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(Opposing Views)   After re-writing history to cover himself, Kansas Board of Education Member Steve Roberts brags about using the "N-word" to fight "political correctness"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 48
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2013-05-16 06:57:02 PM  
11 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: Political correctness is out of hand in general, but to make this your fight is just stupid.


In what way is it "out of hand"? Mind you, I've been hearing people biatch and moan about PC speech for at least 30 years, and I haven't seen any particular uptake in the sort of PC verbiage that people are always claiming. Indeed, the silly sort of PC phrases I tend to hear about are usually people trying to mock the notion of PC rather than real examples (or better yet, personal anecdotes of the friend-of-a-friend variety).

Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.
2013-05-16 06:39:49 PM  
10 votes:
He's not politically incorrect... he's a socially inept racist.
2013-05-16 07:24:28 PM  
8 votes:
Some 'Splainin' To Do:Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.

This. "Political correctness" just basically means "don't be a horrible asshole to other people."

So whenever I hear people biatching about "political correctness," what I actually hear is a person loudly demanding their right to be a horrible asshole.
2013-05-16 07:58:26 PM  
5 votes:
"I'm willing to be considered politically incorrect ... I don't think that's a bad thing"

These kind of people are just the worst. Always male, always white, always saying socially inappropriate things, and always getting away with it because they're male and white and no one calls them on their bullshiat. Always knows everything about everything too, and anyone suggests otherwise is just jealous of him as a man.

He graduated from Mizzou in '82 with a BS in Electrical Engineering, didn't get his Masters of Education until 2007, from something called "Grand Canyon University", which I'm gonna go ahead and assume is a degree mill. He probably subbed a bit in schools, counted helping his kids with their homework so he could say he had 20 years experience, and got himself elected to the farking State of Kansas school board with "Blah blah blah Limited Government blah blah blah Damn Obama", and here we are. Meanwhile my mother, a teacher with over 25 years in-classroom experience, wouldn't get 10 votes if she ran for that same position.
2013-05-16 09:40:25 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-05-16 08:59:33 PM  
3 votes:

Bumblefark: thisiszombocom: Doc Daneeka: This. "Political correctness" just basically means "don't be a horrible asshole to other people."

So whenever I hear people biatching about "political correctness," what I actually hear is a person loudly demanding their right to be a horrible asshole.

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Dunno...I had to work with some hardcore pacifist/feminist colleagues on a research project once, and was asked not to use a phrase like, "bullet points," because language that harbors such violent imagery made them feel unsafe. I was also chastised for using the phrase, "rule of thumb," because those idiots misunderstood its etymology.

Some people genuinely have a right to complain about "political correctness." Playing politics with language in order to enforce some flavor of orthodoxy...that's an actual (and ugly) thing.


Everything has a flip side. There are people who biatch about "political correctness" because they want to use evil, racist or hateful terms and blame their inability to do so on the namby-pamby political correctness brigade. Then there are those who want to be the ones to DEFINE evil, racist or hateful terms as it suits THEIR agenda, and use "political correctness" as the whip with which to enforce it. Steve Roberts and your co-workers are actually doing the same thing, just from different sides: attempting to control discourse and create Newspeak by defining certain terms out of existence.
2013-05-16 07:55:31 PM  
3 votes:
"But it's just a word," says the white guy.  "I'm fighting political correctness!"

Right.  Okay.  Remember that Jay Smooth video where he says context and relationships are important?  Where he says if he's at a bar with his date, and he puts his arm around her and calls her "honey," that's okay, but if you go up to his date and do the same thing, it's weird and you might get punched?  Because you don't have the same relationship with "honey" to be able to use it in that context?

Yeah.
2013-05-16 05:32:33 PM  
3 votes:
but don't you dare call them racists!
2013-05-16 09:17:43 PM  
2 votes:

New Farkin User Name: Harry Freakstorm: Maybe he's 51% African American but the dark gene didn't switch on. If so, I believe he is allowed to use that word. I think a test would be proper. Measure his flaccid penis for length or see how he acts around white women. There's another test involving a watermelon. You take the melon and you start hitting him with it. If he says "Stop hittin' me with dat melon, motherf*****!" Then he's black. If he say "Kindy strike me no further with that melon kind sir" then he's white. Can't use the n word.

