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(NPR)   You know how Israel's co-ed army is supposed to be an example for the US? Well: "We won't have a female chief of staff. The glass ceiling is there for a variety of reasons. The military is a boys club...every military is a boys club"   (npr.org) divider line 228
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2013-05-17 11:50:16 AM
It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.
 
2013-05-17 12:06:20 PM
I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.
 
2013-05-17 12:07:31 PM
Sounds like a pretty shiatty club anyway.
 
2013-05-17 12:08:42 PM

unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.


Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.
 
2013-05-17 12:08:53 PM
True, but who cares when you have paratroopers like this

Corporal Elinor Josef; Israeli, Arab, Woman, Paratrooper, smoking hot

www.militaryphotos.net

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-17 12:09:48 PM

born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.


Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.
 
2013-05-17 12:10:10 PM
Yes, well, fark them if they choose to institute policies keeping people from higher levels of military command just 'cause of their chromosomes.

Seriously, I don't even see how a lot of the "Well, females don't necessarily have the same amount of physical fitness!" arguments even farking hold water when you get up to command roles in the military. I rather doubt, for instance, that Rumsfeld was in better physical shape than most of the female soldiers serving in the US military.

/Also almost any of them would have probably had vastly better decision-making capabilities.
//But that is probably damning with faint praise.
 
2013-05-17 12:10:14 PM

FarkingReading: Sounds like a pretty shiatty club anyway.


First rule of Sausage Club is..
 
2013-05-17 12:10:47 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


Hey it was started, now post pics or shut up
 
2013-05-17 12:11:21 PM

ikanreed: unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.


Huh? It seemed anti-bronze age to me.
 
2013-05-17 12:13:06 PM

neversubmit: ikanreed: unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.

Huh? It seemed anti-bronze age to me.


Forgive my limited cognitive capacity, but what does this post mean?
 
2013-05-17 12:13:49 PM
Then maybe women should just not join the IDF. Is that so hard.
 
2013-05-17 12:13:52 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


I agree. Post those pictures of hotties, boys!
 
2013-05-17 12:14:17 PM

born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-17 12:14:17 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


Well how about the idealization of men?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-17 12:15:26 PM
The hard cold truth is always difficult for most to swallow.
 
2013-05-17 12:15:29 PM

jedihirsch: True, but who cares when you have paratroopers like this

Corporal Elinor Josef; Israeli, Arab, Woman, Paratrooper, smoking hot

[www.militaryphotos.net image 465x348]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 826x647]


Thank you.

Enjoy your month of TF.

Beerguy
 
2013-05-17 12:15:46 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


I agree

media.moddb.com
 
2013-05-17 12:16:41 PM

ikanreed: There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.


emotibot.net

ikanreed: Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


emotibot.net
 
2013-05-17 12:17:51 PM
... Israel's model for an army is not supposed to be a model for the US army.

The reason why it is a co-ed army, and it's a people's army, is that it came out of absolute need for survival rather than it being the superior version.

There's a reason why Israel will eventually move from the current model to a small professional army, while having the rest of the population doing the equivalent of the national guard for a couple of years in case we ever find ourselves again, ch"vs in a 'life or death' situation.

Also, having women in fighting roles is a terrible terrible idea because of what it does to morale whenever there are casualties.
 
Bf+
2013-05-17 12:18:08 PM
What a boy's club might look like:
www.ehl.icrc.org
 
2013-05-17 12:18:11 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


lulz......awesome irony.
 
2013-05-17 12:18:36 PM
Girls cant shoot guns, unless it's the gun in my pants.

/veal
 
2013-05-17 12:18:39 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: ikanreed: unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.

Huh? It seemed anti-bronze age to me.

Forgive my limited cognitive capacity, but what does this post mean?


You found OPs post anti-Semitic, I thought it was anti-bronze age. Israel's attitudes are out of date because when you already have the "answer" you don't keep looking.
 
2013-05-17 12:18:56 PM
U.S.
i.i.com.com

IDF

resources2.news.com.au

Yes. Please lets follow their lead.
 
2013-05-17 12:19:04 PM
dnrtfa

is there as much rape and sexual harassment of women as there is in the us armed services?
 
2013-05-17 12:19:06 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


Problem?

men objectify women. It aint wrong either. It is in our nature.

women will biatch and complain about it. It is in their nature.

no amount of policy or well thought out discussion will ever change it.

bring on the sexy jew girls!
 
