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(Huffington Post)   After 29 years, will Andy Kaufman please come home?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 98
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2013-05-16 08:41:24 PM  
he'll still kick your ass Jerry

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-16 08:45:27 PM  
Why on earth would I do that?  I like being unknown in New Zeal...... ugh never mind...
 
2013-05-16 08:47:39 PM  
Five dollar. You pay five dollar now.
 
2013-05-16 09:09:56 PM  
You been here 29 year. You go now.
 
2013-05-16 09:32:55 PM  
Take the times Kaufman readThe Great Gatsbyaloud until the audience hissed and booed. "Would you rather listen to a tape?" he'd ask (they always said yes). But the tape simply turned out to be a recording of him readingThe Great Gatsby.


LMFAO

That's how you troll, kids.
 
2013-05-16 09:44:26 PM  
Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.
 
2013-05-16 09:45:01 PM  
I don't know how accurate the film was, but the scene at the end when he went to the Philippines for a miracle cure, is laying down looking around, and realizes it's all some bogus faith-healing scam... then starts laughing, and it morphs into his own dead body laying in his casket at his funeral... if he got scammed like that, like Springsteen said, "there's a joke here somewhere and it's on me."  That scene freaked me the hell out.
 
2013-05-16 10:03:17 PM  
He was like a young Wayne Gretzky or Michael Jordan, so far ahead of the rest of the world in trolling that he was in a league all by himself. I remember being just as confused as everyone, bouncing between this guy is the greatest comedian ever and hoping someone with thorazine darts and a reinforced straightjacket was close by.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:25 PM  
Didn't he die while piloting the missile that hit the Pentagon? I get so confused about these things anymore.
 
2013-05-16 10:22:43 PM  
Its "years", not "year" submitter but whatever.
 
2013-05-16 10:30:51 PM  

rotsky: Its "years", not "year" submitter but whatever.


I know and I am sorry. I seem to be forgetting a lot of words and letters when I type lately and it's starting to bother me

327 pound women wrestling

Tony Clifton on Dinah Shore

Elvis lives too!
 
2013-05-16 10:36:41 PM  
Thank you very much Andy.
 
2013-05-16 11:41:21 PM  

Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.


Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.
 
2013-05-16 11:56:16 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.


I found him hard to watch, like fingernails on a blackboard.
 
2013-05-16 11:59:40 PM  
Andy Kaufman is alive, he had a sex change is currently writing a blog under the name Victoria Jackson.
 
2013-05-17 12:04:39 AM  

NuttierThanEver: Andy Kaufman is alive, he had a sex change is currently writing a blog under the name Victoria Jackson.


So THAT'S what happened to Elvis.

/it all makes sense now
 
2013-05-17 12:08:42 AM  

Mugato: I don't get why people troll on message boards.


Say what you want about it. At least it's an ethos!
 
2013-05-17 12:37:23 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.


Count me in that one, too. Before my time, I guess.
 
2013-05-17 02:14:39 AM  

Omahawg: he'll still kick your ass Jerry

[t1.gstatic.com image 192x262]




www.onlineworldofwrestling.com

Pencil-necked geeks!
 
2013-05-17 02:19:38 AM  

NuttierThanEver: Andy Kaufman is alive, he had a sex change is currently writing a blog under the name Victoria Jackson.


Andy didn't hear about this one
 
2013-05-17 02:30:35 AM  
Let's pray he doesn't come back. That farker was real annoying.
 
2013-05-17 02:37:59 AM  

Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.


i don't quite see him as trolling. I do think he was quite possibly a genuine Asperger's Syndrome sufferer. His work was innovative and very clever. He constantly toyed with the relationship between the performer and the audience, undermining the trust and expectations that an audience has when seeing a performance.

Of course, for the most part the audience would become infuriated at having their trust betrayed, but he never seemed to notice their negative reaction at all, always assuming that they were just as taken with the cleverness of his meta-joke as he was himself.   His work was conceptual, postmodern. If you take it at face value you'll completely miss his intent. Bearing that in mind, he never did bother to give any sort of indication that he was doing that sort of thing, which is probably why so many people felt betrayed rather than amused.
 
