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(Hardball Talk) Video Mets 2B Daniel Murphy smashed a double into the gap - literally   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com ) divider line
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2013-05-17 09:20:04 AM  
Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?
 
2013-05-17 09:20:30 AM  
Dat gap.
 
2013-05-17 09:27:42 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?


It didn't go over the fence, it went through it. No home run.
 
2013-05-17 09:31:35 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?


There have been other cases where the ball gets stuck in the fence (like the vines at Wrigley) or roll under the tarp and they are always "ground rule doubles".  In fact there is a set of universal ground rules as well as ground rules for each stadium
 
2013-05-17 09:39:55 AM  
Double into the gap... first thing I thought of.

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2013-05-17 09:48:21 AM  
Million to one shot, Doc.
 
2013-05-17 09:52:41 AM  
Angel Hernandez reviewed the play, ruled it a home run.
 
2013-05-17 09:55:43 AM  
What kind of cheap stadium has gaps in the outfield walls?
 
2013-05-17 10:53:58 AM  

hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?


Rule 6.09(f):

Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;
 
2013-05-17 10:54:03 AM  

skinink: What kind of cheap stadium has gaps in the outfield walls?


I guarantee the people who were building that thought, "Yeah, I *guess* a ball could get through there if it were forced... but what are the odds that will happen?"
 
2013-05-17 10:54:58 AM  
Oh wow, I hadn't seen that til just now. It went right through on the fly. That's one way to hit it out of the park.
 
2013-05-17 11:11:13 AM  

DeWayne Mann: hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?

Rule 6.09(f):

Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;




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2013-05-17 11:19:43 AM  

WinoRhino: skinink: What kind of cheap stadium has gaps in the outfield walls?

I guarantee the people who were building that thought, "Yeah, I *guess* a ball could get through there if it were forced... but what are the odds that will happen?"


...I think it's an operable partition and the grounds crew farked up. However that would have been a funny plan review.
 
2013-05-17 11:40:20 AM  

satanorsanta: hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?

There have been other cases where the ball gets stuck in the fence (like the vines at Wrigley) or roll under the tarp and they are always "ground rule doubles".  In fact there is a set of universal ground rules as well as ground rules for each stadium


Don't confuse rule book doubles (which apply to all parks) with ground rule doubles which apply only to specific parks.
 
2013-05-17 11:53:06 AM  

Brick-House: Double into the gap... first thing I thought of.

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Clearly you belong here.
 
2013-05-17 11:53:28 AM  
So now the Mets highlight DVD for this year will have at least one decent play on it.
 
2013-05-17 12:07:38 PM  
That's not the gap
 
2013-05-17 12:26:31 PM  
He's going to be the father of twins?
 
2013-05-17 12:29:51 PM  
That was a homer, it went past the fence without touching the ground.

The ground rule only applies to hits that bounce over the fence and in some cases ones that clear the fence off a glove.
 
2013-05-17 12:40:10 PM  
I was more surprised the video didn't start with a thirty-second ad.
 
2013-05-17 12:56:46 PM  

studebaker hoch: I was more surprised the video didn't start with a thirty-second ad.


I wasn't as lucky.
 
2013-05-17 01:01:02 PM  
Mind the gap...
 
2013-05-17 01:01:14 PM  

prjindigo: That was a homer, it went past the fence without touching the ground.

The ground rule only applies to hits that bounce over the fence and in some cases ones that clear the fence off a glove.


I'm siding with the guy who cited the weirdly-specific rule 6.09(f) here.

DeWayne Mann: Rule 6.09(f): Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;


Surprising because baseball's rulebook isn't that thick.  Then again, this kind of thing likely came up more often in the early days.  There's probably a rule for how fisticuffsmanship may proceed if a batted ball becomes lodged in a whiskey flagon belonging to a defender's personal harlot.
 
2013-05-17 01:13:41 PM  
I bet he used to bullseye womp rats back home, too.
 
2013-05-17 01:29:26 PM  
It must be his first base hit in like 3 weeks.

/disgruntled former fantasy baseball owner
//he had a looonnngg 0-fer stretch
 
2013-05-17 01:34:07 PM  

thecpt: WinoRhino: skinink: What kind of cheap stadium has gaps in the outfield walls?

