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(Opposing Views)   Remember that creationist 'science' test that a father posted on Reddit? Well, the school that offered it was on the verge of closing down. Not anymore   (opposingviews.com) divider line 124
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2013-05-17 02:40:27 PM

JeffreyScott: twoody: There is no such thing as bad publicity. Honest to goodness truth.

There is no such thing as bad publicity indeed.   This man agrees....

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Sting sure is looking rough these days.

 
2013-05-17 02:41:00 PM

dv-ous: Nice job fixing it, hero?


Did it make shoes for ophans?
 
2013-05-17 02:44:09 PM

RatOmeter: UrukHaiGuyz:

/Texas
//Buckle of the Bible Belt

I guess that makes Oklahoma overhanging belly flab?  Then what is Kansas?


Kansas is the lint in the navel.
 
2013-05-17 02:48:48 PM

WhoGAS: soporific: For some, it's fear of losing authority.

Lady Indica: It's an important topic for some christians because for fundies the lynchpin is 'everything in the bible is absolutely true' and if it's not, it's all false.
 Thank you for both your responses.  It's good to read more thoughts on the subject from others with whom I don't normally converse.


I guess it was a bit different back in my time...that really wasn't an important topic for us.  I mean, we thought about it, we asked about it and everyone from different denominations had their opinion of it but we were taught that if it wasn't in the Bible then it probably wasn't that important for God to have us know.  That was fairly logical to us and allowed for more freedom.

Maybe I'm just getting older and things bother me more.  Maybe I just need to accept that there is no difference between the people in my day and the people of this day...just the focus of topics change.  Tomorrow (figuratively put), everything bad will be good again and this generation will be sitting where I am wondering how it got so...different.

Anyway, thank you both again for responding; they were both good reads and I agree with, especially the ego, what you said.


What is interesting to me is how many fundies don't read the Bible at all and how many atheists know the Bible very well.
 
2013-05-17 02:53:30 PM
FTA:

Other prominent Christians like Pat Robertson have slammed "Young Earth Creationists" (such as Answers in Genesis), reports http://www.christianpost.com/news/pat-robertson-says-dinosaurs-prove-y oung-earth-creationists-are-wrong-85705/">ChristianPost.com.

"You go back in time, you have carbon dating, all these things, and you have the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time." Robertson said in 2012. "They are out there. And so there was a time when these giant raptors were on the earth and it was before the time of the Bible. So don't try to cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years, that's not the Bible."

OH MY GOD! PAT ROBERSTON SAID THAT!?

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You know you're an ignorant religious lunatic if even Pat Robertson thinks you are full of it.
 
2013-05-17 03:05:57 PM

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.


A very good question.... why?
Why do so many American Christians prefer to go to war instead of helping their neighbor?

Because the school of American Christianity, especially southern baptist and their offshoot evangelicals, are a death cult to be used by the powers that control them. I know it sounds all diabolical... well actually it is quite diabolic since it would seem to be a very live definition of false profits (SIC)leading the congregations astray...   leading them not unto God with Christ's teachings, but instead to worship the mighty, greed, violence and war, oppression and so on...   as they do not in words, but their deeds and their words.

The Pharaohs took to Monotheism because it made it easier to control the message and the masses. Through history the plan is the same...   looking even how Islam and Mormonism have diluted, altered and rewritten the message...  Mohammed sat at the crossroads of trade routes that Jews, Christians, and others passed through, parsed the information and created his own cult, the rulers of the Middle East understood the power of the message, those seeking control understand the power of the message, they know how to manipulate and work it not political power. The Catholic Church was masterful at this in the middle ages, they were the de facto power in Europe because they controlled the message until some folks either saw through it (Martin Luther) or outright opposed it because it stood in the way of their own goals (HenryVIII)...   call it the opiate for the masses or whatever, it hands the wielder of the message control, especially if it cannot be questioned.

back to American Christianity, specifically the hard right, it is funny to me how they claim ownership yet seem to miss the point of Christ. They seem to miss the point of the message, and prefer to relish Republican Jesus without any pause to wonder if they actually get it.
 
2013-05-17 03:10:19 PM
Next up, reddit manages to galvanize WBC supporters
 
2013-05-17 03:20:53 PM

Kome: You can always count on people to divorce themselves of their money if religion is involved.


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I became a fisher of men's wallets for "Bob". At least he's honest about only wanting your money.
 
2013-05-17 03:23:52 PM

Walker: I find myself agreeing with Pat Robertson.....and this scares me.


Even a broken shell of a whackadoo televangelist is right twice a day, or something.
 
2013-05-17 03:56:17 PM
Thanks for the rage-induced head asplosion fark.
 
2013-05-17 03:59:41 PM
Dear Southern US - please secede from the country again.  Please.  We're begging you.
 
2013-05-17 03:59:47 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: If the design is intelligent, why are there Creationists?


If the design is intelligent, why are our testicles dangling on the outside?

/look no further for proof against intelligent design
 
2013-05-17 04:32:08 PM

Uncle Tractor: PC LOAD LETTER: If the design is intelligent, why are there Creationists?

If the design is intelligent, why are our testicles dangling on the outside?

/look no further for proof against intelligent design


Women had to be given SOME leverage against men...typically, men are stronger than women but push that button the right way and any woman controls the man.
 