2013-05-17 02:47:42 AM  
He tried to do meta and stuff but sucked at it.  Maybe sucking at it was the purpose but at that point I don't give a crap.  Congrats, Kaufman, I think you suck and I don't give a crap.
 
2013-05-17 02:48:36 AM  

Gordon Bennett: i don't quite see him as trolling. I do think he was quite possibly a genuine Asperger's Syndrome sufferer. His work was innovative and very clever. He constantly toyed with the relationship between the performer and the audience, undermining the trust and expectations that an audience has when seeing a performance.


No one likes to admit it, mainly because they hate her guts, but Yoko Ono is also a pioneer of interactive performance art. Whereas Andy manipulated the audience, Ono would allow the audience to manipulate her. In the end, though, the audience is always the one to come away from the performance either self-aware and enlightened or dumbfounded and confused.

It's a shame Andy's gone now. He probably would have loved Fark.
 
2013-05-17 02:49:31 AM  

JerkyMeat: Let's pray he doesn't come back. That farker was real annoying.




Friends only get in the way.
 
2013-05-17 02:57:32 AM  
The sad part is that his most ardent fans simply didn't get the joke. He's actually dead. The joke is that, even now, no one takes him seriously.
 
2013-05-17 02:59:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a shame Andy's gone now. He probably would have loved Fark.


I'd like to think that he'd eschew it, for the exact same reason. We're amateur hour, on an open mic, killing time before the performers get here.
 
2013-05-17 03:01:11 AM  
Today there is evidence to the contrary. A death certificate, for one.

Those are easy to fake. Just like birth certificates.
 
2013-05-17 03:02:14 AM  

fusillade762: Today there is evidence to the contrary. A death certificate, for one.

Those are easy to fake. Just like birth certificates.


Who would fake a birth certificate? Why would anyone do something like that?
 
2013-05-17 03:13:14 AM  

FormlessOne: The sad part is that his most ardent fans simply didn't get the joke. He's actually dead. The joke is that, even now, no one takes him seriously.




Yet, here you are, explaining the joke.

It's sad, really.
 
2013-05-17 03:18:36 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

i don't quite see him as trolling. I do think he was quite possibly a genuine Asperger's Syndrome sufferer. His work was innovative and very clever. He constantly toyed with the relationship between the performer and the audience, undermining the trust and expectations that an audience has when seeing a performance.

Of course, for the most part the audience would become infuriated at having their trust betrayed, but he never seemed to notice their negative reaction at all, always assuming that they were just as taken with the cleverness of his meta-joke as he was himself.   His work was conceptual, postmodern. If you take it at face value you'll completely miss his intent. Bearing that in mind, he never did bother to give any sort of indication that he was doing that sort of thing, which is probably why so many people felt betrayed rather than amused.




Recognition comes after you are dead. Making a buck off it is for whores.

/whores
 
2013-05-17 03:31:47 AM  
I really liked Man On the Moon. Borderline  JEEEENyus.
 
2013-05-17 03:36:22 AM  

farkingismybusiness: I really liked Man On the Moon. Borderline  JEEEENyus.




Meh. Mental masturbation.
 
2013-05-17 03:51:31 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: farkingismybusiness: I really liked Man On the Moon. Borderline  JEEEENyus.

Meh. Mental masturbation.


So, you just pretend to be an asshole? Hismaterial doesn't exactly transfer to film.
/Ya wanna see Andy? Anybody gotta flashlight and a couple of shovels?
 
2013-05-17 03:59:05 AM  

farkingismybusiness: StoPPeRmobile: farkingismybusiness: I really liked Man On the Moon. Borderline  JEEEENyus.

Meh. Mental masturbation.

So, you just pretend to be an asshole? Hismaterial doesn't exactly transfer to film.
/Ya wanna see Andy? Anybody gotta flashlight and a couple of shovels?




