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2013-05-17 08:59:28 AM
Beat your kids, furiously
 
2013-05-17 09:32:43 AM
Assburger's: A psychological affliction where the patient blames acting like a farktard to everyone around them on a self diagnosis of Asperger's.
 
2013-05-17 09:32:45 AM
The DSM is mostly useless.
 
2013-05-17 09:47:58 AM
At the point where we have a million disorders that differ from what a "normal person" would be doing, shouldn't we concede that the human experience in general is more varied and encompassing than can be summed up by said theoretical "normal person?"
 
2013-05-17 09:48:00 AM
Psychology is a liberals dream job. Every action you make is not your fault. Percentage of people diagnosed with add/adhd has doubled in just 10 years. Social "diseases" like anxiety have lead to increasing disability numbers. Good times we live in. Drugs and mental diseases for all.
 
2013-05-17 09:51:07 AM

MyRandomName: Psychology is a liberals dream job. Every action you make is not your fault. Percentage of people diagnosed with add/adhd has doubled in just 10 years. Social "diseases" like anxiety have lead to increasing disability numbers. Good times we live in. Drugs and mental diseases for all.


Start medicating early then wonder why benzos and pain killers are running rampant in the high schools and colleges.
 
2013-05-17 09:53:14 AM

ginandbacon: The DSM is mostly useless.


Useless unless you want something paid for from your insurance.
 
2013-05-17 09:53:18 AM
Is it blaming anime and mmorpgs for aspergers? Or is aspergers to blame for anime and mmorpgs?
 
2013-05-17 09:53:33 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: At the point where we have a million disorders that differ from what a "normal person" would be doing, shouldn't we concede that the human experience in general is more varied and encompassing than can be summed up by said theoretical "normal person?"


Whatever hippie. Billy fidgets at the table. Its embarrassing. Give him the drugs.
 
2013-05-17 09:55:31 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: At the point where we have a million disorders that differ from what a "normal person" would be doing, shouldn't we concede that the human experience in general is more varied and encompassing than can be summed up by said theoretical "normal person?"


The only thing normal about people is their uniqueness. Always remember, you are unique and special, just like everyone else.
 
2013-05-17 09:55:35 AM
In before the idiot who claims autism is a get-rich-quick scam by Big Pharma.
 
2013-05-17 09:59:01 AM

Tatsuma: Is it blaming anime and mmorpgs for aspergers? Or is aspergers to blame for anime and mmorpgs?


DSM isn't exegetic, it's diagnostic.
 
2013-05-17 10:01:59 AM

chrylis: In before the idiot who claims autism is a get-rich-quick scam by Big Pharma.


Yeah but you didn't get in before the other idiots who understand mental health science about as well as scientologists.
 
2013-05-17 10:02:29 AM

FatPrincess: ginandbacon: The DSM is mostly useless.

Useless unless you want something paid for from your insurance.


Winner winner chicken dinner.

My kid was just diagnosed with ADHD last week. I would have been happy to never take that step and go straight to occupational therapy, but our insurance wouldn't pay for the OT unless he had a diagnosis. Hopefully the OT will help enough that we never have to mess with medication. I know from personal experience that it can help, but it's not without consequence.

/csb, right?
 
2013-05-17 10:04:39 AM
Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus. Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category.
 
2013-05-17 10:07:53 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: At the point where we have a million disorders that differ from what a "normal person" would be doing, shouldn't we concede that the human experience in general is more varied and encompassing than can be summed up by said theoretical "normal person?"


Agreed. I try not to think of it in terms of normal or abnormal--that's just an arbitrary yardstick. The question that matters most is: how can we help people function best within our society? If a significant number of people cannot do that, is it more worth it to change the people or the society? Not sure what the answer is, but I suspect it's somewhere in the middle.
 
2013-05-17 10:08:01 AM

MyRandomName: Psychology is a liberals dream job. Every action you make is not your fault. Percentage of people diagnosed with add/adhd has doubled in just 10 years. Social "diseases" like anxiety have lead to increasing disability numbers. Good times we live in. Drugs and mental diseases for all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feingold_diet#History

This guy theorized that there is a correlation, likely causation, between the exponential increase in artificial food additives synthesized from petroleum distilates which has driven the incidence of brain chemical imbalance in children and some adults.

It's not out of the question considering the closely matched graph of reduced violence in this country and the reduction of the use of lead in everything.
 
2013-05-17 10:09:33 AM

JPSimonetti: Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus. Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category.


