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(CNN)   Pentagon estimates that only one in four of today's 18-year-olds are fit for military service. The other three have finally achieved what their grandfathers from the Vietnam generation could only dream about   (money.cnn.com) divider line 73
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2013-05-17 08:42:43 AM
Well, ramp up the drone squadrons, because these sweaty lard balls are pretty good with a joystick.
 
2013-05-17 08:44:06 AM
One in four seems high or are they only counting physical health and not mental disability?
From where I'm standing a good 98% of this country are not fit for work never mind active service, due to behavioral, emotional and/or mental incapacity.
 
2013-05-17 08:46:55 AM
Getting elected to Congress and ruining the country?
 
2013-05-17 08:47:43 AM
It is funny, because before WWII it was about the same ratio:  1 in 4 for active military duty.

But it was due to malnutrition.  This is why we have a school lunch program.  Not to make sure kids who would go hungry will eat, so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.

Looks like the cunning plan has backfired.
 
2013-05-17 08:47:48 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Well, ramp up the drone squadrons, because these sweaty lard balls are pretty good with a joystick.


Beat me to it, but I'll say something similar anyway.

Isn't military service nowadays just sitting in a secure location remotely piloting drones? I'd say 18 year olds have a lot of experience with that from video games.
 
2013-05-17 08:48:45 AM
No jobs in your hometown?
Join the military.
Screw trying to find a job in another town.
The military doesn't want free thinkers, anyway.
 
2013-05-17 08:48:46 AM
The Pentagon estimates that only one in four of today's youth are fit for military service. More than 20% of high-school students fail to graduate. Obesity and other medical conditions disqualify about 35% of candidates. Prior drug and alcohol involvement disqualify another 19%, and criminal records disqualify 5%.

It isn't just being out of shape. That is what boot camp is for.
 
2013-05-17 08:49:51 AM
Disgusting fatbodies.
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2013-05-17 08:50:07 AM
Face off: Navy SEAL vs. Marine on Wall Street

I am so sick of these remakes.
 
2013-05-17 08:52:11 AM
Woah, wait a minute.

"The Pentagon estimates that only one in four of today's youth are fit for military service. More than 20% of high-school students fail to graduate. Obesity and other medical conditions disqualify about 35% of candidates. Prior drug and alcohol involvement disqualify another 19%, and criminal records disqualify 5%. "


Those percentages add up to 79%. Are they saying that there is virtually no overlap between those groups? That almost none of those who failed to graduate high school are obese or have criminal records? That doesn't make any sense to me.
 
2013-05-17 08:52:27 AM
Those three will of course be Republican war mongers later in life.
 
2013-05-17 08:53:54 AM
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2013-05-17 08:55:22 AM
So what is it when you factor in the 18 year olds whose parents are rich enough to prevent their kids from ever becoming a soldier?
 
2013-05-17 08:55:58 AM
If you read TFA, you'll see that it's because they have raised standards.  When I got in back in '03, they let all sorts of us fatasses in.  In my 20-man sonar division, 3 of us were overweight coming in, 6 had drug waivers, and 2 more had criminal waivers.  I don't think any of us would get in today.  Funny though, getting out of a war or two really lowers your manpower requirements!
 
2013-05-17 08:55:58 AM

YoOjo: One in four seems high or are they only counting physical health and not mental disability?
From where I'm standing a good 98% of this country are not fit for work never mind active service, due to behavioral, emotional and/or mental incapacity.


Recruiting has gotten really picky lately, particularly among the Navy and Air Force.

The actual breakdown, from the article:

20% do not have a high school diploma (even the Army is turning down guys with GEDs these days)
35% have obesity or other physical ailments (Which means they're too fat to even realistically lose the weight in basic training)
19% have a history of drug and alcohol abuse
5% have serious criminal records

Which is 79%, which is nearly one in five.
 
2013-05-17 08:56:24 AM

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Laugh all you want, but that blubber means they can operate in the artic with limited support since the fat keeps them warm and they can live off it.  Plus more armor to deflect and absorb enemy fire.

And other smaller troops can hide behind them during fire fights.
 
2013-05-17 08:56:30 AM
So on the off chance there's a draft, 75% of 18-year-olds won't have to die on foreign soil to protect monied interests and ideologies that they care nothing about? Keep it up, fatties. You may give us the world peace we have waited so long for.
 
2013-05-17 08:57:25 AM

Broktun: This is why we have a school lunch program.  Not to make sure kids who would go hungry will eat, so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.


