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2013-05-17 12:03:10 PM  
I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.
 
2013-05-17 12:06:43 PM  
Those are freaking great. He's really enjoying himself.
 
2013-05-17 12:16:56 PM  

mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.


What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.
 
2013-05-17 12:21:37 PM  
George Takei uses a magic marker to take on protestors who support homophobic bigotry. George comes off as persuasive and likable, while making the protestors look silly. I'd like to learn how he does this. I think we should should all ask George to start a YouTube channel called Takei Like Me.
 
2013-05-17 12:22:18 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.


Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?
 
2013-05-17 12:22:34 PM  
In the words of Mrs. Patrick Campbell [Beatrice Stella Tanner Campbell] 1865-1940

"My dear, I don't care what they do, so long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."

As for me, go on and scare the horses. Takei is awesome.

/ My next door neighbor is gay
// It doesn't scare me
/// Diversity has it's (awesome) merits
 
2013-05-17 12:25:00 PM  

Monkey2: In the words of Mrs. Patrick Campbell [Beatrice Stella Tanner Campbell] 1865-1940

"My dear, I don't care what they do, so long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."

As for me, go on and scare the horses. Takei is awesome.

/ My next door neighbor is gay
// It doesn't scare me
/// Diversity has

Monkey2: In the words of Mrs. Patrick Campbell [Beatrice Stella Tanner Campbell] 1865-1940

"My dear, I don't care what they do, so long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."

As for me, go on and scare the horses. Takei is awesome.

/ My next door neighbor is gay
// It doesn't scare me
/// Diversity has it's (awesome) merits


You mean diversity has it's (awesome) merits as long as we all think alike.
 
2013-05-17 12:32:24 PM  

mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?


Just turning the tides a bit.  What if a gay person didn't want to be forced to accept your heterosexuality or be demonized for not doing so.

Your first statement contradicts your second, by the way.  You don't care who loves who but you don't want to be forced to not care who loves who?
 
2013-05-17 12:36:12 PM  
mistrmind:

You mean diversity has it's (awesome) merits as long as we all think alike.

I'm not really sure I get what you mean by that, so therefore I am unsure how to respond. Would you care to clarify or elaborate? I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, I just don't understand what you're getting at.
 
2013-05-17 12:36:25 PM  

mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?


Wow.  Okay, I'll assume you're just unable to reason rather than that oblivious.

Imagine, if you will, that every ad, every billboard, every romantic comedy n TV, every... everything were about gay people.  And then, after hundreds of years, someone started showing straight people as being normal.  Just a few, here and there.  And the gay people said things like, "Those damn heteros - they're evil and against God's law."  And then the idea that straight people were not evil and not sick and were normal, too started to be accepted.  And then another gay person said, "I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you."

In other words, if a gay person said it, it would mean, "Being gay is normal, being straight is unacceptable, and straight people shouldn't force me to treat them as normal humans."

Try to extrapolate how that would feel to you, as a straight person.  If you can.  I'm doubtful.
 
2013-05-17 12:36:34 PM  

mistrmind: but I do care when you try to force my acceptance


Not sure the big push is to force your acceptance but just to obtain legal rights and freedom from persecution.
 
2013-05-17 12:37:37 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?

Just turning the tides a bit.  What if a gay person didn't want to be forced to accept your heterosexuality or be demonized for not doing so.

Your first statement contradicts your second, by the way.  You don't care who loves who but you don't want to be forced to not care who loves who?


Nobody is forcing anyone to accept my heterosexuality, nor am I ramming it down anyone's throat.   On top of that, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone and saying they are evil for not believing or doing as I do.

As for contradiction.  I don't care who someone loves, but on the other hand I shouldn't be forced to accept who someone loves as X, where X is their marriage, or union or whatever you want to call it.   Just because you have a certain group of people who say this is the definition of marriage, that doesn't mean I have to accept or go along with that change in definition, and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
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2013-05-17 12:38:12 PM  
And George Takei is indeed a National Treasure, and Shatner can go f*ck himself for giving him shiat.
 
