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(Salon)   Media Matters sends out talking points defending Obama's DOJ obtaining AP phone logs so dumb and partisan that even Salon is forced to blush   (salon.com) divider line 22
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2013-05-17 10:12:43 AM  
3 votes:

PawisBetlog: Citrate1007: This is the primary difference between the right and left.  The left calls out bullshiat like this........the right repeats it until their dumb ass base no longer remembers the truth.

inb4 the trolls and dittos start chanting "ONLY CUZ U GOT CAUGHT LOLOBAMABENGHAZIIRSAPBIGGESTSCANDALEVARZ"

But srsly, even though it's being called out and refuted, Media Matters should have scrutiny and ridicule heaped upon it at least as much as all the libbiest libs heap onto Foxnews and the like.


Because Media Matters is a 24/7 cable news channel.  Because Media Matters and Fox News have equal influence.  Because Media Matters claims to report all of "the news."  Because Media Matters constantly stresses that they're "fair and balanced."  Because Media Matters claims that all other news outlets are biased lamestream driveby media, but they, the single largest news media organization, are different.  Pure.  Good.
American.  Because one of Media Matters' best-known talking heads has been boycotted by numerous advertisers because so many people have expressed disgust with him.  Because liberal politicians jump from the "I HATEZ ME SOME MEDIA" bandwagon to well-paying positions within Media Matters, where they leave behind all semblance of reasonable debate and instead simply regurgitate "ZOMG Republican Monster Scandal" talking points.
2013-05-17 11:22:22 AM  
2 votes:
Hey GOP, remember all those times people have posted stuff to you that basically boiled down to "Stop crying wolf, or people are going to start tuning you out completely and when there really 'is' something to be upset about, no one's going to believe you."

Well, you didn't listen.  You screamed and wailed and squealed over every little stupid thing in the world, until every sane soul in America just rolled their collective eyes and stopped listening to you.

And now?  Well, let's just say that if you'd acted 'sane' the last five years, I guarantee you people would be taking this a LOT more seriously.  As it is, most people are skimming it, seeing your involvement and simply chalking it up to the Outrage of The Week.

You were warned, and honestly, it makes me sick.

This is what 'the loyal opposition' is all about, guys.  You're supposed to keep the Democrats on their toes, but you lost your farking minds over 'arugula'.  And mustard.  And gardens.  And the President having a beer.  And the fact that he golfs.  And a thousand and one other insignificant things, all because you ran into a Democrat that didn't have any skeletons in his closet and who has an innate talent for trolling your ignorant asses until you make complete fools out of yourselves on a regular basis.

So, now you're a joke on the world stage and when the Democrats 'do' get out of hand and push too far, people automatically assume it's less than what it might be, because YOU are outraged.  Again.  And they assume it's something on the scale of mustard and birf certificat whar.
2013-05-17 08:50:58 AM  
2 votes:
Which distinguishes them, of course, from other talking points, which are normally non-partisan and rich with analytic detail.
2013-05-18 01:38:21 AM  
1 votes:

TsukasaK: o let's see, false equivalence, outright lies, willful misinterpretation.. yup, smells like right wing scumbaggery to me!


Typical of a fark lib.   Apparently you fail at reading comprehension because you couldn't get past the fact that I was critical of the actions of this administration and completely ignored the rest of the post.
  I wasn't talking about Bush...I've castigated him repeatedly as well as the rest of the GOP.  The point I was making is if Bush did those things you'd be up in arms about it....but because it's YOUR guy, no biggie. You'll defend him no matter what.

Just because it's YOUR guy doesn't make it right.  Wrong is wrong...period.  The real problem is the 2-party system.  That's fine if you hate the GOP...hell, I do.  But that doesn't excuse citizens NOT holding politicians accountable for their actions just because it's YOUR guy.  The GOP did that crap with Bush...defend no matter what.

TsukasaK: Because sending in an air support team is exactly equivalent to a decades-long occupation that has killed hundreds of our soldiers and hundreds of civilians.


Where did I say Bush's actions dragging us into a war was ok?  I was talking about President Obama acting unilaterally and without Congressional approval using military force in Iraq.  The administration's argument?  That it didn't rise to the level of full hostilities so the War Powers Act doesn't apply.

