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(NPR)   Other than reactionary gun nuts stockpiling because the NRA instilled within them a fear of President Obama "restricting their guns," is there another reason the US has an ammunition shortage?   (npr.org) divider line 291
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2013-05-17 11:39:27 AM  

Frank N Stein: For the hell of it here's my meager inventory

200 rds - 30-06
20 rds - 9mm
20 rds - .44 mag

fark today's prices. They're already slowly climbing down. I'll wait a bit before shooting again.



Yeah, for me:
200 rds 30-06 (120 needs to be reloaded)
150 rds 6mm rem(100 needs to be reloaded)
500 rds 204R (all loaded)
500 rds 20vt (all loaded)
1600 rds .22lr

Pretty good in that regard, but I reload everthing (but the .22 obviosly) and I am getting pretty low on powder.
 
2013-05-17 11:41:00 AM  
Well if the GOP gets the senate and holds on to the house in '14 the panic buying should back off.

If the DNCCCP gains control of the house and holds the senate the panic buying will go even more full retard till '16 or later
 
2013-05-17 11:41:40 AM  
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2013-05-17 11:42:51 AM  
There are enough thoughtful and well reasoned arguments in here to make me wonder if this, in fact, Fark.  Well done.

/good arguments lose validity when name calling and whining get thrown in
//sadly I suspect if I stop by again later it will have all gone to hell
 
2013-05-17 11:45:55 AM  

floggingworks: There are enough thoughtful and well reasoned arguments in here to make me wonder if this, in fact, Fark.  Well done.

/good arguments lose validity when name calling and whining get thrown in
//sadly I suspect if I stop by again later it will have all gone to hell


Shut up asshole. Your type is what's wrong with this country


/ :)
 
gja
2013-05-17 11:46:34 AM  

Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 179x281]


Perfect. What's next? Markley's law infraction? I guess your ability to constructively engage in this discussion is nil.
 
2013-05-17 11:48:44 AM  
Trying to use a witty headline while denying what the DHS has clearly done, is ignorant at best. Buying up over 1.6 billion rounds of 'Hollow Point' bullets and calling it 'for practice and target shooting for our nations security' is only something people that are uneducated about firearms, would believe. You aren't even allowed to fire hollow points at the vast majority of practice ranges in this country. You have to use full metal jacket. Hollow points expand up to cause more internal damage which if used at a range, you're just going to destroy the backstop of the firing range. Full metal jackets just go right through and the lead is later collected easily as opposed to fragments of a hollow point. With all that 1st grade Common Sense info said.. There is no reason for DHS to have purchased that many hollow points... Ever..
 
2013-05-17 11:51:02 AM  

dittybopper: orclover: I have always wanted to fire black powder (I mean other than home made "firecrackers").  Yer doin it right son.

I was born with a flintlock in my hand:

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That must've been painful for your mother.
 
2013-05-17 11:52:34 AM  

russsssman: Trying to use a witty headline while denying what the DHS has clearly done, is ignorant at best. Buying up over 1.6 billion rounds of 'Hollow Point' bullets and calling it 'for practice and target shooting for our nations security' is only something people that are uneducated about firearms, would believe. You aren't even allowed to fire hollow points at the vast majority of practice ranges in this country. You have to use full metal jacket. Hollow points expand up to cause more internal damage which if used at a range, you're just going to destroy the backstop of the firing range. Full metal jackets just go right through and the lead is later collected easily as opposed to fragments of a hollow point. With all that 1st grade Common Sense info said.. There is no reason for DHS to have purchased that many hollow points... Ever..


It should also be pointed out that many will say "well there's a military branch that falls under the Dhs (coast guard) so that could account for a lot of the ammo". But the coast guard doesn't use hollow points (expanding bullets violate the hague convention)
 
2013-05-17 11:53:32 AM  

gja: Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 179x281]

Perfect. What's next? Markley's law infraction? I guess your ability to constructively engage in this discussion is nil.