2013-05-17 12:40:07 PM  

verbal_jizm: mistrmind: but I do care when you try to force my acceptance

Not sure the big push is to force your acceptance but just to obtain legal rights and freedom from persecution.


But, but, but, I thought the whole point was to force everyone to have to gay marry.
 
2013-05-17 12:42:30 PM  

mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?

Just turning the tides a bit.  What if a gay person didn't want to be forced to accept your heterosexuality or be demonized for not doing so.

Your first statement contradicts your second, by the way.  You don't care who loves who but you don't want to be forced to not care who loves who?

Nobody is forcing anyone to accept my heterosexuality, nor am I ramming it down anyone's throat.   On top of that, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone and saying they are evil for not believing or doing as I do.

As for contradiction.  I don't care who someone loves, but on the other hand I shouldn't be forced to accept who someone loves as X, where X is their marriage, or union or whatever you want to call it.   Just because you have a certain group of people who say this is the definition of marriage, that doesn't mean I have to accept or go along with that change in definition, and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,

Most people don't care what you think or believe as long as the law treats everyone equally. But that is where the rub is. the law currently does not (in many areas at least). As soon as gay marriage is legal everywhere then the issue will fade away and you can keep on thinking whatever you want about it.
 
2013-05-17 12:43:54 PM  

mistrmind: and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.


But gays should just shut about about being demonized, right?

In any case, I don't see how people fighting for legal rights and freedom from persecution is intolerance.
 
2013-05-17 12:46:19 PM  

mistrmind: What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
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Well.  Someone's been to the Party Rally.

Poor, poor, persecuted mistrmind.  How dare people expect to be treated equally when they are so clearly not equal by your way of thinking.  How dare anyone tell you that treating people differently because they're gay (or Black or Jewish or whatever else is in your little cornucopia of "unacceptable") is socially unacceptable in and of itself.

How dare we not accept bigotry!  After all - it's mistrmind - how could we be so blind?  Tell me - what other social advancements are we required to change for you?  Just so we know.  We wouldn't want to, say, ask that you refrain from racist remarks if you honestly think people of other cultures and colors are unequal as well.
 
2013-05-17 12:48:25 PM  

verbal_jizm: mistrmind: and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

But gays should just shut about about being demonized, right?


No, but demonizing anyone who doesn't accept you the correct course of action?   Now they've become the very people they're railing against.

I think Nietzche said it best:  Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
 
2013-05-17 12:51:07 PM  

mistrmind: verbal_jizm: mistrmind: and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

But gays should just shut about about being demonized, right?

No, but demonizing anyone who doesn't accept you the correct course of action?   Now they've become the very people they're railing against.

I think Nietzche said it best:  Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.


So people fighting for their rights are monsters now? Face it, man. You're on the losing side of this argument. People fighting for their rights are not the intolerant ones. Once they have rights and start infringing on yours, then you can cry about intolerance.
 
2013-05-17 12:51:37 PM  
mistrmind:

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
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There is nothing contradictory about refusing to accept intolerance.  I recommend reading The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper.  He explains this point better than any other philosopher, IMO.
 
2013-05-17 12:53:10 PM  

FloydA: mistrmind:

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,

There is nothing contradictory about refusing to accept intolerance.  I recommend reading The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper.  He explains this point better than any other philosopher, IMO.


People preaching tolerance are anything but tolerant.  A contradiction in itself.
 
2013-05-17 12:53:21 PM  

FloydA: mistrmind:

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,

There is nothing contradictory about refusing to accept intolerance.  I recommend reading The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper.  He explains this point better than any other philosopher, IMO.


Now you're being intolerant suggesting readings that contradict his argument. You monster!
 
2013-05-17 12:54:47 PM  
I think someone's trollin'.
 
2013-05-17 12:55:02 PM  

mistrmind: FloydA: mistrmind:

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,

There is nothing contradictory about refusing to accept intolerance.  I recommend reading The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper.  He explains this point better than any other philosopher, IMO.

People preaching tolerance are anything but tolerant.  A contradiction in itself.