As a medicically-diagnosed Aspie, I fully agree.
 
2013-05-17 10:12:45 AM

Vermicious Knids: My kid was just diagnosed with ADHD last week.


Keep your chin up, you still have many years ahead with your little handful. ADD runs in my family and my little one is on the autism spectrum. Everyday is a blessing but it gets trying with all the effort it take to keep their energy directed in positive ways.

As for DSM-V, I'm more interested in it for selfish reasons.

/Gender, paraphilia, and eating disorders are relevant to my interests.
 
2013-05-17 10:16:44 AM
FatPrincess:

As for DSM-V, I'm more interested in it for selfish reasons.

It was my understanding that DSM stood for Diary of Selfish Melodrama


/bad joke
 
2013-05-17 10:20:01 AM
The NIMH has denounced the DSM V completely, as the latest version of the manual completely changed their research methods from the previous versions. The managing director of the DSM-IV himself says its a crock of shiat written for and (pretty much by) the Pharmaceutical companies and it shouldn't be taught or used as a guide for psychiatrists or psychologists.
 
2013-05-17 10:29:20 AM

JPSimonetti: ... Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category.


That's why there's a SPECTRUM.  You see, the successful aspergers man is more of a rust to maroon autistic, whereas your son is more likely a plum to lavender autistic example.  Not only totally different, but would look awful in a room together.

/Although maybe in a nice paisly or floral pattern.
 
2013-05-17 10:29:57 AM

verbaltoxin: Yeah but you didn't get in before the other idiots who understand mental health science about as well as scientologists.


*shrug* Only so much you can do!

JPSimonetti: Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category.


Except for the repeatedly-confirmed fact that the difference is one of degree rather than of kind.  The conditions overlap in their heritability, meaning they almost certainly share an etiology, and the characteristics are the same in both, and that's not even considering the unusual but quite real mental meltdown that can send an otherwise normal-appearing Aspie nonverbal and rocking.  Research on very-high-functioning Aspies to high-functioning articulate autistic individuals should be able to provide insights to help those with more severe versions.

(I don't hold a high opinion of the DSM-V, but classifying ASDs as a single spectrum is clearly one change they got right.)
 
2013-05-17 10:32:14 AM

Deathfrogg: Pharmaceutical companies


Good. Makes it easier to medicate our problems. <.5s>

/OTC everything and let Darwin sort us out.
 
2013-05-17 10:33:54 AM
Do some parents doctor shop to get their kids an IEP so they can take time and a half on tests and be given study enhancement drugs? YES.

Does that mean all ADD, Aspies, and (insert LD du jour here) are faking it? NO.

My brother is an Aspie, trying to explain the minutia of social dynamics is like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man. It's virtually impossible.

I'm looking into him getting some sort of socialization training, but trying to find resources is difficult and our Dad has buried his head in the sand as to how severe his condition is and is sheltering him too much.

My brother has a degree in accounting and can't get a job to save his life because of his lack of social and communication skills. My Mom and I fear he'll have to go on SSID and Medicaid in the next year when he gets too old to be on her insurance. :(

/He'll never be a CFO or a CPA but we're hoping with a little help he could hold down a bookkeeping job
//He needs to move out and get away from our Dad as well
///Farking Frustrating
 
2013-05-17 10:41:44 AM
1. Chitty kids have been around a lot longer that the autism craze.
2. Spare the rod and suffer the indolent kid.
3. Teach Your Children Well
 
2013-05-17 10:43:02 AM
Is nail biting now OCD? Maybe I could go on disability like everyone else now. Or get some drugs or something.
 
2013-05-17 10:45:37 AM

shortymac: Dad has buried his head in the sand


Ouch... Frustrating for sure. I'm married to a 'get it done' fixer but I've seen quite a few kids not getting the help they need during the very critical early years. I hope your brother finds accommodating employment.
 
2013-05-17 10:50:59 AM

KarmicDisaster: Is nail biting now OCD? Maybe I could go on disability like everyone else now. Or get some drugs or something.


Does your nail biting significantly interfere with your enjoyment of life?
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-05-17 10:51:24 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet


As a medicically-diagnosed Aspie, I fully agree.


Holy cow, the MEDICI diagnosed you?? How did you get them to do that?
 
2013-05-17 10:52:38 AM
In 10 days, we're going to see the Dunning-Kruger effect manifest in American parents at levels unseen in 20 years.
 
2013-05-17 10:56:59 AM

ginandbacon: The DSM is mostly useless.