That *IS* a Markley's Law infraction:  It equates firearms with a penis.
 
gja
2013-05-17 11:53:54 AM  

Douggernaut: dittybopper: orclover: I have always wanted to fire black powder (I mean other than home made "firecrackers").  Yer doin it right son.

I was born with a flintlock in my hand:

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That must've been painful for your mother.


Maybe a breech birth, too.

Perhaps he came barreling out?

I wonder what was on the live birth report?

/Ok, enough w/the guns terminology
 
2013-05-17 11:58:21 AM  
It's weird that people think Obama is coming after their guns when Obama has said time and again he is coming after their guns.

Stupid mouth breathers, amirite?
 
2013-05-17 11:59:46 AM  

GORDON: It's weird that people think Obama is coming after their guns when Obama has said time and again he is coming after their guns.

Stupid mouth breathers, amirite?


But he's not coming for all the guns, just certain types! So it doesn't count.

You still get to keep your Biden approved coach gun!
 
2013-05-17 12:01:38 PM  

gja: Dr. Goldshnoz: its funny I always see people get so zealous about gun owners and gun lobby. if you spent half as much time realizing the damage caused by legal gun owners is statistically tiny, and the 'disproportionate' lobby power is exactly the same as with every other group in the history of lobbying, you might be able to apply all your 15 minutes of faux rage at issues that actually seriously affect this country and the world like, oh, I don't know; the disproportionate power of the bank lobby, or the petroleum lobby, or the christian lobby, or the drug war lobby, or the anti woman's rights lobby, or the warmongers lobby, or any of dozens of other things advocated with a full intention of farking over everyone in the country and world for a quick buck.

where's your bleeding heart for people farked by banks?

where's your bleeding heart for people sick from fossil fuel poisons?

you harp on gun owners because its easy and you are lazy in your theatre at giving a shiat.

I almost wish you weren't already a TF'er so I could gift you some.


Yep. This. As a libby lib liberson I've decided that I (generally in the scheme of things) don't much care about guns or gun control. The data show that gun ownership is down (although some folks own LOTS of guns), crime is down, gun suicides are the biggest cause of gun death, and mass shootings are down (I was surprised). The data also don't point to any clear evidence that much can be done to cure some of the problems with gun deaths (except for suicide) with most sorts of gun regulations.

If a rational "well-regulated" gun control issue is on my ballot I'll probably vote for it but I won't get my panties in a wad about the issue.

I wish more effort would be made to attempt to reduce the number of gun suicides (and men's rights guys...here's an issue to take on...it impacts men more than women) and would also vote for funding and efforts to reduce this.

Well, maybe a big scarlet "dumbass" tattoo on the forehead for those who survive "dumbass" gun accidents. If you shoot your friend in the face while hunting...or shoot yourself in the leg getting in the car are good examples of dumbassery.
 
2013-05-17 12:02:31 PM  

JustGetItRight: Dr Dreidel: dittybopper: There is a fairly large subset of gun owners who just *LOVE* to "knife perceived traitors in the back", so a gun store that relies on repeat customers has to tread lightly for fear of being perceived as a traitor by a large number of their customers.

So you're admitting that gun owners, as a group, are reactionary nutbars?

So you're saying a lib that doesn't shop at Wal-Mart because they don't like the company's policies towards organized labor and international sweatshops are reactionary nutbars?


Based on a single data point - OMG they don't have the same opinion of guns that I do! - like the cited Eastern States Outdoor Show, where gun owners were pissed that the show wouldn't carry assault rifles even though they WOULD carry the same model Sig .40 they'd buy at Earl's Gun Show and Feed Lot the following week.

Rather than WalMart, who gets almost all of their products from sweatshop labor.

Not liking someone's politics is fine - as American as apfelstrudel - but taking it to the level the gun people dittybopper mentioned did takes you into "nutbar" territory. It can be both.

