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(NPR)   Other than reactionary gun nuts stockpiling because the NRA instilled within them a fear of President Obama "restricting their guns," is there another reason the US has an ammunition shortage?   (npr.org) divider line 291
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2013-05-17 02:19:02 PM  
LadySusan:
If a rational "well-regulated" gun control issue is on my ballot I'll probably vote for it but I won't get my panties in a wad about the issue
yes..please more of this...someone who doesnt agree with the issue, and doesnt debase the opposition. It is pretty sad how quickly both sides resort to personal attacks based on limited information.

On the topic of hoarding....for as long as I have had guns, I've always bought ammunition in bulk.  I buy oil for my car in bulk. I buy mustard in bulk.  When an item has a long shelf life and it is to be known to be consumed at some point in time, it is good economic practice to buy the item in larger quantities.  So am I a mustard/oil/ammo hoarder?   In the wintertime I buy extra can goods so that if we get a big snow, I dont have to go to the store.  I dont understand why people have such issues with purchasing extra of what you use a lot of.
 
2013-05-17 02:30:36 PM  

squibbits: NEWS FLASH: RETAILERS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY.


Want to know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2013-05-17 02:32:36 PM  

gja: Funny How?.........


Funny like praying to George Carlin.

// not obscure in the least
 
2013-05-17 02:45:44 PM  

nw_inferno: orclover: GT has .22LR AMMO! 1 box of any ammo per person max.  .22lr ammo in 500 round box (brick) selling for...........$40 bucks.  Same price as the auction scalpers online.   Thats maybe 2 days of plinking.  Hooooleeeeeeshiat.


Im done, i'm farking done, farkit, I quit.  My kids too small to be doing skeet shooting with an 870 home defense shotgun and target shooting juts turned into a rich mans sport.  Ironically black powder is still affordable so we could go blow up trashcans if I didn't mind committing felony's and teaching him how to be an anarchist.

Hmmm leads still cheap.  Black powder is still cheap.   Anybody got a musket or old blackpowder sixshooter they wanna sell cheap?  No DL needed since its archaic.  EIP.

/TAO!
[assets.diylol.com image 510x340]

Black powder is lots of fun. If you want a decent revolver, I recommend a Remington 1858 replica (don't get the super cheap ones with a brass frame; brass trigger guard is fine though). They can be had for around $150 and since they are a reproduction of an archaic design, aren't considered firearms for most legal purposes. That means no FFL transfers and the like. I picked up a used one in slightly beat-up condition on a gun auction site a couple years ago for $125, shipped straight to my door. It looks like they are still available in this price range  http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12089414/black-powder/1858-remington-bl a ck-powder-revolver

I would recommend not shooting real black powder (although I'm sure dittybopper will protest loudly). It's highly corrosive and cruds up the works very fast. I use Hodgdon triple seven black powder substitute (FFF granulation for pistols). It's much cleaner. Price wise, expect to pay around $25 for a pounds of powder (which will last you hundreds of shots) and maybe $15 for 100 bullets/balls (unless you want to get into making them yourself). So for $200 or so, you get the gun and enough supplies for several hundred shots.
It's great fun to shoot. I've taught se ...


Thanks for the info, figured the kits were always for the matchlocks.  More interested in a six shooter.  Although the rumble of a flintlock does have a certain appeal.
 
2013-05-17 02:47:20 PM  

gunrunner: LadySusan:
If a rational "well-regulated" gun control issue is on my ballot I'll probably vote for it but I won't get my panties in a wad about the issue
yes..please more of this...someone who doesnt agree with the issue, and doesnt debase the opposition. It is pretty sad how quickly both sides resort to personal attacks based on limited information.

On the topic of hoarding....for as long as I have had guns, I've always bought ammunition in bulk.  I buy oil for my car in bulk. I buy mustard in bulk.  When an item has a long shelf life and it is to be known to be consumed at some point in time, it is good economic practice to buy the item in larger quantities.  So am I a mustard/oil/ammo hoarder?   In the wintertime I buy extra can goods so that if we get a big snow, I dont have to go to the store.  I dont understand why people have such issues with purchasing extra of what you use a lot of.


You might have quoted the wrong person. Buy as much of whatever you want, including ammo and guns. Fill your house, car, second house, second car, and storage unit. Buy so much that you create a black hole in your neighborhood with the mass. Knock yourself out with guns and ammo. Walk around covered in gun oil and black gunge. Enjoy.
 
