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2013-05-16 08:09:10 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom


A gun nut that's in the closet? Why am I not surprised...

Typical liberal finding it appropriate to make gay jokes when it's targeting someone they don't like. I'm betting your're a master with the "N" word towards them brown people you don't like.
 
2013-05-16 08:09:18 PM
I chuckled. Nice.
 
2013-05-16 08:15:16 PM
I'd be far more impressed if it was his knife collection.
 
2013-05-16 08:17:00 PM

Bandito King: I'd be far more impressed if it was his knife collection.


Intruders had guns. You never bring a knife to a gun fight.

DID SEAN CONNERY TEACH YOU NOTHING?!
 
2013-05-16 08:18:26 PM
I have a baseball that has hammer painted on the side of it, so I've got that going for me
 
2013-05-16 08:18:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They believed they locked him up in a closet, but the closet was actually home to the man's gun collection

Now THAT's what I call a gun collection.


His gun collection has its own home?

Yeah, call me impressed.
 
2013-05-16 08:27:20 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Don't be silly, this is america: you're supposed to call the cops for all your legal problems.


Is it too much to ask that in a civilized society you don't resort to lethal force if you can reasonably avoid it for property crimes?

Most "gun grabbers" wouldn't have any problem with this case. This individual had legal firearms in his own home and didn't seek out a confrontation.
 
2013-05-16 08:27:39 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Bandito King: I'd be far more impressed if it was his knife collection.

Intruders had guns. You never bring a knife to a gun fight.

DID SEAN CONNERY TEACH YOU NOTHING?!


He taught me to look before you leap.
 
2013-05-16 08:30:36 PM

duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.


This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

oi44.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-16 08:34:14 PM

Frank N Stein: This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.


I get the playboy and the n64 cartridge, but what's up with the claymore?
 
2013-05-16 08:34:21 PM

Frank N Stein: duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.

This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

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so can you teach me some rex kwon do? is the first lesson still free?
 
2013-05-16 08:36:31 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Frank N Stein: This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

I get the playboy and the n64 cartridge, but what's up with the claymore?


ammo box claymore glock ar-47 ak-15 pressure cooker, buddy.
 
2013-05-16 08:41:41 PM

utah dude: ammo box claymore glock ar-47 ak-15 pressure cooker, buddy.


Well then that explains the U.S. hell yeah pants.

Thanks.
 
2013-05-16 08:43:02 PM

fusillade762: Marcus Aurelius: I can picture this guy in his closet.  You'd be paralyzed with indecision for at least a full minute.  The .357 or the .45?  The Remington pump or the double crow bar?

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Broke into the wrong God damn rec room, didn't ya you bastard!


i love that movie because this couple.
 
2013-05-16 08:44:17 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Everfearful: I respect differing viewpoints.

Not a viewpoint.

If the crooks just sat him down and held him at gunpoint it's a firearm fiesta for them and perhaps a severe beating or worse for him.

Or is he going to outrun a bullet?


How sad you must be that this homeowner was in the end able to defend himself and wasn't butchered in his own home for your anti-gun talking points.
 
2013-05-16 08:45:36 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: I might opt for the flamethrower...


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Use the 50 chain gun, the neighbors will hear it and they will call the ambulance and police for you.
 
2013-05-16 08:49:51 PM

Der Poopflinger: I have a baseball that has hammer painted on the side of it, so I've got that going for me


are you a notary, too? TRIPLE THREAT!
 
2013-05-16 08:52:40 PM
well in about two weeks he'll be arrested on grounds of hate crime and attempted murder.
 
2013-05-16 08:55:49 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Frank N Stein: This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

I get the playboy and the n64 cartridge, but what's up with the claymore?


That's an ammo can....
 
2013-05-16 09:00:28 PM

violentsalvation: How sad


Oh, I see. The fact that it was just dumb luck that put a gun in this guy's hands kinda takes all the fun out patting each other on the back for your extraordinary ability to own a thing.
 
2013-05-16 09:01:51 PM

Frank N Stein: duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.

This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

[oi44.tinypic.com image 494x512]


You may have to die for even owning star-spangled Hammer pants if you use them for anything but cleaning that sweet rifle...
 
2013-05-16 09:02:13 PM

eatin' fetus: That's an ammo can....


That's what they want you to think. When you go to open it.... boom the cheap dresser drawers bring the balls of pain.
 
