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(Reuters)   Congresscritters 90% of the time: The government is BROKE, we DEMAND you spend less money Congresscritters after the DOD cancels a system in their district: how dare you cut this program? we DEMAND you spend this money immediately   (reuters.com) divider line 122
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2013-05-17 11:45:39 AM
Headline is too long.
I'd have gone with "water is still wet"
 
2013-05-17 11:48:28 AM
"Obvious" tag broken?  It's been that way forever.  Everyone thinks the government spends to much.  "Oh, you mean in my district?  Heavens, no."
 
2013-05-17 12:08:17 PM
Also: Sun rose in the East.

If we just let a manageable amount of pork-barrel rolling back into the system, we might see a little governing from the legislature again.

/seriously
 
2013-05-17 12:25:43 PM
Get a brain, Moran!
 
DAR
2013-05-17 12:30:12 PM
Air Force brass (mostly pilots I'll bet) don't like the idea of unmanned drones in general & think it would be cheaper to fly manned U-2 spy planes (probability true).  Manned aircraft may be obsolesce in future wars.

Somewhat different then the Army telling Congress that they don't want anymore M1 Abrams tanks because they have more then enough of them already.  Tanks in general may be obsolesce in future wars also (think Ah-64 Apache & hellfire missiles vs the whole Iraq Army).

DAR
 
2013-05-17 12:39:08 PM

Nabb1: "Obvious" tag broken?  It's been that way forever.  Everyone thinks the government spends to much.  "Oh, you mean in my district?  Heavens, no."


It's always the other guys fault...
 
2013-05-17 12:54:19 PM
We should eviscerate the lot of 'em.

All of congress should be sent to GITMO
 
2013-05-17 01:00:00 PM
Its not pork when *I* do it.
That should be Ron Paul's motto.
 
2013-05-17 01:22:54 PM
How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.
 
2013-05-17 01:26:05 PM

Lando Lincoln: How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.


Greed, stupidity, and self interest always find a way around.
 
2013-05-17 01:30:45 PM
SSDD get used yet?
 
2013-05-17 01:31:28 PM
Republicans, spending doesn't create jobs unless it's in THEIR district.
 
2013-05-17 01:31:32 PM

Diogenes: Lando Lincoln: How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.

Greed, stupidity, and self interest always find a way around.


Are you saying a population consisting solely of idiots will breed?

/Holy crap there's frog DNA in politicians
 
2013-05-17 01:32:54 PM
We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.
 
2013-05-17 01:33:17 PM
I see you've met every Rep. from the great state of Oklahoma.
 
2013-05-17 01:33:33 PM

Weaver95: Nabb1: "Obvious" tag broken?  It's been that way forever.  Everyone thinks the government spends to much.  "Oh, you mean in my district?  Heavens, no."

It's always the other guys fault...


Hence polls showing Congress approval ratings under 15%, but "MY" guy having a 54% approval rating.
 
2013-05-17 01:34:48 PM

Lando Lincoln: I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.


I can think of one big problem:

What stops a monied interest from having a stable of willing lackeys to serve - the guy who gets elected, followed by a deep bench of syncophants, yes-men, corporate suckups and True Believers?

// what stops them now?
// nothing, I guess, but it's now it's just easier to buy one and let it ride as long as you can
 
2013-05-17 01:35:42 PM
I submitted this headline with more Ted Cruz.
 
2013-05-17 01:36:03 PM
This fits right in with what I've been saying for some time now.  The "we have a spending problem" crowd is the "we don't like these here slave reparations goin' to lazy urbanites" crowd.  You try to cut one nickel from spending that benefits them directly, and the howling begins.

No, you're not going to cut or defer or eliminate future SS and Medicare benefits for me while protecting and increasing the various already bloated "defense" budgets.  I'm not going to continue to pay taxes and receive nothing in return except tanks parked in the desert and more bad-haircut-lapel-flag Real Murcan congressmen lecturing me about responsibility, when they're not busy hiking the Appalachian Trail.

Nope.
 
2013-05-17 01:36:35 PM
Add up all levels of government spending and they spend 40% of GDP.  4 out of every 10 dollars.  How much do liberals think they should spend, 1 out of ever 2?  More?

