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2013-05-18 01:22:19 AM
Heaven forbid people have a place to rest, in peace.
 
2013-05-18 01:22:21 AM
Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?
 
2013-05-18 01:23:28 AM
Until they find out about this article... then it will be a campground.
 
2013-05-18 01:23:54 AM
Cemetery or interment camp?
 
2013-05-18 01:24:26 AM

gweilo8888: Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?


Like what?
 
2013-05-18 01:26:32 AM
THEY ONLY MOVED THE HEADSTONES!!!!
 
2013-05-18 01:27:18 AM

gweilo8888: Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?


How many homeless shelters do you own exactly?
 
2013-05-18 01:27:56 AM
And now that everyone knows it's fake, guess who's moving in?
 
2013-05-18 01:31:31 AM
Texas, huh. That sounds about right.
 
2013-05-18 01:31:57 AM
It amuses me how much resources are spent on avoiding homeless people but once someone mentions spending some money on social programs, that is somehow entirely unacceptable.
 
2013-05-18 01:32:10 AM
static.prtst.net
 
2013-05-18 01:32:14 AM
Are the homeless scared of zombies?
 
2013-05-18 01:34:23 AM
But won't that just attract the goths?
 
2013-05-18 01:35:47 AM
So instead of homeless people being there, he'll attract poorly dressed Goths who write bad poetry in cemeteries.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-18 01:38:34 AM
could be worse. owner could be allowing homeless to sleep on his too small to develop odd lot, kill and rape them at random, build a cage with their bones. see? he's not so bad.
 
2013-05-18 01:39:36 AM
Even without bodies, a fenced-in area with memorial headstone is technically a real cemetery.
 
2013-05-18 01:40:51 AM
Should've just strewn a bag of nails around so they can't sleep on the ground, can pick them up with a magnet later. Hobos don't have magnets.
 
2013-05-18 01:40:53 AM
I think most of us want the best for most people.  Having said that, I have seen how a significant portion of my city has become completely destitute over the last 20 years or so after the enormous homeless shelter was built.  It was done with the best of intentions, but the area of town within a mile or so of the shelter has become virtually worthless.

NIMBYism sounds awful, but I know I would be furious if I worked my whole life just to find out the city was going to build a homeless shelter in my backyard.  I don't know what the answer is

I do think this guy had a decent idea.  He just shouldn't have advertised it.  Homeless people aren't disconnected with reality.  Once they know these are fake headstones he will have the same problem.
 
2013-05-18 01:44:35 AM
I don't see why homeless people would care if it's a cemetery.
I wouldn't care.
Not much difference between a cemetery or a park.
 
2013-05-18 01:47:40 AM
Hero tag? Really Subby? What a heroric land owner, saving himself from the smelly vagrants.
 
2013-05-18 01:49:34 AM

KrispyKritter: could be worse. owner could be allowing homeless to sleep on his too small to develop odd lot, kill and rape them at random, build a cage with their bones. see? he's not so bad.


I was actually thinking that in year a few months when everyone has forgotten about this nobody is going to think twice about freshly dug graves in a "cemetery"
 
2013-05-18 01:50:45 AM
Seeing as homeless people were already sleeping there, i doubt they were fooled into thinking it suddenly became a graveyard one day, with just tombstones appearing and no evidence of burials. The reason they stopped was probably them not wanting people less familiar with the area to think they're sleeping in one.

Or maybe they think it's some kind of trap.
 
2013-05-18 01:57:13 AM
So now we know where all that making a noun into a verb comes from......hoovering....*looks up urban dictionary definition*... so the kitten threatened suicide by washer or the cow holding her was the manipulative one...I'm confused
 
2013-05-18 01:59:20 AM

Begoggle: I don't see why homeless people would care if it's a cemetery.
I wouldn't care.
Not much difference between a cemetery or a park.


That's what I was thinking if you are desperate enough to be out on the street in the first place why would a few gravestones stop you?
 
2013-05-18 02:04:11 AM
....and drunk.
I'm in the wrong thread......
.......
But what about Feck?
 
2013-05-18 02:05:34 AM
If our civilization, or at least Texas, ever goes the way of the Dodo bird and a future civilization finds two cemeteries with duplicate headstones, one with bodies, one without, they might get confused. Or start a new religion.
 
2013-05-18 02:06:52 AM

insertsnarkyusername: gweilo8888: Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?

Like what?


Hey, every square inch must be paved or built on or else THE COMMUNISTS HAVE WON!
 
2013-05-18 02:07:47 AM

Wookie_Jesus: ....and drunk.
I'm in the wrong thread......
.......
But what about Feck?


I don't know that your original comment was that out of place.
 
2013-05-18 02:09:13 AM

insertsnarkyusername: gweilo8888: Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?

Like what?


