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(NPR)   Other than reactionary gun nuts stockpiling because the NRA instilled within them a fear of President Obama "restricting their guns," is there another reason the US has an ammunition shortage?   (npr.org) divider line 291
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2013-05-17 10:08:31 AM  
American Taliban.
They loves them some guns and pickups and Jesus.
 
2013-05-17 10:08:48 AM  

dittybopper: What the article kind of dances around is that gun owners, or at least a significant segment of them, tend to be very political.  Trying to explain this using pure economic theory is going to fall flat on its face because simple supply and demand doesn't take into account the ideology of those buying the goods.

A large fraction of gun owners are willing to take severe action against those whom they consider "traitors".  Witness what happened to Smith and Wesson when they signed the deal with the Clinton Administration, or what happened to Jim Zumbo when he called AR-15's "terrorist rifles", and even what happened to the Eastern States Outdoor Show, which was canceled due to boycotts after they announced a "no assault weapons" policy, and the parent company lost the biggest gun related show in the World, the SHOT Show, because of it.

There is a fairly large subset of gun owners who just *LOVE* to "knife perceived traitors in the back", so a gun store that relies on repeat customers has to tread lightly for fear of being perceived as a traitor by a large number of their customers.  It's not like a gas station or a supermarket.


well sure, for the vast majority of Americans now the gun is at the literal bottom of the totem pole of utilitarian purchases, below even the least used garden supplies of an abandoned one-off garden project

and it's been getting more and more that way for hundreds of years, really the gun has mostly turned into a luxury purchase

so sure, it's entirely driven by gut feelings
 
2013-05-17 10:08:51 AM  
Your liberal scare tactic, " you won't saying that if the cops can't X" is the weakest argument evar created. Do you have a fire extinguisher, if so why... There is always the fire department.
 
2013-05-17 10:09:15 AM  
DERPTASTIC
 
2013-05-17 10:09:50 AM  
I'm surprised that all those CAPITALISM-PROTECTING PATRIOTS subscribe to such COMMIE notions as "fairness", and don't let the invisible hand of the FREE MARKET  fix the shortage!

/needs a bit more eye-twitching and spittle, but not bad for a first draft
 
2013-05-17 10:09:53 AM  

edmo: dittybopper: so a gun store that relies on repeat customers has to tread lightly for fear of being perceived as a traitor by a large number of their customers.

What you're describing is a limited market with an overabundance of suppliers.Kind of shows the gun owner lobby has influence way out of proportion to it's relative population in the country.


Or like poor blacks in the south and their influence over transportation companies.

\Or should they just go to the back of the bus?
 
2013-05-17 10:10:01 AM  

HoustonNick: Don't forget that DHS purchased 1.6 Billion rounds.  Regardless of whether those purchases were or were not justified, the purchases did reduce the available ammunition supply.


randomdrake.com


What else should they do, point their fingers at a terrorist and go PEW PEW PEW?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-17 10:11:02 AM  

dr_blasto: the GAO notes the government makes its own ammo


Um, no, they don't.  In my old job I bought ammo of DoD contracts all.the.time.  The DoD buys its ammo from commercial manufacturers.
 
2013-05-17 10:12:57 AM  
12 ga shot shells are very available, as are large caliber cartridges.
more people are shooting to have fun and stay capable with the smaller caliber rounds.
 
2013-05-17 10:14:39 AM  
Haven't seen ammo on the shelves (other than shotgun shells) in months at sport stores I frequent.  Been shooting every other week and I am down to a few hundred rounds of .22lr.  The range I frequent was selling reloads of .22 for $1 per 10 shells.  And they smirked a bit when they told me, they are really really getting off on this.  Right now if you can meet the delivery truck at the store you can make about $40 on average off a $15 box of shells, or more by reselling it on gunbroker or one of the other sites.  It's pretty farking crazy.  The ammo manufacturers are too farking scared of what laws may or may not be passed to ramp up production to meet demand.  Eventually they will and this will pass.  Until then, target shooting has gotten farking expensive.
 
2013-05-17 10:15:35 AM  

dittybopper: HoustonNick: dittybopper:

I hope you still feel that way when your local Police Dept runs out of ammo.

If the idea of a shortage of ammo makes them just a bit more circumspect in their use of deadly force, well, I consider that a feature, not a bug.

And what if an innocent victim - or the policie officer - gets killed - would you consider that a feature or a bug?

I'll throw it right back at you:  What if someone innocent doesn't die or get injured because Officer Friendly doesn't empty his gun *TWICE* at a person reaching for their identification, or even someone innocent in the background?

Also, I said "a bit more circumspect in their use of deadly force", not "unarmed like a London Bobby".