Another positive result: Instead of telling you to stop, he'd grab it and eat it instead.


Yeah, we know about it. You know, the reason why what he posted was funny is because he misled the reader into thinking he was going to make a watermelon-eating joke, which is what everyone expected, but instead made a pretty funny and original joke instead. But thanks for the update, Mr. Buzzkill
2013-05-16 09:03:44 PM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: God-is-a-Taco: Political correctness is out of hand in general, but to make this your fight is just stupid.

In what way is it "out of hand"? Mind you, I've been hearing people biatch and moan about PC speech for at least 30 years, and I haven't seen any particular uptake in the sort of PC verbiage that people are always claiming. Indeed, the silly sort of PC phrases I tend to hear about are usually people trying to mock the notion of PC rather than real examples (or better yet, personal anecdotes of the friend-of-a-friend variety).

Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.


That pretty much answers your question.  Political correctness is "out of hand" because bigots aren't free to be bigots without disapproval anymore, and that really makes some people mad.  It's like how in Fark threads about homosexuality you get people saying "I'm not a homophobe; I'm fine with gays as long as they don't shove it down my throat."
2013-05-16 08:52:04 PM  
2 votes:

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: You don't even know what freedom of speech is.


99% of people who use the line "STOP TAKING AWAY MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!" towards people when they criticize the stupid and inane things they say fit this bill.

The First Amendment gives you the freedom to say what you want, with few restrictions, with protection from the Government marching across your face with a boot.

It does  NOT give you the right to be free from criticism and professional/personal consequences.
2013-05-16 08:51:50 PM  
2 votes:

thisiszombocom: Doc Daneeka: This. "Political correctness" just basically means "don't be a horrible asshole to other people."

So whenever I hear people biatching about "political correctness," what I actually hear is a person loudly demanding their right to be a horrible asshole.

this


Dunno...I had to work with some hardcore pacifist/feminist colleagues on a research project once, and was asked not to use a phrase like, "bullet points," because language that harbors such violent imagery made them feel unsafe. I was also chastised for using the phrase, "rule of thumb," because those idiots misunderstood its etymology.

Some people genuinely have a right to complain about "political correctness." Playing politics with language in order to enforce some flavor of orthodoxy...that's an actual (and ugly) thing.
2013-05-16 08:42:21 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not racist, but (looks around) but political correctness has to go.
2013-05-16 08:01:38 PM  
2 votes:
"Hating political correctness"
-typical excuse for being an asshole.
2013-05-16 07:03:49 PM  
2 votes:
I suspect that Steve Roberts watches Blazing Saddles and thinks it's just a western.
2013-05-16 06:56:13 PM  
2 votes:

KrispyKritter: ahh bullshiat. walk down a street in the hood in warm weather. tell me what word you hear the most.

/ but he has a mustache, he can't say that!


No, he's white. That's why he can't say that, and why I can't say it.

Is it not understandable that a denigrating slur might be different when it's coming from someone in the group that has historically oppressed the other group, instead of from one of the oppressed group?

I'm not giving a pass to ghetto culture by any stretch. I think that culture is one of the major things holding large swaths black people back in this country in conjunction with (while sometimes enhancing/"justifying") institutional racism. But I don't begrudge anyone being offended when a white person uses n*gger and not when a black person does, due to the history of the term.
2013-05-16 06:34:46 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone else miss the days when bigots at least had the courtesy to keep their shiat to themselves and their small group of like-minded friends, instead of broadcasting it all over like it was something to be proud of?

What next? They start wearing their white robes when they go shopping?
2013-05-16 06:31:41 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-05-17 08:57:47 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-05-17 12:03:43 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Oh, yes. I had a professor in law school, quite an outstanding Constitutional law scholar, who was offended when anyone used the term "you guys" in casual speech...because women weren't "guys." We had another professor who was so animal rights that he would literally order people out of his classroom if they were eating any sort of meat product in his class.

I never had the latter professor; for the former, I did of course use "you guys" and the masculine gender for neutral pronoun as often as I possibly could. Because I'm just mean that way. If I'd had the other, I'd have had to eat a pastrami sandwich in every class, and that would have been hard on my ulcer.