It's like talking about Seinfeld.

/what can I say
//it works
 
2013-05-17 04:03:23 AM  

Peaceboy: I don't know how accurate the film was, but the scene at the end when he went to the Philippines for a miracle cure, is laying down looking around, and realizes it's all some bogus faith-healing scam... then starts laughing, and it morphs into his own dead body laying in his casket at his funeral... if he got scammed like that, like Springsteen said, "there's a joke here somewhere and it's on me."  That scene freaked me the hell out.


From Wikipedia, for what it's worth:

After audiences were shocked by his gaunt appearance during his performances in January 1984, Kaufman acknowledged having an unspecified illness, which he hoped to cure with "natural medicine" including a diet of all fruits and vegetables, among other measures. Kaufman received palliative radiotherapy, but by then the cancer had rapidly spread from his lungs to his brain. His last resort was "psychic surgery", a pseudo procedure performed in Baguio, Philippines, in March 1984.

/That should read "pseudoscientific procedure", by the way. And there's no source for that claim. Typical quality for a Wikipedia article, unfortunately
 
2013-05-17 05:05:50 AM  
Dude was a genius, he got paid to amuse himself at the expense of everyone else around him.

/trolling irl takes a lot more balls too
 
2013-05-17 05:17:48 AM  
Outside of the Mighty Mouse skit, and his character on Taxi, I never liked Kaufman. I also didn't get him. People comparing him to a troll...I get him now. I still don't like it on any level, but jesus that's an apt comparison. He was the first farking troll.
 
2013-05-17 05:19:01 AM  

Lady Indica: Outside of the Mighty Mouse skit, and his character on Taxi, I never liked Kaufman. I also didn't get him. People comparing him to a troll...I get him now. I still don't like it on any level, but jesus that's an apt comparison. He was the first farking troll.


You didn't like the  Inter-Gender Wrestling Champion of the World act?

I thought that was his best stuff.
 
2013-05-17 05:24:42 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Lady Indica: Outside of the Mighty Mouse skit, and his character on Taxi, I never liked Kaufman. I also didn't get him. People comparing him to a troll...I get him now. I still don't like it on any level, but jesus that's an apt comparison. He was the first farking troll.

You didn't like the  Inter-Gender Wrestling Champion of the World act?

I thought that was his best stuff.


I never really saw the wrestling stuff until Man on the Moon, and by that time I didn't like his other stuff I was aware of, so that probably biased me against it. My brothers watched WWF during the Hulk Hogan years, so I was a fan of 80s wrestling as a result. I can totally see Kaufman's work there in that type of entertainment world being incredible. What I don't like about his act is the discomfort factor, and annoyance factor. Same reason I dislike Jerry Lewis's comedies.
 
2013-05-17 05:30:40 AM  

Lady Indica: AverageAmericanGuy: Lady Indica: Outside of the Mighty Mouse skit, and his character on Taxi, I never liked Kaufman. I also didn't get him. People comparing him to a troll...I get him now. I still don't like it on any level, but jesus that's an apt comparison. He was the first farking troll.

You didn't like the  Inter-Gender Wrestling Champion of the World act?

I thought that was his best stuff.

I never really saw the wrestling stuff until Man on the Moon, and by that time I didn't like his other stuff I was aware of, so that probably biased me against it. My brothers watched WWF during the Hulk Hogan years, so I was a fan of 80s wrestling as a result. I can totally see Kaufman's work there in that type of entertainment world being incredible. What I don't like about his act is the discomfort factor, and annoyance factor. Same reason I dislike Jerry Lewis's comedies.


I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. My wife hates rollercoasters. I think she's wrong, but that just, like, my opinion, man.
 
2013-05-17 05:40:39 AM  
It always seemed to me that the only one laughing at a Kaufman show was Kaufman. Laughing at folks stupid enough to fall for it...again.
 
2013-05-17 05:49:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. My wife hates rollercoasters. I think she's wrong, but that just, like, my opinion, man.