And what better fuel for military service is there than chocolate milk, a cup of canned fruit cocktail, and a breadtangle of pizza?
 
2013-05-17 08:59:22 AM
FullMetalPanda:

And other smaller troops can hide behind them during fire fights.

Hmm, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such a combustible mass of grease and fat if it were to take a hit from a grenade, would be like napalm.
 
2013-05-17 08:59:33 AM

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2013-05-17 09:01:42 AM

YoOjo: FullMetalPanda:

And other smaller troops can hide behind them during fire fights.

Hmm, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such a combustible mass of grease and fat if it were to take a hit from a grenade, would be like napalm.


That only means you can weaponize them.  Don't you remember in Rome Total War where they set pigs on fire and set them off charging at the enemy?  If they catch on fire just point them toward the enemy and they charge like a pig set on fire, breaking up the enemy formation causing them to route.  Duh!
 
2013-05-17 09:02:41 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: So on the off chance there's a draft, 75% of 18-year-olds won't have to die on foreign soil to protect monied interests and ideologies that they care nothing about? Keep it up, fatties. You may give us the world peace we have waited so long for.


No, the standards are only high because the Army can afford to be picky. When there's a need, they waive all those standards. You can be a former drug addict, ex-con, high school dropout, that weighs 300+ lbs and get a waiver for all of those if they really need cannon fodder.
 
2013-05-17 09:03:25 AM

FullMetalPanda: YoOjo: FullMetalPanda:

And other smaller troops can hide behind them during fire fights.

Hmm, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such a combustible mass of grease and fat if it were to take a hit from a grenade, would be like napalm.

That only means you can weaponize them.  Don't you remember in Rome Total War where they set pigs on fire and set them off charging at the enemy?  If they catch on fire just point them toward the enemy and they charge like a pig set on fire, breaking up the enemy formation causing them to route.  Duh!


Don't wait for them to catch fire, set them on fire and tell them the enemy has bacon.
 
2013-05-17 09:03:36 AM
Does this mean less wars? Success!
 
2013-05-17 09:03:45 AM

JWideman: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: So on the off chance there's a draft, 75% of 18-year-olds won't have to die on foreign soil to protect monied interests and ideologies that they care nothing about? Keep it up, fatties. You may give us the world peace we have waited so long for.

No, the standards are only high because the Army can afford to be picky. When there's a need, they waive all those standards. You can be a former drug addict, ex-con, high school dropout, that weighs 300+ lbs and get a waiver for all of those if they really need cannon fodder.


Yep, look at what the Germans did near the end of the war.  Old people, kids, retards, anyone they could get to fight to the death.
 
2013-05-17 09:04:10 AM
Having come of age in the Vietnam era, I pretty much think that seeing what went on kept me from joining the military.

/best friend, who's presenting dying from the effects of the war, was a bomb demolitions expert who blew a lot of shiat up. After three tours, they brought him back stateside to teach the 'art' of blowing things up.

//took 15 years of knowing him before he opened up with the stories
 
2013-05-17 09:04:30 AM
The world needs comm center desk lackeys, too.
 
2013-05-17 09:06:50 AM
do we need more than 1/4 right now? Am i missing something? Lupus?!?!? is it lupus?!?!?
 
2013-05-17 09:08:28 AM

RangerTaylor: If you read TFA, you'll see that it's because they have raised standards.  When I got in back in '03, they let all sorts of us fatasses in.  In my 20-man sonar division, 3 of us were overweight coming in, 6 had drug waivers, and 2 more had criminal waivers.  I don't think any of us would get in today.  Funny though, getting out of a war or two really lowers your manpower requirements!


Back in '08, they gave me a new driver who wasn't allowed to drive.  Keep in mind, this was in a light armored cavalry regiment.  He was 18 or 19, and already had three or four DUIs, so his civilian license had been revoked.  He didn't tell us this, and they kicked him out of Driver's Training when he didn't have a civilian license.

He had a shiatload of other personal problems (mainly due to his 18 year old wife who never met a dick she didn't want to suck), and we kicked him out about three months after he showed up.
 
2013-05-17 09:11:05 AM

Broktun: It is funny, because before WWII it was about the same ratio:  1 in 4 for active military duty.

But it was due to malnutrition.  This is why we have a school lunch program.  Not to make sure kids who would go hungry will eat, so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.

Looks like the cunning plan has backfired.