Okay, now you're just trolling.
 
2013-05-17 12:59:11 PM  
i think verbal and mistr should kiss and make up
 
2013-05-17 01:01:14 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.


The man has basically motherfarking won the whole goddamn Internet at this point. He's tetroactively become the single coolest cast member of ST:TOS and everybody's inexplicably hip great-aunt...it's the coolest thing I've ever seen
 
2013-05-17 01:04:00 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?

Just turning the tides a bit.  What if a gay person didn't want to be forced to accept your heterosexuality or be demonized for not doing so.

Your first statement contradicts your second, by the way.  You don't care who loves who but you don't want to be forced to not care who loves who?


Since I'm not really worried that this hypothetical heterophobe will ever be able to cobble together a majority fo like-minded people and force taht view on others legally or through societal pressure, I'm not really worried about him
 
2013-05-17 01:06:33 PM  

Notabunny: George Takei uses a magic marker to take on protestors who support homophobic bigotry. George comes off as persuasive and likable, while making the protestors look silly. I'd like to learn how he does this.


Dry oatmeal and lengthy black teenagers.
 
2013-05-17 01:07:32 PM  
George Takei is not just cool, he's 20% cooler.
 
2013-05-17 01:09:02 PM  

farkenarsehole: i think verbal and mistr should kiss and make up


That sounds gay.
 
2013-05-17 01:20:46 PM  

mistrmind: ramming it down anyone's throat


Well, that didn't take long.
 
2013-05-17 01:25:43 PM  
I want to gay marry Takei, and I'm straight. And he's already married.


Just, you know, to get invited to the same parties. You know they have to be awesome.
 
2013-05-17 01:29:12 PM  
Did anyone else read those responses in Takei's voice? That made them even cooler.
 
2013-05-17 01:29:23 PM  
leviticus 19:19
You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.



//ftw
 
2013-05-17 01:38:27 PM  

mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.


The only people being "forced" are the gay people that can't legally get married.
 
2013-05-17 01:39:56 PM  
While funny, those signs the "christians" made make me weep for the future.

Not because of their ass-backward views, but because the spelling and grammar are atrocious!
 
2013-05-17 01:41:48 PM  
Ohh and mistrmind really hooked a lot of y'all.

I gotta give him a 9/10, well done.
 
2013-05-17 01:42:05 PM  

mistrmind: You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.


I know, I've been saying this for years! Those guys are intolerant of intolerance! Hypocrite much LOL...

/facepalm
 
2013-05-17 01:45:34 PM  

gilgigamesh: Did anyone else read those responses in Takei's voice? That made them even cooler.


Yep.  Gay or not, that man is just a hoot.  I wish he were my neighbor, seems like he'd be a lot of fun to have around.
 
2013-05-17 01:47:26 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?

Wow.  Okay, I'll assume you're just unable to reason rather than that oblivious.

Imagine, if you will, that every ad, every billboard, every romantic comedy n TV, every... everything were about gay people.  And then, after hundreds of years, someone started showing straight people as being normal.  Just a few, here and there.  And the gay people said things like, "Those damn heteros - they're evil and against God's law."  And then the idea that straight people were not evil and not sick and were normal, too started to be accepted.  And then another gay person said, "I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you."

In other words, if a gay person said it, it would mean, "Being gay is normal, being straight is unacceptable, and straight people shouldn't force me to treat them as normal humans."

Try to extrapolate how that would feel to you, as a straight person.  If you can.  I'm doubtful.


That's a book called The Wanting Seed by Anthony Burgess

http://www.amazon.com/Wanting-Seed-Norton-Paperback-Fiction/dp/03933 15 088/ref=sr_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368812799&sr=1-13&keywords=seed
 
2013-05-17 01:52:09 PM  

mistrmind: FloydA: mistrmind:

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,

There is nothing contradictory about refusing to accept intolerance.  I recommend reading The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper.  He explains this point better than any other philosopher, IMO.

People preaching tolerance are anything but tolerant.  A contradiction in itself.


"We want equal rights!"