Oh totally. It's like, I get the Three Stooges are awesome, it's just not my thing. I can't watch it. The simulated violence, even though it's clearly simulated, makes me too uncomfortable. I CAN enjoy the exact same humor in cartoons like Looney Tunes, because there's no discomfort there. But I think Andy Kaufman was interestingly talented. The world is full of shiatty entertainers who at best get a flash in the pan moment...and no one remembers them later. Some things just take hold. Whether genius or lucky quirk, what does it matter ultimately? I think the impact it has matters more, and I don't think anyone can argue he did have an impact. We still know who he is, after all.
 
2013-05-17 06:13:24 AM  
Taxi was awesome, 'nuff said.
 
2013-05-17 06:26:32 AM  

Peaceboy: I don't know how accurate the film was, but the scene at the end when he went to the Philippines for a miracle cure, is laying down looking around, and realizes it's all some bogus faith-healing scam... then starts laughing, and it morphs into his own dead body laying in his casket at his funeral... if he got scammed like that, like Springsteen said, "there's a joke here somewhere and it's on me."  That scene freaked me the hell out.


Christ, your description gave me the creeps. But yeah, that scene at the end, especially his laugh, freaked me out.  Jim Carrey was great in that film.
 
2013-05-17 07:21:26 AM  
It's time to retire the Michele Bachmann costume, Andy.
 
2013-05-17 07:21:59 AM  

Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.


He could be mildly funny sometimes but usually just liked to make his audience uncomfortable which is funny to hipsters but is not really funny.
 
2013-05-17 07:27:53 AM  

steamingpile: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

He could be mildly funny sometimes but usually just liked to make his audience uncomfortable which is funny to hipsters but is not really funny.


Laughter is a response that the body makes when it's presented with incongruity. When that tension is relieved - like through a punch line - we laugh. Kaufman just took that and ran with it to the extreme.
 
2013-05-17 07:28:28 AM  
The reactions in this thread, the fact that there is a website dedicated to the fact that he faked his death only goes to show how much of a genius he was.
 
2013-05-17 07:32:08 AM  

Lady Indica: . He was the first farking troll.


Ambrose Bierce would like a word.
 
2013-05-17 07:35:40 AM  
You mean it's been done before.
blogs.reuters.com

//All hail the Man in the Moon.
 
2013-05-17 07:45:54 AM  

steamingpile: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

He could be mildly funny sometimes but usually just liked to make his audience uncomfortable which is funny to hipsters but is not really funny.


The lady wrestling thing was funny to me (as a kid) but for the WWF mindset it was good humor, and the audience could enjoy it.  The gatsby thing would have bugged me if I was there, but I appreciate it as funny now.

In short he isn't somebody I woudl liek to see, but I think he did a lot of funy stuff.
 
2013-05-17 07:55:49 AM  
The parallels between the Kaufman conspiracy nuts and the early Christian cults are interesting. The first written records of Jesus appeared about 50 years after his supposed death- what records are we going to see 50 years after Kaufmann's death?

We tend to think of everything in the modern world as recorded and known- but if people started writing Gospels of Andy, talking about how Kaufmann visited the true disciples in 1985, and they propose closed-door miracles of comedy, could the same sort of cult rise up?

What I'm trying to say here is that Jesus was a comedian.
 
2013-05-17 08:00:40 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.


His Mighty Mouse bit was so simple, so absurd, and so brilliant, but everyone's got their own taste.
 
2013-05-17 08:10:36 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: steamingpile: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

He could be mildly funny sometimes but usually just liked to make his audience uncomfortable which is funny to hipsters but is not really funny.

Laughter is a response that the body makes when it's presented with incongruity. When that tension is relieved - like through a punch line - we laugh. Kaufman just took that and ran with it to the extreme.


Except the people who are laughing aren't the intended audience, paradoxically. It was only the audiences who didn't "get it" that he preferred. That way, he was the one laughing at them instead of the other way around ("ha ha! I troll you!"). Rather vicious and nihilistic if you ask me.
 
