itself is written by a completely different set of people.  I'm not sure what kind of deal Trion has with SyFy to produce this thing, but I doubt "Bonnie Hammer must personally sign off on all the plot" is among them.  With the three head writers, sure, but those guys are all people with some serious writing cred.  I'm pretty sure they could come up with a situation that would allow for a ton of content to happen between the gap in seasons without derailing the main plot of the TV show.

Honestly, I figure by the end of Season 1 we're going to see some kind of formalized conflict between Earth Republic and Defiance, probably some kind of Cold War.  Having a new, powerful faction (Defiance) suddenly spring up to take on the great government monolith would provide months if not years of potential content for an MMO.
 
2013-05-18 07:59:22 AM

yukichigai: Deadite: As for the second I'm just really cynical until Bonnie Hammer and those who think she's great at her job go the fark away. Until that happens I can't put too much faith in shows lasting long enough on that network to get into a stride and become better then their first season. Defiance has a good shot since there is base of players who'll watch the show to see what happens, but I just have doubts about them keeping up with the game. The game is going to have to add stuff between seasons to keep it interesting but the show unless split a few times so season 1 lasts all year long so one season blends into another without a gap that lasts 4 or more months like most of regular tv. I just don't see syfy with their history being able to make it work though

The thing is, Bonnie Hammer et al are only involved in the TV show side of things.  Their names aren't anywhere in the credits on the game.  The video game itself is written by a completely different set of people.  I'm not sure what kind of deal Trion has with SyFy to produce this thing, but I doubt "Bonnie Hammer must personally sign off on all the plot" is among them.  With the three head writers, sure, but those guys are all people with some serious writing cred.  I'm pretty sure they could come up with a situation that would allow for a ton of content to happen between the gap in seasons without derailing the main plot of the TV show.

Honestly, I figure by the end of Season 1 we're going to see some kind of formalized conflict between Earth Republic and Defiance, probably some kind of Cold War.  Having a new, powerful faction (Defiance) suddenly spring up to take on the great government monolith would provide months if not years of potential content for an MMO.


The game and the show are hardly related. Don't let their P.R. bullshiat fool you. The game is set in San Francisco. They had a few missions where the main guy and alien chick were in the game, but they removed them when the show launched. Now you just run around shooting bugs in San Francisco while the show does completely different crap in St. Louis.
 
2013-05-18 08:00:26 AM

StrikitRich: dramatools: It's not all bad. Now there will be time for an extra season of  Lost Girl, starring Anna Silk's clevage.

unless you're already downloading them from Canada.


You can download Anna Silk's cleavage?

/all hail 3D printing!
 
2013-05-18 08:15:37 AM

Deadite: As for the second I'm just really cynical until Bonnie Hammer and those who think she's great at her job go the fark away


Well, while I have a hatred for the woman she is no longer directly in charge of Syfy (yecchh).  She's more of the overseer of all the NBC/Universal cable networks.  The woman wouldn't know good science fiction if it walked up and bit her in the ass but she has had success elsewhere.  However, her other successes have ensured she won't be sent far enough away to satisfy her detractors

As for Defiance, it's a western set on a terraformed earth.   There's potential there but it hasn't been realized yet.
 
2013-05-18 08:38:46 AM
Not enough pics of Allison Scagliotti in this thread
 
2013-05-18 09:11:31 AM

Nefarious: Deadite: As for the second I'm just really cynical until Bonnie Hammer and those who think she's great at her job go the fark away

Well, while I have a hatred for the woman she is no longer directly in charge of Syfy (yecchh).  She's more of the overseer of all the NBC/Universal cable networks.  The woman wouldn't know good science fiction if it walked up and bit her in the ass but she has had success elsewhere.  However, her other successes have ensured she won't be sent far enough away to satisfy her detractors

As for Defiance, it's a western set on a terraformed earth.   There's potential there but it hasn't been realized yet.


Terra Nova Part Deux
 
2013-05-18 09:13:59 AM
I've never seen it. I gave up on  the Syfy channel when they killed SGU. They can rot in hell that alone in my book.

/ I know MGM went under but, they didn't help.
 
2013-05-18 09:23:53 AM

Gunther: Is anyone watching Defiance?

I checked out the first 3 episodes and it's...OK. It suffers really heavily from a lack of originality and an unwillingness to break out of familiar genre tropes. That and flat characters and some c-grade acting talent.

I'd liken it to something like a budget version of Firefly or Farscape, but it actually has a decent budget. Just less talented people making it.


It's the first big budget game tie in anyone's done.  They expectation, I suspect, was to just strap some average writing and acting to a vehicle and let the game-show synergize to catapult both above the tepid piss of mediocrity they sleep in. The Defiance game certainly isn't anything to write home about. It's a PVE shooter with flat character progression (that is, a level 1 char is within 5-10% of the stats of a level 5000, or capped, char, weapons don't progress, etc.).

I'm not really shocked about the Warehous 13 cancel though. Why do Americans need shows that run forever? Why can't we just have well written, tight story arcs, and let it die?
 
2013-05-18 09:24:47 AM

Evil Mackerel: I've never seen it. I gave up on  the Syfy channel when they killed SGU. They can rot in hell that alone in my book.

/ I know MGM went under but, they didn't help.


It's a good show. You can tell they get along well off the set and they're having fun. Takes a few episodes to get in but the plot is simple enough with a few good story arcs.

The other show the wife and I got into is Eureka. It started to drag on but they found a few good ways to really change up the characers without having everything reset the next episode. And Wil Wheaton plays a part in the later seasons.

Both are on Netflix.
 
2013-05-18 09:42:45 AM
Actors and producers were tweeting some time ago that people needed to watch at broadcast rather than download and watch later for the show to survive. Syfy's problem is that a sizable percentage of the target audience for this sort of content doesn't consume TV in a monetizable manner. The audience is there - but has the attitude "why buy the cow when you get the milk for free"
 
2013-05-18 09:50:21 AM

Apos: TuteTibiImperes: BBC America is putting out some quality stuff though. Orphan Black is very well written, very well acted, and has an interesting plot so far. It's right in the running for best sic-if show on TV right now.

Hear, hear. I can't say enough good things about OB. I fully expect it to be renewed for a second season.


It got renewed two weeks ago
 
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