// a nuanced argument, to be sure
// and FTR, people that boycott WalMart are indeed "reactionaries"
 
2013-05-17 12:02:43 PM  

Douggernaut: dittybopper: orclover: I have always wanted to fire black powder (I mean other than home made "firecrackers").  Yer doin it right son.

I was born with a flintlock in my hand:

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That must've been painful for your mother.


Do you know how hard it is to keep your powder dry in utero?
 
2013-05-17 12:04:39 PM  
That's what happens when you live in perpetual fear.
 
2013-05-17 12:04:45 PM  
While no fan of Obama the bullet shortage actually started back when GW decided to waltz into Iraq.
 
2013-05-17 12:04:48 PM  
Actually there was a slew of articles about the ammo shortage three weeks ago.  The conclusion was the half a billion rounds (and counting) the government has purchased (DHS in this case) has put major upward price pressure on ammunition.  Some gov't sources said that was the government's intention - to drive up prices.  This makes sense if your intention is to curb gun use and can't get your legislation past your own party in the senate (to say nothing of the fact the house gave it a 0% chance of passing).

I wouldn't blame it on private person stockpiles.  Like the MBS market of today, it's a government bubble (fed's QE3) and the natural economic result is that when the buying stops the prices will come down, and probably dramatically.

I'm sure the articles are still out there - I did find this article leaning to the left.
 
2013-05-17 12:09:13 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Not liking someone's politics is fine - as American as apfelstrudel - but taking it to the level the gun people dittybopper mentioned did takes you into "nutbar" territory. It can be both.


I don't think that's nutbar territory.  It's not paranoia if there really are elements out there that would *LOVE* nothing more to reduce gun ownership in the US to something similar to what it is in the UK.

And based upon his record prior to being elected president, Barack Obama is one of them (He was fine with an unconstitutional ban on handguns, for example).
 
2013-05-17 12:10:45 PM  

stuffy: While no fan of Obama the bullet shortage actually started back when GW decided to waltz into Iraq.


No, it didn't.
 
2013-05-17 12:10:54 PM  

madgonad: It is all panic buying. It has even trickled into .22lr because now that shooting regular cartridges has gotten so expensive people have been using their .22 at the range a lot more. That lead to 'better buy every box of .22....' mindset and cleared the shelves of that puny cartridge.

However, in normal capitalism if the market really did expand that much there would be massive new investment in ammunition production. Businesses would be scrambling to get loans to build or expand new plants to capitalize on that demand. That didn't happen. Some plants extended shifts to increase production, but that isn't an investment. Nobody is investing more money to meet this demand.

Why?

Because it isn't a real demand. When there is a white president again the panic will stop and prices will plummet. Anyone that took out big loans to expand production based upon high prices of ammo is going to go bankrupt when their sales dwindle. So the businesses are being smart. They are reaping a big pay day now, but because this is not the normal demand of the market - they anticipate that it will end.


^^^ More proof Clinton was the first black president^^^
 
2013-05-17 12:14:03 PM  

puppetmaster745: madgonad: It is all panic buying. It has even trickled into .22lr because now that shooting regular cartridges has gotten so expensive people have been using their .22 at the range a lot more. That lead to 'better buy every box of .22....' mindset and cleared the shelves of that puny cartridge.

However, in normal capitalism if the market really did expand that much there would be massive new investment in ammunition production. Businesses would be scrambling to get loans to build or expand new plants to capitalize on that demand. That didn't happen. Some plants extended shifts to increase production, but that isn't an investment. Nobody is investing more money to meet this demand.

Why?

Because it isn't a real demand. When there is a white president again the panic will stop and prices will plummet. Anyone that took out big loans to expand production based upon high prices of ammo is going to go bankrupt when their sales dwindle. So the businesses are being smart. They are reaping a big pay day now, but because this is not the normal demand of the market - they anticipate that it will end.

^^^ More proof Clinton was the first black president^^^


Thanks Obama.
 
2013-05-17 12:17:58 PM  
I read on the internet that the US government is also stockpiling ammo.
 