2013-05-17 08:19:32 AM  
I miss 'Fridays'.

/anyone?
 
2013-05-17 08:26:45 AM  
Add me to the list of people who didn't get Andy.  My brother thought he was a genius.

I have to wonder how he would have been viewed if he were doing his routine now, or even ten years ago.  When he was doing his thing if you were lucky, you got to see it on stage or one of the TV performances if you could catch it live, or in re-runs.  You would read about him in a paper or magazine and go to a performance.  Now with the internet, social media  and 50,000 channels on your TV he wouldn't be able to pull those stunts multiple times because people would have already seen it on YouTube, or run to death on the TV.  They wouldn't be shocked anymore.

/for the record I don't like the Stooges either
//reporter fails completely if they can't find Maddox.
 
2013-05-17 08:30:49 AM  

exparrot: I miss 'Fridays'.

/anyone?


Early Richards !
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

http://youtu.be/GIUxoytpcxE
 
2013-05-17 08:33:00 AM  

Peaceboy: I don't know how accurate the film was, but the scene at the end when he went to the Philippines for a miracle cure, is laying down looking around, and realizes it's all some bogus faith-healing scam... then starts laughing, and it morphs into his own dead body laying in his casket at his funeral... if he got scammed like that, like Springsteen said, "there's a joke here somewhere and it's on me."  That scene freaked me the hell out.


Brrr. You and me, bro. That scene scared/depressed the hell out of me. Probably the first time I realized my own mortality (I'm 32 so I was like 18 when the movie came out).
 
2013-05-17 08:40:52 AM  

BizarreMan: I have to wonder how he would have been viewed if he were doing his routine now, or even ten years ago.


Ten years ago, you had Tom Green.
 
2013-05-17 08:42:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Lady Indica: . He was the first farking troll.

Ambrose Bierce would like a word.


Really?

shiat, then maybe the fans hoping for Kaufman's return aren't kidding themselves.
 
2013-05-17 08:44:24 AM  

exparrot: I miss 'Fridays'.

/anyone?


Much like SNL Fridays seemed to have one hilarious sketch, a couple of meh ones and several bad ones.  My favorite was Nat E. Dred, the Rastafarian Chef.

"Do we bake it?  No no NOOO NO!"
"Do we boil it?  No no NOOO NO!"
"Do we smoke it?  YAAAAAH!"
 
2013-05-17 08:49:13 AM  

t3knomanser: BizarreMan: I have to wonder how he would have been viewed if he were doing his routine now, or even ten years ago.

Ten years ago, you had Tom Green.


You can keep Tom Green.  I didn't appreciate Andy, but I despise Tom.
 
2013-05-17 08:52:17 AM  

BizarreMan: You can keep Tom Green.  I didn't appreciate Andy, but I despise Tom.


Green was the Rent-a-Center Kaufmann, but the style and goal of his humor was basically the same. Kaufmann for the MTV generation. It's hard to identify a Kaufmann for the Internet generation, although 4Chan, collectively, might merit consideration.
 
2013-05-17 09:16:21 AM  
The thing that impressed me about Kaufman (and I suspect is one of the more influential traits of his performances, even if its not widely recognized) is just how long he was willing to push an agonizingly awkward moment/silence.
 
2013-05-17 09:47:26 AM  
What is all the fuss about? He went back to his home planet years ago.
 
2013-05-17 09:52:20 AM  
And then he does something like this, which surprises you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppttxQoc74Q
 
2013-05-17 10:03:33 AM  

Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.


If you're unable to create, infuriate!
 
2013-05-17 10:05:54 AM  
Andy Kaufman is Leon Redbone.

Leon's first television appearance was on an episode of SNL which also featured Andy.
He had Andy's general face shape,. and even a similar mole.
He disguises his face with big glasses, facial hair, a fake nose, and that Panama hat.
Kaufman was known to have singing alter-egos.
Redbone has the same basic build as Kaufman.
His name-- Leon Redbone-- sounds like a Kaufman invention.
Leon Redbone literally came from nowhere. His history is largely unknown and he doesn't discuss it.
 