Schools have always had a function of producing tractable soldiers. The ancient Greek gymnasium was for physical and mental training.

Producing potential soldiers is a large rational for today's school sports programs. A huge percent of the military (and police forces) are former school jocks who were not particularly good at anything else.
 
2013-05-17 09:14:09 AM
There's always room for them on the 101st Keyboard Corps.
 
2013-05-17 09:14:26 AM

HairBolus: Broktun: It is funny, because before WWII it was about the same ratio:  1 in 4 for active military duty.

But it was due to malnutrition.  This is why we have a school lunch program.  Not to make sure kids who would go hungry will eat, so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.

Looks like the cunning plan has backfired.

Schools have always had a function of producing tractable soldiers. The ancient Greek gymnasium was for physical and mental training.

Producing potential soldiers is a large rational for today's school sports programs. A huge percent of the military (and police forces) are former school jocks who were not particularly good at anything else.


Too edgy for me.
 
2013-05-17 09:15:42 AM

Broktun: so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.


Now they have an ample supply of gunts.
 
2013-05-17 09:16:41 AM

HairBolus: Broktun: It is funny, because before WWII it was about the same ratio:  1 in 4 for active military duty.

But it was due to malnutrition.  This is why we have a school lunch program.  Not to make sure kids who would go hungry will eat, so the government will have an ample supply of grunts.

Looks like the cunning plan has backfired.

Schools have always had a function of producing tractable soldiers. The ancient Greek gymnasium was for physical and mental training.

Producing potential soldiers is a large rational for today's school sports programs. A huge percent of the military (and police forces) are former school jocks who were not particularly good at anything else.


<Looks at gut>  Haha!  I'm breaking your curve!
 
2013-05-17 09:20:57 AM

YoOjo: due to behavioral


i head a good drill sergeant can adjust this for you.
 
2013-05-17 09:21:30 AM

Sgt Otter: He had a shiatload of other personal problems (mainly due to his 18 year old wife who never met a dick she didn't want to suck), and we kicked him out about three months after he showed up.


In late '06, we had a guy show up who was the textbook definition of "dirtbag". If there was a way for a private to be a farkup, he was it. Couldn't run, bad attitude, drug issues, didn't bathe, just an all-around waste. He'd joined the Army "to try it out" because no one in his hometown would give him a job.

He'd had about every waiver imaginable to get in, and then decided that the military really wasn't for him. You know you were not good at your job when the unit made sure to kick you out right before it went to Iraq.
 
2013-05-17 09:22:27 AM
That's weird, I thought XBox and weed really made one fit and healthy.
 
2013-05-17 09:24:40 AM

Jim.Casy: Does this mean less wars? Success!


No. It may, however, mean fewer wars.

//GrammarFührer
 
2013-05-17 09:26:22 AM

Gonz: Jim.Casy: Does this mean less wars? Success!

No. It may, however, mean fewer wars.

//GrammarFührer


Grammatik Führer
 
2013-05-17 09:37:52 AM
I weighed about 130 pounds soaking wet (I'm over 6 feet tall) when I joined up many years ago. One of the things I remember about the physical to determine if I was fit enough to join was a test of standing up from a position where both knees are on the ground, hands on hips, but not stepping forward or backwards during the process (if that even makes sense.)

It was difficult for me since I have abnormally large big toes, but it took about five tries before I got it right. It was tense, because I really do believe that the army felt that this was a critical test of...something. If I hadn't been able to pass that test, I wouldn't have been able to enlist.

The moral of this story is that if you work in one of those MEPS stations, just kill yourself already.

/11MC2
 
2013-05-17 09:42:22 AM

Gonz: Sgt Otter: He had a shiatload of other personal problems (mainly due to his 18 year old wife who never met a dick she didn't want to suck), and we kicked him out about three months after he showed up.

In late '06, we had a guy show up who was the textbook definition of "dirtbag". If there was a way for a private to be a farkup, he was it. Couldn't run, bad attitude, drug issues, didn't bathe, just an all-around waste. He'd joined the Army "to try it out" because no one in his hometown would give him a job.

He'd had about every waiver imaginable to get in, and then decided that the military really wasn't for him. You know you were not good at your job when the unit made sure to kick you out right before it went to Iraq.


We started chaptering out our top dirtbag less than a month after he showed up from Replacement.  I had to pick up the new guys and take them to our Troop.  I had their files, and we checked their ASVAB scores, to see if they were smart enough to work in the training room.  His GT score was in the low 80s.   His uniform was also filthy, and he smelled like literal shiat.  This is coming right from Replacement.