An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.
 
2013-05-17 10:15:49 AM  

Carlip: Your liberal scare tactic, " you won't saying that if the cops can't X" is the weakest argument evar created. Do you have a fire extinguisher, if so why... There is always the fire department.


Your conservative scare tactic, "The government is wasteful, corrupt and stupid, but is ALSO just itching at the chance to suppress and send us to FEMA camps!" is pretty useful on dumbass white guys with money, though.
 
2013-05-17 10:15:52 AM  

HoustonNick: No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.


So you're OK with 10 people dying instead of 5?  Isn't that worse?
 
2013-05-17 10:17:55 AM  
Blah. Cost of resources + massive demand + people making money by artificially restricting the supply == shortage, panic, and conspiracy theories.
 
2013-05-17 10:19:01 AM  

HoustonNick: No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.

And you still didn't answer my questions.  Would the death of an innocent be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?


Good lord. I don't even have a dog in this fight, but I can see that you are refusing or unable to comprehend the answer that was previously given. He answered your question pretty clearly above.
 
2013-05-17 10:19:02 AM  
This is why I stock up on det cord and arrows.
 
2013-05-17 10:19:05 AM  
How do they figure prices haven't gone up? A hundred round white box of Winchester 9mm used to be about 9 bucks in the Dubya days. Now it's like 17-20.
And Magtec 5.56 ammo was about .36 a round, now it's upwards of $1.

And with the latest attempts of gun bans failing, you'd think ammo would start to become more avaliable as the gun nuts (by which I mean anyone crazier than I am) would stop worrying so much. I've been trying to get some 9mm for months before I lucked out and happened to be at a Walmart right as they got a shipment in, and got 200rds of 9mm and 100 of .40.

Of course I shoot the stuff for fun instead of hording it.
 
2013-05-17 10:21:27 AM  
its funny I always see people get so zealous about gun owners and gun lobby. if you spent half as much time realizing the damage caused by legal gun owners is statistically tiny, and the 'disproportionate' lobby power is exactly the same as with every other group in the history of lobbying, you might be able to apply all your 15 minutes of faux rage at issues that actually seriously affect this country and the world like, oh, I don't know; the disproportionate power of the bank lobby, or the petroleum lobby, or the christian lobby, or the drug war lobby, or the anti woman's rights lobby, or the warmongers lobby, or any of dozens of other things advocated with a full intention of farking over everyone in the country and world for a quick buck.

where's your bleeding heart for people farked by banks?

where's your bleeding heart for people sick from fossil fuel poisons?

you harp on gun owners because its easy and you are lazy in your theatre at giving a shiat.
 
2013-05-17 10:21:57 AM  
It is all panic buying. It has even trickled into .22lr because now that shooting regular cartridges has gotten so expensive people have been using their .22 at the range a lot more. That lead to 'better buy every box of .22....' mindset and cleared the shelves of that puny cartridge.

However, in normal capitalism if the market really did expand that much there would be massive new investment in ammunition production. Businesses would be scrambling to get loans to build or expand new plants to capitalize on that demand. That didn't happen. Some plants extended shifts to increase production, but that isn't an investment. Nobody is investing more money to meet this demand.

Why?

Because it isn't a real demand. When there is a white president again the panic will stop and prices will plummet. Anyone that took out big loans to expand production based upon high prices of ammo is going to go bankrupt when their sales dwindle. So the businesses are being smart. They are reaping a big pay day now, but because this is not the normal demand of the market - they anticipate that it will end.
 
2013-05-17 10:22:11 AM  

HoustonNick: 2. What about innocent victims being killed because they cannot find ammunition to defend themselves.


Where the fark do you think you live, Phobos?

We're not being invaded by the Sons of Horus and the World Eaters. Bullets are not a limited resource being sold individually at auction like in Outlaw Star. Even a minimum wage job can afford you a box of 100 rounds rather easily.

There's a minor shortage of munitions driving up the price. It's not like all the bullets are gone and aliens stole all the brass so we can't make any more. If demand really increases, they'll make more of them.
 
gja
2013-05-17 10:23:11 AM  

HoustonNick: dittybopper: HoustonNick: dittybopper:

So innocents being killed is a numbers game to you?  I'm not sure what you mean by "actual net negative value" when you are talking about people dying.  More bad guys then good?

Just to be clear, two simple questions:

1.   Are you happy if an innocent (suspect, victim, cop) is killed because of the scarcity?
2.   Would that be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?

Could it be any clearer that "If on balance more innocents live than die, than yes"?

Or are you innumerate?

No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.

And you still didn't answer my questions.  Would the death of an innocent be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?