Comedy is a use.

Mathematics disorder. You're not bad with numbers. You're mentally ill.
 
2013-05-17 11:03:34 AM

Bumblefark: ginandbacon: The DSM is mostly useless.

Comedy is a use.

Mathematics disorder. You're not bad with numbers. You're mentally ill.


Can I get handicapped parking for that?
 
2013-05-17 11:03:52 AM

JPSimonetti: Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus. Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category.


^This
 
2013-05-17 11:17:21 AM
Hey, at least people are taking bipolar disorder more seriously now that autism is the new black. 25 years ago half the people I knew were claiming to be bipolar, including my boyfriend at the time. I asked him if he'd been medically diagnosed. He said "No, but I know I am, because sometimes I'm really happy and sometimes I'm really sad."

*facepalm*

For some reason, claiming to be dyslexic was also really popular. 15 years later in a Usenet newsgroup I hung out in, suddenly there was this inexplicable epidemic of multiple personality disorder due to recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. After a couple of years, most of those claiming it had quietly stopped talking about it. Two still claim to have it. And one of them, the ex-boyfriend of another, is in hardcore therapy because his girlfriend had truly convinced him that he had been sexually abused by family members, and that tore up his family and his life in a huge way from which he has yet to recover.

ADHD has been popular for years, but I've met a depressing number of people who claim to have Asperger's. Ironically, the only person I know who obviously, flagrantly *does* have it refuses to even consider the possibility.

I can't wait to see what gets trendy next. Probably something that gives people an easy out for bad behavior, though. My money is on people claiming to be high-functioning psychopaths. Especially criminals and men who can't commit. "I can't love you, baby, because I don't have any feelings, but if I could care about anyone, it would be you."
 
2013-05-17 11:20:37 AM

FatPrincess: shortymac: Dad has buried his head in the sand

Ouch... Frustrating for sure. I'm married to a 'get it done' fixer but I've seen quite a few kids not getting the help they need during the very critical early years. I hope your brother finds accommodating employment.


Thank you, hug. Both my parents were involved in getting my brother help at a very young age.

My Dad was the original helicopter parent and while it may have helped my brother when he was very young he needs to let go of control now and let my brother socialize with his peers. He seems to think that my brother's communication and socialization issues aren't that glaring and that my brother just needs to work on his slight lisp.

I'm very afraid they're relationship will turn into something like Lucille and Buster's from Arrested Development.

I don't live nearby anymore (I moved far away to get away from my Dad's control issues) so trying to pry my brother from his grasp is difficult.
 
2013-05-17 11:38:39 AM

JPSimonetti: Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus.

" Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category."


You don't know how a spectrum disorder works do you?  Just because someone looks "Higher Functioning" or "Mild" to you doesn't mean they are. Try telling that to my son with Aspergers that can't comprehend what he read 5 minutes before. He has an IEP a mile long. Or why he holds his breath when things get confusing for him. How mid sentence he can slip into story mode and get completely lost in the present. Because your child is so much more deserving then mine to be percieved as someone with a disability. You know what my child may never be able to hold a job or be independent either  As a parent with a child on the spectrum you should know better then to say things like that. I at least support ALL people on the spectrum and have learned not to compare anyones children. Its too costly to be supportive of everyone isn't it.
 
2013-05-17 11:39:15 AM

gglibertine: Hey, at least people are taking bipolar disorder more seriously now that autism is the new black. 25 years ago half the people I knew were claiming to be bipolar, including my boyfriend at the time. I asked him if he'd been medically diagnosed. He said "No, but I know I am, because sometimes I'm really happy and sometimes I'm really sad."

*facepalm*

For some reason, claiming to be dyslexic was also really popular. 15 years later in a Usenet newsgroup I hung out in, suddenly there was this inexplicable epidemic of multiple personality disorder due to recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. After a couple of years, most of those claiming it had quietly stopped talking about it. Two still claim to have it. And one of them, the ex-boyfriend of another, is in hardcore therapy because his girlfriend had truly convinced him that he had been sexually abused by family members, and that tore up his family and his life in a huge way from which he has yet to recover.

ADHD has been popular for years, but I've met a depressing number of people who claim to have Asperger's. Ironically, the only person I know who obviously, flagrantly *does* have it refuses to even consider the possibility.

I can't wait to see what gets trendy next. Probably something that gives people an easy out for bad behavior, though. My money is on people claiming to be high-functioning psychopaths. Especially criminals and men who can't commit. "I can't love you, baby, because I don't have any feelings, but if I could care about anyone, it would be you."