2013-05-17 02:57:07 PM  
ZOMG! What in the world will the gov't do against you and your AR-15?

hellpapers.com
 
2013-05-17 03:00:45 PM  

LadySusan: gunrunner: LadySusan:

You might have quoted the wrong person. Buy as much of whatever you want, including ammo and guns. Fill your house, car, second house, second car, and storage unit. Buy so much that you create a black hole in your neighborhood with the mass. Knock yourself out with guns and ammo. Walk around covered in gun oil and black gunge. Enjoy.



sorry..the first quote was you, the second part was just a random musing
 
2013-05-17 03:03:29 PM  
Read the article and shouldn't this be an angry Economics theory thread vs an angry gun thread?
 
2013-05-17 03:06:00 PM  

gunrunner


On the topic of hoarding....for as long as I have had guns, I've always bought ammunition in bulk. I buy oil for my car in bulk. I buy mustard in bulk. When an item has a long shelf life and it is to be known to be consumed at some point in time, it is good economic practice to buy the item in larger quantities. So am I a mustard/oil/ammo hoarder? In the wintertime I buy extra can goods so that if we get a big snow, I dont have to go to the store. I dont understand why people have such issues with purchasing extra of what you use a lot of.


That's basically how I see it as well. I'm not going to post the results of my own inventory because it would probably look like zombie-prepper nonsense, but I always shop around for the brand and type of ammo I want*, and when it's available at a good price I stock up.

* Oddly enough, that precludes a lot of ammo that is packaged in bulk, especially the loose-pack lead .22LR.
 
2013-05-17 03:08:25 PM  
lol at fearful idiots driven by reptile brain regions
 
2013-05-17 03:09:36 PM  
HoustonNick


I hope you still feel that way when your local Police Dept runs out of ammo.
That's the first criminal gang I'd like to see disarmed.
 
2013-05-17 03:15:33 PM  

OnlyM3: HoustonNick


I hope you still feel that way when your local Police Dept runs out of ammo. That's the first criminal gang I'd like to see disarmed.


then you better have the resources to keep the other gangs in check
 
2013-05-17 03:18:04 PM  
I find it a curious exercise to watch the anti-gun folk still castigating the rest of us about how silly and outdated a concept like the 2nd Amendment is when gun owners rightfully point out that it exists to allow the people the ability to stand up to a government that overreaches it's bounds...at a time when the government is secretly collecting communication info on an organ of the press and using the IRS to quash political speech that the current administration disagrees with.

ALL governments eventually become despotic if left to exist long enough.  History is pretty clear on this.  The governments that aren't conquered from without eventually rot from within.  There are no historical exceptions to this.  As good as our form of government is, it WILL one day turn on us.  The only real issue is how fast and how much the population is willing to accept before they act.

It's not like all those countries that hosted the Arab Spring are somehow susceptible to this but the United States is magically immune.  I can happen here and has happened here twice in even our limited history.
 
2013-05-17 03:18:42 PM  

orclover: nw_inferno: orclover: GT has .22LR AMMO! 1 box of any ammo per person max.  .22lr ammo in 500 round box (brick) selling for...........$40 bucks.  Same price as the auction scalpers online.   Thats maybe 2 days of plinking.  Hooooleeeeeeshiat.


Im done, i'm farking done, farkit, I quit.  My kids too small to be doing skeet shooting with an 870 home defense shotgun and target shooting juts turned into a rich mans sport.  Ironically black powder is still affordable so we could go blow up trashcans if I didn't mind committing felony's and teaching him how to be an anarchist.

Hmmm leads still cheap.  Black powder is still cheap.   Anybody got a musket or old blackpowder sixshooter they wanna sell cheap?  No DL needed since its archaic.  EIP.

/TAO!
[assets.diylol.com image 510x340]

Black powder is lots of fun. If you want a decent revolver, I recommend a Remington 1858 replica (don't get the super cheap ones with a brass frame; brass trigger guard is fine though). They can be had for around $150 and since they are a reproduction of an archaic design, aren't considered firearms for most legal purposes. That means no FFL transfers and the like. I picked up a used one in slightly beat-up condition on a gun auction site a couple years ago for $125, shipped straight to my door. It looks like they are still available in this price range  http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12089414/black-powder/1858-remington-bl a ck-powder-revolver

I would recommend not shooting real black powder (although I'm sure dittybopper will protest loudly). It's highly corrosive and cruds up the works very fast. I use Hodgdon triple seven black powder substitute (FFF granulation for pistols). It's much cleaner. Price wise, expect to pay around $25 for a pounds of powder (which will last you hundreds of shots) and maybe $15 for 100 bullets/balls (unless you want to get into making them yourself). So for $200 or so, you get the gun and enough supplies for several hundred shots.
It's great fun to shoot. I' ...