Put the crack pipe down, it's making the worms in your skull eat too much brain.
 
2013-05-17 10:25:22 AM  

HoustonNick: dittybopper: HoustonNick: dittybopper:

So innocents being killed is a numbers game to you?  I'm not sure what you mean by "actual net negative value" when you are talking about people dying.  More bad guys then good?

Just to be clear, two simple questions:

1.   Are you happy if an innocent (suspect, victim, cop) is killed because of the scarcity?
2.   Would that be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?

Could it be any clearer that "If on balance more innocents live than die, than yes"?

Or are you innumerate?

No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.

And you still didn't answer my questions.  Would the death of an innocent be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?


You realize that you're essentially arguing for more hypothetical deaths, right? Do you realize how frigging monstrous that sounds?
 
2013-05-17 10:26:37 AM  

Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.


There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.
 
2013-05-17 10:27:26 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: Guns have become more of a cause than a business with some people.

Wow, that would have been a brilliant observation 40 years ago.


Uh... he said pretty much what you did in the Titties except more concisely.
 
2013-05-17 10:29:17 AM  

HoustonNick: FYI, its not like gun owners made up what Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Bloomberg, et al were doing, they were in fact trying to get new gun ban legislation passed. That caused gun owners to react before the legislation could get passed.


Actually, the only gun action Obama took in his entire first term was expanding concealed-carry rights on public land.

From the moment the 2008 election was decided, gun stores were going with a "stock up while you can, before the scary gun-grabber grabs your guns!" message. And why wouldn't they? It's a proven effective marketing scheme. I saw it work during the Clinton years, I saw a gun store in Tennessee (and I thought this was brilliant) with a "Don't trust Florida" message during the 2000 recount, and I saw it work when the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006. At all these points in time, the mere fact that Democrats had political influence was reason enough for gun stores to push the "they're a-gonna take yer guns!" marketing message, and it apparently proved effective to its target audience.

There's a certain segment of America that is just really susceptible to having guns sold to them in this manner. "Act now, before the politicians repeal the Second Amendment" is an easy way to get them to respond like Pavlov's dogs.
 
2013-05-17 10:30:43 AM  

ajgeek: This is why I stock up on det cord and arrows.


them Duke boys...
 
gja
2013-05-17 10:31:25 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: its funny I always see people get so zealous about gun owners and gun lobby. if you spent half as much time realizing the damage caused by legal gun owners is statistically tiny, and the 'disproportionate' lobby power is exactly the same as with every other group in the history of lobbying, you might be able to apply all your 15 minutes of faux rage at issues that actually seriously affect this country and the world like, oh, I don't know; the disproportionate power of the bank lobby, or the petroleum lobby, or the christian lobby, or the drug war lobby, or the anti woman's rights lobby, or the warmongers lobby, or any of dozens of other things advocated with a full intention of farking over everyone in the country and world for a quick buck.

where's your bleeding heart for people farked by banks?

where's your bleeding heart for people sick from fossil fuel poisons?

you harp on gun owners because its easy and you are lazy in your theatre at giving a shiat.


I almost wish you weren't already a TF'er so I could gift you some.
 
2013-05-17 10:31:30 AM  
Profit   Profit    Profit   Profit

What were we, oh yea, just like a "shortage" of gas made the price jump 15% overnight.
Yea, baby, shortage FTW!
 
2013-05-17 10:32:19 AM  
Price gouge and blame Obama.  Can't go wrong with that.
 
2013-05-17 10:34:17 AM  
A local gun shop here is rationing ammunition by limiting customers to three boxes of each caliber per purchase. The owner said he is doing it so that he doesn't run out because that would affect his gun sales. He said people are unlikely to buy a gun if they can't also buy ammo for it at the same time.

Stockpilers are foolish, especially those paying high prices for bulk ammo. I have enough .380, .22lr and .357 magnums for my pistols to last me quite a while. By that I mean, less than 100 rounds of each. I have yet to go through an entire box of 20 hunting rounds during the 3-month deer season we have here in SC, and I usually get 5 deer/season. I'll go to the range and check my scope's zero with about 6 shots before the season starts and the rest are fired at deer. I'm not going to buy three boxes of hunting ammo.
 
2013-05-17 10:34:30 AM  
the word "fair" came up about two-dozen times. Or, as one customer put it, "There's no reason to make a profit off of our misfortune."

What kind of Commies are these guys?
 
2013-05-17 10:36:03 AM  
orclover.....how do you reload 22 shells....never heard of such a thing
 
2013-05-17 10:36:09 AM  

YoungLochinvar: HoustonNick: dittybopper: HoustonNick: dittybopper:

So innocents being killed is a numbers game to you?  I'm not sure what you mean by "actual net negative value" when you are talking about people dying.  More bad guys then good?