I guarantee the people who were building that thought, "Yeah, I *guess* a ball could get through there if it were forced... but what are the odds that will happen?"

...I think it's an operable partition and the grounds crew farked up. However that would have been a funny plan review.


Yes, that is the spot where the outfield wall opens to allow the grounds crew, budweiser clydesdales, corvettes (think David Freese World Series MVP gift), etc. onto the field.  Having been to that stadium many times, it does appear as if it wasn't closed properly, but maybe that gap is always there.  One in a million shot.
 
2013-05-17 01:38:10 PM  

KoolerThanJesus: satanorsanta: hamfast gamgee: Um, was that a home run?  If not, why not?

There have been other cases where the ball gets stuck in the fence (like the vines at Wrigley) or roll under the tarp and they are always "ground rule doubles".  In fact there is a set of universal ground rules as well as ground rules for each stadium

Don't confuse rule book doubles (which apply to all parks) with ground rule doubles which apply only to specific parks.


Did you even read the post that you replied to?
 
2013-05-17 01:52:14 PM  

chimp_ninja: I'm siding with the guy who cited the weirdly-specific rule 6.09(f) here.


I could've ALSO cited 7.05:

Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance --

(f)Two bases, if a fair ball bounces or is deflected into the stands outside the first or third base foul lines; or if it goes through or under a field fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery or vines on the fence; or if it sticks in such fence, scoreboard, shrubbery or vines;


7.05 is most fun, however, because of things like

(b)Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

or

(i)One base, if the batter becomes a runner on Ball Four or Strike Three, when the pitch passes the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia.
If the batter becomes a runner on a wild pitch which entitles the runners to advance one base, the batter-runner shall be entitled to first base only.

chimp_ninja:
Surprising because baseball's rulebook isn't that thick. Then again, this kind of thing likely came up more often in the early days. There's probably a rule for how fisticuffsmanship may proceed if a batted ball becomes lodged in a whiskey flagon belonging to a defender's personal harlot.

My favorite were the early parks where, instead of some sort of fence, there was just a rope. And the spectators would stand behind the ropes, like at a concert. So if a well struck ball entered the crowd, the umpires had to determine if it went over or under a tiny rope.

Off the top of my head, I think Hunting Avenue was one such park.
 
2013-05-17 01:53:42 PM  

DeWayne Mann: (b)Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.


I've made a huge mistake.

That's actually rule (c). For the record, (b) is the similar but much longer

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril;
 
2013-05-17 01:56:16 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Off the top of my head, I think Hunting Avenue was one such park.


And, finally, I meant HuntingTON Avenue.

I'll stop correcting myself eventually. Someday. Maybe.
 
2013-05-17 02:48:34 PM  
Pete Incaviglia sneers, punches through rotted wood fence.
 
2013-05-17 03:20:50 PM  
MULTIBALL!  MULTIBALL!  MULTIBALL!!!
 
2013-05-17 03:26:42 PM  
it's freaking baseball, no one gives a shait.
 
2013-05-17 03:36:51 PM  

DeWayne Mann: DeWayne Mann: (b)Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

I've made a huge mistake.

That's actually rule (c). For the record, (b) is the similar but much longer

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril;


Wait, you can't do the beer league thing where you throw your glove up in the air to stop a line drive? And if you do, it's a TRIPLE? Oh man, I'm going to piss some people off this weekend...
 
2013-05-17 03:44:31 PM  

phyrkrakr: Wait, you can't do the beer league thing where you throw your glove up in the air to stop a line drive? And if you do, it's a TRIPLE? Oh man, I'm going to piss some people off this weekend...


It can actually be a home run if the ball was headed out of the park (that's rule (a)).

Perhaps even more interesting, if you throw your glove or cap or whatever at a THROWN ball, it's an automatic double. Those would be rules (d) & (e).

And, while I'm looking at this stuff again, rule (g), while for the most part rather boring (it's the "ball thrown into the stands" rule), does include the caveat that it only applies when no spectators are on the field. If a spectator is on the field, it's apparently fully legal to just throw balls at random fans.

Which gives me an idea on how to deal with streakers.
 
2013-05-17 04:04:03 PM  

mrlewish: it's freaking baseball, no one gives a shait.


In other words; "you".

/now fark off
 
2013-05-17 04:24:03 PM  

germ78: It must be his first base hit in like 3 weeks.