The rifle kit I built was a percussion lock (.50 caliber Hawkins) but you're right, you can get flint and match ones too. The revolvers are percussion.
I forgot to mention that I prefer the Remington revolvers to the more famous Colts. The Remington design has a much stronger frame, is easier to disassemble for cleaning, and is usually cheaper than a comparable Colt. You can actually but replacement cylinders that are chambered for .45 long colt cartridges (but installing it in your pistol constitutes assembling a modern firearm... yadda yadda legal stuff). It usually takes about 2 minutes to reload a once you get the hang of it (all 6 shots, or 5 if you're gonna carry it in a holster).
Have fun.
 
2013-05-17 03:19:51 PM  

nw_inferno: I would recommend not shooting real black powder (although I'm sure dittybopper will protest loudly). It's highly corrosive and cruds up the works very fast. I use Hodgdon triple seven black powder substitute (FFF granulation for pistols). It's much cleaner. Price wise, expect to pay around $25 for a pounds of powder (which will last you hundreds of shots) and maybe $15 for 100 bullets/balls (unless you want to get into making them yourself). So for $200 or so, you get the gun and enough supplies for several hundred shots.


Actually, I second the recommendation for TripleSeven in revolvers.  It shoots much cleaner, and it's actually measurably more powerful than BP.

I shoot for-real, honest-to-God black powder because I have to, my gun being a flintlock.  Flintlocks don't work well with BP substitutes.  Percussion guns can use them, though.

Here is a little tip to get the most out of a cap and ball revolver in good shape.  *DON'T* do this with a brass framed, or a Colt-style, revolver.

For a .44 caliber gun, you can get Pyrodex pellets.  These you can carefully glue to the base of a 200 grain slug using Duco cement.  You then dribble a little bit of TripleSeven into the hole through the middle of the pellet in order to fill it, then cover it up with a little bit of toilet paper and glue to hold it in.  In essence, you're making caseless ammo, just with a separate primer (the percussion cap).

Here are the velocities/energy from a magazine article on the subject a few years ago:

Bullet             Charge                              Velocity             Energy
200gr             32g 3F Black Powder         821 fps            299 ft/lbs
200gr             32g TripleSeven             1,015 fps            450 ft/lbs
200gr             Pyrodex Pellet/3F T7      1,057 fps            496 ft/lbs

The first two are with loose powder, and the third is with 30 grain Pyrodex pellets glued to the base of the bullet with T7 dribbled into the hole and covered with a single layer of toilet paper to hold it in.

Like I said, *DON'T* do it in a brass framed revolver, and don't do it with a revolver that doesn't have a solid frame.
 
2013-05-17 03:20:56 PM  

Anayalator: ZOMG! What in the world will the gov't do against you and your AR-15?

[hellpapers.com image 710x399]


Wait:  I thought tanks and jets "weren't particularly useful against an insurgency"?  Or does that just apply to *FOREIGN* insurgencies?
 
2013-05-17 03:24:25 PM  

orclover: Although the rumble of a flintlock does have a certain appeal.


You know, when I was figuring out what kind of a gun I wanted my father to build for me, I thought about it, and went with a flintlock.  He recommended a percussion gun, but I'm glad I went flint.  There is a certain romance attached to shooting a flinch-lock that just isn't there with a persuction gun.

But that's just the road I've taken.  You don't have to follow it if  you don't want to.
 
2013-05-17 03:25:26 PM  

Lucky LaRue: HoustonNick: Don't forget that DHS purchased 1.6 Billion rounds.  Regardless of whether those purchases were or were not justified, the purchases did reduce the available ammunition supply.

I hope it was for the purpose of causing scarcity - that would be the best use of my tax dollars EVAR.


It's only a temporary shortage.  They'll manufacture more.  And we just gave the gun makers a shiat load of taxpayer money with which to lobby, buy votes, and bribe politicians.
 
2013-05-17 03:29:21 PM  

nw_inferno: The rifle kit I built was a percussion lock (.50 caliber Hawkins) but you're right, you can get flint and match ones too. The revolvers are percussion.
I forgot to mention that I prefer the Remington revolvers to the more famous Colts. The Remington design has a much stronger frame, is easier to disassemble for cleaning, and is usually cheaper than a comparable Colt. You can actually but replacement cylinders that are chambered for .45 long colt cartridges (but installing it in your pistol constitutes assembling a modern firearm... yadda yadda legal stuff). It usually takes about 2 minutes to reload a once you get the hang of it (all 6 shots, or 5 if you're gonna carry it in a holster).
Have fun.