2013-05-16 09:02:49 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Capo Del Bandito: Don't be silly, this is america: you're supposed to call the cops for all your legal problems.

Is it too much to ask that in a civilized society you don't resort to lethal force if you can reasonably avoid it for property crimes?

Most "gun grabbers" wouldn't have any problem with this case. This individual had legal firearms in his own home and didn't seek out a confrontation.


Perhaps you missed the part where the robber shot at him, for daring to be inside his own home. I didn't know assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder count as property crimes.
 
2013-05-16 09:08:29 PM

OnlyM3: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom


A gun nut that's in the closet? Why am I not surprised...
Typical liberal finding it appropriate to make gay jokes when it's targeting someone they don't like. I'm betting your're a master with the "N" word towards them brown people you don't like.


In what ways am I a "typical liberal"? Be specific.
 
2013-05-16 09:12:11 PM

Luse: Perhaps you missed the part where the robber shot at him, for daring to be inside his own home. I didn't know assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder count as property crimes.


Nope. Read the rest of the thread.

But this "no duty to retreat" has been used to kill people over property
 
2013-05-16 09:16:10 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Luse: Perhaps you missed the part where the robber shot at him, for daring to be inside his own home. I didn't know assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder count as property crimes.

Nope. Read the rest of the thread.

But this "no duty to retreat" has been used to kill people over property


It's really simple. Don't break into someone's house and you won't get shot.
 
2013-05-16 09:19:32 PM

Frank N Stein: duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.

This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

[oi44.tinypic.com image 494x512]


oi44.tinypic.com

You're ready to bust out REX QUAN DO

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2013-05-16 09:20:52 PM

DrewCurtisJr: eatin' fetus: That's an ammo can....

That's what they want you to think. When you go to open it.... boom the cheap dresser drawers bring the balls of pain.


Nah, just an ammo can.
 
2013-05-16 09:21:12 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Luse: Perhaps you missed the part where the robber shot at him, for daring to be inside his own home. I didn't know assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder count as property crimes.

Nope. Read the rest of the thread.

But this "no duty to retreat" has been used to kill people over property


The only one who should have any "duty to retreat" is the perpetrator.
I have nice things. I work hard for them. I have cars, a motorcycle, a nice entertainment system, a good wife, 2 awesome ferrets, and an annoying guinea pig.
If you see it fit to trespass on my property, which btw, is against the law, I have 0 faith in your ability or willingness to follow any other laws. I certainly won't place me or mine in any further danger by asking you whether you have hostile intent or if perhaps you are one of those gentle Robin Hood types. I will respond with as much force as necessary until such time as you see a duty to retreat, whether on your feet or in a body bag I'll leave up to you.
I will defend all who enter my home with my permission against all who enter my home without. (even the annoying guinea pig)
If you have a problem with any of this, I suggest you do not attempt to enter my home without invitation. If THAT is too difficult, please remove yourself from the gene pool.
 
2013-05-16 09:24:32 PM

Frank N Stein: It's really simple. Don't break into someone's house and you won't get shot.


I'm certainly willing to give the homeowner every benefit of the doubt, and like I said previously I think case was totally justified. I'm not in favor of Joe Horn situation shootings.
 
2013-05-16 09:26:31 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Frank N Stein: It's really simple. Don't break into someone's house and you won't get shot.

I'm certainly willing to give the homeowner every benefit of the doubt, and like I said previously I think case was totally justified. I'm not in favor of Joe Horn situation shootings.


Fair enough.
 
2013-05-16 09:28:00 PM
Homeowner vs. Burglar
Episode one - Here's my score card.
Homeowner:
Guns in closet: 1 point
Goes after burglars: 1 point
Two successful shots: 2 points
Burglars run away: 3 points
Success Bonus: x2

Burglars:
Break into home: -1 point
Lock man in gun closet: -1 point
Homie gets shot twice: -2 points
Lose gun fight: -1 point
Accomplices leave you behind: -2 points
Bonus - FPYITAP x5

Homeowner 14, Burglars -35
 
2013-05-16 09:29:38 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Luse: Perhaps you missed the part where the robber shot at him, for daring to be inside his own home. I didn't know assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder count as property crimes.

Nope. Read the rest of the thread.

But this "no duty to retreat" has been used to kill people over property


Yeah...here's the thing...I'm fine with that.  None of the people in your article were stealing food for their family...which would be at least marginally ethically defensible.  They were just dirtbags stealing stuff that didn't belong to them.  They weren't useful human beings, or even just useless-but-harmless human beings.  I refuse to feel bad that they got shot...if that makes me a bad person, so be it.

