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2013-05-17 09:40:02 AM  

Elegy: I love it when a bunch of self-righteous turds dedicated to groupthink get pwned by the Internet.


So "get pwnded" now means "gets a lot of funding"?
 
2013-05-17 09:41:16 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-17 09:41:49 AM  

Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?


You're an asshole.

FYI
 
2013-05-17 09:42:12 AM  
"[...]has received financial aid from people across the world [...]"

It's money from people who want Americans to stay dumb so their kids can get the better jobs.
 
2013-05-17 09:42:33 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?

You're an asshole.

FYI


I'm devastated.
 
2013-05-17 09:42:55 AM  

Walker: I find myself agreeing with Pat Robertson.....and this scares me.


Not to worry, you don't "agree with Pat Robertson". Robertson and the Young Earthers are just arguing over how to interpret the literal words in the bible. The Young Earthers add up the ages of men and come up with 6,000 years total age of the universe. To which Robertson says, nuh uh, ya gotta multiply every day of that 6,000 years by a thousand years per day, and comes up with the universe being 2,190,000,000 years old, leaving plenty of time for dinosaurs in their own "pre-biblical" time. It's two idiots arguing over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a needle.
 
2013-05-17 09:43:06 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?


That the Wire Brush of Enlightenment needs to be vigorously applied to the Foreskin of Ignorance?
 
2013-05-17 09:44:08 AM  
Which only proves that stupid people have money too.
 
2013-05-17 09:45:51 AM  
"You go back in time, you have carbon dating, all these things, and you have the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time." Robertson said in 2012. "They are out there. And so there was a time when these giant raptors were on the earth and it was before the time of the Bible. So don't try to cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years, that's not the Bible."

Pat was taking his meds that day.
 
2013-05-17 09:46:49 AM  
I was hoping the headline meant that it actually closed down in stead of being on the verge.

I'm a Christian and can't believe this bullsh...
 
2013-05-17 09:47:39 AM  

ciberido: Elegy: I love it when a bunch of self-righteous turds dedicated to groupthink get pwned by the Internet.

So "get pwnded" now means "gets a lot of funding"?


That one went right over your head, didn't it?
 
2013-05-17 09:48:17 AM  
In other news.. stupid people have money too.

/Catholic
//Evolutionist
/// My priest is too.
 
2013-05-17 09:52:16 AM  

dr_blasto: If Pat Robertson is a voice of reason in your world, you have some very serious issues.

 
2013-05-17 09:52:24 AM  
People are really dog shiat stupid. I mean, if chimps could build things, it wouldn't be any different.
 
2013-05-17 09:59:06 AM  

jayhawk88: Well this will be fun. These donations and maybe a slight bump in enrollment will keep the school solvent another year, maybe. Then they're going to be back facing the same problem, and what will the solution be? More and derpier tests of course.


I don't know about that.  The worst-case scenario here is that all the recent publicity will result in more students enrolled by parents who didn't realize what a "gem" this school was.  That increased enrollment would sustain the school for several more years.
 
2013-05-17 10:02:25 AM  

Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?


The problem with genocide is that evangelical christians get stiffys when they perceive they are being "persecuted". So until we perfect robot guards to lead the derpers to the gas chambers we will have whole generation of guards with ptsd from seeing gillions of obese, grease sweating, midwesterners with boners waddling toward the "showers", babbling about coming all over jesus.

Instead we should put birth control in corn syrup and the problem will pretty much take care of itself.
 
2013-05-17 10:09:38 AM  
Nice job fixing it, hero?
 
2013-05-17 10:11:18 AM  

Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?


When all more reasonable attempts have failed.
There are plenty of things left to try first.

What is probably needed is mandatory public education (no option for private or home schooling) with 80-90% of the ciriculum set at a national level, leaving the remaining 10-20% for regional topics. and no room for religion in the material at all outside of history classes saying here is what X faith was doing during Y period, and social studies classes discussion other cultures.

The parents are a lost cause, and if they are left to brainwash their children then they will be as well.
 
2013-05-17 10:13:38 AM  

PunGent: Looks like California isn't as godless/atheist as the fundies say...


The Bible Belt has NUTHIN! on the Inland Empire of California.
 
2013-05-17 10:22:32 AM  

Stone Meadow: PunGent: Looks like California isn't as godless/atheist as the fundies say...