Like anything. Buying limited resources solely to profit from them, without any intention of using them, when other people can no longer afford those resources because the price is skyrocketing is pretty much the definition of greed.

astouffer: gweilo8888: Or, instead of buying a piece of land solely as an investment and wasting money on putting a fake cemetery there, maybe you could use it for something useful, Mr. Property Owner?

How many homeless shelters do you own exactly?


Nice strawman. Did I say the land had to be used for the homeless? No.

Put whatever it is zoned for on it. I really don't give a shiat if it's a homeless shelter, a condo, a luxury apartment building, a doctor's office, a gas station, a park, or hell -- even a landfill. At least it is being used, instead of going completely to waste. (And having further resources wasted on keeping homeless people off it, not to mention likely requiring extra taxpayer resources (police, fire, etc.) to cope with the homeless people it's attracting.)

It should in a fair world be used for *something*, or sold to somebody who has a need for it. Intentionally tying up resources you have no intention of using is disgusting.
 
2013-05-18 02:12:19 AM

wildcardjack: Hey, every square inch must be paved or built on or else THE COMMUNISTS HAVE WON!


Every square inch that has been zoned for paving or building should be *available* to pave or build upon, yes. In case you hadn't noticed, we have plenty of people and businesses that can't afford property, and that's in no small part because of asshole property speculators who inflate prices by holding onto empty land solely to sell one day when the price has spiked because not enough land is available and/or all the adjacent land has been developed in a particular neighborhood, or similarly holding onto empty property because it's an investment instead of letting somebody else pay to live / conduct business there.
 
2013-05-18 02:20:35 AM
theendofbeing.com

There's worse places.
 
2013-05-18 02:21:07 AM

Maybe you should drive: I think most of us want the best for most people.  Having said that, I have seen how a significant portion of my city has become completely destitute over the last 20 years or so after the enormous homeless shelter was built.  It was done with the best of intentions, but the area of town within a mile or so of the shelter has become virtually worthless.

NIMBYism sounds awful, but I know I would be furious if I worked my whole life just to find out the city was going to build a homeless shelter in my backyard.  I don't know what the answer is

I do think this guy had a decent idea.  He just shouldn't have advertised it.  Homeless people aren't disconnected with reality.  Once they know these are fake headstones he will have the same problem.


So lots of people saw how awesome those homeless people had it and decided hey let's give that a shot!  I kinda doubt it.
 
2013-05-18 02:22:54 AM

Zombie Butler: Begoggle: I don't see why homeless people would care if it's a cemetery.
I wouldn't care.
Not much difference between a cemetery or a park.

That's what I was thinking if you are desperate enough to be out on the street in the first place why would a few gravestones stop you?


It wouldn't if you were a rational homeless person.
 
2013-05-18 02:23:19 AM

Zombie Butler: Begoggle: I don't see why homeless people would care if it's a cemetery.
I wouldn't care.
Not much difference between a cemetery or a park.

That's what I was thinking if you are desperate enough to be out on the street in the first place why would a few gravestones stop you?


Because these would be people who are chronically homeless, not temporarily homeless because of job loss or medical bills. They probably have some combination of mental illness/substance abuse problems which for them, in an odd way... makes living inside a regular home something they can't handle and can sometimes be afraid of, depending on what their paranoia issues are. By the time you're pissing on yourself and yelling about Neptunians in your brainwaves, or prostituting yourself under a bridge for your next crack fix, home ownership or even renting an apartment isn't really on your radar. All you're thinking about is where you can live outdoors, and as such, different locations have different desirability levels to you. For most people, parks are more comfortable than cemeteries. For them it's not like homelessness all one homogeneous thing, not just the state of not having a house, they've accepted that they live outdoors and they're not focused on becoming non-homeless. They're just thinking about how to make homelessness more pleasant for themselves.
 
2013-05-18 02:26:36 AM
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2013-05-18 02:38:00 AM
A sign that says "Now Hiring" would have been more effective.
 
2013-05-18 02:43:07 AM

squibbits: Until they find out about this article... then it will be a campground.


One of my favorite Simpsons moments is from the movie when Skinner's mom shrieks, "Don't look where I'm pointing!"

For some reason people love to take a small issue, publicize it, and then have more attention paid than if they had just STF'dU. I'm not saying this guy did that (he did ask not to be named), but we all know stories about some high school chick upset about a yearbook photo showing her panties that international pervs now see. If she had just let it go, no one would have noticed. Instead, she went to the press.
 
2013-05-18 02:44:31 AM

pippi longstocking: A sign that says "Now Hiring" would have been more effective.


I see you have never been homeless
 
2013-05-18 02:48:14 AM

pippi longstocking: A sign that says "Now Hiring" would have been more effective.


My GF, who runs a coffee shop (I wish it were a bar), recently had a homeless guy beg not for a handout, but to do some manual labor in exchange for a modest wage. And he did it - the windows and everything. I think she gave him $20 or so, and in exchange she left work an hour early.