One other advantage of the Remington style guns you didn't explicitly mention:  You can have spare loaded cylinders, meaning you can pop a fired cylinder out of the gun and pop in a pre-loaded cylinder almost as fast as you can change the magazines on a semi-auto (well, not *QUITE* that fast, but damn near).  Just drop the loading lever, pull the cylinder pin forward, rotate the old cylinder out, rotate in the new, push the cylinder pin back in, and bring the loading lever back up.
 
2013-05-17 03:32:04 PM  

DraconianTotalitarian: lol at fearful idiots driven by reptile brain regions


Don't be too harsh on them.  People who are fearful of guns mainly just don't understand how they work, what they can do, and what they *CAN'T* do.  Their fear of inert tools is due to ignorance, which isn't something we should make fun of, no matter how fun or easy it is.
 
2013-05-17 03:34:41 PM  
I almost went out a few months before the election and bought up a crap-load of ammo. I was reasonably confident that Obama would win, and I was sure that if he did the crazies would go bonkers again and I could sell it to them for double what I paid for it. I just wasn't quite sure enough on the election. Now I wish I had. I guarantee that if I had 100 bricks of .22 ammo I could get rid of them in under a week for way more than they are worth. Oh well, another missed opportunity.
 
2013-05-17 03:38:19 PM  

Dr Dreidel: JustGetItRight: Dr Dreidel: dittybopper: There is a fairly large subset of gun owners who just *LOVE* to "knife perceived traitors in the back", so a gun store that relies on repeat customers has to tread lightly for fear of being perceived as a traitor by a large number of their customers.

So you're admitting that gun owners, as a group, are reactionary nutbars?

So you're saying a lib that doesn't shop at Wal-Mart because they don't like the company's policies towards organized labor and international sweatshops are reactionary nutbars?

Based on a single data point - OMG they don't have the same opinion of guns that I do! - like the cited Eastern States Outdoor Show, where gun owners were pissed that the show wouldn't carry assault rifles even though they WOULD carry the same model Sig .40 they'd buy at Earl's Gun Show and Feed Lot the following week.

Rather than WalMart, who gets almost all of their products from sweatshop labor.

Not liking someone's politics is fine - as American as apfelstrudel - but taking it to the level the gun people dittybopper mentioned did takes you into "nutbar" territory. It can be both.

// a nuanced argument, to be sure
// and FTR, people that boycott WalMart are indeed "reactionaries"


I fail to see it as nutbar.  The business took a position the majority of the customer base found unacceptable so they took their business elsewhere.

The only difference between union/Wal-mart, LGBT/Chic-fil-a, or any other hot button issue where a  segment of the customer base gets enraged is that these customers were effective.  They closed down the business that offended them.  Ruger and Earl's feed and seed still got their money next week, the customers still got their weapons and ammo, and Eastern States Outdoor Show learned that pissing on your #1 demographic is really bad for business.
 
2013-05-17 03:40:31 PM  
I haven't really had a hard time finding 9x18 makarov rounds, so meh./Hungarian PA-63. First and only pistol. Fits my hand well, shoots like a dream.
 
2013-05-17 03:46:49 PM  

dittybopper: Anayalator: ZOMG! What in the world will the gov't do against you and your AR-15?

[hellpapers.com image 710x399]

Wait:  I thought tanks and jets "weren't particularly useful against an insurgency"?  Or does that just apply to *FOREIGN* insurgencies?


No, remember? The Obamaniac Al Qaedamoctrat libs are creating a police state to take your guns and send you to allah.
 
2013-05-17 03:50:57 PM  

dittybopper: DraconianTotalitarian: lol at fearful idiots driven by reptile brain regions

Don't be too harsh on them.  People who are fearful of guns mainly just don't understand how they work, what they can do, and what they *CAN'T* do.  Their fear of inert tools is due to ignorance, which isn't something we should make fun of, no matter how fun or easy it is.


That's one of the reason's I love taking people who've never handled a weapon out to the firing range. I actually have plans to take a lovely young lady to the range later this month. Have never seen someone who has learned how to safely operate a gun cower in fear of them (a gun by itself--in the hands of a criminal, I have no doubt it would rightfully scare them).

Even my ex-fiance, who was pretty rabidly anti-gun when I met her, admitted to me that shooting was a lot of fun and she understood a bit better why people care so much about them after I put a .22 in her hands at the range. She still didn't want to own a firearm herself, but no longer complained that I did.
 
2013-05-17 03:51:47 PM  

Loaded Six String: I haven't really had a hard time finding 9x18 makarov rounds, so meh./Hungarian PA-63. First and only pistol. Fits my hand well, shoots like a dream.