The Bible Belt has NUTHIN! on the Inland Empire of California.


I think it's cause the Christians here already are the dominant culture, as opposed to feeling surrounded by oppressive heathens, so they dial back the reactionary sh*t.

/Texas
//Buckle of the Bible Belt
 
2013-05-17 10:23:50 AM  
You see, Internet?

Do you see what you did?  Do you see what happens?

This is why we can't have nice things, Internet.
 
2013-05-17 10:24:16 AM  

edmo: And these people look down their noses at Islam?


And here we thought madrassas only existed in Pakistan.
 
2013-05-17 10:34:50 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Stone Meadow: PunGent: Looks like California isn't as godless/atheist as the fundies say...

The Bible Belt has NUTHIN! on the Inland Empire of California.

I think it's cause the Christians here already are the dominant culture, as opposed to feeling surrounded by oppressive heathens, so they dial back the reactionary sh*t.

/Texas
//Buckle of the Bible Belt


California avoids the worst of the bible-based education sham by insisting that all students entering the state's public higher education system pass standardized tests for admittance. You can believe whatever origination fairy tales you like, but you'd better be able to explain the theory of evolution, do algebra and geometry, etc. None of this wink, wink, nudge, nudge *creationism* or *young earth* bullshiat.

Along with state law making full time education mandatory from age 6 to 18, this has alleviated the worst of the isolationist tendencies of fundies.
 
2013-05-17 10:40:02 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?


I think so, Brain, but where are we going to find organic free-range alpacas and industrial-strength lye at this time of night?
 
2013-05-17 10:45:01 AM  

pippi longstocking: People are really dog shiat stupid. I mean, if chimps could build things, it wouldn't be any different.


From a strictly evolutionary and reproductive view one might suggest that religion has lots of benefits and few downsides.

It provides an altruistic community for you to live in and has certain reproductive bonuses. Whats the biological downside to being religious? There aren't many.

I would throw it out there that being religious for most of human history was a huge benefit.

\On a much cooler note while i was writing this a lynx the size of a German Shepard just walked through my yard... Wholy crap this cat is huge.
 
2013-05-17 10:50:01 AM  

mikefinch: pippi longstocking: People are really dog shiat stupid. I mean, if chimps could build things, it wouldn't be any different.

From a strictly evolutionary and reproductive view one might suggest that religion has lots of benefits and few downsides.

It provides an altruistic community for you to live in and has certain reproductive bonuses. Whats the biological downside to being religious? There aren't many.

I would throw it out there that being religious for most of human history was a huge benefit.

\On a much cooler note while i was writing this a lynx the size of a German Shepard just walked through my yard... Wholy crap this cat is huge.


You've been on Fark--where are the pics?
 
2013-05-17 10:52:24 AM  

mikefinch: pippi longstocking: People are really dog shiat stupid. I mean, if chimps could build things, it wouldn't be any different.

From a strictly evolutionary and reproductive view one might suggest that religion has lots of benefits and few downsides.

It provides an altruistic community for you to live in and has certain reproductive bonuses. Whats the biological downside to being religious? There aren't many.

I would throw it out there that being religious for most of human history was a huge benefit.

\On a much cooler note while i was writing this a lynx the size of a German Shepard just walked through my yard... Wholy crap this cat is huge.


It was a great organizing tool and cultural unifier back in the day. Now we have twitter and facebook I guess. Progress?

/10 bucks says you're too scared to pet the lynx
 
2013-05-17 10:55:25 AM  
So the same thing will happen with that crazy woman's restaurant in Scottsdale... the crazies come out of the wood work and support the other crazies. They really need to stop calling it "Science" and call it what it really is.
 
2013-05-17 10:55:49 AM  
 "These anti-God people hate the fact that Christians are teaching children to stand on the authority of the Bible; they want to be the ones teaching children and indoctrinating them into atheism."

blog.wordtothewise.com
 
2013-05-17 10:56:16 AM  
Tomorrow's headline:
Man sees huge bobcat on his lawn and thinks 'I should go pet this' Hospitalarity ensues.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-17 10:58:30 AM  
It's like a reverse Streisand effect with a backflip.
 
2013-05-17 11:04:29 AM  

RatOmeter: Walker: I find myself agreeing with Pat Robertson.....and this scares me.