2013-05-17 10:08:42 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Andy Kaufman is Leon Redbone.

Leon's first television appearance was on an episode of SNL which also featured Andy.
He had Andy's general face shape,. and even a similar mole.
He disguises his face with big glasses, facial hair, a fake nose, and that Panama hat.
Kaufman was known to have singing alter-egos.
Redbone has the same basic build as Kaufman.
His name-- Leon Redbone-- sounds like a Kaufman invention.
Leon Redbone literally came from nowhere. His history is largely unknown and he doesn't discuss it.


And his real name is  Dickran Gobalian so you're onto something here...
 
2013-05-17 10:13:01 AM  
Jesus, just come back already.
 
2013-05-17 10:23:37 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.

I found him hard to watch, like fingernails on a blackboard.


Very much like an early Bobcat Goldwaith. Watching a guy fake a nervous breakdown on stage isn't funny and if you think it (or Kaufman) is funny you lay far out of the norm.
 
2013-05-17 10:25:36 AM  

exparrot: I miss 'Fridays'.

/anyone?


Me too! The Ganja Gourmet and Cool Dick! I
 
2013-05-17 10:30:18 AM  
No. Stay away, Andy. You were never funny.
 
2013-05-17 10:44:28 AM  

farkingismybusiness: I really liked Man On the Moon. Borderline  JEEEENyus.


The movie was ok, it had a great ending.  Most movies don't have endings they just stop.
 
2013-05-17 11:05:19 AM  
I can sing just like Leon Redbone. If I were any good on guitar, I could make a lot of money with a fake mustache and a Panama hat.

I'm telling you: Andy is Leon. Or at least, he  was  Leon at one point. Maybe someone else is Leon now.
 
2013-05-17 11:10:25 AM  
It always astounded me that he would couple his level of trolling with the naivete and innocence he infused with it, but it was the only way he could get away with it.

Way ahead of his time.
 
2013-05-17 11:17:14 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: FormlessOne: The sad part is that his most ardent fans simply didn't get the joke. He's actually dead. The joke is that, even now, no one takes him seriously.

Yet, here you are, explaining the joke.

It's sad, really.


The only thing that's "sad" is watching your lame attempts to troll several folks. You're what I was referring to when I mentioned Fark as "amateur hour."
 
2013-05-17 11:47:09 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: You mean it's been done before.
[blogs.reuters.com image 300x248]

//All hail the Man in the Moon.


FormlessOne: StoPPeRmobile: FormlessOne: The sad part is that his most ardent fans simply didn't get the joke. He's actually dead. The joke is that, even now, no one takes him seriously.

Yet, here you are, explaining the joke.

It's sad, really.

The only thing that's "sad" is watching your lame attempts to troll several folks. You're what I was referring to when I mentioned Fark as "amateur hour."




Well that's a pro zinger right there.
 
2013-05-17 11:58:49 AM  
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
 
2013-05-17 12:01:10 PM  
Andy overlooked the main rule of comedy. If no one's laughing but you, it's still not funny.

If he wanted to do his schtick as performance art then he should have promoted himself as a performance artist. Even his Latka to Elvis act was a blatant ripoff of Jim Nabors' Gomer to operatic tenor routine.
 
2013-05-17 12:16:46 PM  
Bob Zymuda when he was told that Andy had died, said, "I want to see the body in the coffin."   He did.
 
2013-05-17 12:27:57 PM  

rocky_howard: ZeroCorpse: Andy Kaufman is Leon Redbone.

Leon's first television appearance was on an episode of SNL which also featured Andy.
He had Andy's general face shape,. and even a similar mole.
He disguises his face with big glasses, facial hair, a fake nose, and that Panama hat.
Kaufman was known to have singing alter-egos.
Redbone has the same basic build as Kaufman.
His name-- Leon Redbone-- sounds like a Kaufman invention.
Leon Redbone literally came from nowhere. His history is largely unknown and he doesn't discuss it.