The ability to NOT get shot? they had it, and opted not to use it.  Mess with Darwin, get what you deserve.
 
2013-05-16 09:41:36 PM

PunGent: They were just dirtbags stealing stuff that didn't belong to them. They weren't useful human beings, or even just useless-but-harmless human beings. I refuse to feel bad that they got shot...if that makes me a bad person, so be it.


These were dirtbags, but I don't think you deserve the death penalty for burglary. If you feel the least bit threatened during a home invasion I think you are justified using deadly force, you have no idea if the intruders are armed or what their intents are. That's not what "no duty to retreat" means. If you a reasonable person can resolve a conflict without having to resort to deadly force (with every benefit of the doubt benefiting the victim) I think this should be the standard.
 
2013-05-16 09:47:55 PM

DrewCurtisJr: PunGent: They were just dirtbags stealing stuff that didn't belong to them. They weren't useful human beings, or even just useless-but-harmless human beings. I refuse to feel bad that they got shot...if that makes me a bad person, so be it.

These were dirtbags, but I don't think you deserve the death penalty for burglary. If you feel the least bit threatened during a home invasion I think you are justified using deadly force, you have no idea if the intruders are armed or what their intents are. That's not what "no duty to retreat" means. If you a reasonable person can resolve a conflict without having to resort to deadly force (with every benefit of the doubt benefiting the victim) I think this should be the standard.


So we are to assume that the burglars are reasonable?

Do this for me. Close your eyes and imagine you heard a sound of breaking glass from the next room. You go to see what it is and there is a 6' 250lb male, all in black with a mask, holding the bat they just used to smash the window. Are you threatened? Would you assume that this person is reasonable?
 
2013-05-16 09:54:13 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Frank N Stein: This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

I get the playboy and the n64 cartridge, but what's up with the claymore?


Besides confusing the ammo can with a claymore... you don't know a Super Nintendo cartridge when you see one?!
 
2013-05-16 10:00:12 PM
Capo Del Bandito:  DID SEAN CONNERY TEACH YOU NOTHING?!

Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.

/yeah, like me. I don't react well to bullets.
 
2013-05-16 10:00:23 PM

Frank N Stein: duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.

This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

[oi44.tinypic.com image 494x512]


Should be a 1911 instead of Tupperware.
 
2013-05-16 10:04:36 PM
DrewCurtisJr:These were dirtbags, but I don't think you deserve the death penalty for burglary.


If you break into a house and threaten the residents, only to get killed in the process, what happened isn't a trial or the proper application of the death penalty. Its a Darwin award being handed out at three times the speed of sound in response to a dangerous situation of your own creation.

/Home invasions all too often end in murders (which can get the death penalty).
/The residents have no way to know if you're a kinder gentler bandit, and no obligation to wait and find out.  .
 
2013-05-16 10:09:06 PM

DrewCurtisJr: PunGent: They were just dirtbags stealing stuff that didn't belong to them. They weren't useful human beings, or even just useless-but-harmless human beings. I refuse to feel bad that they got shot...if that makes me a bad person, so be it.

These were dirtbags, but I don't think you deserve the death penalty for burglary. If you feel the least bit threatened during a home invasion I think you are justified using deadly force, you have no idea if the intruders are armed or what their intents are. That's not what "no duty to retreat" means. If you a reasonable person can resolve a conflict without having to resort to deadly force (with every benefit of the doubt benefiting the victim) I think this should be the standard.


I don't think you deserve the JUDICIAL death penalty for anything; rather, quite a lot of people deserve it, but proving it is tricky.  The death penalty is Constitutional, but our legal system is too error-prone for it to be applied fairly.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:07 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: OnlyM3: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom


A gun nut that's in the closet? Why am I not surprised...
Typical liberal finding it appropriate to make gay jokes when it's targeting someone they don't like. I'm betting your're a master with the "N" word towards them brown people you don't like.

In what ways am I a "typical liberal"? Be specific.


You're a natural born asswipe. Typical liberal, specifically.
 
2013-05-16 10:21:16 PM

way south: DrewCurtisJr:These were dirtbags, but I don't think you deserve the death penalty for burglary.


If you break into a house and threaten the residents, only to get killed in the process, what happened isn't a trial or the proper application of the death penalty. Its a Darwin award being handed out at three times the speed of sound in response to a dangerous situation of your own creation.