2013-05-17 12:19:37 PM  

orclover: GT has .22LR AMMO! 1 box of any ammo per person max.  .22lr ammo in 500 round box (brick) selling for...........$40 bucks.  Same price as the auction scalpers online.   Thats maybe 2 days of plinking.  Hooooleeeeeeshiat.


Im done, i'm farking done, farkit, I quit.  My kids too small to be doing skeet shooting with an 870 home defense shotgun and target shooting juts turned into a rich mans sport.  Ironically black powder is still affordable so we could go blow up trashcans if I didn't mind committing felony's and teaching him how to be an anarchist.

Hmmm leads still cheap.  Black powder is still cheap.   Anybody got a musket or old blackpowder sixshooter they wanna sell cheap?  No DL needed since its archaic.  EIP.

/TAO!
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Black powder is lots of fun. If you want a decent revolver, I recommend a Remington 1858 replica (don't get the super cheap ones with a brass frame; brass trigger guard is fine though). They can be had for around $150 and since they are a reproduction of an archaic design, aren't considered firearms for most legal purposes. That means no FFL transfers and the like. I picked up a used one in slightly beat-up condition on a gun auction site a couple years ago for $125, shipped straight to my door. It looks like they are still available in this price range  http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12089414/black-powder/1858-remington-bl a ck-powder-revolver

I would recommend not shooting real black powder (although I'm sure dittybopper will protest loudly). It's highly corrosive and cruds up the works very fast. I use Hodgdon triple seven black powder substitute (FFF granulation for pistols). It's much cleaner. Price wise, expect to pay around $25 for a pounds of powder (which will last you hundreds of shots) and maybe $15 for 100 bullets/balls (unless you want to get into making them yourself). So for $200 or so, you get the gun and enough supplies for several hundred shots.
It's great fun to shoot. I've taught several of my younger cousins with it. It's big and heavy so it's quite accurate with relatively low recoil and makes satisfying clouds of smoke when fired.

Black powder rifles can be had for a similar price or try buying a kit that you finish and assemble yourself if you're into that sort of thing. Dad got me one for Christmas last year and I entertained myself all winter building it.
 
2013-05-17 12:23:13 PM  
Because of the shortage of ammo the NRA is now promoting the  'don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes' campaign..
\\I didn't read this on the internet
 
2013-05-17 12:35:43 PM  

SmithHiller: Because of the shortage of ammo the NRA is now promoting the 'don't shoot until you see the white of their eyes' campaign..
\\I didn't read this on the internet


Ol' Hickory agrees.

And those alligators better watch their ass.
 
2013-05-17 12:37:05 PM  

Frank N Stein: floggingworks: There are enough thoughtful and well reasoned arguments in here to make me wonder if this, in fact, Fark.  Well done.

/good arguments lose validity when name calling and whining get thrown in
//sadly I suspect if I stop by again later it will have all gone to hell

Shut up asshole. Your type is what's wrong with this country


/ :)


Came back for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-05-17 12:40:16 PM  

Fark It: Hopefully all of the casuals who thought "now might be a good time before it's too late" to get that first rifle and stretched their budgets accordingly will sell off in a couple of years. It's not like anybody who panic-bought is able to get nearly enough ammunition for range-time anyway.


I hope they learn to be responsible gun owners who enjoy shooting, and pass it on to their friends and family in a positive way (NOT on the tip of a bullet).
 
2013-05-17 12:42:18 PM  

dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: Not liking someone's politics is fine - as American as apfelstrudel - but taking it to the level the gun people dittybopper mentioned did takes you into "nutbar" territory. It can be both.

I don't think that's nutbar territory.


And I do, hence my OP and the subsequent posts affirming my belief. The cool thing is, neither of us is passionate enough about those positions to get all ragey about it.

Everyone could do with a bit of moderation and modulation of their gun opinions, and I get the sense that you thought at least one of those reactions was a bit overboard.