"I shouldn't have to listen to you demanding equal rights!"

"fark off, bigot."

"Why must you be sooooo intolerant?!"
 
2013-05-17 02:00:48 PM  
Man, the "Why are you tolerant of my bigotry" line NEEEEVER gets old.

Look mistrmind , you're Bull Connors right now. Put the hose down, man. Future generations are embarrassed by you.
 
2013-05-17 02:06:23 PM  
Based on the appalling spelling, grammar, and handwriting skills, those kids all look like members of the Young TeaBagger club..
 
2013-05-17 02:11:53 PM  
"Please tell me where this island of men is. Thanks."

Advantage Takei.
 
2013-05-17 02:18:22 PM  

what_now: Man, the "Why are you tolerant of my bigotry" line NEEEEVER gets old.

Look mistrmind , you're Bull Connors right now. Put the hose down, man. Future generations are embarrassed by you.


Sorry, the reference is lost on me, and you've missed my point completely.
 
2013-05-17 02:20:26 PM  

verbal_jizm: mistrmind: verbal_jizm: mistrmind: and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

But gays should just shut about about being demonized, right?

No, but demonizing anyone who doesn't accept you the correct course of action?   Now they've become the very people they're railing against.

I think Nietzche said it best:  Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

So people fighting for their rights are monsters now? Face it, man. You're on the losing side of this argument. People fighting for their rights are not the intolerant ones. Once they have rights and start infringing on yours, then you can cry about intolerance.


No, doing the exact same thing toward people who don't agree with you or see your point of view that they did to you.   They called you "monster", now you're calling them "monster".  Where does it stop?  And especially hypocritical coming from those that preach diversity and tolerance.
 
2013-05-17 02:21:17 PM  

Tellingthem: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: AdolfOliverPanties: mistrmind: I don't care who you love, but I do care when you try to force my acceptance or demonize me for thinking differently than you.

What would you think of a gay person making that comment?

George Takei is a national treasure.

Why would I care if a gay person made that comment?

Just turning the tides a bit.  What if a gay person didn't want to be forced to accept your heterosexuality or be demonized for not doing so.

Your first statement contradicts your second, by the way.  You don't care who loves who but you don't want to be forced to not care who loves who?

Nobody is forcing anyone to accept my heterosexuality, nor am I ramming it down anyone's throat.   On top of that, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone and saying they are evil for not believing or doing as I do.

As for contradiction.  I don't care who someone loves, but on the other hand I shouldn't be forced to accept who someone loves as X, where X is their marriage, or union or whatever you want to call it.   Just because you have a certain group of people who say this is the definition of marriage, that doesn't mean I have to accept or go along with that change in definition, and in doing so don't need to be demonized for considering such.

What gets me is the touchy feelie Diversity and tolerance crowd who celebrate such, but are anything but.   You preach tolerance, just as long as you fall in line with the groups thinking.   That is a contradiction in itself.
,
Most people don't care what you think or believe as long as the law treats everyone equally. But that is where the rub is. the law currently does not (in many areas at least). As soon as gay marriage is legal everywhere then the issue will fade away and you can keep on thinking whatever you want about it.


Well thank you for giving me your permission.  That makes me feel so much better.
 
2013-05-17 02:22:48 PM  
Fark tolerance.  That word is offensive in and of itself.  Oh, gays are to be tolerated?  How about everyone just chill and no longer give a crap who is farking who as long as it is consensual?  And expand on that and no longer deny rights to people based on that as well?

Tolerate that.
 
2013-05-17 02:25:46 PM  
Personal acceptance is not required.  People can, and should, demonize whoever they want.  What is necessary is total enforcement of equal protection under the law, and maintenance of the already existing wall of separation between church and state.
 
2013-05-17 02:31:17 PM  

UseUrHeadFred: Personal acceptance is not required.  People can, and should, demonize whoever they want.  What is necessary is total enforcement of equal protection under the law, and maintenance of the already existing wall of separation between church and state.


Okay.  How about we all demonize you.  Make sure you let us know how it feels.
 
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