A couple of guys who had gotten there a few months earlier had mentioned he had been recycled in basic at least twice, and the Drill Sergeants basically gave up on trying to train him, since I guess they were being pressured not to fail anymore guys before the end of the fiscal year.  They gave him a pre-filled Sick Call slip every morning, and sent him down to the clinic to get lost for a few hours, so he'd be out of their hair.

Couldn't PT, couldn't march, didn't bathe, dumb as a farking brick (and his name actually sounded a bit like "Fark It" with a U, if you slurred it a bit).  He showed up for a three-day field problem with no gear, claiming someone broke into his car and stole his TA-50 out of the back seat.  Our First Sergeant took one look at the crime scene, and pointed out that the glass had been broken out from inside the car.  Cue my happy ass driving him down to the military surplus store off-post to buy his shiat back, after he spent it all on Magic: The Gathering cards.

He married his high-school sweetheart over a three-day weekend, and planned to leave her at home and live in the barracks until he had enough in savings to put down a deposit on an off-post apartment and buy some furniture.  Her parents threw her out of their house within 24 hours, changed the locks, and called him to say, and I quote, "That coont is your problem now, come get her."  He had her living in the barracks, and was letting dudes nail her for $100 bucks a pop while he watched and jerked off.

Eventually he went AWOL.  The Troop Commander made a deal that if he showed up for first formation Monday morning, he'd only get a Field Grade Article 15, and not an actual court martial.  He shows up about 20 minutes before his hearing, in civilian clothes.  He left his shiat back in Texas, where he ran off to.  Nobody wanted to loan a uniform to his dirty ass, so our smirking First Sergeant escorted him down to the Squadron Commander's office, where he made an AWESOME first impression in these ridiculous purple, baggy Juggalo pants, and this t-shirt that said, "I SHARTED."
 
2013-05-17 09:44:19 AM

Mateorocks: I weighed about 130 pounds soaking wet (I'm over 6 feet tall) when I joined up many years ago. One of the things I remember about the physical to determine if I was fit enough to join was a test of standing up from a position where both knees are on the ground, hands on hips, but not stepping forward or backwards during the process (if that even makes sense.)


My ex's dad got weighed with his boots on so that he could make weight for the USAF. This was in the 80s, so the rules may have been more relaxed.

Sgt Otter: Back in '08, they gave me a new driver who wasn't allowed to drive.


Jesus. With the number of washout stories you have (and one or two from friends), I wonder how we ever fielded an elite fighting force.

Of course, I'm sure you also know of washouts in private life who put things together once Uncle Sam gave 'em a uniform and some direction. I wonder what the split is...

// best one I heard (besides yours about Pvt Washout who dedicated himself to being a farkup) was about a reservist who kept her weed stash in her rifle's cleaning kit compartment
 
2013-05-17 09:47:43 AM
Perhaps if they see this issue as a national security problem they might fund schools again and pump money in to PE, sports and actually serve nutritious food in the cafe
 
2013-05-17 10:03:45 AM

kindms: Perhaps if they see this issue as a national security problem they might fund schools again and pump money in to PE, sports and actually serve nutritious food in the cafe


But thats communism!
 
2013-05-17 10:09:42 AM
The military is pretty damn picky. I tried to join the Air Force back in 1996, but I was rejected due to having psoriasis, which basically amounted to patches of dry skin on my knees.
 
2013-05-17 10:09:48 AM

Sgt Otter: Gonz: Sgt Otter: He had a shiatload of other personal problems (mainly due to his 18 year old wife who never met a dick she didn't want to suck), and we kicked him out about three months after he showed up.

In late '06, we had a guy show up who was the textbook definition of "dirtbag". If there was a way for a private to be a farkup, he was it. Couldn't run, bad attitude, drug issues, didn't bathe, just an all-around waste. He'd joined the Army "to try it out" because no one in his hometown would give him a job.

He'd had about every waiver imaginable to get in, and then decided that the military really wasn't for him. You know you were not good at your job when the unit made sure to kick you out right before it went to Iraq.

We started chaptering out our top dirtbag less than a month after he showed up from Replacement.  I had to pick up the new guys and take them to our Troop.  I had their files, and we checked their ASVAB scores, to see if they were smart enough to work in the training room.  His GT score was in the low 80s.   His uniform was also filthy, and he smelled like literal shiat.  This is coming right from Replacement.