// I don't agree with Obama on gun control, FWIW
 
2013-05-17 12:48:30 PM  

HeadLever: Frank N Stein: For the hell of it here's my meager inventory

200 rds - 30-06
20 rds - 9mm
20 rds - .44 mag

fark today's prices. They're already slowly climbing down. I'll wait a bit before shooting again.


Yeah, for me:
200 rds 30-06 (120 needs to be reloaded)
150 rds 6mm rem(100 needs to be reloaded)
500 rds 204R (all loaded)
500 rds 20vt (all loaded)
1600 rds .22lr

Pretty good in that regard, but I reload everthing (but the .22 obviosly) and I am getting pretty low on powder.


Ive got

About 400 rounds of 7.62x39(very low for something you can burn through that easy)
About 1krounds 7.62x54R
about 1k rounds of 8x57 mauser
About 800 rounds of .45 acp
about 600 rounds of .45 Long colt
about 350 rounds of .454 casull
About 50 rounds of .357 magnum
About 400 rounds of .38 special
about 100 rounds of .32 acp
About 125 rounds of .22 lr(very low as much thosecan burn through )
About 250 rounds of 12 ga
about 100 rounda of 20 ga
About 400 rounds of 9x19

I stocked up back when Schrub was POTUS in anticipation of people panic buying after a dem got in.
 
2013-05-17 12:52:58 PM  

HoustonNick: dr_blasto:

The simplest answer is that because the natural production cycles slow down in winter, bad shiat happens in December and nutters panic and buy ammunition to stockpile in case of new restrictions causes shelves to be bare. This leads to other nutters noting the bare shelves and when they do see ammunition, they buy ALL of it. Other nutters notice it's become even harder to find ammo, so they buy palletloads. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The government isn't buying .22LR; why can't you find that?

Lots of biased (e.g. "nutters") assumptions there.

Does liking to target practice and shoot competively make you a Nutter?
What if you are a Liberal who likes to shoot, is the Liberal a  Nutter?
Are the Olympic Athletes who shoot Nutters?

I not sure why you can't find .22LR but from what I saw at the range, a lot of shooters switched to their .22s to reduce the cost (FYI, some articles have falsely stated that ammunition costs didn't increase.  Point in fact they did but generally in the 10-20% per box range.).  I know I started shooting my .22 more, but than all of a sudden I could find 9mm ammo everywhere, but no .22 ammo, so I switched back.

The other anomaly is that everyone, everywhere has shotgun shells - another product the Gov't isn't buying.


I'll tell you why you can't find .22lr, .223 and 9mm... ignorant morons who eat shiat like Glen Beck up stockpiling is number 1. Number 2 are speculators who carry around their stock in baby strollers selling it for 10x what they paid. Number 3 are schlubs like me who just want to go to the range to shoot. We can't because of Numbers 1 and 2.

Supply really is not the issue. It's that the hoarders and the speculators are buying it all before the rest of us can. And small gun shops are part of the problem because many are cashing in on the bullshiat "panic". The DHS thing was bullshiat spewed out by the right wing peusdo-media and, of course, many bought it hook, line and sinker. As somebody noted, it's way more nuanced than that. And please remember the great number of agencies under the DHS banner.

Let me tell you, all I want to do is to go out and blow some ammo at the range, .22lr mainly. I have two guns in .22 that are way fun to shoot. My daughter's Crickett (yes, that evil Crickett and no, it's not pink) is also  .22lr. But because of the morons in this country, I have to be careful with what I shoot.

I am convinced that the dumbest assholes out there are members of the American "gun culture".
 
2013-05-17 12:54:57 PM  

HeadLever: Frank N Stein: For the hell of it here's my meager inventory

200 rds - 30-06
20 rds - 9mm
20 rds - .44 mag

fark today's prices. They're already slowly climbing down. I'll wait a bit before shooting again.


Yeah, for me:
200 rds 30-06 (120 needs to be reloaded)
150 rds 6mm rem(100 needs to be reloaded)
500 rds 204R (all loaded)
500 rds 20vt (all loaded)
1600 rds .22lr

Pretty good in that regard, but I reload everthing (but the .22 obviosly) and I am getting pretty low on powder.