And his real name is  Dickran Gobalian so you're onto something here...


Far as I know, Leon was played by multiple people. Which is something that helps make it a good trick. One of those people was Kaufman. Another was Zymuda I think. And I think they mentioned a third that could also do it in a pinch (sharing the same basic build, etc.)
 
2013-05-17 01:11:33 PM  

netringer: Bob Zymuda when he was told that Andy had died, said, "I want to see the body in the coffin."   He did.


So Andy isn't chilling with Jim Morrison in this plane of existence then.  Or possibly the next plane if that one is to be believed.

/remember hearing Ray Manzarek say he wanted to see if a corpse was in that coffin if they'd exhumed Jim Morrison
 
2013-05-17 01:18:17 PM  

Lady Indica: rocky_howard: ZeroCorpse: Andy Kaufman is Leon Redbone.

Leon's first television appearance was on an episode of SNL which also featured Andy.
He had Andy's general face shape,. and even a similar mole.
He disguises his face with big glasses, facial hair, a fake nose, and that Panama hat.
Kaufman was known to have singing alter-egos.
Redbone has the same basic build as Kaufman.
His name-- Leon Redbone-- sounds like a Kaufman invention.
Leon Redbone literally came from nowhere. His history is largely unknown and he doesn't discuss it.

And his real name is  Dickran Gobalian so you're onto something here...

Far as I know, Leon was played by multiple people. Which is something that helps make it a good trick. One of those people was Kaufman. Another was Zymuda I think. And I think they mentioned a third that could also do it in a pinch (sharing the same basic build, etc.)


I think you're thinking of Tony Clifton.
 
2013-05-17 01:36:06 PM  
You think it's a coincidence that that big Kitchen Nightmares episode just so happened to air during the week of his birthday?

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He's really committed. Or, it's not him, she  should be committed.
 
2013-05-17 02:06:45 PM  

Jerkwater: Lady Indica: rocky_howard: ZeroCorpse: Andy Kaufman is Leon Redbone.

Leon's first television appearance was on an episode of SNL which also featured Andy.
He had Andy's general face shape,. and even a similar mole.
He disguises his face with big glasses, facial hair, a fake nose, and that Panama hat.
Kaufman was known to have singing alter-egos.
Redbone has the same basic build as Kaufman.
His name-- Leon Redbone-- sounds like a Kaufman invention.
Leon Redbone literally came from nowhere. His history is largely unknown and he doesn't discuss it.

And his real name is  Dickran Gobalian so you're onto something here...

Far as I know, Leon was played by multiple people. Which is something that helps make it a good trick. One of those people was Kaufman. Another was Zymuda I think. And I think they mentioned a third that could also do it in a pinch (sharing the same basic build, etc.)

I think you're thinking of Tony Clifton.


Nope. Clifton was the red herring. He's the one that they INTENDED everyone to find out was Andy or Bob.  Clifton was testing the water for the Leon Redbone gag's longevity.

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Here's his first appearance on television, on the SNL with Andy as a guest:  http://youtu.be/wZqJ5ogLIGk

Look at the close-ups. It could be Andy with a fake nose, facial hair, hat, glasses, etc.

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2013-05-17 02:44:39 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He tried to do meta and stuff but sucked at it.  Maybe sucking at it was the purpose but at that point I don't give a crap.  Congrats, Kaufman, I think you suck and I don't give a crap.


You don't give a crap sooooo much that you found an article, read it, went into the comment section at a separate website, and declared how much of a crap that you do not give. Bravo, sir or madam.
 
2013-05-17 03:27:57 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Never got Andy Kaufman. Maybe the same reason I don't get why people troll on message boards.

Me neither.  I've never understood the "OMGZ he was a JEEEENyus!!!" crowd.


Make that three of us.
 