From the pictures I've seen of 'em, they're very nice...kind of like a more-ergonomic Walther PPK.  But rarer calibers like that can be annoying, once supplies dry up.
 
2013-05-17 03:59:34 PM  
Anayalator:No, remember? The Obamaniac Al Qaedamoctrat libs are creating a police state to take your guns and send you to allah.

i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-17 04:04:56 PM  

dittybopper: nw_inferno: The rifle kit I built was a percussion lock (.50 caliber Hawkins) but you're right, you can get flint and match ones too. The revolvers are percussion.
I forgot to mention that I prefer the Remington revolvers to the more famous Colts. The Remington design has a much stronger frame, is easier to disassemble for cleaning, and is usually cheaper than a comparable Colt. You can actually but replacement cylinders that are chambered for .45 long colt cartridges (but installing it in your pistol constitutes assembling a modern firearm... yadda yadda legal stuff). It usually takes about 2 minutes to reload a once you get the hang of it (all 6 shots, or 5 if you're gonna carry it in a holster).
Have fun.

One other advantage of the Remington style guns you didn't explicitly mention:  You can have spare loaded cylinders, meaning you can pop a fired cylinder out of the gun and pop in a pre-loaded cylinder almost as fast as you can change the magazines on a semi-auto (well, not *QUITE* that fast, but damn near).  Just drop the loading lever, pull the cylinder pin forward, rotate the old cylinder out, rotate in the new, push the cylinder pin back in, and bring the loading lever back up.


I've found that in practice, the cylinder pin tends to stick at the slightest whim and the cylinders like to jam if you don't pull them out just right. Plus, carrying around a fully loaded and capped cylinder seems like an accident waiting to happen (at best, the caps tend to fall off if you look at them wrong). I have heard of people using a bit of wax to seal the caps in place (i usually just pinch them a little out of round so they stick on the nipple better). I only have 1 cylinder but I tend to pull it out to clean and fill with powder and wad then throw back in the gun to ram in the ball.

Thanks for the custom load info, that's a pretty cool idea. What sort of bullet do you use with that setup?
 
2013-05-17 04:12:44 PM  

HoustonNick: vartian: HoustonNick: But they have purchased some of that 1.6 and it is a reduction of the available supply.  Its pure match:

In advance, with plenty of notice. So you are saying bullet manufactures are incompetent.

No, they were caught off guard by the increased demand caused by the gun ban efforts of Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Bloomber, et al, plus the increased chance of success as a result of the horror at Sandy Hook.  Admittedly, gun owners increased their ammo (and gun) purchases as a result, and the market was not prepared for either.

As indicated in one of my earlier posts - the purchases were by both Gov't and Private Citizens - and when all purchases increased, it reduced available supply.

FYI, its not like gun owners made up what Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Bloomberg, et al were doing, they were in fact trying to get new gun ban legislation passed.


The NRA, and some Republicans, HAVE been flat-out lying about guns and gun-related issues.
 
2013-05-17 04:13:59 PM  

nw_inferno: I've found that in practice, the cylinder pin tends to stick at the slightest whim and the cylinders like to jam if you don't pull them out just right. Plus, carrying around a fully loaded and capped cylinder seems like an accident waiting to happen (at best, the caps tend to fall off if you look at them wrong). I have heard of people using a bit of wax to seal the caps in place (i usually just pinch them a little out of round so they stick on the nipple better). I only have 1 cylinder but I tend to pull it out to clean and fill with powder and wad then throw back in the gun to ram in the ball.

Thanks for the custom load info, that's a pretty cool idea. What sort of bullet do you use with that setup?


I don't.  It's information that's drifted through my transom.  The article mentions Lee 200 grain REAL bullets, the mold for which you can get from Midway.

I will say, however, that I know someone who *HAS* fired those loads, and they do indeed work as advertised.
 
2013-05-17 04:19:02 PM  

orclover: nw_inferno: orclover: GT has .22LR AMMO! 1 box of any ammo per person max.  .22lr ammo in 500 round box (brick) selling for...........$40 bucks.  Same price as the auction scalpers online.   Thats maybe 2 days of plinking.  Hooooleeeeeeshiat.


Im done, i'm farking done, farkit, I quit.  My kids too small to be doing skeet shooting with an 870 home defense shotgun and target shooting juts turned into a rich mans sport.  Ironically black powder is still affordable so we could go blow up trashcans if I didn't mind committing felony's and teaching him how to be an anarchist.

Hmmm leads still cheap.  Black powder is still cheap.   Anybody got a musket or old blackpowder sixshooter they wanna sell cheap?  No DL needed since its archaic.  EIP.