Ugh, tell me about it.  I don't think many people realize that trends happening in the medical fields just like everywhere else.

For example, after Freud it became popular to explain away physical aliments as a result of psychological distress.

Autism was blamed on "Refrigerator mothers", ulcerative colitis on "overbearing mothers", Schizophrenia was blamed on "family dynamics", and stomach ulcers were blamed on "stress". The deinstutionalization movement was led by many professionals who believed that mental illness didn't really exist but was simply a manifestation of class strife and injustice. Many older women are still suffering from the effects of hormone therapy, which was all based on a falsified medical research.
 
2013-05-17 11:43:11 AM

FatPrincess: KarmicDisaster: Is nail biting now OCD? Maybe I could go on disability like everyone else now. Or get some drugs or something.

Does your nail biting significantly interfere with your enjoyment of life?
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x299]


No, it's kind of fun.
 
2013-05-17 11:47:30 AM

Anthracite: JPSimonetti: Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus.

" Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category."

You don't know how a spectrum disorder works do you?  Just because someone looks "Higher Functioning" or "Mild" to you doesn't mean they are. Try telling that to my son with Aspergers that can't comprehend what he read 5 minutes before. He has an IEP a mile long. Or why he holds his breath when things get confusing for him. How mid sentence he can slip into story mode and get completely lost in the present. Because your child is so much more deserving then mine to be percieved as someone with a disability. You know what my child may never be able to hold a job or be independent either  As a parent with a child on the spectrum you should know better then to say things like that. I at least support ALL people on the spectrum and have learned not to compare anyones children. Its too costly to be supportive of everyone isn't it.


Defensive much? And we parents on the with kids are supposed to work together for the benefit of our children.
 
2013-05-17 11:51:15 AM

Madame Ovary: Anthracite: JPSimonetti: Autism Is one of those things with real symptoms that anyone can see. It's clearly a case of "there is something very wrong with that boy" ... obviously a lot of neurological misfiring going on. Aspergers annoys the hell out of me because it trivializes autism to the general populace. Everyone wants to tell me how successful this guy they know with Aspergers is. No, my son will never hold a job or be independent. He is 9 and can't even walk himself from the porch to the bus.

" Aspergers is so mild compared to rain-man autism that it shouldn't be considered in the same category."

You don't know how a spectrum disorder works do you?  Just because someone looks "Higher Functioning" or "Mild" to you doesn't mean they are. Try telling that to my son with Aspergers that can't comprehend what he read 5 minutes before. He has an IEP a mile long. Or why he holds his breath when things get confusing for him. How mid sentence he can slip into story mode and get completely lost in the present. Because your child is so much more deserving then mine to be percieved as someone with a disability. You know what my child may never be able to hold a job or be independent either  As a parent with a child on the spectrum you should know better then to say things like that. I at least support ALL people on the spectrum and have learned not to compare anyones children. Its too costly to be supportive of everyone isn't it.

Defensive much? And we parents on the with kids are supposed to work together for the benefit of our children.


Yes i agree. I have been up against too many parents with the "Your child is less severve then my child you just don't understand how hard my life is compared to yours" argument that I get triggered easily. The Victim parents of the world have soured my otherwise kind personality.. damn you internets...

I still support this parent and their child and hope that he can get the help that he or she needs.
 
2013-05-17 11:57:55 AM

KarmicDisaster: FatPrincess: Does your nail biting significantly interfere with your enjoyment of life?
No, it's kind of fun.


No drugs for you.
 
2013-05-17 12:11:44 PM
"Changes to the DSM-5 mean that it will be much easier to blame bad parenting on ADHD, but harder to blame it on autism"

Am I the only person who read that and thought, "ADHD and austism cause bad parenting?" I think subby meant to say "blame For" not "blame On". Or just reverse the order - which ever.
 
2013-05-17 12:14:54 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Bumblefark: ginandbacon: The DSM is mostly useless.

Comedy is a use.

Mathematics disorder. You're not bad with numbers. You're mentally ill.

Can I get handicapped parking for that?


Unfortunately, no. But for those who regard the DSM as a scientific text, we do strongly recommend wearing protective headgear at all times.
 
2013-05-17 12:28:31 PM
I've been dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder. Want to talk about being blown off by psych doctors and therapists?