Drone strikes against American citizens with targeting done in secret and without trial? Not a problem, they had it coming.
Problematic, but I'm having trouble dredging enough care from giveafark bay for an AQ operative on foreign soil in a war zone...


How convenient.  Again, you give this administration a pass on something you find problematic.

Lack of transparency? No problem, we trust the administration.
Find me a liberal who is actually saying this.


Do you not read the posts here?  People are buying into the national security arguments for the lack of transparency.  The SAME lack of transparency that occurred during the Bush administration is happening under Obama.

DOJ wiretaps against the press? It's ok, it was legal.
Actually, the consensus seems to be here that it was legal, (and it was) but still not right, you lying cock.


How was I lying?  You just proved my point.  You AGREE that it was wrong, but it's ok because it's legal.  So was the Iraq war (which did have Congressional approval)...but I'm guessing you had a problem with that (as did I).

Fast and Furious? No biggie. It was a legitimate operation,
What.


You have no problem with the ATF walking guns into Mexico to see where they ended up?

IRS targeting political enemies of the President? He didn't know, so it's ok...and besides, the asked for the resignation of the guy that was leaving anyway.
IRS targeting groups who advertise their involvement with politics. Yknow, because it's ILLEGAL to be a nonprofit that's politically active.


Again, this is the same crap that Nixon did....and you are excusing it to because it's Obama.

I'm not saying a liberal should vote Republican or a conservative should vote Democrat, what I AM saying is that if citizens fail to hold their own party and the leader of their own party accountable for their actions...then there will be no constraints on power.  Hell, Congress abandoned their check on Presidential power long ago...so it falls on the People to make noise about these things.
2013-05-17 06:28:16 PM  
1 votes:
Obama, IRS, Olbermann, Maddow, Mathews, Warren: IRS was in the wrong. Partisan left farkers: fark them. IRS targeted a group we despise, so the IRS was right
2013-05-17 03:47:23 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: GOP = Embraces stupid and crazy.  Democrats = Ignores and marginalizes crazy and stupid.


Again, I am sure you see it that way. We both agree that both parties produce morons in congress, but you seem convinced that the DNC ones are somehow equivelant to your eccentric aunt, and the RNC ones are somewhow equivelant to that pervy guy that runs the ice cream truck. And certainly we can debate it for another four hours and swap examples about how it's DNC whackjobs who punch policemen, but its RNC whackjobs who advocate killing abortionists, but DNC whackjobs write letters of apology to Fidel Castro, but RNC loons have ties to white supremacist groups but DNC congressmen used to recruit for the KKK, but RNC guys have hookers, but DNC guys have gay prostitution rings run out of their basement, but RNC guys have bribe money frozen in blocks of ice in theri freezers, and on and on.

So I am content to accept that you think the DNC is somehow imbued with a higher moral standard than the RNC, but I don't agree myself. Becasue, again, I think the artificial conceit of party affiliation and loyalty is fundementally absurd.

And I can't help but wonder exactly how much of your definaition of "crazy and stupid" includes "has a different political ideology than my own".
2013-05-17 02:43:07 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: Tor_Eckman: So both sides are equally bad so vote lizard people.

No, vote for a 3rd party.  Anything to reduce the stranglehold the 2-party system has on American politics.


No, one side is significantly worse than the other side.  If you like one side more than the other, vote in the primary.  If you don't like either side, vote 3rd party.
2013-05-17 02:37:56 PM  
1 votes:

Tor_Eckman: So both sides are equally bad so vote lizard people.


No, vote for a 3rd party.  Anything to reduce the stranglehold the 2-party system has on American politics.
2013-05-17 01:40:01 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: Infernalist: Giltric: Infernalist: So, no one can get rid of the Palins in the GOP except for people like you.

You really think we have a say?

Then perhaps you're better off not being a Republican if they're not listening to you anymore.

So you take responsibility for Shiela "Neil Armstrong landed on Mars why didnt opportunity take a picture of the flag he placed their" Jackson Lee

Or Cynthia "the WTC were brought down with thermite and all those people on the planes were taken somewhere and imprisoned" McKinney?


If either of those two nutballs were my reps or national figures in the Democratic Party, I'd have to agree with you.

But, they're not.  They're fringe nutballs that'll never come close to the national stage BECAUSE of their fringe nutball status.  Their constituents should be ashamed of themselves, but hey, that's the price of local democracy.  If I were in a district with that level of nutball that claimed the same party as me, I'd either move or drop my membership rather than be in the same party.

