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(Opposing Views)   Remember that creationist 'science' test that a father posted on Reddit? Well, the school that offered it was on the verge of closing down. Not anymore   (opposingviews.com) divider line 22
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2013-05-17 09:13:31 AM
6 votes:
When I say that there should be a standardized national curriculum that all schools much teach, I get jeered because there's no way a single standardized national curriculum could possibly be as relevant to the educational requirements of students as one dreamed up by local school boards.

You want to teach Creationism? Then you must also teach science and at least 75% of your students must pass the basic science skill requirements established by the national curriculum. If not, you get your accreditation pulled and you will not be anything more than a day care center.
2013-05-17 09:14:32 AM
5 votes:
Don't worry, a financially unsound institution will remain unsound even if it gets a once-only cash injection.
2013-05-17 08:50:01 AM
4 votes:
If Pat Robertson is a voice of reason in your world, you have some very serious issues.
2013-05-17 12:39:42 PM
2 votes:

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.


It's an important topic for some christians because for fundies the lynchpin is 'everything in the bible is absolutely true' and if it's not, it's all false. That's something they'll actually say. They don't have a brand of christianity where they focus purely on the nicer parts of the NT and have a god of love and sunshine. Of course, like all religions they do pick and choose...because they don't practice kosher for instance, even though they'll cite the OT for some of their other beliefs. (They claim they don't have to practice kosher because Jesus laid out a new law. But they'll refer to Leviticus about the gays).

Anyhoo, this brand of christianity was more or less what went on in all christian churches until science made discoveries that were in opposition to what the bible said. If the bible was wrong...what ELSE was it wrong about?  Galileo was at serious risk with the church over his discoveries for this reason.

Anyhoo...most brands of christianity evolved to embrace some of science and try to morph it with the bible (fossils evidence of animals who died in the flood) and that was the evolution of the christian faith in most faiths. Later it morphs into 'well the stories aren't literally true, but they speak to a universal truth. There was no literal Adam and Eve...but the POINT of the story is that god made everything and man farked it up, etc.' so that scientific discovery really can't threaten this type of faith too much at this point. As long as they're dealing with claims outside the physical realm, they're fine. Once they touch the physical realm, then that's a factual claim...and the evidence may indicate otherwise. There's a ton of factually wrong shiat in the bible.

So for people who are fundies and take their faith literally...the bible can't be wrong therefore everything else is. PERIOD. And the mental gymnastics and outright lying that takes place to support that beggars belief. In some cases it's almost impossible to believe anything but that they KNOW they're lying liars...but they believe the lie is important because faith/jesus/their church is important and does really good things...ends justify the means thing. Some are probably cynical profiteers inside too...but let's hope that's not most. And some are just deluded, and it's easier to go with what you 'feel' than to do the work that science requires.

Anyhoo, that's why you have people insisting the earth is only 6000 years old. Dinosaurs lived with people. Pi is three. Job had the heart of a unicorn. Demons exist. And Jesus is gonna come back soon and then everyone else is in suuuuuch trouble.

/has heard more interesting fairy tales
2013-05-17 12:30:41 PM
2 votes:

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.


For some, it's fear of losing authority. They rely on fear of God, fear of Hell to maintain their authority, not just over their own flock but on society in general. When no one takes their treats of damnation seriously, they lose power. (Much like Republicans lost power when people stopped being afraid that electing Democrats means a thousand 9/11s every day.)

If people believed evolution, if children began to believe in evolution over a literal interpretation, then what's to stop them from abandoning the faith entirely? Their entire theology is fear based, and removing the fear removes the power.

It's also motivated by the same school of thought that makes people buy into conspiracy theories. Knowing the "real truth," that the world is really just 6,000 years old makes them special, because everyone else believes a lie. No amount of science or logic or reason will sway them, because it's not about facts, it's about feeling special mixed with a persecution complex.