/TAO!
[assets.diylol.com image 510x340]

Black powder is lots of fun. If you want a decent revolver, I recommend a Remington 1858 replica (don't get the super cheap ones with a brass frame; brass trigger guard is fine though). They can be had for around $150 and since they are a reproduction of an archaic design, aren't considered firearms for most legal purposes. That means no FFL transfers and the like. I picked up a used one in slightly beat-up condition on a gun auction site a couple years ago for $125, shipped straight to my door. It looks like they are still available in this price range  http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12089414/black-powder/1858-remington-bl a ck-powder-revolver

I would recommend not shooting real black powder (although I'm sure dittybopper will protest loudly). It's highly corrosive and cruds up the works very fast. I use Hodgdon triple seven black powder substitute (FFF granulation for pistols). It's much cleaner. Price wise, expect to pay around $25 for a pounds of powder (which will last you hundreds of shots) and maybe $15 for 100 bullets/balls (unless you want to get into making them yourself). So for $200 or so, you get the gun and enough supplies for several hundred shots.
It's great fun to shoot. I' ...


In New York you can own black powder handguns without a permit as they aren't considered firearms, but if you have black powder and lead they "magically" turn into firearms. So watch out, or the ATF will rape your dog.
 
2013-05-17 04:22:09 PM  

nw_inferno: I've found that in practice, the cylinder pin tends to stick at the slightest whim and the cylinders like to jam if you don't pull them out just right.


Grease the pin really, really good.  Then grease it a bit more.  Once you've done that, add a bit of grease to it.

Pulling out the cylinder and popping one in quickly is just a matter of muscle memory.  You've got to pop it in and rotate it along it's axis at the same time.
 
2013-05-17 04:22:27 PM  

part of the problem: Ammo IS getting more expensive, but this has a lot more to do with materials prices than anything else.

And leave it to the Liberals at NPR to find the idea of fairness inexplicable. This story told me far more about the author than about ammunition.


And leave it to a 'conservative' to miss the part of the article where NPR explained it, using a Nobel researcher no less.

/turn off the Fox, it's rotting your mind
 
2013-05-17 04:24:33 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: its funny I always see people get so zealous about gun owners and gun lobby. if you spent half as much time realizing the damage caused by legal gun owners is statistically tiny, and the 'disproportionate' lobby power is exactly the same as with every other group in the history of lobbying, you might be able to apply all your 15 minutes of faux rage at issues that actually seriously affect this country and the world like, oh, I don't know; the disproportionate power of the bank lobby, or the petroleum lobby, or the christian lobby, or the drug war lobby, or the anti woman's rights lobby, or the warmongers lobby, or any of dozens of other things advocated with a full intention of farking over everyone in the country and world for a quick buck.

where's your bleeding heart for people farked by banks?

where's your bleeding heart for people sick from fossil fuel poisons?

you harp on gun owners because its easy and you are lazy in your theatre at giving a shiat.


Don't you know that logic and reason have no place in a Fark Gun Thread?

// jib, newsletter, subscribe, etc.
 
2013-05-17 04:33:30 PM  

catusr: I have 40 9mm bullets in my ammo box.  For me, that is a five year supply.  I shoot off a single magazine (8 bullets) once a year.  I think that's good enough to stay familiar with the pistol.  I sure hope this ammo shortage is all over with by 2018, because I'll be wanting to buy a box of ammo by then.


No, it is not. Incidentally..  So.. you're going to drive to the range, pay the range fee, set up your target, shoot 8 rounds, then pack up and go home? Once a year?

As for the ammo shortage see: a) price of lead b) war purchasing c) unprecedented demand.
 
2013-05-17 04:33:32 PM  

dittybopper: nw_inferno: I've found that in practice, the cylinder pin tends to stick at the slightest whim and the cylinders like to jam if you don't pull them out just right.

Grease the pin really, really good.  Then grease it a bit more.  Once you've done that, add a bit of grease to it.

Pulling out the cylinder and popping one in quickly is just a matter of muscle memory.  You've got to pop it in and rotate it along it's axis at the same time.


I'll have to pick one of those molds up. I've been meaning to try casting my own bullets; the prepackaged ones (even the lead balls) are stupidly expensive for what they are. Most of the forums seem to think it shoots better with balls as opposed to bullets though.
You're right about popping the cylinder in and out but I swear, that damn pin... Stripped the pistol down and cleaned it (actually pulled the pin all the way out). Greased the pin and put it back in (without the cylinder). Slid it back and forth (like you would when removing the cylinder) and it jammed the third time. I've seen some people machine grooves into the pin with a dremel or something but that's seems like too much trouble, plus you'd have to reblue.
 