There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud.  40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.
 
2013-05-17 01:36:58 PM

BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.


If only we could remit boostraps to the IRS instead of taxes.
 
2013-05-17 01:38:35 PM

MyRandomName: Add up all levels of government spending and they spend 40% of GDP.  4 out of every 10 dollars.  How much do defense-obssessed conservatives think they should spend, 1 out of ever 2?  More?

There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud.  40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.


FTFY for accuracy
 
2013-05-17 01:39:23 PM

coeyagi: BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.

If only we could remit boostraps to the IRS instead of taxes.


UPC codes from Atlas Shrugged and had drawn currency from Freemen of the Land is all the government should run on.
 
2013-05-17 01:41:01 PM

BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.


Because the GOP has this religious belief of economics they think poor people (which includes minorities and immigrants) are bad people and that's why they are poor and should be punished, while rich people are all good so should be rewarded.

So to a liberal helping poor people is giving them an opportunity to succeed, while to a Republican helping poor people is rewarding them for being stupid and lazy.
 
2013-05-17 01:42:03 PM

MyRandomName: There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud. 40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.


"Waste", like building tanks, carriers and planes the military doesn't want?

// the tank one is funny, because the parts are made in OH (in Boehner's district, IIRC), and that's a politically influential state
 
2013-05-17 01:42:15 PM

coeyagi: MyRandomName: Add up all levels of government spending and they spend 40% of GDP.  4 out of every 10 dollars.  How much do defense-obssessed conservatives think they should spend, 1 out of ever 2?  More?

There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud.  40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

FTFY for accuracy


Your fix is beyond idiotic, it adds nor takes away anything from my response.  Is your claim defense spending is 40% of GDP?  That is one stupid claim.
 
2013-05-17 01:43:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud. 40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

"Waste", like building tanks, carriers and planes the military doesn't want?

// the tank one is funny, because the parts are made in OH (in Boehner's district, IIRC), and that's a politically influential state


LOL.  farking hilarious how you are adding liberal spin.  Waste is waste no matter what area of government it is in.  GAO releases yearly reports on duplication and waste.  The Medicare Actuary releases reports on estimate fraud. Both reports report waste/fraud in the billions.  Get rid of that, get rid of waste in the military, get rid of all waste.  Not sure what your argument actually is.

My main argument is 40% of GDP spending is more than enough.  Are you saying it is not?
 
2013-05-17 01:43:52 PM

Corvus: BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.

Because the GOP has this religious belief of economics they think poor people (which includes minorities and immigrants) are bad people and that's why they are poor and should be punished, while rich people are all good so should be rewarded.

So to a liberal helping poor people is giving them an opportunity to succeed, while to a Republican helping poor people is rewarding them for being stupid and lazy.


Republicanism - The belief system you subscribe to because you've never had any tragic life experiences that your bank account couldn't solve.™
 
2013-05-17 01:44:28 PM
I had a Republican co-worker  she would biatch about government "waste" and I tried to point out the "waste" they were talking about included the government programs that her autistic child were going to and she replied "No, it's not. Those are important!!"
 
2013-05-17 01:44:52 PM
It's only wasteful when it improves the quality of life for Americans.
 
2013-05-17 01:45:09 PM

coeyagi: Corvus: BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.

Because the GOP has this religious belief of economics they think poor people (which includes minorities and immigrants) are bad people and that's why they are poor and should be punished, while rich people are all good so should be rewarded.

So to a liberal helping poor people is giving them an opportunity to succeed, while to a Republican helping poor people is rewarding them for being stupid and lazy.

Republicanism - The belief system you subscribe to because you've never had any tragic life experiences that your bank account couldn't solve.™


No when they have those tragic events they take the government aid because "they deserve it". I see it all the time.
 
2013-05-17 01:45:59 PM

coeyagi: Corvus: BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.

Because the GOP has this religious belief of economics they think poor people (which includes minorities and immigrants) are bad people and that's why they are poor and should be punished, while rich people are all good so should be rewarded.