/disgruntled former fantasy baseball owner
//he had a looonnngg 0-fer stretch


he was actually 3 for 3 in that game.
 
2013-05-17 04:34:00 PM  

DeWayne Mann: And, while I'm looking at this stuff again, rule (g), while for the most part rather boring (it's the "ball thrown into the stands" rule), does include the caveat that it only applies when no spectators are on the field. If a spectator is on the field, it's apparently fully legal to just throw balls at random fans.

Which gives me an idea on how to deal with streakers.


Randy Johnson isn't doing much these days.  He might enjoy some part-time work.
 
2013-05-17 06:17:29 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: germ78: It must be his first base hit in like 3 weeks.

/disgruntled former fantasy baseball owner
//he had a looonnngg 0-fer stretch

he was actually 3 for 3 in that game.


actually..4-4. He only went 1-4 today, but it was a homerun.
 
2013-05-17 09:37:24 PM  
Filterpwned. 1995 was a good year for attractive and successful African Americans..
 
2013-05-17 10:49:43 PM  
Oh I thought he took one in the balls ...
 
2013-05-18 12:48:31 AM  
Hey DeWayne Mann, I have a dumb question for you that you probably know off the top of your head. If a pitcher throws one in the dirt that hits the batter, is it a HBP or just a ball?
 
2013-05-18 12:57:46 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hey DeWayne Mann, I have a dumb question for you that you probably know off the top of your head. If a pitcher throws one in the dirt that hits the batter, is it a HBP or just a ball?


It's a hit by pitch. Two rules matter:

First, the definition of Ball & its comment:

A BALL is a pitch which does not enter the strike zone in flight and is not struck at by the batter.

Rule 2.00 (Ball) Comment: If the pitch touches the ground and bounces through the strike zone it is a "ball." If such a pitch touches the batter, he shall be awarded first base. If the batter swings at such a pitch after two strikes, the ball cannot be caught, for the purposes of Rule 6.05 (c) and 6.09 (b). If the batter hits such a pitch, the ensuing action shall be the same as if he hit the ball in flight.


Secondly, just to drive the point home, 5.09:

The ball becomes dead and runners advance one base, or return to their bases, without liability to be put out, when--

(a)A pitched ball touches a batter, or his clothing, while in his legal batting position; runners, if forced, advance;

Note that a ball in the dirt is still a pitched ball.
 
2013-05-18 01:14:10 AM  
Thanks, DeWayne Mann, much appreciated. My brother and I were arguing on that during the KC-Oakland game. I was right of course, but wasn't positive enough to put money on it. :)
 
2013-05-18 01:21:57 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Thanks, DeWayne Mann, much appreciated. My brother and I were arguing on that during the KC-Oakland game. I was right of course, but wasn't positive enough to put money on it. :)


For even more fun, while Ichiro was still in Japan he hit a few bounced pitches for singles. There's a video of one on youtube, but the quality is terrible.
 
2013-05-18 01:41:11 AM  

DeWayne Mann: For even more fun, while Ichiro was still in Japan he hit a few bounced pitches for singles. There's a video of one on youtube, but the quality is terrible.


Heh, that answered the other part of the question. My brother argued that once the pitch hit the dirt it was a dead ball. I was sure it was otherwise. Thanks again!
 
2013-05-18 01:43:46 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: DeWayne Mann: For even more fun, while Ichiro was still in Japan he hit a few bounced pitches for singles. There's a video of one on youtube, but the quality is terrible.

Heh, that answered the other part of the question. My brother argued that once the pitch hit the dirt it was a dead ball. I was sure it was otherwise. Thanks again!


Yep. As the comment says, it just can't be a called strike, and if the batter swings for strike 3, the dropped third strike rule applies.

Other than that, it's a normal pitch.
 
2013-05-18 02:31:00 AM  

thecpt: WinoRhino: skinink: What kind of cheap stadium has gaps in the outfield walls?

I guarantee the people who were building that thought, "Yeah, I *guess* a ball could get through there if it were forced... but what are the odds that will happen?"

...I think it's an operable partition and the grounds crew farked up. However that would have been a funny plan review.


Yeah. It's a gate that wasn't shut properly.

Found a video showing it open

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD72nfeBTz4
 
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