Heh :)

I think my snapping point in grad school was having a 45 page term paper rejected because, in one instance, I used the term "mankind." I was told I would be allowed to resubmit it if I substituted the phrase, "human kind," per APA guidelines on non-sexist language.

Instead, I submitted a 5-page, intentionally belabored/semi-satirical etymology of "human", which closed on the punchline that "human kind" has the (pleonastic) literal meaning of, "the kind belonging to man" (i.e., "mankind")...and therefore violated APA guidelines.

Oddly enough, the professor didn't find that witty or charming.

/Also, I was kind of a dick student that way.
2013-05-16 10:55:09 PM  
1 votes:
"Political correctness" = "WAAAAHHHH! I can't act like an asshole like my father did and his father before him because now I have to be accountable for what I say!!"

Why do you get that sort of bullsh*t from white males, and  no one else?
2013-05-16 10:44:07 PM  
1 votes:
Dustin Hoffman as Lenny Bruce on the subject (NSFW languages)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnkv76rNL4

Pretty much sums it up for me
2013-05-16 10:01:15 PM  
1 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.


I find that it's about 50% Christian persecution delusions, 30% racism, and 20% people saying valid things but destroying their own point by preceding it with whininess.
2013-05-16 10:00:25 PM  
1 votes:
This guy seems to be a moderate Republican whose reasoning skills are more developed than his social skills. He has 805 videos on YouTube. He's against teaching intelligent design as science. I wouldn't vote for him, but apparently neither would a real Kansas wingnut.

In other words, this is what a Kansas moderate looks like. Moderates ran Kansas for quite awhile, now the 'conservatives' have taken over. Every so often, the Liberals will score a point.

Yes, we have a three-party system in Kansas. It's coming to your state soon.
2013-05-16 09:58:53 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Everything has a flip side. There are people who biatch about "political correctness" because they want to use evil, racist or hateful terms and blame their inability to do so on the namby-pamby political correctness brigade. Then there are those who want to be the ones to DEFINE evil, racist or hateful terms as it suits THEIR agenda, and use "political correctness" as the whip with which to enforce it. Steve Roberts and your co-workers are actually doing the same thing, just from different sides: attempting to control discourse and create Newspeak by defining certain terms out of existence.


I think that's a pretty lucid assessment.

Where "political correctness" went wrong, I think, is when the Powers That Be decided that not upsetting people was the sole criterion for language use. The idea that an adult might want or need to use language for with purposes above or beside phatic communication...somehow, that became unthinkable. And I guess that has mostly to do with where the political correctness movement started -- which, as I remember it, was in the sort of intellectual circles alluded to in my anecdote. That stuff is still very much around. The manners of academic talk are cluttered with that nonsense...
2013-05-16 09:40:16 PM  
1 votes:
Whether you use it as a crutch or a club isn't it about time we just threw it away and moved on?
2013-05-16 09:26:48 PM  
1 votes:
Calling it "the N-word" when you're talking *about the word* is childish and ridiculous, in approximately the same way as actors who avoid saying "MacBeth." Having a problem with *that* is PC-run-amok.

Using the Word That Must Not Be Named in pretty much any other context makes you sound like an obnoxious cretin at best.

DNRTFA but I can guess which one this Kansas edumacationer was doing.
2013-05-16 08:50:16 PM  
1 votes:
Wow. Another entry in the "totally not a racist *wink*" database, here.
2013-05-16 08:44:53 PM  
1 votes:
Politically correct just means always having to say you're sorry!
2013-05-16 07:59:14 PM  
1 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: And in this day and age c*nt can mean a wide variety of things.


So, like any other word -- including n*gger.  The point that I was trying to get across was that the judgment that a word is "obscene" is essentially political* in nature.

* "political" in this context means dealing with politics, that is "the total complex of relations between people living in society."
2013-05-16 07:59:12 PM  
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: Some 'Splainin' To Do:Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.

This. "Political correctness" just basically means "don't be a horrible asshole to other people."

So whenever I hear people biatching about "political correctness," what I actually hear is a person loudly demanding their right to be a horrible asshole.