2013-05-17 12:19:36 PM
jim32rr:
I agree

[media.moddb.com image 620x827]


Look at my chest and ignore my deformed eye.
 
2013-05-17 12:19:53 PM

unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.


And in spite of all of that they're the sane, rational, and peaceful ones.

Put simply negotiations between Israel and the 'Palestinians' is a negotiation between Israel and a group of people who have vowed to destroy Israel if it's the last thing they ever do. How do you negotiate here? Do you say 'Gee, maybe you could just kill 2/3s of us in exchange for leaving us the fark alone?'
 
2013-05-17 12:20:00 PM
heh

CSB:   When I was in Israel during high school for the whole youth group tripand did that "week in the israeli army" funfest, we got to listen to this badass guy giving us a long hard lecture on respecting the person in charge and how fearless and tough etc she is and then after the big introduction she walks in and she's a 5 foot young looking girl with a very high minnie mouse voice. In the context of us goof-off American teenagers going through this very streamlined israeli army experience we just couldn't take it seriously.
 
2013-05-17 12:20:35 PM

ikanreed: unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.


Yes, yes they are. Not that its Judaism per-se. We are a [religion]ish/ite/ian nation! Is always a bad sign.
 
2013-05-17 12:21:12 PM
FARK rebel soldier:

ikanreed: Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.

[emotibot.net image 479x358]


I'm rather sure that when one is being facetious, that image macro doesn't apply.  I mean seriously.  I know sexist assholes tend to be dim, but unable to understand trivial context is a new low.
 
2013-05-17 12:21:26 PM

pute kisses like a man: is there as much rape and sexual harassment of women as there is in the us armed services?


No, not against IDF soldiers, nor against Arab women.

In fact there are virtually zero reported cases of Arab women ever raped by IDF soldiers. Of course, the discipline of our soldiers and moral ethics we try to impart to them was twisted into 'They are so racist that they don't even think Arab women are worthy of being raped by them!!!" by a few retards.
 
2013-05-17 12:21:47 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.

Problem?

men objectify women. It aint wrong either. It is in our nature.

women will biatch and complain about it. It is in their nature.

no amount of policy or well thought out discussion will ever change it.

bring on the sexy jew girls!


Plus, the only chicks that complain about "objectification" are the ones that don't get objectified.

/although, I guess a water buffalo is a *type* of object
 
2013-05-17 12:22:24 PM
Sounds like just about every "boys club" women ever cracked into.
 
2013-05-17 12:22:30 PM

ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.


Is BEST place to take it!
 
2013-05-17 12:22:34 PM
 "The kind of guy I want to send to war is the kind of guy who goes to monster truck rallies." - Stephen Walt, speaking to my undergrad poli sci class, explaining that testosterone is the reason why the military is slanted toward 18- to 25-yeard old males.
 
2013-05-17 12:22:47 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bring on the sexy jew girls!


Oy vay!
 
2013-05-17 12:23:01 PM

randomjsa: Put simply negotiations between Israel and the 'Palestinians' is a negotiation between Israel and a group of people who have vowed to destroy Israel if it's the last thing they ever do. How do you negotiate here? Do you say 'Gee, maybe you could just kill 2/3s of us in exchange for leaving us the fark alone?'


Just last week a very high PA official went on TV saying that 'we store, if we had nuclear bombs we would have used them this morning already'.

Yep, not only openly broadcasting the idea that they would use nuclear bombs against us, they don't even give a shiat that they'd be in the fallout zone.
 
2013-05-17 12:23:20 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: jim32rr:
I agree

[media.moddb.com image 620x827]

Look at my chest and ignore my deformed eye.


She has eyes?
 
2013-05-17 12:24:10 PM

WhippingBoy: teenage mutant ninja rapist: ikanreed: born_yesterday: I hope rather than having some banal political discussion, this thread turns into a "women of the IDF" pic fest.

/No, I'm not going to get it started.

Because, yeah, objectification of women is a great place to take a thread about sexism.

Problem?

men objectify women. It aint wrong either. It is in our nature.

women will biatch and complain about it. It is in their nature.

no amount of policy or well thought out discussion will ever change it.

bring on the sexy jew girls!

Plus, the only chicks that complain about "objectification" are the ones that don't get objectified.