So to a liberal helping poor people is giving them an opportunity to succeed, while to a Republican helping poor people is rewarding them for being stupid and lazy.

Republicanism - The belief system you subscribe to because you've never had any tragic life experiences that your bank account couldn't solve.™


liberalism - the belief that nothing is your fault, that how much hard work you put in should matter, we are all equal.  Outcome should always be equal despite the difference in input.
 
2013-05-17 01:46:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.


Look at Va's govenorship to see why this is a very bad idea.  They are term-limited to one term at a time, and it makes them incredibly unwilling to make hard choices since they know they won;t be around to deal with the consequences of just doing what's popular
 
2013-05-17 01:47:16 PM

MyRandomName: Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud. 40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

"Waste", like building tanks, carriers and planes the military doesn't want?

// the tank one is funny, because the parts are made in OH (in Boehner's district, IIRC), and that's a politically influential state

LOL.  farking hilarious how you are adding liberal spin.  Waste is waste no matter what area of government it is in.  GAO releases yearly reports on duplication and waste.  The Medicare Actuary releases reports on estimate fraud. Both reports report waste/fraud in the billions.  Get rid of that, get rid of waste in the military, get rid of all waste.  Not sure what your argument actually is.

My main argument is 40% of GDP spending is more than enough.  Are you saying it is not?


I love how you can't tell us what you mean by "waste" and "duplication".

Seems like the GOP can't get past vague terms and into specifics.
 
2013-05-17 01:47:18 PM

MyRandomName: coeyagi: MyRandomName: Add up all levels of government spending and they spend 40% of GDP.  4 out of every 10 dollars.  How much do defense-obssessed conservatives think they should spend, 1 out of ever 2?  More?

There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud.  40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

FTFY for accuracy

Your fix is beyond idiotic, it adds nor takes away anything from my response.  Is your claim defense spending is 40% of GDP?  That is one stupid claim.


No, Capt. Strawman, that is not what I am claiming.  The point is that your biased comment could easily be framed for the other side.  Entitlement spending AND defense spending are what makes up that 40%, but you know that, and you know that I know that, but like a feckless shill you decided to strawman nonetheless.
 
2013-05-17 01:48:47 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the government doesn't spend too much?
 
2013-05-17 01:49:10 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Am I the only one who thinks the government doesn't spend too much?


Nope. We do have a spending problem, we're not spending enough.
 
2013-05-17 01:49:31 PM
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2013-05-17 01:49:45 PM

MyRandomName: coeyagi: Corvus: BSABSVR: We are broke when it comes to helping poor people. When it comes to military and border fences, the check is blank.

Because the GOP has this religious belief of economics they think poor people (which includes minorities and immigrants) are bad people and that's why they are poor and should be punished, while rich people are all good so should be rewarded.

So to a liberal helping poor people is giving them an opportunity to succeed, while to a Republican helping poor people is rewarding them for being stupid and lazy.

Republicanism - The belief system you subscribe to because you've never had any tragic life experiences that your bank account couldn't solve.™

liberalism - the belief that nothing is your fault, that how much hard work you put in should matter, we are all equal.  Outcome should always be equal despite the difference in input.


Yeah, that's actually not correct.  I am as liberal as they come and everything in my life I am accountable for. Try again?  I know you were just being general in your derpitude, but it was shockingly terrible in its accuracy considering that red states take the most federal money.

OH F*CKING SNAP!
 
2013-05-17 01:49:49 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Am I the only one who thinks the government doesn't spend too much?

Nope. We do have a spending problem, we're not spending enough.


After the cuts, yeah.
 
2013-05-17 01:50:53 PM

Magorn: Lando Lincoln: How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.

Look at Va's govenorship to see why this is a very bad idea.  They are term-limited to one term at a time, and it makes them incredibly unwilling to make hard choices since they know they won;t be around to deal with the consequences of just doing what's popular


That or the MO Legislature.

We have term limits for it and as a result we have dumbasses from the sticks and the bible-thumping suburbs (like the one that I live in) where they're trying to outlaw things like Agenda 21 and Drones.
 