I've seen signs that Robertson has a not insignificant streak of rationality, but that he's a product of his time and environment.  He also shows some signs of senility, but hey.  He's gettin' old.


Senility causes rational thinking in bible thumpers?
 
2013-05-17 11:34:59 AM  
This is skewed because you can give money to support something you like, but for some reason it's frowned upon to steal money from something you don't like. The people who like them get to contribute but the people who don't like them aren't allowed to apply equal and opposite force.
 
2013-05-17 11:39:21 AM  
UrukHaiGuyz:

/Texas
//Buckle of the Bible Belt


I guess that makes Oklahoma overhanging belly flab?  Then what is Kansas?
 
2013-05-17 11:59:54 AM  

RatOmeter: UrukHaiGuyz:

/Texas
//Buckle of the Bible Belt

I guess that makes Oklahoma overhanging belly flab?  Then what is Kansas?


Moobs...definitely moobs.
 
2013-05-17 12:02:14 PM  
Now I get why my neighbor says she's going to Mass.

It's mass delusion.
 
2013-05-17 12:10:35 PM  
Pat Robertson's... r-rrrrriiiii- *deep breath* riiiii.... right. Ugh, I need to shower.
 
2013-05-17 12:11:12 PM  
I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.
 
2013-05-17 12:17:52 PM  
And when these darling little snowflakes grow up and try to get into a real school/job that wants nothing to do with there screwed up view of the world. Then guess whose to blame.
 
2013-05-17 12:26:51 PM  

stuffy: And when these darling little snowflakes grow up and try to get into a real school/job that wants nothing to do with there screwed up view of the world. Then guess whose

who's to blame.

FTFY

Meh, it really only matters whether they're attractive and articulate.
 
2013-05-17 12:30:23 PM  
Way to go r/atheism!
 
2013-05-17 12:30:41 PM  

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.


For some, it's fear of losing authority. They rely on fear of God, fear of Hell to maintain their authority, not just over their own flock but on society in general. When no one takes their treats of damnation seriously, they lose power. (Much like Republicans lost power when people stopped being afraid that electing Democrats means a thousand 9/11s every day.)

If people believed evolution, if children began to believe in evolution over a literal interpretation, then what's to stop them from abandoning the faith entirely? Their entire theology is fear based, and removing the fear removes the power.

It's also motivated by the same school of thought that makes people buy into conspiracy theories. Knowing the "real truth," that the world is really just 6,000 years old makes them special, because everyone else believes a lie. No amount of science or logic or reason will sway them, because it's not about facts, it's about feeling special mixed with a persecution complex.

As usual, it's about pride and ego, something that affects every group. It's why we have the anti-vaxxers, Birthers, Truthers, and all the others. Those conspiracies give them a place in the world and make them feel special. They make sense, just as it makes sense to them that the reason they don't get along with the rest of society is that they are being persecuted for the "Truth."
 
2013-05-17 12:39:42 PM  

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.


It's an important topic for some christians because for fundies the lynchpin is 'everything in the bible is absolutely true' and if it's not, it's all false. That's something they'll actually say. They don't have a brand of christianity where they focus purely on the nicer parts of the NT and have a god of love and sunshine. Of course, like all religions they do pick and choose...because they don't practice kosher for instance, even though they'll cite the OT for some of their other beliefs. (They claim they don't have to practice kosher because Jesus laid out a new law. But they'll refer to Leviticus about the gays).

Anyhoo, this brand of christianity was more or less what went on in all christian churches until science made discoveries that were in opposition to what the bible said. If the bible was wrong...what ELSE was it wrong about?  Galileo was at serious risk with the church over his discoveries for this reason.

Anyhoo...most brands of christianity evolved to embrace some of science and try to morph it with the bible (fossils evidence of animals who died in the flood) and that was the evolution of the christian faith in most faiths. Later it morphs into 'well the stories aren't literally true, but they speak to a universal truth. There was no literal Adam and Eve...but the POINT of the story is that god made everything and man farked it up, etc.' so that scientific discovery really can't threaten this type of faith too much at this point. As long as they're dealing with claims outside the physical realm, they're fine. Once they touch the physical realm, then that's a factual claim...and the evidence may indicate otherwise. There's a ton of factually wrong shiat in the bible.