So.  Again.  The Democratic Party makes sincere efforts to keep their fringe ON THE FRINGE and not on the main stage of the party.

The Republicans embrace their lunatic nutballs and run them as nominees for the RNC nomination for the White House.

Do you see why people have sworn off the GOP?
2013-05-17 01:28:05 PM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Infernalist: As long as the GOP embraces people like Bachmann, King, Rand/RON PAUL and Santorum, they'll never get another vote from me.

So you are completely comfortable with everyone the DNC "embraces"?


Completely comfortable? No. Relatively sure that they won't have a psychotic break and shoot up the gallery? Yes. And I couldn't say that if I were a Republican.
2013-05-17 01:07:36 PM  
1 votes:

Citrate1007: False equivalency.......these aren't really scandals. The worst is the AP one, but sadly it was legal.


So, I guess that makes it ok then.

Point is that liberals defend Obama for things they would have excoriated Bush for.

Use of Force in Libya without congressional approval?  No problem
Drone strikes against American citizens with targeting done in secret and without trial?  Not a problem, they had it coming.
Lack of transparency?  No problem, we trust the administration.
DOJ wiretaps against the press?  It's ok, it was legal.
Fast and Furious?  No biggie.  It was a legitimate operation,
IRS targeting political enemies of the President?  He didn't know, so it's ok...and besides, the asked for the resignation of the guy that was leaving anyway.

I hate BOTH parties (and vote for neither), but especially the hypocrisy of either side defending their guy.  I'll admit that I hate the GOP much more these days for oh so many reasons, but I'm disgusted with liberals for defending this administration no matter WHAT he does.

This really just highlights the problem with the 2-party system.  If you're on one side you feel like the other side is so unpalatable the only option is to defend the guy on your side of the political equation no matter what.  The result is that we as citizens, fail to hold our politicians accountable.
2013-05-17 12:59:59 PM  
1 votes:

un4gvn666: We're the people that actually realize Colbert is making fun of you.


There are sooo many things wrong with your list of assumptions.

Here's a hint: I'm a big fan of Colbert and I don't like the teabaggers.

But I also am not so blind as to think that "the left" is somehow immune from the same idiocy as "the right". As demostrated in this very article.

Citrate1007: The left has it's portion of dumb ass in its base; however, it is not anti-intellectual and idiots are shunned out of the spotlight. That is the general notion I was going for.


I would agree with that in general terms. I am old enough to remember a time when conservatives were mostly intellectual and pragmatic, and liberals were "bleeding heart emotionalists". The elevation of the anti-intellectualism within the GOP (as a result of the over-emphasis of evengelicals, I believe) is one of the most serious flaws with the Republican party of today. fark Palin and her ilk.
2013-05-17 12:37:13 PM  
1 votes:
I can only imagine the spittle-spewing from the right that would have resulted had DOJ not used every legal means at its disposal to investigate the leaks. Eric Cantor would have been screaming about Obama's gross negligence regarding our national security. Mitch McConnell would have been demanding a thorough investigation of everyone from the Attorney General himself down to the janitors. A drunk John Boehner would have been demanding jail time for anyone found to have been involved in the decision making process. There would have been hearings at which everyone from Louis Gohmert to Michelle Bachmann could have their ten minutes in the spotlight, insisting that Obama has eviscerated the effectiveness of our intelligence community. Say what you will about the propriety of the subpoena issued in this matter, but you must concede that at least it spared us the media circus that surely would have followed had DOJ proceeded otherwise.
2013-05-17 12:27:48 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-05-17 11:25:57 AM  
1 votes:
Well, AP had been acting like Fox News Jr. throughout the campaign. If they were acting on orders from the Romney campaign, I'd certainly want to find out about it.
2013-05-17 11:03:00 AM  
1 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: Yeah...less prone to conspiracies....like Trayvon Martin was murdered by white man....CIA sold crack in the hood....AIDS was created by govt to kill minoritirs....Colbert's sister was a great candidate who would destroy the cuckold GOP candidate....