/Home invasions all too often end in murders (which can get the death penalty).
/The residents have no way to know if you're a kinder gentler bandit, and no obligation to wait and find out.  .


The way not to get the death penalty for burglary is not to break into someone's residence when they are home.

The law has done everything it possibly can to ensure that burglars don't die otherwise: Spring traps and booby traps are illegal, killer watchdogs are illegal, mining the yard and Terminators are illegal...but if you must break into someone's house and threaten his life, you cannot complain when you die afterward. I know I'm often too realistic for many Farkers (liberal and conservative alike), but really, there's just no other way to put this: Don't want to die? Don't break into homes where there are people.
 
2013-05-16 10:25:02 PM
He should have killed the asshole.  Now he will sue him for injuries when he gets out of prison.
 
2013-05-16 10:27:41 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Penetration or knockdown power? Burt goes for the elephant gun.
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You, my good Farker, win one Interwebz!
 
2013-05-16 10:29:25 PM
I have 2 sweet little girls. If somebody breaks into my home while we are here, I would like to think the perps mama would have to buy a funeral dress. Better them than me, or mine IN MY OWN GOTDAM HOME! You break in to a strangers home, you got whatever is coming to you. You give up any rights you have if you enter my home uninvited, including your right to walk out of here.
 
2013-05-16 10:31:06 PM

Luse: Do this for me. Close your eyes and imagine you heard a sound of breaking glass from the next room. You go to see what it is and there is a 6' 250lb male, all in black with a mask, holding the bat they just used to smash the window. Are you threatened? Would you assume that this person is reasonable?


Like I said before it doesn't matter if the person is 6'2" or 4'2", I think the homeowner would get the benefit of the doubt in most cases. But what happens if you are able to freely escape out the back door?

PunGent: I don't think you deserve the JUDICIAL death penalty for anything; rather, quite a lot of people deserve it, but proving it is tricky. The death penalty is Constitutional, but our legal system is too error-prone for it to be applied fairly.


Even in our system of justice the death penalty is prone to error. I hope you see why I am hesitant to allow people to shoot others when there are other options.
 
2013-05-16 10:32:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I can picture this guy in his closet.  You'd be paralyzed with indecision for at least a full minute.  The .357 or the .45?  The Remington pump or the double crow bar?


I'd go with the .357, .45 has been hard to find lately.
 
2013-05-16 10:35:42 PM

Frank N Stein: duenor: Plan, experiment, plan. Plan your home layout. Install alarms. Plan even for after the shooting.
I do the same for car breakdowns, fires, earthquakes, medical emergencies, witnessing a crime.

This is why these items are always within reach of me. Gotta be prepared for anything.

[oi44.tinypic.com image 494x512]


Two questions: Is that a Walther P99? And I get why you have everything else, but a Super Nintendo cartridge?
 
2013-05-16 10:37:33 PM

Frank N Stein: Besides confusing the ammo can with a claymore... you don't know a Super Nintendo cartridge when you see one?!


No I couldn't see the image clear enough before I got home. And no I don't know an n64 from a super Nintendo cartridge, it's been a long time.
 
2013-05-16 10:37:40 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Luse: Do this for me. Close your eyes and imagine you heard a sound of breaking glass from the next room. You go to see what it is and there is a 6' 250lb male, all in black with a mask, holding the bat they just used to smash the window. Are you threatened? Would you assume that this person is reasonable?

Like I said before it doesn't matter if the person is 6'2" or 4'2", I think the homeowner would get the benefit of the doubt in most cases. But what happens if you are able to freely escape out the back door?

PunGent: I don't think you deserve the JUDICIAL death penalty for anything; rather, quite a lot of people deserve it, but proving it is tricky. The death penalty is Constitutional, but our legal system is too error-prone for it to be applied fairly.

Even in our system of justice the death penalty is prone to error. I hope you see why I am hesitant to allow people to shoot others when there are other options.


Oh, I understand...and any rule we have, humans will find a way to screw it up.  I think I just read a case where a father shot his kid when she jumped out of a closet and startled him; he thought the house was empty.

I just think it should be crystal-clear TO BURGLARS that they can be shot in the course of their chosen profession.  Long as there's no ambiguity, I'm fine with a "reasonable homeowner" standard.

Obviously, you shoot the mailman walking up to your mailbox at high noon...that ain't reasonable, and you're going to prison, and we're taking your guns away.
 
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