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(The Sun)   Man who has tattoos scrawled all over his face can't understand why it's so hard to find a job. The Sun is there...on the back of his head   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 254
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2013-05-17 06:08:38 PM

austerity101: So is there an actual rational argument against hiring someone with visible tattoos?  I'm seriously asking here.  It just seems like we as a society have decided, despite how ubiquitous tattoos are, that having tattoos is bad and makes you a bad (or at least ethically suspect) person, and few people seem to be questioning that very dubious assertion.  Why do we perpetuate this?


I don't think we as a society have decided that having tattoos makes you ethically suspect, any more than a clothing store for young, hip urban professionals declines to hire a 62-year-old man wearing polyester slacks, a plaid jacket and a bow tie for a sales job because the store considers him ethically suspect.
 
2013-05-17 06:08:42 PM
Getting a tattoo at age 18: I want people to look at my COOL TATS!
Ten years later: I wish these hiring people would look at my resume instead of staring at my tattoos.

/Supplement: Fifteen years (and a few pound) later: "I'm pregnant and now those three dolphins circling my belly button look like misshapen orcas." Or "Great. My old tribal tattoo now looks like I belly-flopped onto a hot stove."
 
2013-05-17 06:09:52 PM

austerity101: Yanks_RSJ: austerity101: So is there an actual rational argument against hiring someone with visible tattoos?  I'm seriously asking here.  It just seems like we as a society have decided, despite how ubiquitous tattoos are, that having tattoos is bad and makes you a bad (or at least ethically suspect) person, and few people seem to be questioning that very dubious assertion.  Why do we perpetuate this?

Having tattoos doesn't make you a bad person, but when you choose to tattoo your face, you do so knowing the way society feels about that.

Like it or not, you are a representative of your employer, and if society at large doesn't "approve" of your choice, that's reason enough not to hire you.  It's business, not a character assessment.

Society doesn't approve of many other things, and we pass laws from letting them discriminate against those things.  So the only reason we allow this is because it's legal?  That doesn't seem rational--it seems sad.


An employer can discriminate on how you dress. Tattoos are a permanent form of "clothing".
 
2013-05-17 06:10:08 PM

you have pee hands: That's a rough 40.


Hellz Yeah!!!  No way he's 40.
 
2013-05-17 06:10:15 PM
My wife mentioned getting a tattoo the other day. I told her I'd do her one better and burn a $100 bill right then and there.

/wouldn't really do it
//because I'm not stupid
 
2013-05-17 06:10:54 PM

scottydoesntknow: Maybe she should've looked at this handy chart before choosing that location:

 [lovelivegrow.com image 610x629]


I work for a Berkshire-Hathaway company.  Many office employees have full sleeves.
 
2013-05-17 06:12:18 PM

austerity101: So is there an actual rational argument against hiring someone with visible tattoos?  I'm seriously asking here.  It just seems like we as a society have decided, despite how ubiquitous tattoos are, that having tattoos is bad and makes you a bad (or at least ethically suspect) person, and few people seem to be questioning that very dubious assertion.  Why do we perpetuate this?


I don't know.  I, obviously, have no problem with tattoos. Yet I look at this guy and think "well, that was stupid."  In this case, it might be the prison ink look of it all, combined with the beard, combined with the crazy eyes... it's all a sort of big picture thing in this case.

I would hire someone with, or without, visible tattoos if they were the person for the job.  But people are weird. They interviewed an intern yesterday at work and came in saying how much this girl reminded them of me.  It came down to her having a nose ring and "being creative" - whatever that means.  

But I do believe in time, visible tattoos will not matter because they really ARE so common. I'm not sure what people are holding on to in terms of "acceptable" looks and fashion. Times and people have changed and are changing.  I've always hated the idea of business attire, honestly. It's like an ugly, uncomfortable uniform for adults.  Women's business attire is even worse. Never have I been more uncomfortable than trying to fake it in a woman suit.  Even my mom (who was, at the time, trying to "normal me up" was laughing at how weird and wrong it looked.)
 
2013-05-17 06:13:27 PM
Quit laughing at my Night Ranger Tattoo! :(
 
2013-05-17 06:14:20 PM

Begoggle: Hot chick with tattoos is not the same thing as a chick who looks hotter because of tattoos.
Nobody has ever gotten better looking from a tattoo.


