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2013-05-16 10:01:49 PM

Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.


Yep.  Of course, it's even more hilarious when right-wingers do it, then blame the resulting mess on the NEXT leader in office...

that would never happen HERE, right?
 
2013-05-16 10:06:39 PM

EngineerAU: drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico

Found that to be quite common in much of Latin America, even in large cities like Buenos Aires. The plumbing and sewage systems weren't designed with wads of quilted triple ply toilet paper in mind. Newer buildings usually don't have the problem but if you stay in a historic building, you quickly get use to it.


Actually, modern toilet paper has been designed for years to come apart in water, much quicker than a solid log of shiat, so while maybe 50 years ago when they were making shiat paper pretty solid in latin american, it was the case, but not since the 60s, but in latin america old wives tales run rampant, so people through the shiatty paper in a wastebasket til this day, because of something great grandma passed down, which makes for a nasty smelling bathroom.  My house in Colombia is 40 years old and you can throw the paper down the toilet.

A big problem is that years ago people in latin america viewed toilets as a garbage can and flushed all kinda shiat down it, vegetable peelings etc.

There are many places in latin america you will see little signs"shiatty paper goes in where the shiat goes not in the basket"

I have deuced all over latin america, and wiped profusely and used much paper and never overflowed a crapper.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:11 PM

PaLarkin: Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.

You're right.  The government in Venezuela imposed price controls as a means to keep prices down.  This gets them support from the poor.  The problem is that if the government mandated price is too low, the store doesn't make any or looses money when they sell something. The stores have their own expenses, so there's no incentive to stock something if they can't charge a price that allows them some profit.  The stores have their own expenses and they can't afford to sell goods if they can't make enough money to pay those expenses.

Assume the guy who owns a neighborhood grocery store has to pay 50 cents a roll for toilet paper.  He has to make a living from that store and he has expenses running the store - light bill, water bill, phone, wages, etc.  So he charges 70 cents a roll.  The government comes along and tells the store owner he's not allowed  to charge more than 50 cents a roll.  He looses money at that price, so he sells any he already has at 50 cents a roll.  When his supply runs out, he doesn't order more.


Actually in corner markets and neighborhood stores they charge what ever the market will bear, not effected by price control, most corner markets in latin america will go to a big chain, by the bargains, and then 30-40 percent gross it up for the convenience factor and knowing people will not hit the big box store because latin americans do not buy in bulk, even though it might be cheaper.

So you take a grocery store like Exito in Venezuela(A colombian chain) he nationalized them all and gave the stock away, many people there with small stores, including colombia, would get their stock from them, as distributors do not go to the little bodegas.

/colombian
/worked in venezuela
/translated a 100 page asspaper study into english.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:31 PM

Silverstaff: studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.

Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.


Not to mention really hot women. That ain't an accident. Yeah Socialism!!!
 
2013-05-16 10:59:41 PM
Im seeing a uptick in these...

www.inretrospectpodcast.com
 
2013-05-16 11:44:47 PM
biddybytes.com
Problem solved!
 
2013-05-16 11:50:30 PM
A small group of central planner will never be able to allocate resources properly because they lack the information to do so. It's not possible for them to have it because grasping the desires and actions of millions of other people can't be done. The more vital and less substitutable a good is, the more visible the errors.  Thus we have all the centrally planned economies having problems with toilet paper. It's not like they have sears catalogs either
 
2013-05-17 12:40:11 AM
I remember going to a public toilet in Czechoslovakia. The bathroom attendant handed me three squares of waxy toilet paper. Thank goodness I had smuggled in several rolls of the good stuff.
 
2013-05-17 02:15:51 AM

Source4leko: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?


You can include most of northwest Europe, IMO. It's not communism, nor textbook socialism (the state shall own the means of production etc), but the idea that the state should help it's citizens when they need it and provide an infrastructure that makes life easier in general.

Yes, this means high taxes. Civilization isn't free.
 
2013-05-17 02:53:31 AM
It's a combination of several factors:

1.- Exchange control; in Venezuela you can't freely convert currency, meaning, to import something you need to ask government permission, then wait... then if it's approved (usually only medicine and food is "fast-track" approved - 3 months -) the government gives you the clearance to exchange local currency into USD.

2.- Now, you then set the price, toilet paper, milk, rice, chicken, meat, flour, eggs, bread, etc, are all fixed, and haven't been changed in some cases for a couple of years so you're producing/selling at a loss.

3.- When stock IS available; people would stockpile... then sell in the black market for easily 6x the price; so your good intentions of fixing the price to allow the "poor" to be able to buy it at an affordable price backfires.

In the meantime, the government looks for scapegoats, POLAR, venezuela's biggest "private" food producer makes around 42% of flour and is being accused of stockpiling... what the government doesn't say is that the government owns the other 48% and their products are being diverted to the black market by mafias that resell them for tidy profits....

/so glad I left that place
 
2013-05-17 04:10:00 AM
"[The USSR] ... couldn't produce enough toilet paper. So what one had to do was to take a small piece of paper, say 1 inch by 1 inch. Fold it in half. Then fold it in half again. Now tear the small piece of paper from the corner. Unfold. Now you have a square piece of paper with a small hole in the middle. Now put a finger through  the hole. Now use the finger to wipe your ass. Now squeeze the paper, with the other hand, and carefully slide it off the finger, making sure you wipe all the shiat as you go. Now use a corner of the paper to clean the shiat from under the nail. Practice makes perfect."
  -- Oleg Zabluda (explaining why the US got to the moon first, in sci.space.history)
 
2013-05-17 04:52:41 AM

leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.


Always seemed to me that conservatives had more faith in communism then I did (none). Which is to say while they were terrified, I felt that eventually communist countries would fall apart of there own accord.  Which is what happened as soon as the true believers trying to pound the square peg of humanity into a round hole, shuffled off of the stage. Money quote from a friend of mine, by the time I left (1983) no one cared anymore.
 
2013-05-17 08:33:17 AM

Uncle Tractor: Yes, this means high taxes. Civilization isn't free.


It can be.  I got Civilization 5 for free because a friend gifted it to me when he got an extra copy from pre-ordering X-Com.
 
2013-05-17 09:38:21 AM

PunGent: leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

You're confusing "disgust with Republicans" with "likes big government."

Common error.


There's a pretty high correlation, though. People who want a small government and are disgusted with them are vastly outnumbered on Fark by people who think that the government should be bigger (excluding the military.)
 
2013-05-17 09:43:49 AM
 
2013-05-17 11:28:10 AM
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2013-05-17 11:39:10 AM

Silverstaff: studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.

Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.


No true Farker fallacy aside, I'm honestly looking to see the dividing line on the left as to who is a bug nuts, stupid ideologue and who is just a fark socialist. I have had a ton of debates on this site about the virtues of Marx, Engles, Trotsky, et al., so don't pretend to be all shocked and butt hurt that some one from the left supports these ideals. THAT shows you generally don't know what you are talking about (to quote back at you). When I run across these people again, I will point to this thread and say, "See, even your own side thinks you are full of shiat".
 
2013-05-18 02:35:31 AM
Did someone say "toilet paper shortage?"
www.treacheryisafoot.com
 
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