A couple of guys who had gotten there a few months earlier had mentioned he had been recycled in basic at least twice, and the Drill Sergeants basically gave up on trying to train him, since I guess they were being pressured not to fail anymore guys before the end of the fiscal year.  They gave him a pre-filled Sick Call slip every morning, and sent him down to the clinic to get lost for a few hours, so he'd be out of their hair.

Couldn't PT, couldn't march, didn't bathe, dumb as a farking brick (and his name actually sounded a bit like "Fark It" with a U, if you slurred it a bit).  He showed up for a three-day field problem with no gear, claiming someone broke into his car and stole his TA-50 out of the back seat.  Our First Sergeant took one look at the crime scene, and pointed out that the glass had been broken out from inside the ...


Sounds like this genius needed to spend some time breaking a few rocks at Leavenworth.  A month or two would do him some good...

Meh, I was too short, too skinny, and had asthma, bad knees, and a 750 prescription in both eyes.
 
2013-05-17 10:17:33 AM

Sgt Otter: YoOjo: One in four seems high or are they only counting physical health and not mental disability?
From where I'm standing a good 98% of this country are not fit for work never mind active service, due to behavioral, emotional and/or mental incapacity.

Recruiting has gotten really picky lately, particularly among the Navy and Air Force.

The actual breakdown, from the article:

20% do not have a high school diploma (even the Army is turning down guys with GEDs these days)
35% have obesity or other physical ailments (Which means they're too fat to even realistically lose the weight in basic training)
19% have a history of drug and alcohol abuse
5% have serious criminal records

Which is 79%, which is nearly one in five.



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2013-05-17 10:20:28 AM
It wasn't even a decade ago that you could hang out at any MEPS and watch the waiver freak show roll in.  Quickest rejection I ever saw: *To his recruiter as he walks in the front door* "Sorry Sergeant, I can't go through a metal detector with my pacemaker."

All these standards that have been introduced are ruining the military in my opinion, at least my beloved infantry.  When you stop letting malcontents and drug addicts fill your combat roles, you lose your character.
 
2013-05-17 10:20:50 AM

Sgt Otter: Gonz: Sgt Otter: He had a shiatload of other personal problems (mainly due to his 18 year old wife who never met a dick she didn't want to suck), and we kicked him out about three months after he showed up.

In late '06, we had a guy show up who was the textbook definition of "dirtbag". If there was a way for a private to be a farkup, he was it. Couldn't run, bad attitude, drug issues, didn't bathe, just an all-around waste. He'd joined the Army "to try it out" because no one in his hometown would give him a job.

He'd had about every waiver imaginable to get in, and then decided that the military really wasn't for him. You know you were not good at your job when the unit made sure to kick you out right before it went to Iraq.

We started chaptering out our top dirtbag less than a month after he showed up from Replacement.  I had to pick up the new guys and take them to our Troop.  I had their files, and we checked their ASVAB scores, to see if they were smart enough to work in the training room.  His GT score was in the low 80s.   His uniform was also filthy, and he smelled like literal shiat.  This is coming right from Replacement.

A couple of guys who had gotten there a few months earlier had mentioned he had been recycled in basic at least twice, and the Drill Sergeants basically gave up on trying to train him, since I guess they were being pressured not to fail anymore guys before the end of the fiscal year.  They gave him a pre-filled Sick Call slip every morning, and sent him down to the clinic to get lost for a few hours, so he'd be out of their hair.

Couldn't PT, couldn't march, didn't bathe, dumb as a farking brick (and his name actually sounded a bit like "Fark It" with a U, if you slurred it a bit).  He showed up for a three-day field problem with no gear, claiming someone broke into his car and stole his TA-50 out of the back seat.  Our First Sergeant took one look at the crime scene, and pointed out that the glass had been broken out from inside the ...


That story... It's farking beautiful! I mean, it's like every dirtbag I've known in my nine years rolled into one person.

/I sharted
 
2013-05-17 10:52:07 AM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: It wasn't even a decade ago that you could hang out at any MEPS and watch the waiver freak show roll in.  Quickest rejection I ever saw: *To his recruiter as he walks in the front door* "Sorry Sergeant, I can't go through a metal detector with my pacemaker."

All these standards that have been introduced are ruining the military in my opinion, at least my beloved infantry.  When you stop letting malcontents and drug addicts fill your combat roles, you lose your character.


Funny troll is funny.
 
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