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2013-05-17 04:32:41 PM
Interesting how things change. I work for a Federal entity that uses very large computer systems to handle very large amounts of data. I was in a meeting today on database issues and 8 of the 12 people in the room were Russians. That would have been unthinkable in the 50's and 60's.
 
2013-05-17 05:09:54 PM
No part of Florida is restricted.  Knowledge of Florida is harmless.
 
2013-05-17 06:05:41 PM
As I recall American tourists had quite a few restrictions placed on them when they traveled to Russia. In someways those restrictions are similar to those placed on tourists to North Korea nowadays.
 
2013-05-17 06:08:17 PM
Great map - I love how every square inch of Utah is available - visitors were probably encouraged to go there. What's up with St. Paul being off limits? Is there/was there some military base?
 
2013-05-17 06:35:18 PM

Makh: No part of Florida is restricted.  Knowledge of Florida is harmless.


came to say this (or something similar)
 
2013-05-17 06:37:50 PM
What a shame.  They come all the way to America and they are unable to see the natural beauty and culture of Youngstown.  Coulda ended the Cold War with one gaze upon its wonders.
 
2013-05-17 06:37:58 PM
What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.
 
2013-05-17 06:38:50 PM

Bathia_Mapes: As I recall American tourists had quite a few restrictions placed on them when they traveled to Russia. In someways those restrictions are similar to those placed on tourists to North Korea nowadays.


North Korea has tourists??
 
2013-05-17 06:39:13 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.


That's classified citizen.
 
2013-05-17 06:39:32 PM
We got to look for red license plates with CCCP on them and report it while living in an undisclosed country. It's like looking for pre 1965 quarters now. Never saw one.

www.licenseplates.tv
 
2013-05-17 06:40:07 PM
Keep the Ruskies out of Amarillo!!

Just imagine how damaging it might be if one of them had inadvertently witnessed a 200 mile by 200 mile flat section of flat, featureless dirt.
 
2013-05-17 06:42:58 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-17 06:43:28 PM
Why the small break in the southern border of Texas?
 
2013-05-17 06:44:38 PM
Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?
 
2013-05-17 06:45:56 PM

MrBallou: Interesting how things change. I work for a Federal entity that uses very large computer systems to handle very large amounts of data. I was in a meeting today on database issues and 8 of the 12 people in the room were Russians. That would have been unthinkable in the 50's and 60's.


CSB time:

I used to work with a guy who was an old Bell system lifer (like, he learned Unix from Kernigan & Ritchie back when the
only place it was installed was at Bell Labs in NJ).  He used to do a lot of system installations at military bases, and one
of his team members was a Russian citizen.  He had to get rather creative at times since that particular team member
was very good at his job but, naturally, couldn't be allowed into certain sites.

For one particular install, they were able to get him permission to be onsite but he was barred from entering certain
rooms.  One of which was, of course, the room where the servers would be located, but my friend figured out that while
the room itself was off-limits, the airspace between the drop ceiling and the actual ceiling wasn't technically part of the
room, so his expert spent several days in the rafters on the smallest terminal they could find in the early 1980s doing
the software installation and configuration.
 
2013-05-17 06:47:35 PM
WHERE ARE ALASKA AND HAWAII?

Oh. Right.
 
2013-05-17 06:48:17 PM

beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?


My first guess would be it would have something to do with early warning radar or nuclear weapons.
 
2013-05-17 06:50:42 PM
I would have liked to have seen Montana
 
2013-05-17 06:50:50 PM

MrBallou: Interesting how things change. I work for a Federal entity that uses very large computer systems to handle very large amounts of data. I was in a meeting today on database issues and 8 of the 12 people in the room were Russians. That would have been unthinkable in the 50's and 60's.


Last year, I had dinner in a Russian restaurant in East Berlin. It similarly dawned on me during dinner that doing such a thing would have been unthinkable back when I was a kid.
 
2013-05-17 06:52:33 PM

SevenizGud: Just imagine how damaging it might be if one of them had inadvertently witnessed a 200 mile by 200 mile flat section of flat, featureless dirt.


Amarillo and the rest of the Texas Panhandle was probably off-limits due to the Pantex plant.

What gets me is how most of eastern Illinois was off-limits. Back in that era, there were Nike antiaircraft missile bases ringing the Chicago area, but east central Illinois was (and is) mostly cornfields. I guess they wanted to keep the Reds away from UIUC or EIU.

In practice, the number of Soviet citizens actually allowed by Moscow to travel to the USA had to be vanishingly small and most likely just diplomats (and spies among them). There was no way the Kremlin would allow any random Ivan-in-the-street to just go off on a worldwide junket. Restrictions on citizens' travel were a cornerstone of Soviet policy, even within the USSR.
 
2013-05-17 06:53:08 PM
Kansas City, KS, ok. Kansas City, MO, not ok?
 
2013-05-17 06:54:43 PM
More like...
s23.postimg.org
 
2013-05-17 06:55:20 PM
Hey, Slate!  When you're posting a picture with lots of text and the text is central to your reason for posting the picture,  make it big enough to farking read!!!

Failing that, at least be kind enough to provide a direct link to a larger version which can be read.
 