Some of the enthusiasts that I know believe in keeping 1000 rds per gun.
 
2013-05-17 01:02:20 PM  

orclover: smitton: orclover.....how do you reload 22 shells....never heard of such a thing

No farking clue.  How bad is it that it would even be close to considered cost effective?


It's possible, but highly inadvisable.  It isn't likely cost effective for .22 LR, but for .22 WMR, 5mm, and similar it possibly is.  Those tend to cost closer to what 9mm rounds do.

I haven't tried any of the below, but I have researched it before as a matter of curiosity.

The first issue is that you need to swage them or use some other method to re-form the rim.  Without doing this the round may work, but only if the firing pin strikes a 'fresh' part of the rim, so this is more a reliability issue than anything.

The bigger issue is re-priming.  It requires having a priming compound, which tend to be highly explosive.  Half a teaspoon can probably do a thousand rounds, but it can also kill you just for lucking at it funny.  You have to work with it wet and coat the bottom of the case by spinning it in a drill or something similar, then let it dry.

After that, powder, but that's trivial, and many common powders are fine.

Finally you have to find a bullet that will work properly.  For a .22 WMR I understand you can use some commercially available bullets, but there isn't really anything out there for .22 LR.  You'll probably have to invest a couple hundred in a casting furnace, custom molds and the usual casting accessories.

You can refit a .25ACP shell holder and dies to do the seating and crimping.

Not worth it, really.
 
2013-05-17 01:04:08 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Some of the enthusiasts that I know believe in keeping 1000 rds per gun.


True, but when you reload, you are not limited by the brass cases you have (you can generally get between 5 and 20 reloads out of them depending upon how you do things), but by the components (primers, powder and bullets) you have stocked up. In that regard, I have enough for about 1000 additional for each caliber, except where I have no powder for the 20vt.  I seriously need to get my hands on some H4198 or Reloader7.
 
2013-05-17 01:07:45 PM  

trotsky: I'll tell you why you can't find .22lr, .223 and 9mm... ignorant morons who eat shiat like Glen Beck up stockpiling is number 1. Number 2 are speculators who carry around their stock in baby strollers selling it for 10x what they paid. Number 3 are schlubs like me who just want to go to the range to shoot. We can't because of Numbers 1 and 2.

Supply really is not the issue. It's that the hoarders and the speculators are buying it all before the rest of us can. And small gun shops are part of the problem because many are cashing in on the bullshiat "panic". The DHS thing was bullshiat spewed out by the right wing peusdo-media and, of course, many bought it hook, line and sinker. As somebody noted, it's way more nuanced than that. And please remember the great number of agencies under the DHS banner.

Let me tell you, all I want to do is to go out and blow some ammo at the range, .22lr mainly. I have two guns in .22 that are way fun to shoot. My daughter's Crickett (yes, that evil Crickett and no, it's not pink) is also .22lr. But because of the morons in this country, I have to be careful with what I shoot.

I am convinced that the dumbest assholes out there are members of the American "gun culture".


You know, this is one of the reasons why I haven't gotten a concealed carry permit in Texas yet (moved down here two years ago).

Texas has two levels of concealed carry permit; small cal and "everything."  If you qualify for everything you can carry, well, anything.  The only "large" pistol I own is a 9mm and due to idiots it's not worth going to the range to get ready to take a concealed carry class/test.
 
2013-05-17 01:08:12 PM  

catusr: I have 40 9mm bullets in my ammo box.  For me, that is a five year supply.  I shoot off a single magazine (8 bullets) once a year.  I think that's good enough to stay familiar with the pistol.  I sure hope this ammo shortage is all over with by 2018, because I'll be wanting to buy a box of ammo by then.


What's your address?
 