Thing is, you only notice the lazy, or the "lifestyle" types mentioned in this thread. Lost in this discussion are all the people who genuinely want to work. Work provides a sense of pride and purpose, no matter how menial it is, and most people need that.
 
2013-05-18 02:53:28 AM

gweilo8888: wildcardjack: Hey, every square inch must be paved or built on or else THE COMMUNISTS HAVE WON!

Every square inch that has been zoned for paving or building should be *available* to pave or build upon, yes. In case you hadn't noticed, we have plenty of people and businesses that can't afford property, and that's in no small part because of asshole property speculators who inflate prices by holding onto empty land solely to sell one day when the price has spiked because not enough land is available and/or all the adjacent land has been developed in a particular neighborhood, or similarly holding onto empty property because it's an investment instead of letting somebody else pay to live / conduct business there.


Quite simple "fark you." People can do whatever they want with their property. They are not entitled to do jackshiat with it.
 
2013-05-18 02:53:56 AM
I commented  in the wrong thread but you are insane.
gweilo8888:
Every square inch that has been zoned for paving or building should be *available* to pave or build upon, yes. In case you hadn't noticed, we have plenty of people and businesses that can't afford property, and that's in no small part because of asshole property speculators who inflate prices by holding onto empty land solely to sell one day when the price has spiked because not enough land is available and/or all the adjacent land has been developed in a particular neighborhood, or similarly holding onto empty property because it's an investment instead of letting somebody else pay to live / conduct business there.

If someone is smarter than you and speculates (also takes the risk) that something might be of more value in the future they should be penalized for their investment?
If I buy a tulip bulb at $1 in hopes that someone will buy it @ $200 dollars in a year and I actually sell at that price; who is in the wrong at that point?
If I buy the same bulb at $100 and fail to see the market peak and finally sell at $75, who is wrong at this point?
There are many faults in capitalism, speculation is not one of them. For all the people that get rich there are ten that lose everything and start over.
There lies the key, keep trying.
Use your brain, invent a better thing, come up with a better way to do something or just be a better human in general.
I'm not rich and the world isn't perfect.
I use those two statements not as complaints but as a reason to motivate myself into action.
I realize that the majority of us just want to come home from work, hug our kids, kiss our wife and catch our favorite show. I do too.
Fark has shown me that there are a lot of backseat drivers.
*Welcome to Fark.jpg encouraged*
I also see an opportunity to not be a self-centered nobody complaining about all the things that I don't like and actually try to better myself and the world around me
 
2013-05-18 02:56:36 AM

Carn: So lots of people saw how awesome those homeless people had it and decided hey let's give that a shot! I kinda doubt it.


Well, if you doubt it then it probably didn't happen.

Obviously you are misunderstanding.  I was not positing that a bunch of people who had beautiful homes saw the Eden of the homeless shelter and decided to abandon their houses and move there

The point is that the homeless people who lived in the general area began congregating to that specific location.  Even if they were not sheltering there, their friends were in the area.  Homeless people are not much different than you and me in that we tend to hang out with people with similar life experiences.

There were many homes in that area that plummeted in value  What was once a nice area became known as a corridor between downtown and the shelter.  If you want to sell your house, it's tough to get top dollar when prospective buyers have to step over passed out drunk hobos to get to your front door

But if you say it didn't happen, then clearly I'm imagining things.
 
2013-05-18 03:10:55 AM
So this guy isn't aware that homeless people often sleep in cemeteries because they tend to be relatively clean, peaceful, and free from violence? Or is it just that he thinks they'll be afraid of the cops kicking them out if they're in what appears to be a cemetery?
 
2013-05-18 03:12:35 AM
The real fun is when he kills the homeless people and buries them there.  Since everyone thinks it's a fake cemetery, no one would look for them there.

/Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
 
2013-05-18 03:23:37 AM
Disdain for the poor and homeless merits a "Hero" tag? Too bad Marie Antoinette is dead.
 
2013-05-18 03:25:22 AM

skinink: So instead of homeless people being there, he'll attract poorly dressed Goths who write bad poetry in cemeteries.

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Wait...so if I build a fake cemetery, I'll be awash in goth chicks?  And nobody notices if they vanish, since they're so dark and mopey they probably threw themselves off the bridge...hmmmmm....
 
2013-05-18 04:00:31 AM
Liability.  His insurance company probably came up with this idea and forced it on him.  Note that he's too embarrassed to share his identity.
 
2013-05-18 04:03:15 AM
I'm not really sure how a fake cemetery discourages homeless from loitering there?

In some parts of the world entire communities and towns have sprang up in ancient graveyards, tombs and mausoleums.
 
2013-05-18 04:14:50 AM
Awesome dude. Spend money to keep people out of your vacant, empty ass lot. You're a true hero!
/hire them for after hours landscaping/security after hours and under the table. Then you'll be an American Hero tm.
 
2013-05-18 04:15:22 AM
I'd just sprinkle cayenne pepper across the yard. It works for cats.
 
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