2013-05-17 06:55:59 PM
www.nps.gov
Don't fark with the Dakotas.
 
2013-05-17 06:56:53 PM

hardinparamedic: beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?

My first guess would be it would have something to do with early warning radar or nuclear weapons.


My guess is for the reasons listed about why Youngstown was off limits and in addition most of Northern Ohio, Northern Indiana, Eastern Michigan, and Southern PA.  At the time that was the industrial center of the nation.  A quick googles shows Indiana still has the highest manufacturing to GDP ratio.  It's been that way for quite some time.
 
2013-05-17 06:57:30 PM

beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?


Sometimes, you just want to hide the crazy uncles when guests come over.
 
2013-05-17 06:57:44 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.


I would bet that was because of UpJohn pharmaceuticals
 
2013-05-17 07:01:10 PM

hardinparamedic: beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?

My first guess would be it would have something to do with early warning radar or nuclear weapons.


Corn? Food supply sabotage?
 
2013-05-17 07:03:47 PM

Fubegra: What gets me is how most of eastern Illinois was off-limits. Back in that era, there were Nike antiaircraft missile bases ringing the Chicago area, but east central Illinois was (and is) mostly cornfields. I guess they wanted to keep the Reds away from UIUC or EIU.


Back in the late Fifties, when I was in a Cub Scout troop in what was then rural north central Illinois, we took a field trip to one of those Nike missle sites.  I remember being in the underground bunker, looking up at the missles on their launchers and being impressed as all hell.
 
2013-05-17 07:04:56 PM
Where are the nuclear wessels ?
 
2013-05-17 07:05:01 PM
So they weren't allowed to go anywhere remotely interesting.
 
2013-05-17 07:07:21 PM

Tom_Slick: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.

I would bet that was because of UpJohn pharmaceuticals


Detroit had the Warren Tank Plant, among about a zillion other things.
 
2013-05-17 07:11:36 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Tom_Slick: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.

I would bet that was because of UpJohn pharmaceuticals

Detroit had the Warren Tank Plant, among about a zillion other things.


If you look close, the map says Dearborn is open, not Detroit.  Which is even more strange, because there's no way whatsoever to get to Dearborn without crossing the restricted area.
 
2013-05-17 07:11:47 PM

leonel: So they weren't allowed to go anywhere remotely interesting.


Well, that's one way to keep people out...
 
2013-05-17 07:13:07 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Tom_Slick: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.

I would bet that was because of UpJohn pharmaceuticals

Detroit had the Warren Tank Plant, among about a zillion other things.


That was in Warren MI, I'll bet their travel was restricted to Detroit city limits. So no Auburn Hills, No Warren, No Dearborn etc.
 
2013-05-17 07:13:26 PM

beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?


Remember the bits of the X-files that were set in corn fields? Well they have a lot of top secret things hidden in cornfields.  People who visit Indiana nowadays can buy a t-shirt that says "Indiana doesn't want me". I'm just making it up as I go along. But it would be a cool souvenir.
 
2013-05-17 07:16:08 PM

brantgoose: beb004: Why was most of Indiana restricted? Were the Amish thought to be a threat?

Remember the bits of the X-files that were set in corn fields? Well they have a lot of top secret things hidden in cornfields.  People who visit Indiana nowadays can buy a t-shirt that says "Indiana doesn't want me". I'm just making it up as I go along. But it would be a cool souvenir.


I have no idea if this was true in 1955 but today Southern Michigan and Northern Indiana produce a huge percentage of the nation's seed corn.  Want next year's harvest to fail wipe out that area this year.

/Just guessing I have no clue, I'm sure there were defense plants in South Bend, Fort Wayne etc.
 
2013-05-17 07:16:17 PM
DjangoStonereaver:
CSB time:

I used to work with a guy who was an old Bell system lifer (like, he learned Unix from Kernigan & Ritchie back when the
only place it was installed was at Bell Labs in NJ).


Just for accuracy's sake, one would learn C from K&R, not Unix.
/learned C from K&R in 1981
 
2013-05-17 07:22:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: What a shame.  They come all the way to America and they are unable to see the natural beauty and culture of Youngstown.  Coulda ended the Cold War with one gaze upon its wonders.


Speaking on behalf of rude, swearing Ohioans everywhere, fark off.

Seriously, Youngstown in the 1950s sounded kind of cool. The mills were running, everyone owned a home, there was a vibrant downtown.
It wasn't until the mills started closing that everything went to shiat.

/Born three weeks before Black Monday
 
2013-05-17 07:27:57 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell?  Detroit was open, but not Kalamazoo?!  I'd like to see a follow-up document explaining the reasoning behind the map choices.


The area around Saginaw was closed off too...I'm guessing that's for their own protection.

/lived there 7 years
//so glad to be out
 
2013-05-17 07:30:00 PM

ISO15693: DjangoStonereaver:
CSB time:

I used to work with a guy who was an old Bell system lifer (like, he learned Unix from Kernigan & Ritchie back when the
only place it was installed was at Bell Labs in NJ).