2013-05-17 01:09:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: And I do, hence my OP and the subsequent posts affirming my belief. The cool thing is, neither of us is passionate enough about those positions to get all ragey about it.


I don't get ragey.

That doesn't mean I don't have a deeply held opinion on the subject.
 
2013-05-17 01:16:53 PM  

Draskuul: Not worth it, really.


exactly.  It can be done, but will likely cost you more than reloading centerfires and take a pile more time.  Plus, you have to deal with the priming compound which is nasty stuff.  Bullets are not standard and I don't think are sold to the public, which means a lead pot and mold to cast your own.

Lots of work for somthing that can be purchased (typically) for 4 to 5 cents each.  Now, when you get into centerfire calibers, that is a different story altogether as factory ammo can range in price from .20 cents (for milliary bulk) up to a buck or two each for high quality hunting loads.  You can generally reload cheaper and more accurate ammunition than you can get from the factory.
 
2013-05-17 01:19:45 PM  
Thanks for the TF for a month random, anonymous Fark person!! Fun!
 
2013-05-17 01:23:25 PM  

dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: And I do, hence my OP and the subsequent posts affirming my belief. The cool thing is, neither of us is passionate enough about those positions to get all ragey about it.

I don't get ragey.

That doesn't mean I don't have a deeply held opinion on the subject.


Your deeply-held opinion doesn't preclude level-headed discussion. I know we've tangled on this topic, and I know how deep your views are, but I also get the sense that you're not above looking dispassionately at your own opinion.

We can disagree politely - I'm down with that.
 
2013-05-17 01:30:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: trotsky:
Texas has two levels of concealed carry permit; small cal and "everything."  If you qualify for everything you can carry, well, anything.  The only "large" pistol I own is a 9mm and due to idiots it's not worth going to the range to get ready to take a concealed carry class/test.


That's not a large pistol.

THIS is a large pistol.

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(Magnum Research BFR in .45-70.  Not mine, was a special order for a customer)
//sorry for the crappy pic...
 
2013-05-17 01:35:32 PM  

Skyd1v: That's not a large pistol.

THIS is a large pistol.


Hence the "large."
 
2013-05-17 01:36:09 PM  
Huh. I have no problem buying my 6.5x55 ammo for my Mauser.
 
2013-05-17 01:41:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: And I do, hence my OP and the subsequent posts affirming my belief. The cool thing is, neither of us is passionate enough about those positions to get all ragey about it.

I don't get ragey.

That doesn't mean I don't have a deeply held opinion on the subject.

Your deeply-held opinion doesn't preclude level-headed discussion. I know we've tangled on this topic, and I know how deep your views are, but I also get the sense that you're not above looking dispassionately at your own opinion.

We can disagree politely - I'm down with that.


I'm funny that way.
 
2013-05-17 01:45:35 PM  
One can never have enough ammo on hand. I am at a comfortable level, waiting for the prices to bottom out  (supply and demand, it is coming) then restock large.

If you look at the historical pricing of all ammo, it gets nothing but more expensive over time. Especially when Democrats are in office.
 
2013-05-17 01:49:41 PM  
Good.  Make those prices as high as possible.
 
2013-05-17 01:50:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Skyd1v: That's not a large pistol.

THIS is a large pistol.

Hence the "large."


Hey, it was the first time in a long while I got to paraphrase "Crocodile Dundee".  Can you blame me?
 
gja
2013-05-17 02:06:11 PM  

dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: And I do, hence my OP and the subsequent posts affirming my belief. The cool thing is, neither of us is passionate enough about those positions to get all ragey about it.

I don't get ragey.

That doesn't mean I don't have a deeply held opinion on the subject.

Your deeply-held opinion doesn't preclude level-headed discussion. I know we've tangled on this topic, and I know how deep your views are, but I also get the sense that you're not above looking dispassionately at your own opinion.

We can disagree politely - I'm down with that.

I'm funny that way.


Funny How?.........
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2013-05-17 02:17:03 PM  
NEWS FLASH: RETAILERS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
 
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