As usual, it's about pride and ego, something that affects every group. It's why we have the anti-vaxxers, Birthers, Truthers, and all the others. Those conspiracies give them a place in the world and make them feel special. They make sense, just as it makes sense to them that the reason they don't get along with the rest of society is that they are being persecuted for the "Truth."
2013-05-17 09:19:08 AM
2 votes:
Well this will be fun. These donations and maybe a slight bump in enrollment will keep the school solvent another year, maybe. Then they're going to be back facing the same problem, and what will the solution be? More and derpier tests of course.

They won't be able to count on it going viral on it's own again, so they'll be creating sock puppet accounts and submitting them to Reddit themselves. It'll make the front page based on "Look who's back!" novelty, and another round of funding will come in, but less this time. More tests are devised...perhaps now Jesus actually returned from Heaven briefly in 1945 to personally defeat Hitler in one-on-one combat, or "washing machine" is now somehow an anagram for "Satan's machinations" and this is the reason society has fallen into the pits of hell. Eventually they'll just be submitting these test press-release style to the AP, hoping they will get some traction in the media.
2013-05-17 09:12:05 AM
2 votes:
It is a great investment sustaining the GOP base.
2013-05-17 03:59:41 PM
1 votes:
Dear Southern US - please secede from the country again.  Please.  We're begging you.
2013-05-17 02:48:48 PM
1 votes:

WhoGAS: soporific: For some, it's fear of losing authority.

Lady Indica: It's an important topic for some christians because for fundies the lynchpin is 'everything in the bible is absolutely true' and if it's not, it's all false.
 Thank you for both your responses.  It's good to read more thoughts on the subject from others with whom I don't normally converse.


I guess it was a bit different back in my time...that really wasn't an important topic for us.  I mean, we thought about it, we asked about it and everyone from different denominations had their opinion of it but we were taught that if it wasn't in the Bible then it probably wasn't that important for God to have us know.  That was fairly logical to us and allowed for more freedom.

Maybe I'm just getting older and things bother me more.  Maybe I just need to accept that there is no difference between the people in my day and the people of this day...just the focus of topics change.  Tomorrow (figuratively put), everything bad will be good again and this generation will be sitting where I am wondering how it got so...different.

Anyway, thank you both again for responding; they were both good reads and I agree with, especially the ego, what you said.


What is interesting to me is how many fundies don't read the Bible at all and how many atheists know the Bible very well.
2013-05-17 12:11:12 PM
1 votes:
I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-17 10:58:30 AM
1 votes:
It's like a reverse Streisand effect with a backflip.
2013-05-17 09:48:17 AM
1 votes:
In other news.. stupid people have money too.

/Catholic
//Evolutionist
/// My priest is too.
2013-05-17 09:41:49 AM
1 votes:

Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?


You're an asshole.

FYI
2013-05-17 09:40:02 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: I love it when a bunch of self-righteous turds dedicated to groupthink get pwned by the Internet.


So "get pwnded" now means "gets a lot of funding"?
2013-05-17 09:28:10 AM
1 votes:

99sportster: I cannot ever, EVER, remember agreeing with Pat Robertson on ANYTHING.  EVER.  This is surely a sign of our coming doom.


He also supports legalization of marijuana.

/A broken clock can still be right twice
//Those are his two
MFK
2013-05-17 09:26:30 AM
1 votes:
who can say what's actually going on? They clearly have no problem lying to little kids, maybe they're lying about being "oh the verge" of closing or maybe they're lying about all the donations in order to try to separate more rubes from their dollars.

Who knows what's actually happening when these so-called "christians" feel like they can lie with impunity so long as it benefits them.
2013-05-17 09:25:03 AM
1 votes:

99sportster: I cannot ever, EVER, remember agreeing with Pat Robertson on ANYTHING.  EVER.  This is surely a sign of our coming doom.


How about legalizing pot?
2013-05-17 09:21:23 AM
1 votes:
No Sad tag?
2013-05-17 09:09:10 AM
1 votes:
At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?
2013-05-17 08:55:44 AM
1 votes:
I find myself agreeing with Pat Robertson.....and this scares me.
2013-05-17 08:48:32 AM
1 votes:
Not surprising, nearly 50% of Americans are retarded.
2013-05-17 08:32:19 AM
1 votes:
Goddammit.
 
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