Just to be clear, two simple questions:

1.   Are you happy if an innocent (suspect, victim, cop) is killed because of the scarcity?
2.   Would that be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?

Could it be any clearer that "If on balance more innocents live than die, than yes"?

Or are you innumerate?

No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.

And you still didn't answer my questions.  Would the death of an innocent be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?

You realize that you're essentially arguing for more hypothetical deaths, right? Do you realize how frigging monstrous that sounds?


To clarify my point - if you're going to argue about a hypothetical change in policy, you necessarily have to compare that policy to the current status quo. You don't get to say "if we change things somebody might die"; you have to look at how many people the status quo is killing too. Hiding behind this "people aren't numbers" argument doesn't make sense - if the status quo is killing ten people, *they're still people*. So in the hypothetical situation where the scarcity saves ten lives and costs one, you are choosing to kill ten people if you stick with the status quo. Remember that.

/I have no idea what the effects of an ammo scarcity would be - not arguing in favor of that.
 
2013-05-17 10:36:32 AM  

HoustonNick: dittybopper: HoustonNick: dittybopper:

So innocents being killed is a numbers game to you?  I'm not sure what you mean by "actual net negative value" when you are talking about people dying.  More bad guys then good?

Just to be clear, two simple questions:

1.   Are you happy if an innocent (suspect, victim, cop) is killed because of the scarcity?
2.   Would that be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?

Could it be any clearer that "If on balance more innocents live than die, than yes"?

Or are you innumerate?

No, but unlike you apparently, I do not view people as mere numbers.

And you still didn't answer my questions.  Would the death of an innocent be the best use of your tax dollars EVAR?


Are you saying that you would be fine with 10 innocent people dying if 5 innocent lives are saved?
 
2013-05-17 10:36:37 AM  

dittybopper: Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.

There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.


It is an issue with the LAPD. Giving the village idiot a gun w/o adequate training and continuing proficiency practice needs to be criminalized.
A gun is a pinpoint weapon. Spraying rounds in the general direction of an assumed target is the sign of utter incompetency.
 
2013-05-17 10:36:47 AM  

catusr: I have 40 9mm bullets in my ammo box.  For me, that is a five year supply.  I shoot off a single magazine (8 bullets) once a year.  I think that's good enough to stay familiar with the pistol.  I sure hope this ammo shortage is all over with by 2018, because I'll be wanting to buy a box of ammo by then.


If I get into a gunfight, I hope it's with you.
 
2013-05-17 10:38:36 AM  

snocone: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.

There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.

It is an issue with the LAPD. Giving the village idiot a gun w/o adequate training and continuing proficiency practice needs to be criminalized.
A gun is a pinpoint weapon. Spraying rounds in the general direction of an assumed target is the sign of utter incompetency.


Ever heard of suppressing fire?
 
2013-05-17 10:38:36 AM  
Ammo IS getting more expensive, but this has a lot more to do with materials prices than anything else.

And leave it to the Liberals at NPR to find the idea of fairness inexplicable. This story told me far more about the author than about ammunition.
 
2013-05-17 10:38:56 AM  
This thread reminded me to start checking around for target rounds.  Dicks "lodge" manager said they have gotten almost nothing in as far as ammo except .40 cal and shotgun shells.  He recently talked with ammo reps at an NRA "meeting" and they claim they are producing 3x capacity and still cant begin to meet demand.  Hoarders could not possibly be buying up the excess ammo, they would have simply run out of room by now.  Calling academy next.
 
2013-05-17 10:40:25 AM  

dr_blasto: I don't state that people shooting are nutters. I am saying the paranoid people buying all the ammunition up just to stockpile tens of thousands of rounds for when 0bama comes to take their guns are nutters. They are nutters.


After the last ammo shortage a couple years back, when ammo started getting back on the market at reasonable prices, I stockpiled up roughly 1000 rounds for each caliber I use. Not because I'm a nutter, but because I knew these nutcases would pull this shiat again and I didn't want to spend $30-35 for a box of 9mm just to go to the range and relax...

I'm an avid shooter. I own a few firearms; throughout the wars at their peak(s), I never had an issue feeding any of my rifles or pistols, most of which use common NATO rounds like 5.56 or 9mm.

On the subject of .22LR, most people would buy by the brick as it was so friggin cheap. It takes a while to load and fire that shiat. I'm sure people still have quite a bit, but I haven't seen it on a shelf since early December. Some of my other shooting sports friends tell me that they think that mess was because the zombie/survivalist/endofworld types bought metric ass-tons up to store for 12/21/12, the end of times shiat. Whatever the reason, the government isn't buying that shiat, yet none is available.