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this one actually happen? Like, we have admissions from former LAPD officers who did the selling?
2013-05-17 10:56:59 AM  
1 votes:

Kibbler: PawisBetlog: Citrate1007: This is the primary difference between the right and left.  The left calls out bullshiat like this........the right repeats it until their dumb ass base no longer remembers the truth.

inb4 the trolls and dittos start chanting "ONLY CUZ U GOT CAUGHT LOLOBAMABENGHAZIIRSAPBIGGESTSCANDALEVARZ"

But srsly, even though it's being called out and refuted, Media Matters should have scrutiny and ridicule heaped upon it at least as much as all the libbiest libs heap onto Foxnews and the like.

Because Media Matters is a 24/7 cable news channel.  Because Media Matters and Fox News have equal influence.  Because Media Matters claims to report all of "the news."  Because Media Matters constantly stresses that they're "fair and balanced."  Because Media Matters claims that all other news outlets are biased lamestream driveby media, but they, the single largest news media organization, are different.  Pure.  Good.
American.  Because one of Media Matters' best-known talking heads has been boycotted by numerous advertisers because so many people have expressed disgust with him.  Because liberal politicians jump from the "I HATEZ ME SOME MEDIA" bandwagon to well-paying positions within Media Matters, where they leave behind all semblance of reasonable debate and instead simply regurgitate "ZOMG Republican Monster Scandal" talking points.


No, because Media Matters is engaging in partisan hackery, and partisan hackery should be reviled and ridiculed wherever it appears, anywhere on the political spectrum, whether it's your stabbing at the heart of your opponent from the castle of your mom's basement, or from a major news outlet.

\for the record, it was not my pee you tasted in your cheerios this morning, look elsewhere.
2013-05-17 10:55:04 AM  
1 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: un4gvn666: BojanglesPaladin: or that the left doesn;t have a dumb ass base

This is actually provably false.

The liberal base is statistically more informed and less prone to conspiracies than conservatives. This should be obvious to anyone at this point.

We're the people that actually realize Colbert is making fun of you.

Yeah...less prone to conspiracies....like Trayvon Martin was murdered by white man....CIA sold crack in the hood....AIDS was created by govt to kill minoritirs....Colbert's sister was a great candidate who would destroy the cuckold GOP candidate....

Yeah Dems and libs don't believe in conspiracies....


Take a poll on all of those things, just as you've written them.  Let's see what libby libz say.

Then take a poll on "Saddam was connected with 9/11" and "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim" and see what rightwingers say.

Also:  "Colbert's sister was a great candidate who would destroy the cuckold GOP candidate."  Two things:  1) Look up "cuckold", it does not mean what you think it means, and 2) that's a conspiracy?
2013-05-17 10:36:36 AM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Citrate1007: his is the primary difference between the right and left. The left calls out bullshiat like this........the right repeats it until their dumb ass base no longer remembers the truth.

You earnestly believe that "the left" does not repeat spin "until their dumb ass base no longer remembers the truth."?

Is it that you think the left doesn't spin, or that the left doesn;t have a dumb ass base, or both?


The left does spin, and the left does have a dumbass base, but tell me what you have to stack up against:

1. Kerry swiftboating (by a candidate who was AWOL from a VIP-only no-combat unit)
2. Obama Kenyan Muslim
3. Obama in partnership with terrorist Bill Ayers to promote terrorism

One candidate derailed on pure lies.  Another survived pure lies, but that didn't stop the spin machine from pushing it well after the campaign was over.

So what stacks up against that?  Bush fabricated WMD evidence?  Bush spent more time on vacation than any other president?

How many Republicans, when polled, still believe that WMDs were found, that Saddam was connected to 9/11, that Kerry was a deserter, that Obama is not an American?

Now list your crackpot theories acribed to liberals, and how many, if polled, would still claim to believe them?
2013-05-17 10:33:18 AM  
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: or that the left doesn;t have a dumb ass base


This is actually provably false.

The liberal base is statistically more informed and less prone to conspiracies than conservatives. This should be obvious to anyone at this point.

We're the people that actually realize Colbert is making fun of you.
2013-05-17 10:31:29 AM  
1 votes:
Media Matters is actually where most of the AP, Chris Matthews, Olbermann, Maddow and Jon Stewart get their talking points from.  Then Total Fark spits it out a day later.

Its funny when you hear montages of reporters from all over the country using the exact same language.
2013-05-17 10:03:15 AM  
1 votes:
This is why there's no liberal party in the US.  There's enough integrity on that side that it would be impossible to fund raise.
 
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