2013-05-17 04:35:59 PM

Begoggle: Aren't all children required to go to school?  Like actual school, with a certain defined curriculum?
For example, I'm pretty sure in my state, all children are required to take X years of English classes that meet a certain standard, X science classes that are actual science, etc.
Even religious schools and home schooling have to meet some standards.


The problem is homeschooling laws really depend on state, and hardcore fundies will move to states with lack laws.

The homeschooling lobby is also gigantic, which is why we don't have a national baseline curriculum or signed the UN treaty for child's rights (I think I got the name wrong) because it would have required us to develop a national curriculum.
 
2013-05-17 05:00:50 PM

WhoGAS: I still don't get why this is such an important topic for "Christians".  Nowhere did Jesus ever care about creation and all this BS.  He cared about teaching people love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate (etc) and spreading his teachings.

Why can't they spend all the energy on what their "Jesus" told them, commanded, directed them to do instead of focusing on worthless matters that even "Jesus" would hang his head in the most massive face-palm ever?

I'm so glad I'm not constrained by fairy tales anymore (I used to preach) and I can actually focus on love, tolerance, understanding, helping the less fortunate, etc.  But not as "his" teachings, but as a way for the betterment of humanity itself.

/Off soapbox.



Dude, it's like I wrote that. Including the preaching. After the last time I went to church with my mom, and the pastor started preaching out of Deuteronomy, I've been planning on one more sermon: "What Would Jesus Do?"

I wanted to ask the guy "Are you a jew or a christian? A christian? THEN STOP PREACHING OUT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!"
 
2013-05-17 05:44:00 PM
FarkinHostile: I wanted to ask the guy "Are you a jew or a christian? A christian? THEN STOP PREACHING OUT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!"

Ahem...in Matthew 5:17 Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

IOW, Christians....everything in the OT still applies.
 
2013-05-17 07:15:28 PM
I....... I just agreed with Pat Robertson..........
 
2013-05-17 07:52:19 PM
Heh.  The power of the Internet works for all points on the political spectrum.  Imagine that.

This school has only 127 students in grades K-12.  It won't be around much longer.

People agree with Pat Robertson because they want to.  They don't follow his advice because  they know  they shouldn't.
 
2013-05-17 07:56:53 PM

wxboy: jayhawk88: Well this will be fun. These donations and maybe a slight bump in enrollment will keep the school solvent another year, maybe. Then they're going to be back facing the same problem, and what will the solution be? More and derpier tests of course.

I don't know about that.  The worst-case scenario here is that all the recent publicity will result in more students enrolled by parents who didn't realize what a "gem" this school was.  That increased enrollment would sustain the school for several more years.


It's a day school in the boondocks that was founded in 2004.  Local market is tapped out and damned few idiots will  move there to put their kids in that school.
 
2013-05-17 08:04:14 PM

WhoGAS: Uncle Tractor: PC LOAD LETTER: If the design is intelligent, why are there Creationists?

If the design is intelligent, why are our testicles dangling on the outside?

/look no further for proof against intelligent design

Women had to be given SOME leverage against men...typically, men are stronger than women but push that button the right way and any woman controls the man.


The scientific hypotheses.
 
2013-05-17 11:41:04 PM

Astorix: What is interesting to me is how many fundies don't read the Bible at all and how many atheists know the Bible very well.


That's always stunned me as well. I read through the bible cover to cover when I was 12. There'd probably be more atheists if people did that. Though in my case, I never believed past the Santa age...and I thought it was somehow me, that I was just not getting it while everyone else seemed to. Fortunately the religion I was raised in (catholicism) was mostly pretty good about this and my incessant questions. It wasn't until I read Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series that I 'met' another atheist just like myself. James diGriz held the same position I had, and I was suddenly not alone.

Of course, since then I've met many atheists, but as a kid I knew a total of zero. And I'm the only atheist in my family. And yes, that's lots of fun. /rolls eyes
 
2013-05-17 11:56:53 PM

Lady Indica: Astorix: What is interesting to me is how many fundies don't read the Bible at all and how many atheists know the Bible very well.

That's always stunned me as well. I read through the bible cover to cover when I was 12. There'd probably be more atheists if people did that. Though in my case, I never believed past the Santa age...and I thought it was somehow me, that I was just not getting it while everyone else seemed to. Fortunately the religion I was raised in (catholicism) was mostly pretty good about this and my incessant questions. It wasn't until I read Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series that I 'met' another atheist just like myself. James diGriz held the same position I had, and I was suddenly not alone.

Of course, since then I've met many atheists, but as a kid I knew a total of zero. And I'm the only atheist in my family. And yes, that's lots of fun. /rolls eyes


Man, I'm lagging behind you.  I was 16 when I read the old testament cover-to-cover.  I was pretty much dis-convinced of any superstitions by then, but I wanted to know what the fuss was about.  Never bothered to read the whole new testament.  Seemed pointless after that first effort.

Then you toss in HH's SSR.  Seems non-sequitor, but yeah, I found the series to be highly entertaining.  Much like Keith Laumer's "Retief" stories, but a little less over the top.
 
2013-05-18 04:51:59 AM

WhoGAS: Women had to be given SOME leverage against men...typically, men are stronger than women but push that button the right way and any woman controls the man.


Not many women seem to know about that. (probably a good thing)

Also, the bible doesn't seem to care much about women at all.
 
2013-05-18 04:53:52 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The scientific hypotheses.


Just want to mention that the elephant has internal testicles. (and a prehensile penis)
 
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