I read the DSM-5 criteria for Borderline and they've made it SO complicated that people like me are going to fall through the cracks. I'm lucky that I got a name to what was going on with me. I get meds to help to stabilize my mood, which helps. But what really helps is finding an effective therapy for actually changing behavior and not using the label to exuse my poor behavior. DBT therapy is very interesting.
 
2013-05-17 12:48:14 PM

gglibertine: Hey, at least people are taking bipolar disorder more seriously now that autism is the new black. 25 years ago half the people I knew were claiming to be bipolar, including my boyfriend at the time. I asked him if he'd been medically diagnosed. He said "No, but I know I am, because sometimes I'm really happy and sometimes I'm really sad."

*facepalm*

For some reason, claiming to be dyslexic was also really popular. 15 years later in a Usenet newsgroup I hung out in, suddenly there was this inexplicable epidemic of multiple personality disorder due to recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. After a couple of years, most of those claiming it had quietly stopped talking about it. Two still claim to have it. And one of them, the ex-boyfriend of another, is in hardcore therapy because his girlfriend had truly convinced him that he had been sexually abused by family members, and that tore up his family and his life in a huge way from which he has yet to recover.

ADHD has been popular for years, but I've met a depressing number of people who claim to have Asperger's. Ironically, the only person I know who obviously, flagrantly *does* have it refuses to even consider the possibility.

I can't wait to see what gets trendy next. Probably something that gives people an easy out for bad behavior, though. My money is on people claiming to be high-functioning psychopaths. Especially criminals and men who can't commit. "I can't love you, baby, because I don't have any feelings, but if I could care about anyone, it would be you."



THIS^.  People feel now that if they have a name and/or diagnosis for their annoying traits that it absolves them from having to take responsibility for it or from trying to correct it.


"I am  prone to tantrums, feeling bad for myself and don't know how to cope with stress/depression therfore I often become cranky because I can't control my emotions like an adult" = Bipolar

"I am kinda dumb and can't spell or maybe read really well and am too lazy to read a book" = Dyslexic

"I am a moody attention whore and don't wanna be labeled bipolar as they already have enough in their club" = Multiple Personality Disorder

"I am  socially awkward and no one likes me because I'm a prick" = Aspergers

"I am a spaz that no one can handle because since I'm too busy doing what I want to do" =ADHD


I think all this started just a few years after me and my generation (last of the gen x-ers).  None of my peers were taking these drugs or getting these diagnoses. In my day we just called them "The weird kid" and left it at that instead of further alienating them as a medical case.  For the most part they turned out ok.
 
2013-05-17 12:48:35 PM

rosy621: I've been dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder. Want to talk about being blown off by psych doctors and therapists?

I read the DSM-5 criteria for Borderline and they've made it SO complicated that people like me are going to fall through the cracks. I'm lucky that I got a name to what was going on with me. I get meds to help to stabilize my mood, which helps. But what really helps is finding an effective therapy for actually changing behavior and not using the label to exuse my poor behavior. DBT therapy is very interesting.


See? This is exactly the problem. People with really devastating neurological conditions get shoved into boxes that rarely fit real life cases and they can't get good treatment. It's just ridiculous.
 
2013-05-17 12:48:46 PM

rosy621: I've been dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder. Want to talk about being blown off by psych doctors and therapists?

I read the DSM-5 criteria for Borderline and they've made it SO complicated that people like me are going to fall through the cracks. I'm lucky that I got a name to what was going on with me. I get meds to help to stabilize my mood, which helps. But what really helps is finding an effective therapy for actually changing behavior and not using the label to exuse my poor behavior. DBT therapy is very interesting.


I'm a big fan of cognitive behavioral therapy (which includes DBT) and it really needs to be utilized more.

However, it's more expensive to insurance companies than a script for meds, so unless you have money it can be difficult to get funding.
 
2013-05-17 01:08:31 PM

rosy621: I've been dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder. Want to talk about being blown off by psych doctors and therapists?

I read the DSM-5 criteria for Borderline and they've made it SO complicated that people like me are going to fall through the cracks. I'm lucky that I got a name to what was going on with me. I get meds to help to stabilize my mood, which helps. But what really helps is finding an effective therapy for actually changing behavior and not using the label to exuse my poor behavior. DBT therapy is very interesting.


You know... I've had multiple psychiatrists tell me that if you're capable of even considering the possibility that you're borderline, you're not borderline. Have you gotten a second opinion? I'm totally serious here.
 
2013-05-17 01:28:07 PM
You know who else hates the psychological profession?
 
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