2013-05-17 01:51:48 PM

Mrtraveler01: Magorn: Lando Lincoln: How many of our governmental problems would be solved and how many new problems would be created if we did the following:

* Doubled the length of terms for Presidents and Senators, and tripled the length of terms for Representatives
* Everybody has a single term.
* Once you get one of these three jobs, then you can't have a shot at a second one.

I'm thinking many many problems would be solved but only a few problems would be created.

Look at Va's govenorship to see why this is a very bad idea.  They are term-limited to one term at a time, and it makes them incredibly unwilling to make hard choices since they know they won;t be around to deal with the consequences of just doing what's popular

That or the MO Legislature.

We have term limits for it and as a result we have dumbasses from the sticks and the bible-thumping suburbs (like the one that I live in) where they're trying to outlaw things like Agenda 21 and Drones.


Oh yeah...forgot we outlawed Sharia Law too.

Now I can sleep soundly at night...or something.
 
2013-05-17 01:53:06 PM
This is SOP.  Congresscritters are always wanting to cut funding in districts/states that of the opposite party and not their own.

GOP critters favor military suppliers, big businesses and the like, so they defend those expenditures since they always seem to go to companies and men in their own districts.

The Democratic critters favor things like social welfare systems, education and environmental efforts, which is why the GOP targets them incessantly.
 
2013-05-17 01:53:44 PM
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"I told you f*ckers about this half a century ago"
 
2013-05-17 01:53:47 PM

MyRandomName: Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud. 40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

"Waste", like building tanks, carriers and planes the military doesn't want?

// the tank one is funny, because the parts are made in OH (in Boehner's district, IIRC), and that's a politically influential state

LOL.  farking hilarious how you are adding liberal spin.  Waste is waste no matter what area of government it is in.  GAO releases yearly reports on duplication and waste.  The Medicare Actuary releases reports on estimate fraud. Both reports report waste/fraud in the billions.  Get rid of that, get rid of waste in the military, get rid of all waste.  Not sure what your argument actually is.

My main argument is 40% of GDP spending is more than enough.  Are you saying it is not?


Right.

So when some official attempts to reduce WASTE by cutting the number of tanks, carriers, planes, etc ordered from suppliers, we can safely say that those opposed are (at least somewhat) opposed ot cutting waste?

Go campaign against half the GOP.

// I'm assuming you're a Republican voter
// remove the beam from thine own eye, yadda yadda
 
2013-05-17 01:55:24 PM
fark congress.
 
2013-05-17 01:56:37 PM

JolobinSmokin: I see you've met every Rep. from the great state of Oklahoma.


You're using "great" pretty loosely there.
 
2013-05-17 01:57:50 PM

Corvus: I had a Republican co-worker  she would biatch about government "waste" and I tried to point out the "waste" they were talking about included the government programs that her autistic child were going to and she replied "No, it's not. Those are important!!"

"Fark you, I got mine!"

Tightened that up a little bit.
 
2013-05-17 02:02:29 PM

coeyagi: MyRandomName: coeyagi: MyRandomName: Add up all levels of government spending and they spend 40% of GDP.  4 out of every 10 dollars.  How much do defense-obssessed conservatives think they should spend, 1 out of ever 2?  More?

There would be more money if they ended duplication, waste, fraud.  40% of GDP should be more than enough if government was a competent entity.

FTFY for accuracy

Your fix is beyond idiotic, it adds nor takes away anything from my response.  Is your claim defense spending is 40% of GDP?  That is one stupid claim.

No, Capt. Strawman, that is not what I am claiming.  The point is that your biased comment could easily be framed for the other side.  Entitlement spending AND defense spending are what makes up that 40%, but you know that, and you know that I know that, but like a feckless shill you decided to strawman nonetheless.



I'm curious about this figure of 40% of GDP
Estimated GDP for 2012 was $15.66 trillion*
Estimated total government expenditures for 2012 were $3.65 trillion*.

40% of $15.66 trillion is $6.264 trillion.

*from the CIA World Factbook
 
2013-05-17 02:04:59 PM
The military industrial complex corrupts both sides of the aisle; however, I find the Republicans the most despicable because they would take food form a poor child to pay for another missile.
 
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