2013-05-17 04:37:44 PM  

stevetherobot: snocone: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.

There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.

It is an issue with the LAPD. Giving the village idiot a gun w/o adequate training and continuing proficiency practice needs to be criminalized.
A gun is a pinpoint weapon. Spraying rounds in the general direction of an assumed target is the sign of utter incompetency.

Ever heard of suppressing fire?


I sure hope someone has said this by now, but in {some large percentage} of civilian-involved gunfights (and, yes, Virginia, cops are civilians too), suppressing fire is not a valid tactic.
 
2013-05-17 04:40:23 PM  

nw_inferno: I've seen some people machine grooves into the pin with a dremel or something but that's seems like too much trouble, plus you'd have to reblue.


I too have seen that done, and it does make a difference.
 
2013-05-17 04:45:33 PM  

Anayalator: ZOMG! What in the world will the gov't do against you and your AR-15?

[hellpapers.com image 710x399]


After about three months, nothing, once farmers and truckers stop delivering food and gas to Army bases.

/there's more than one way to skin a tank
 
2013-05-17 04:46:17 PM  

Sgt.Zim: stevetherobot: snocone: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.

There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.

It is an issue with the LAPD. Giving the village idiot a gun w/o adequate training and continuing proficiency practice needs to be criminalized.
A gun is a pinpoint weapon. Spraying rounds in the general direction of an assumed target is the sign of utter incompetency.

Ever heard of suppressing fire?

I sure hope someone has said this by now, but in {some large percentage} of civilian-involved gunfights (and, yes, Virginia, cops are civilians too), suppressing fire is not a valid tactic.


When someone is trying to kill you, it sure as hell is.

/Especially if you're in the NY or LA  PD.
/Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, I suppose.
 
2013-05-17 04:47:10 PM  
Depends on what you shoot and where you are - I was in Tucson and found all sorts of ammo over the course of a week, but I visited 5 guns shops every day for a week basically.

Here in CO, it's a lot harder to find - I hear about shipments but never find any at the big stores like wally world and sport authority - they get it and the hoarders/speculators beat me to it since I don't live nearby.

My local gun shops have been good to me though - they know what I'm looking for and tend to put aside some for me when they get a shipment - that's the only way I'd have .22 to shoot these days.

Can't find .30-30 either for some strange reason, but pretty much every other real hunting round out there can be had.
 
2013-05-17 04:54:35 PM  

gunrunner: LadySusan: gunrunner: LadySusan:

You might have quoted the wrong person. Buy as much of whatever you want, including ammo and guns. Fill your house, car, second house, second car, and storage unit. Buy so much that you create a black hole in your neighborhood with the mass. Knock yourself out with guns and ammo. Walk around covered in gun oil and black gunge. Enjoy.


sorry..the first quote was you, the second part was just a random musing


okey doke. i see it now.
 
2013-05-17 04:56:37 PM  
I'm all stocked up on ammo from the last gun show around here, but there's another one this weekend......A buddy of mine wanted to borrow a pellet gun for hunting rabbits for his kid.   anybody have any recommendations on what to look for?  I never had a BB or pellet gun when I was little, just the real boomsticks now that I'm a grownup.

What brands/ammunition/propulsion system should I look for?  I not only want to get one for my friend's kid, but one for me to discourage possums and raccoon from eating my grapes and loquats.  But no lead pellets as my dog is apt to snack on corpses in the yard.

Difficulty:  California, in a suburban neighborhood.

/Freeway noise should cover most noises, though.
 
2013-05-17 04:57:14 PM  

dittybopper: orclover: dittybopper: Remington is expanding their ammo manufacturing at their plant in Arkansas, including the construction of a whole new building.

Yay! so I can jam up my guns even more!

No seriously they make the most crappy .22lr ammo I have ever seen in my life.

Personally, when I shot modern ammo, I preferred Federal Premium.  Oh, look, they're increasing capacity too:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST MAKE MORE AMMUNITION?Our facilities operate 24-hours a day. We are continually making process improvements to increase our efficiency and investing in capital and personnel where we have sustained demand. We are bringing additional capacity online again this year.


Big match coming up next weekend. I plan to shoot around 400 rounds of .44/40 (black powder cartridges), 100 BP shotshells, ~75 .45 ACP and .45 Colt smokeless, another 50 smokeless shotshells, over three days...

Damn good thing I reload. Of course, primers and component bullets are nearly as scarce as loaded ammo right now.
 