So for people who are fundies and take their faith literally...the bible can't be wrong therefore everything else is. PERIOD. And the mental gymnastics and outright lying that takes place to support that beggars belief. In some cases it's almost impossible to believe anything but that they KNOW they're lying liars...but they believe the lie is important because faith/jesus/their church is important and does really good things...ends justify the means thing. Some are probably cynical profiteers inside too...but let's hope that's not most. And some are just deluded, and it's easier to go with what you 'feel' than to do the work that science requires.

Anyhoo, that's why you have people insisting the earth is only 6000 years old. Dinosaurs lived with people. Pi is three. Job had the heart of a unicorn. Demons exist. And Jesus is gonna come back soon and then everyone else is in suuuuuch trouble.

/has heard more interesting fairy tales
 
2013-05-17 12:45:48 PM  
THANKS, REDDIT
 
2013-05-17 01:25:48 PM  

soporific: For some, it's fear of losing authority.


Lady Indica: It's an important topic for some christians because for fundies the lynchpin is 'everything in the bible is absolutely true' and if it's not, it's all false.

 Thank you for both your responses.  It's good to read more thoughts on the subject from others with whom I don't normally converse.


I guess it was a bit different back in my time...that really wasn't an important topic for us.  I mean, we thought about it, we asked about it and everyone from different denominations had their opinion of it but we were taught that if it wasn't in the Bible then it probably wasn't that important for God to have us know.  That was fairly logical to us and allowed for more freedom.

Maybe I'm just getting older and things bother me more.  Maybe I just need to accept that there is no difference between the people in my day and the people of this day...just the focus of topics change.  Tomorrow (figuratively put), everything bad will be good again and this generation will be sitting where I am wondering how it got so...different.

Anyway, thank you both again for responding; they were both good reads and I agree with, especially the ego, what you said.
 
2013-05-17 01:37:58 PM  
Aren't all children required to go to school?  Like actual school, with a certain defined curriculum?
For example, I'm pretty sure in my state, all children are required to take X years of English classes that meet a certain standard, X science classes that are actual science, etc.
Even religious schools and home schooling have to meet some standards.
 
2013-05-17 01:45:22 PM  

twoody: There is no such thing as bad publicity. Honest to goodness truth.


There is no such thing as bad publicity indeed.   This man agrees....

i2.ytimg.com

A&F's "bad" publicity resulted in their company being mentioned in nearly every print and broadcast media across the nation.  I suspect they will have a banner quarter.  Already their stock has surged 30% since the "scandal" broke, which I suspect was carefully crafted by their marketing department.

data.moneycentral.msn.com

While the creationist crazies never intended their tests to generate publicity or increase funds, they too are proving living the "no bad publicity" statement.
 
2013-05-17 02:03:10 PM  

Begoggle: Aren't all children required to go to school?  Like actual school, with a certain defined curriculum?
For example, I'm pretty sure in my state, all children are required to take X years of English classes that meet a certain standard, X science classes that are actual science, etc.
Even religious schools and home schooling have to meet some standards.


Not in all states. For instance, in SC...the state where (IIRC) the "science test" we mocked came from, here are the basic rules:

(1) the parent:
(a) holds at least a high school diploma or the equivalent general educational development (GED) certificate or
(b) has earned a baccalaureate degree;
(2) the instructional day is at least four and one-half hours, excluding lunch and recesses, and the instructional year is at least one hundred eighty days;
(3) the curriculum includes, but is not limited to, the basic instructional areas of reading, writing, mathematics, science, and social studies and in grades seven through twelve, composition and literature; (Source)


Looks *reasonable*, but as we can see from the "test", reading can mean "reading the bible". Writing can mean writing out passages from the bible. Mathematics is simple counting...no real controversy there. "Science" means Jeebus riding dinosaurs, and social studies means learning the 10 commandments.

Yeah, they have to take SC's standard assessment tests, but in practice that means 3 tests of reading comprehension and grade-school arithmetic.
 
2013-05-17 02:15:09 PM  

Tigger: At what point do we at least put genocide on the table for discussion?


I'd suggest not while creationists are more likely to own guns than non-creationists.
 
2013-05-17 02:32:10 PM  
This is why we cant have nice things

/ or flying cars
 
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