2013-05-17 05:05:44 PM  
Andy Kaufman was an anti-performer performer. He wasn't up there to make you laugh, though you usually did. He was up there to make you think, to make you think about the nature of performance, about the interaction between audience and performer. He was a true performance genius - a meta-performer.

The first time my husband and I saw him was while watching Saturday Night Live in the seventies separately in our parent's homes. He came out dressed and acting his "Innocent European" persona and proceeded to put on a record of the Mighty Mouse theme. He stood there nervously, occasionally moving off-beat, until the part "Here I come to SAVE THE DAAAAAY", which he would then mouth with grand gestures before lapsing back into nervous near-catatonia. When the song was over, he said "Tank you berry much" in a high-pitched voice, and walked off. It was stupefyingly bizarre.

When my husband and I saw each other again at school on Monday, after macking for a bit, we asked each other WTF was up with that weird guy on SNL? We became fans and loved all his personas and we were very sad when he died so young. We did not, however, believe he faked his own death, though that would have been right up his alley.

In any case, I can certainly understand the people who didn't "get" Andy Kaufman. He would have appreciated you all the most.
 
2013-05-17 05:09:26 PM  
I don't get Andy Kaufman.
 
2013-05-17 06:05:26 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If he wanted to do his schtick as performance art then he should have promoted himself as a performance artist.


But the label is a huge part of the schtick. His performance wouldn't have meant the same thing if he called it "performance art" and not "comedy". Again, so much of what he did was about subverting the rules between the audience and the performer.

TV's Vinnie: Even his Latka to Elvis act was a blatant ripoff of Jim Nabors' Gomer to operatic tenor routine.


Then again, stuff like his Elvis impersonation, while famous, aren't the sorts of things that he's known for.

//Full disclosure: I don't particularly care to partake of most of Kaufmann's work, but I understand what he was doing.
 
2013-05-17 08:24:12 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: I don't get Andy Kaufman.


Before my time, but he seems like a predecessor to Andy Dick.  Both seems to think comedy is doing whatever entertain yourself and somehow everyone will like it.  Laugh and the world will laugh with you.  In reality most people only find you funny if you appeal to their humor, not show a very specific flavor all to your own.  Andy Kaufman, Andy Dick, Zack Galifianakis, and so many more I enjoy when they are given a role to play and add a little to the character can be very entertaining.  But when they do their own thing that they wrote by themselves are just not my thing.

Now (except for the cussing) Lewis C.K. is just funny most of the time.  On the other hand he isn't trying to be an idiot on stage.
 
2013-05-17 08:45:33 PM  
A lot the folks commenting didn't see Andy progress on SNL and other shows. They only see certain bits, taken out of context. Even the movie was a lot of stuff out of context.

At the time, it was shocking at first, and then frequently hilarious once you were let in on the joke.

Go watch the first few seasons of SNL. Not just the "best of" stuff, but the full episodes. In context, he works a lot better.
 
2013-05-17 10:09:30 PM  
He just changed his name to Neil Hamburger.  I asked Neil, it's true.
 
2013-05-18 02:58:54 AM  
They discussed this briefly on the WTF podcast interview with Sam Simon(former Taxi showrunner) this week. Sam says he's dead and the faked his death rumors come from Bob Zmuda who has an active reason to perpetuate it (i.e. Tony Clifton performances). I'm inclined to believe Sam since he's near death himself (terminal cancer).
 
2013-05-18 09:41:07 AM  
His Troll-fu was so strong that some people still won't believe he died decades ago.
 
2013-05-18 11:11:01 AM  
I used to follow this closely, Andy's brother got a letter from Andy about a year or 2 after Andy died thanking him for being a good brother. Could it all be a prank? Sure but it is interesting. The man was ahead of his time I see a lot of his influence in the Borrat & Bruno characters. The last thing he appeared in was a show introducing Cyndi Lauper and that whole Rock & Wrestling fad from the 80's. It was also a music video show. If he is alive I hope he reveals it to the world so we can all share the laugh.
 
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