2013-05-17 05:04:40 PM  

Bonzo_1116: I'm all stocked up on ammo from the last gun show around here, but there's another one this weekend......A buddy of mine wanted to borrow a pellet gun for hunting rabbits for his kid.   anybody have any recommendations on what to look for?  I never had a BB or pellet gun when I was little, just the real boomsticks now that I'm a grownup.

What brands/ammunition/propulsion system should I look for?  I not only want to get one for my friend's kid, but one for me to discourage possums and raccoon from eating my grapes and loquats.  But no lead pellets as my dog is apt to snack on corpses in the yard.

Difficulty:  California, in a suburban neighborhood.

/Freeway noise should cover most noises, though.


Spring piston powerplant (as long as the kid is strong enough to repeatedly cock the mainspring) so he never needs to worry about buying CO2 or high pressure air. A .22 caliber pellet gun will do a much better job for small game hunting than a .177. There is an excellent airgun blog written by Tom Gaylord (would link, but it's affiliated with a commercial airgun shop) that has a ton of helpful info. He also writes an airguns column for Shotgun News. I'm a big fan of RWS (Diana) airguns, but they tend to be pricy as they're German made. The newer Benjamin Sheridan and Crossman precharged pneumatics are supposed to be fantastic, but I've not handled one myself.
 
2013-05-17 05:11:49 PM  
new_york_monty:
Spring piston powerplant (as long as the kid is strong enough to repeatedly cock the mainspring) so he never needs to worry about buying CO2 or high pressure air. A .22 caliber pellet gun will do a much better job for small game hunting than a .177. There is an excellent airgun blog written by Tom Gaylord (would link, but it's affiliated with a commercial airgun shop) that has a ton of helpful info. He also writes an airguns column for Shotgun News. I'm a big fan of RWS (Diana) airguns, but they tend to be pricy as they're German made. The newer Benjamin Sheridan and Crossman precharged pneumatics are supposed to be fantastic, but I've not handled one myself.

ooooOOOoooo.  They're big hippies, so they'll love the DIY of that.

Hippies that want kill their meat, the best kind of hippies.  Do they make that kind of thing in rifle style?

/and so green, no CO2 cartridges.  LOL
//I like the idea because I'm cheap, and will take pumping for free any day over paying for CO2 cartridges.
 
2013-05-17 05:24:00 PM  

dittybopper: nw_inferno: I've seen some people machine grooves into the pin with a dremel or something but that's seems like too much trouble, plus you'd have to reblue.

I too have seen that done, and it does make a difference.


After that, put a little *more* grease on the pin...

Something I do during matches (again, cartridges, but it's a throwback to the cap 'n ball days) is smear a wad of grease over each of the chamber mouths (if you're using real black; no need with the subs). The added lube helps keep the fouling soft, plus it *might* help prevent chain-fires.
 
2013-05-17 05:57:37 PM  
As someone who has stocked up on ammunition in the past 5 months (but not outrageous, prepper amounts) I can give you my simple take on things.

There are more than a few of us out here that know our economy is screwed because we will eventually run out of other people's money to spend.  When that time comes, the food stamps and other welfare checks are going to stop coming to the people who have been too lazy or otherwise unable to take care of themselves.  "Zombie Apocalypse" is nothing more than a metaphor that translates into millions of Americans wandering around looking for food.  When the looting and pillaging starts to become a problem I plan on being able to defend against others who try to steal from me, nothing more than that.
 
2013-05-17 05:59:40 PM  
Satanic_Hamster:
You know, this is one of the reasons why I haven't gotten a concealed carry permit in Texas yet (moved down here two years ago).

Texas has two levels of concealed carry permit; small cal and "everything."  If you qualify for everything you can carry, well, anything.  The only "large" pistol I own is a 9mm and due to idiots it's not worth going to the range to get ready to take a concealed carry class/test.


The only thing you have right is that there are two kinds of CHL permits here, but everything else you said is complete nonsense.

You can qualify with a revolver, and you will only be licensed to carry a revolver.
You can qualify with a semi-auto, and you will be licensed to carry any pistol.
Either way, you can't qualify with anything less than a .32.
 
2013-05-17 06:04:42 PM  

BubbaWilkins: The only thing you have right is that there are two kinds of CHL permits here, but everything else you said is complete nonsense.

You can qualify with a revolver, and you will only be licensed to carry a revolver.
You can qualify with a semi-auto, and you will be licensed to carry any pistol.
Either way, you can't qualify with anything less than a .32.


And yet, all the Texas gun nuts I know have explained it otherwise.

Like I said, I haven't bothered / cared enough yet to sign up for the classes yet myself.
 
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