Bought a box of 500 HP .22LR for like $7 a year ago or so, still working on it...
 
2013-05-17 10:42:09 AM  
part of the problem:
And leave it to the Liberals at NPR to find the idea of fairness inexplicable. This story told me far more about the author than about ammunition.

Perhaps you would care to quote the part of TFA that indicates the author found this inexplicable. I re-read it and it reads to me as if the author finds it explicable and is in fact explicating it.
 
2013-05-17 10:43:31 AM  

smitton: orclover.....how do you reload 22 shells....never heard of such a thing


No farking clue.  How bad is it that it would even be close to considered cost effective?
 
2013-05-17 10:43:59 AM  
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953
 
2013-05-17 10:47:22 AM  

dittybopper: There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply. Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.


That's true. They usually only have to shoot twice a year. I suppose reducing range time can have either effect.
 
2013-05-17 10:47:32 AM  
So China hasn't picked up on this ? Don't know if I would buy Chinese ammo anyway.
 
2013-05-17 10:47:50 AM  

NoGods: A local gun shop here is rationing ammunition by limiting customers to three boxes of each caliber per purchase. The owner said he is doing it so that he doesn't run out because that would affect his gun sales. He said people are unlikely to buy a gun if they can't also buy ammo for it at the same time.

Stockpilers are foolish, especially those paying high prices for bulk ammo. I have enough .380, .22lr and .357 magnums for my pistols to last me quite a while. By that I mean, less than 100 rounds of each. I have yet to go through an entire box of 20 hunting rounds during the 3-month deer season we have here in SC, and I usually get 5 deer/season. I'll go to the range and check my scope's zero with about 6 shots before the season starts and the rest are fired at deer. I'm not going to buy three boxes of hunting ammo.


3 boxes of hunting rounds seems excessive, but I've gone through several hundred .22 rounds in an hour or two when I was having fun.

That's the crux of the issue. Once again, gun control and the backlash is only affecting the plinkers.
 
2013-05-17 10:49:01 AM  
Academy called.  Truck comes in betwen 5 and 7pm on thursday and fridays.  They are getting roughly 15 boxes of .22lr in at a time which is alot more than they used to a few years ago.  A group of people will typically wait around the desk waiting on the truck to come in and the ammo sells out within 10 minutes.  They are rationing 1 box per person right now which equals some upset people (who may be making a living off this).

Calling GT.
 
2013-05-17 10:49:10 AM  

stevetherobot: snocone: dittybopper: Frank N Stein: An ammo shortage for a police department wouldn't cause the officers to not carry a sidearm. He'd still have whatever he carried before, and with just as many rounds in the magazine or wheel. What it would do is reduce range and training time. So when it comes time for Officer Friendly to empty is magazine at a suspect, he'd be an even worse aim and endanger even more so any bystanders.

I don't know how you cant see that.

There are ways to maintain basic marksmanship proficiency fairly cheaply.  Nothing beats actual range time, but the police departments in general require so little range time I can't see it being a major issue.

It is an issue with the LAPD. Giving the village idiot a gun w/o adequate training and continuing proficiency practice needs to be criminalized.
A gun is a pinpoint weapon. Spraying rounds in the general direction of an assumed target is the sign of utter incompetency.

Ever heard of suppressing fire?


There's that. But I doubt in the context of civilian law enforcement that suppressing fire is much needed or warranted
 
2013-05-17 10:49:57 AM  

orclover: Haven't seen ammo on the shelves (other than shotgun shells) in months at sport stores I frequent.  Been shooting every other week and I am down to a few hundred rounds of .22lr.  The range I frequent was selling reloads of .22 for $1 per 10 shells.  And they smirked a bit when they told me, they are really really getting off on this.  Right now if you can meet the delivery truck at the store you can make about $40 on average off a $15 box of shells, or more by reselling it on gunbroker or one of the other sites.  It's pretty farking crazy.  The ammo manufacturers are too farking scared of what laws may or may not be passed to ramp up production to meet demand.  Eventually they will and this will pass.  Until then, target shooting has gotten farking expensive.


I was wondering about this -- if people can't get it at the store, there must be some enterprising folks who stocked up early and are re-selling at a higher price.  Kinda like with fuel during the month or so after Sandy hit the Northeast.
 
2013-05-17 10:50:32 AM  

cig-mkr: So China hasn't picked up on this ? Don't know if I would buy Chinese ammo anyway.


Ironically it wouldn't have any lead in it.
 
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