Just for accuracy's sake, one would learn C from K&R, not Unix.
/learned C from K&R in 1981


It must have been that, then, though he was more of a systems admin than a programmer for most of his career.

And it was much earlier than '81, though I don't rightly recall the year.
 
2013-05-17 07:31:26 PM
I saw this on Boing-Boing.  Back in 1955 they didn't have effective ICBMs, that's why they tried crazy bomber projects like flying atomic bombs 24 hours a day (until some of them started to crash and atomic bombs being scattered all over the place) or building nuclear powered airplanes (with radioactive contrails).  It wasn't missiles so much as it was nuclear production facilities.  Places like...

Pantex, Texas
farm2.staticflickr.com

Rocky Flats, Colorado
farm3.staticflickr.com

Savannah River, South Carolina
farm9.staticflickr.com

Hanford, Washington
farm9.staticflickr.com

Los Alamos, New Mexico
farm5.staticflickr.com

The list goes on and on.  Yes, at one point every one of those areas shown on the map had a site that had something to do with designing or building atomic bombs or nuclear reactors.
 
2013-05-17 07:34:44 PM
I can see Aroostook County being off limits because Loring AFB was where they kept a lot of the the nuclear bombers, including some of those B-52s that are so cool even today. They were also on the front lines of defence, with Canada being the place where they hoped to shoot down the Russkies bombers and missiles before they crossed the border.

But why the coast of Maine and the whole New Brunswick border? Maybe, just maybe it's because they flew a lot of training and practice flights into New Brunswick or out of Gagetown, a military base in New Brunswick where they practiced using Agent Orange among other things. But why the coast of Maine?

When I was young I saw some of the military plans over the woods. I also saw the World War II vintage airplanes that they used to bomb another kind of pest--the spruce budworm, Provencial Bird of New Brunswick (and State Bird of a number of States). I wonder what ever happened to them? They just ate themselves out of a job I guess. The Agent Orange couldn't kill them, although it probably killed a lot of New Brunswickers down wind. My father and his buddy accidentally sprayed their trees with a defoliant instead of pesticides. You have to laugh. I did at any rate. Smart asses. It didn't hurt the trees. They leafed out the following season as if nothing had happened.

My guess is that Maine is full of the kind of little foggy deep-water cove where you could put in with a boat or a submarine without the USA knowing about it. Or possibly build a submarine base without anybody but locals knowing about it. Maybe it's just because it's there. Coastal Maine is full of the kind of places where the Mystery Van would show up and prove that the ghosts or monsters are actually the janitor. Curse you meddling kids and your smart ass Great Dane!

And maybe, just maybe, Dark Shadows is based on a true story.

I have a lot of family in Maine. Many of them fought in the American Revolution or the Civil War. On both sides. Maybe the Government is ashamed of all the stuff that Maine-born author Stephen King put in his books.

There's something not quite right about Maine. Just ask H.P. Lovecraft about what people get up to in the boondocks of the US and Canada.

Maine is where Canada and the United States keep our dimwitted WASP cousins. Let's hear it for the Pine Tree State. Or maybe that's some other State. New Brunswick's real Provincial Bird is also the State Bird of New Jersey, which has its own tiny New Brunswick like the bookstore-coffee shop-porn shop emboitement in the Clerks cartoon.
 
2013-05-17 07:41:02 PM
If the Russians had fired off their missiles, the potato fields of Aroostook and northern New Brunswick would be among the first places to know about it. My family is mostly a short ways down wind from Loring AFB and they would be among the first to go, although Ottawa might be hit about the same time. You can tell what the exact local weather is going to be an hour in advance by listening to a Maine radio station a short drive to the South West of where my parents live. Handy if you are planning to go for a walk that lasts more than an hour or are thinking of lighting the barbeque.

As the Tom Lehrer song says, "We'll all go together when we go". If you are too young to know Tom Lehrer, somebody will introduce you when you go to college or become a bipster (blue-collar hipster).
 
2013-05-17 07:42:11 PM
Tom Lehrer is permanently hip. So are the B-52s. Strange how that works out.
 
2013-05-17 07:42:12 PM
For good reasons. Communism was indeed a threat, and the USSR a utterly evil regime.
 
2013-05-17 07:44:47 PM

brantgoose: But why the coast of Maine?


A few things, Bath Iron Works operated ship yards in Bath and Portland and built destroyers, Naval Air Station Brunswick had ASW planes, Portsmouth Naval Base, and major military port operation in East Port (for supplying Loring)
 
2013-05-17 07:44:47 PM

BKITU: MrBallou: Interesting how things change. I work for a Federal entity that uses very large computer systems to handle very large amounts of data. I was in a meeting today on database issues and 8 of the 12 people in the room were Russians. That would have been unthinkable in the 50's and 60's.

Last year, I had dinner in a Russian restaurant in East Berlin. It similarly dawned on me during dinner that doing such a thing would have been unthinkable back when I was a kid.


My Aunt and her friend went traveling around Russia in the 50s.
 
2013-05-17 07:46:31 PM
thequillnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-17 07:52:19 PM
All of New Jersey is off limits.......I guess they didn't want the Guidos being filmed for propaganda purposes.
 
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