No, but they can tand out more in your memory.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-17 06:14:24 PM

DirkValentine: scottydoesntknow: Maybe she should've looked at this handy chart before choosing that location:

 [lovelivegrow.com image 610x629]

I work for a Berkshire-Hathaway company.  Many office employees have full sleeves.


Nowadays, full-sleeve tats seem to be more common and less likely to keep someone from getting hired.

Face and hand tattoos however, usually mean your resume is going straight into the trash can.
 
2013-05-17 06:15:27 PM
i have a tattoo of a 12" penis on my penis.
 
2013-05-17 06:17:35 PM

garumph: An employer can discriminate on how you dress. Tattoos are a permanent form of "clothing".


To what extent should they be able to?  Are there any limits we should set?
 
2013-05-17 06:18:06 PM

guestguy: inner ted: your precious poster is a stereotype.

i simply offered examples that were counter to the point being made & several folks seem to have had their worlds imploded.

as to whether or not statistically it is a rare exception for a tattooed person to be upstanding - don't know, i haven't researched it that far.

but i'd dare say that i've researched it a hell of a lot more than any of you that are acting so ass hurty now.

sheesh you guys are awful sensitive about your poster

/or maybe you just don't like being shown how wrong you are

*shrugs*

The poster is meant to be a little humorous as well....they could have said "difficult to appear professional, and hence difficult to acquire a job where workplace professionalism is a must", but that's not as funny ya see?  I'm sorry if you have tattoos in an area that was being mocked by the poster and were offended...but holding up celebrities and athletes as proof of acceptable appearance/behavior is potato:

[www.totalprosports.com image 610x406]


yes, it could have said many things

however what it DOES say & what everyone here jerking each other off about is what i'm referencing.

i get that the poster is half a joke, but most here are taking it as gospel and i wished to give examples of how that isn't entirely accurate.

then lots of people lost their shiat

as for not  holding athletes up for scrutiny for  acceptable behavior --- don't agree at all with that.  we most certainly do hold them to a standard - even so far as to call them role models - which i'm just fine with.  if a kid looks up to a ball player with tats, i certainly have no issue.

i'm more concerned with the individual - less with how they look.

but i'm obviously in the minority on that here.
 
2013-05-17 06:23:21 PM

tjsands1118: because people like this are shallow and they judge simple by looks


My favorite is when it happens in an office setting. Office workers are the fattest, most misshapen, poorly dressed, bad-haircut-having people you can find. Yet they discriminate on looks!

Being picky about the way people look is going to come back to haunt you when you're old. If you refrain from doing it now, you'll have less to feel hypocritical about as you age. 50-70 is a long time.
 
2013-05-17 06:26:52 PM
Too bad he wasn't a waiter complaining about tips. Then we really could have had a great thread.
 
2013-05-17 06:27:46 PM

inner ted: busy chillin': inner ted: EvilEgg: scottydoesntknow: Maybe she should've looked at this handy chart before choosing that location:

 [lovelivegrow.com image 610x629]

Call in the dogs and put out the fire.  We're done here.

are we really?

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 243x208]
disagrees

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x197]
bet he disagrees as well

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 445x550]
ya, he probably skates on his taxes too

/stupid stereotypes are stupid

Nice. I'm totally gonna apply for a professional athlete job!

o my bad
i didn't see the asterisk on the funny chart that says "athletes excluded"

if you are as bad at sports as you are at the internetz, then i see why you are so bitter.

i'm sure you are good at something though.  keep trying!


First, I don't see any stupid tats on their foreheads. And there aren't very many of them that can live a lifetime on the athletic feats of their youth (less than 1000 in the US), it'd be like talking up the CEO who dropped out of highschool but somehow managed to make a few million anyway as an example to us all.

If they weren't professional athletes they probably wouldn't have gotten those tattoos, or they'd be working in a bar, tattoo shop, or after hours jizz cleaner at the adult bookstore. EVEN at a bar face tattoos would disqualify them from the best places, you'll be at some punk rock dive where you're still hand to mouthing for the rest of your days.

If you can't cover it, it's a bad idea. Why? Because who wants to hire people with poor decision making skills? Duh.
 
2013-05-17 06:31:52 PM

LDM90: My wife mentioned getting a tattoo the other day. I told her I'd do her one better and burn a $100 bill right then and there.

/wouldn't really do it
//because I'm not stupid


Well if you think you are going to get a tattoo of any quality for $100 you should just burn the money. If you are getting good work done you aren't even sitting in a chair for $100.
 
2013-05-17 06:32:06 PM
I still think its a plan.