/although, I guess a water buffalo is a *type* of object


Dont forget gremlins either
 
2013-05-17 12:24:28 PM

Super Chronic: "The kind of guy I want to send to war is the kind of guy who goes to monster truck rallies." - Stephen Walt, speaking to my undergrad poli sci class, explaining that testosterone is the reason why the military is slanted toward 18- to 25-yeard old males.


Stephen Walt is also a racist idiot, so.
 
2013-05-17 12:24:41 PM

WhippingBoy: Plus, the only chicks that complain about "objectification" are the ones that don't get objectified.



*facepalm*

Do you have female friends? Maybe ask them sometime.
 
2013-05-17 12:24:41 PM
ikanreed:
unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.


But it's not Judaism that is to blame for Israel's bad behaviour.  It's just religion and its general insistence that a magical sky wizard believes some people are better than others and deserve special things.  Look at the Saudis for another (worse) example of what happens when you mix religion, land and state.  A lot of them treat other Muslims like utter crap because they happen to control Mecca and natively speak Arabic.

Israel's government often behaves terribly, the US supports it, and a lot of innocent Israeli Jews are stuck with it too.
 
2013-05-17 12:24:49 PM

jim32rr: AverageAmericanGuy: jim32rr:
I agree

[media.moddb.com image 620x827]

Look at my chest and ignore my deformed eye.

She has eyes?


Yeah, but they look terrible. Maybe some reconstructive surgery?
 
2013-05-17 12:25:37 PM

Ned Stark: ikanreed: unlikely: It's a state that exists specifically because a bronze age document states that a bronze age sideral deity thinks they should have a state dedicated to him. Anyone who looks surprised at their bronze age attitudes towards anything at all has not been paying attention.

Normally I don't find anti-Israel sentiments anti-Semitic, but this post, it's anti-Semitic.

There are problems with Israel, but it being a Jewish nation aren't the source.

Yes, yes they are. Not that its Judaism per-se. We are a [religion]ish/ite/ian nation! Is always a bad sign.


That I can agree with, but isn't what I meant, I think religion is generally negative on social progress.  In context of what unlikely said, however, it's pretty clear he's specifically denigrating the Jewish religion.  Which really hurts people who have legitimate gripes about the behavior of this particular nation.  When so many critics are actually, truly anti-semitic, it makes it hard to argue that ethnic cleansing is bad.
 
2013-05-17 12:25:52 PM

WhippingBoy: Plus, the only chicks that complain about "objectification" are the ones that don't get objectified.


Hey, look! A statement that isn't true! Neat.
 
2013-05-17 12:27:45 PM

Tatsuma: randomjsa: Put simply negotiations between Israel and the 'Palestinians' is a negotiation between Israel and a group of people who have vowed to destroy Israel if it's the last thing they ever do. How do you negotiate here? Do you say 'Gee, maybe you could just kill 2/3s of us in exchange for leaving us the fark alone?'

Just last week a very high PA official went on TV saying that 'we store, if we had nuclear bombs we would have used them this morning already'.

Yep, not only openly broadcasting the idea that they would use nuclear bombs against us, they don't even give a shiat that they'd be in the fallout zone.


Aren't you in Brooklyn ? Whats this US business.
 
2013-05-17 12:28:20 PM
Tatsuma:
pute kisses like a man: is there as much rape and sexual harassment of women as there is in the us armed services?

No, not against IDF soldiers, nor against Arab women.


Christ, I would hope not.... female US soldiers are typically at more risk from other Americans than from the enemy.  Hard to get much worse than that.
 
2013-05-17 12:28:40 PM

Tatsuma: ... Israel's model for an army is not supposed to be a model for the US army.

The reason why it is a co-ed army, and it's a people's army, is that it came out of absolute need for survival rather than it being the superior version.

There's a reason why Israel will eventually move from the current model to a small professional army, while having the rest of the population doing the equivalent of the national guard for a couple of years in case we ever find ourselves again, ch"vs in a 'life or death' situation.

Also, having women in fighting roles is a terrible terrible idea because of what it does to morale whenever there are casualties.


Yup... they never talk about that... that men naturally want to protect women and if it comes down to a guy vs. girl dying in battle, the girl will get more sympathy, attention, and hurt morale.

There's also the issue of rape that the US military never addresses...  seems like sex and violence have a connection. Who knew?
 
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