Whenever I think of "political correctness gone mad," I usually think of Tumblr's social justice warriors.
2013-05-16 07:45:18 PM  
1 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: No those words are simply swear words. No political contect to them.


Assuming you mean "context," I disagree.  Especially with c*nt.
2013-05-16 07:36:13 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-05-16 07:35:42 PM  
1 votes:
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Doesn't see what the big deal is


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Also doesn't.
2013-05-16 07:30:36 PM  
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: Some 'Splainin' To Do:Nine times out of ten, when I hear someone claiming that they can't say something for fear of political correctness, it's because they are  actually trying to say something that is, in fact, horrifically bigoted and feeling put upon because of it.

This. "Political correctness" just basically means "don't be a horrible asshole to other people."

So whenever I hear people biatching about "political correctness," what I actually hear is a person loudly demanding their right to be a horrible asshole.


I live in a state where it is politically incorrect to talk about evolution in mixed company for fear of offending young earth creationists.

But for some reason no one talks about THAT form of political correctness.
2013-05-16 07:27:46 PM  
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Depends on how he uses the word. If its to describe someone he's wrong. If he's talking about the word or using it in the proper context then there is nothing wrong with it
/no, dnrtfa


Yep. I have no problem using the word. I refuse to use "n-word," because I don't want to sound like a 6 year old.
2013-05-16 07:24:41 PM  
1 votes:
Is he defending keeping it in Huck Finn? Talking about not bleeping it in Blazing Saddles when it's on TV? Or is he saying he should be able to say it whenever he wants in order to spite the PC Police? Two of these I can agree with (and don't require him to use the word itself when talking about it). The last one is just plain dumb.
2013-05-16 07:17:37 PM  
1 votes:
Why did he choose n*gger instead of, say, f*ck, sh*t or c*nt?

Aren't those words that are also politically incorrect?  Why not try to test Twitter's reaction to the use of those words?
2013-05-16 07:06:10 PM  
1 votes:
Definition of bigot: person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices...Who does that word describe, the "anti-racist" who follows the line towed by popular media despite reams of available evidence to the contrary, or the person who rejects the popular notions surrounding the propriety of forbidden words, comes to his own conclusions, and acts?
Who is more of a man, the sheep who follows the herd regurgitating anti-racist dogma, or the person who speaks their mind in a public forum, even if this view is unpopular?Niger is just a word.  Think about why it has the connotations it has before you start jumping through hoops demanding you say colored, no black, no african-american, no person of color, no black again.
2013-05-16 07:02:11 PM  
1 votes:
I don't think people would be nearly as offended if these anti-PC people were literally like "what's up my N*****."  The problem is, they mean it to be derogatory, insulting, belittling, racist, ect.
2013-05-16 06:52:18 PM  
1 votes:

robbiex0r: "clinically" ?


Yes. Much like little kids say Hell and then excuse themselves by saying that they were merely referring to the literal place of damnation and not swearing.

One does get the impression that he thinks that it's totally unfair that he doesn't get to use the world whenever he likes.
2013-05-16 06:42:29 PM  
1 votes:
Hey Mister. The 80's called. They said to KEEP that hairdo and mustache. They don't want it back after it's been in contact with your ugly head.
2013-05-16 06:36:12 PM  
1 votes:
What's the matter with Kansas?
2013-05-16 06:33:40 PM  
1 votes:

He's taking it back!


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2013-05-16 05:44:10 PM  
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Wait: Kansas has a board of education?

I'm assuming it's some sort of dart board at which monkeys fling their own poo.


It's an actual board.  It's got the alphabet carved in on one side and on the other side is the Ten Commandments and the 14 Words.
2013-05-16 05:41:27 PM  
1 votes:
That's right, buddy. It's nothing but PC bullshiat, and the world has had enough.  You were close this time.  I bet that the next time you try to use it, it will totally work.  You should be holding a pipe, you know, to make yourself seem more scholarly the next time you do attempt to drop a clinical on the world. That will push it over the edge.
2013-05-16 05:40:59 PM  
1 votes:
"Board" and "education" are big words for a Kansas Republican
2013-05-16 03:35:56 PM  
1 votes:
Wait: Kansas has a board of education?

I'm assuming it's some sort of dart board at which monkeys fling their own poo.
 
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