Legally change your middle name to Singh.

Establish some cred with a local temple.

then POOF

static.guim.co.uk

New job, faster than you can say 'Diversity Hire'
 
2013-05-17 06:33:20 PM
He's just looking at the wrong kinds of businesses.
i1243.photobucket.com

On a serious note, he might try looking for work in a different part of a city. In more alternative neighborhoods a business will be more likely to have a relaxed dress code and facial tats, body modification, and loud hairstyles might be not be a big deal.
 
2013-05-17 06:34:16 PM
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Raw_fishFood: Too bad he wasn't a waiter complaining about tips. Then we really could have had a great thread.


Heh.
 
2013-05-17 06:34:22 PM

colon_pow: i have a tattoo of a 12" penis on my penis.


1/10 scale
 
2013-05-17 06:35:26 PM

colon_pow: i have a tattoo of a 12" penis on my penis.


Erect or flaccid?
 
2013-05-17 06:35:32 PM

Jument: scottydoesntknow: Zarquon's Flat Tire: My mom once hired a guy for a mechanic position.  He wore a hat during the interview.  First day of work he showed up with 'fark You' tattooed on his forehead.

She had to fire him, AT&T policy.  She said he seemed like a nice guy though.

Two questions:

1) Why would she not ask him to remove his hat? I've never known a single interviewer who would take someone wearing a hat during an interview seriously.

2) Why would he take his hat off? He obviously knew it was offensive (which is why he wore the hat during the interview), so why think that day 1 on the job is a good place to start showing it off?


Re #1: I don't think you can do that. Physically inspecting someone in an interview is a huge no-no. Perhaps they are bald or have a scar or birthmark or something and they're just self-conscious about it. For all you know asking them to take their hat off might be a huge dick move.

Re #2: I assumed he figured once he got hired he was golden. If he's dumb enough to have fark you on his face... you know.


Anyone else remember the days when boys and men were expected to take off their hats indoors? I don't consider myself that old and I remember learning that in elementary school.
 
2013-05-17 06:36:08 PM

Dinjiin: FarkinHostile: I can wear long shorts and a t shirt and you would never know.

Same here.  I got my tattoo in a location that a t-shirt could cover for two reasons: to continue being employable and to keep the sun off of it so it doesn't fade.

Non-gang face tattoos scream non-conformist.  That's fine if you're an artist, not so much if you're trying to get a job with a corporation.


/he needs to lose the beard, too
//dude looks like he's a member of a religious cult


you gotta love "corporate sponsored rebellion"

/not
//zero tattoos, zero piercings, zero jewelry.
 
2013-05-17 06:37:42 PM

offmymeds: If he really wants a job as bad as he says he does, he'd lose the beard, let his hair grow out and somehow cover up that "Buddhist" tat on his forehead. That and put on some pounds.


so... fatties get hired? 

what a dumb comment.
 
2013-05-17 06:38:16 PM

DeerNuts: Jument: scottydoesntknow: Zarquon's Flat Tire: My mom once hired a guy for a mechanic position.  He wore a hat during the interview.  First day of work he showed up with 'fark You' tattooed on his forehead.

She had to fire him, AT&T policy.  She said he seemed like a nice guy though.

Two questions:

1) Why would she not ask him to remove his hat? I've never known a single interviewer who would take someone wearing a hat during an interview seriously.

2) Why would he take his hat off? He obviously knew it was offensive (which is why he wore the hat during the interview), so why think that day 1 on the job is a good place to start showing it off?


Re #1: I don't think you can do that. Physically inspecting someone in an interview is a huge no-no. Perhaps they are bald or have a scar or birthmark or something and they're just self-conscious about it. For all you know asking them to take their hat off might be a huge dick move.

Re #2: I assumed he figured once he got hired he was golden. If he's dumb enough to have fark you on his face... you know.

Anyone else remember the days when boys and men were expected to take off their hats indoors? I don't consider myself that old and I remember learning that in elementary school.


This.  I wouldn't have hired him for that alone.
 
2013-05-17 06:41:14 PM
Oh, excellent. I was hoping I could get some advice on a tattoo idea. So the middle would be a redneck missing a tooth drinking a Bud light in a monstertruck jumping over flames. Behind that would be a waving American flag. Behind that would be a bald eagle with a knife in its beak. Under all this would be a naked colonial woman and a naked Indian woman posing suggestively with waving fields of corn, wheat and soy in the background. Between the woman would be a crossed musket and M16. For accent pieces there would be baseballs, apple pie, etc. The location would be the tramp stamp area. The point of the tattoo would be to go into explicit detail describing its features so someone would call me out, then I would be able to shock the hell out of them. The added bonus would it would only get more inappropriate with age.
 
2013-05-17 06:44:46 PM
Forehead tat solved...
imageshack.us
Thank yew. Thank yew. You are too kind.
 
2013-05-17 06:57:23 PM
A better haircut would help.
 
2013-05-17 06:58:33 PM

the_end_is_rear: "I like to have the option to change my mind on things". I have an earring, but I cannot always take that out. Same goes for my wife.


Does your wife know you reserve the option to change your mind on her?

(I'm just poking fun, don't get mad bro).
 
2013-05-17 06:59:51 PM
inner ted:  i'm more concerned with the individual - less with how they look.

You have a face tat don't you?

How you choose to look defines you as an individual. Do you have the skills to conform to social mores when necessary? That's a HUGE, if not why would anyone want you? It's the same as walking into the interview wearing a ripped up Slayer t-shirt. If you are unable to tell that the situation demands professionalism then you're going to be a crap employee. When you choose to tattoo yourself in your face you're telling people "I don't feel the need to conform." Which is fine, but it's your problem, not a problem for anyone else.

The next article the guy will complain that not even the chav chicks will fark him, even with his stunning amish chic look, and you'll be giving him a shoulder to cry on telling him how unfair it is.
 
2013-05-17 07:00:22 PM
What's the point of getting a tattoo?
To any answer you might give, I think that's the problem right there.
 
2013-05-17 07:07:41 PM
serpent_sky:
If you're doing anything to be rebellious and you're 18, and thus, a legal adult, you have failed at life.

Nah, I was just making a comparison that most people could relate to: high school.
I don't care for tattoos, but I don't care if other people get them either.
 
2013-05-17 07:10:36 PM
I like to think of myself as a non-conformist, and strongly disagree with people judging others by what they wear, or what they look like. However, tats have become so common as to amount to conformity. For example, it is refreshing to see a young woman WITHOUT a tramp stamp across her tailbone.

//especially when disrobing for the first time together.
 
2013-05-17 07:12:17 PM

InternetSecurityGuard: I saw a billboard for these folks on the way home:

http://www.drtattoff.com/

Perhaps they could help.


Tebow?
cdn3.drtattoff.com
 
2013-05-17 07:20:00 PM
i44.tinypic.comi43.tinypic.com

/The guy just needs SOMETHING on his face besides that tattoo.
//Come to America, pal, we can always use someone who resembles Lincoln.
 
2013-05-17 07:24:02 PM

caddisfly: InternetSecurityGuard: I saw a billboard for these folks on the way home:

http://www.drtattoff.com/

Perhaps they could help.

Tebow?
[cdn3.drtattoff.com image 484x161]


No he had Jets logo cover up the Bronco, now it just says fark You Manning.
 
2013-05-17 07:29:41 PM

austerity101: garumph: An employer can discriminate on how you dress. Tattoos are a permanent form of "clothing".

To what extent should they be able to?  Are there any limits we should set?


If hiring someone puts your other employees' paychecks at risk, then I'd think your duty should be to your employees.

This guy is applying to jobs where there are likely several other qualified applicants who don't have face-tattoos or neckbeards. Unless he has markedly better qualifications, he's not a victim.

He wanted to be exceptional. And now he is.
 
2013-05-17 07:33:36 PM
Lets say you had two applicants, and needed to hire someone right away desperately.

Would you hire TFA guy or this guy?

abcnews.go.com
 
2013-05-17 07:40:19 PM

Bwahaha: I like to think of myself as a non-conformist, and strongly disagree with people judging others by what they wear, or what they look like. However, tats have become so common as to amount to conformity. For example, it is refreshing to see a young woman WITHOUT a tramp stamp across her tailbone.

//especially when disrobing for the first time together.


I don't see it as conformity or non-comformity, just a personal choice.  Not unlike most things we do/don't do to/for ourselves.   But maybe that's just me.  I got my first tattoo (the dreaded "tramp stamp" - though it is small) the night before I had surgery that I didn't want to have and was nervous about.  I have no idea ho wthe two things came together in my head, but they did.  Most of mine have reasons behind them (including one that covers some scarring on my arm) and they're all sentiments/art that are important to me.  Not that I feel the need to explain or justify my choices for my own body, in a general sense. It's pertinent to the conversation here.

I know people who have tattoos for various reasons, and who have them because they liked something on the wall and felt like getting it. Whatever, it's their bodies.  I have a feeling that someday, tattoos won't even be permanent, or they will be much easier to remove.  Though I can't imagine doing that to any of mine, because they simply are a part of me at this point, I think it's a weird thing to care about, either way, whether or not people have them.

The odd thing is,a lot of the sentiment here is "they're so common, they aren't even rebellious or non-conformist anymore" (not that I think most people have gotten tattoos to be non-conformist, at least not for quite some time) but it's also "oooh! bad decision making!"  The two are completely opposed as thoughts regarding something that is really inconsequential (someone's skin has some color in it) when you get down to it.
 
2013-05-17 07:51:43 PM

inner ted: tjsands1118: inner ted: EvilEgg: scottydoesntknow: Maybe she should've looked at this handy chart before choosing that location:

 [lovelivegrow.com image 610x629]

Call in the dogs and put out the fire.  We're done here.

are we really?

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 243x208]
disagrees

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x197]
bet he disagrees as well

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 445x550]
ya, he probably skates on his taxes too

/stupid stereotypes are stupid

Yes, because everyone can become a celebrate/athlete, so we should all do the stupid shiat they do. In no way could a few people be exceptions to social norms, and Dennis Rodman could get a job at any bank, legal practice, or investment firm.
/Stupid example is stupid,

awesome

this is why i love fark

if you don't supply references or links to your arguments: you are a troll

if you do supply references or links to your arguments: well ya, except for that. but it doesn't count cause i didn't really consider it before i posted my stupid opinion.

precious bunch aren't you?

/freaking lulz


You sound angry.
Need a hug?
 
2013-05-17 07:55:50 PM
I used to work with this woman in Denver. She was the kindest, sweetest, most unselfish person I have ever met.

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-17 07:59:54 PM
"Four score and seven tattoos ago..."
 
2013-05-17 08:05:25 PM

inner ted: tjsands1118: inner ted: EvilEgg: scottydoesntknow: Maybe she should've looked at this handy chart before choosing that location:



So where is your tat?
 
2013-05-17 08:06:00 PM

inner ted: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 243x208]
disagrees

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x197]
bet he disagrees as well

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 445x550]
ya, he probably skates on his taxes too

/stupid stereotypes are stupid


Which on of those three has a face tattoo? Oh right.
 
2013-05-17 08:16:01 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

/Doesn't really count but still amuses me.
 
2013-05-17 08:21:09 PM

Lady Indica: He looks like an alien from Star Trek.


Which episode?

/ I really don't understand the Homo Sapiens species
 
2013-05-17 08:23:52 PM
I've been in a position where I have sat on interview panels at various companies for, oh, about fifteen years now.

Having visible tattoos makes me think twice about hiring you - not because I have anything against tattoos, per se, but because of what it tells me about your judgement. Having visible tattoos means that you are willing to more-or-less permanently modify your body in a way that everyone can see for what may or may not be a temporary situation. It tells me that you probably don't think too far ahead about the consequences of your actions.

This can be somewhat or even completely mitigated if the tattoo is actually unique and expressive. That indicates that you put some serious thought into it and it does actually signify something about you. Good examples would be tattoos of, say your military unit or a tribute to a deceased relative.

But if your tattoo is generic, and especially if it's some random writing in a language you don't actually read or some random animal that every single person of your gender has tattooed on their body, I'm going to assume that you just (a) succumb easily to peer pressure, (b) are desperate to seem edgy or hip, and/or (c) don't think too far into the future about the consequences of your actions.

In other words, I'm perfectly happy to have someone break the rules of convention, but only if they actually have something to say.
 
2013-05-17 08:23:55 PM

vudukungfu: Yeah-um, Mr.  Hameed? Look. We're an equal opportunity employer here but you gotta remember, Charles Manson is still alive, and you appear to have some sort of homage to helter skelter thing going on there and quite frankly, the ladies that come into the clinic for prenatal care, well, they might not sleep too well at night, once they subconsciously put one and one together. . .
Good luck, though.


Yeah, I was going to say this guys look screams "Manson!"

Don't get tattoos on your face/neck  unless you want your job options severely limited.

Or get some hair and wear makeup over the forehead tattoo...that might solve your problems...
 
2013-05-17 08:28:34 PM
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