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2013-05-16 05:35:49 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


It's very popular worldwide. Even in the US where we say we hate big government, any specific reduction is wildly unpopular.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:01 PM
Socialism works great until you run out of other people's toilet paper.....
 
2013-05-16 05:38:37 PM

leevis: The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


Oh freaking Christ. Really?

"Big Government" was not even close to describing the ideology of the Soviet Union. At any rate, you do have a point that Big Government is idolized in the United States by both sides - even those who say they are against it.

Satanic_Hamster: It's a trolling douche, dude.


I kinda figured that.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:47 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


Could you her more specific about what "what means? Also, direct is to one post advocating big government as good in and of itself.
 
2013-05-16 05:43:27 PM
Funny, I was talking about buy "toilet paper futures" the other day.
 
2013-05-16 05:43:42 PM

Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?


Leftist economics.
 
2013-05-16 05:44:40 PM
Oh and if you don't use single-ply responsibly you are a dirty, disgusting ecoterrorist.

Or you have a medical problem. See you doctor immediately.

/not a doctor
 
2013-05-16 05:45:58 PM
You just let it dry and then use a whisk to get all the bits out of your ass hair.
 
2013-05-16 05:47:57 PM

Ned Stark: leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

Could you her more specific about what "what means? Also, direct is to one post advocating big government as good in and of itself.


You don't need me for that, just go to the politics tab and start clicking.
 
2013-05-16 05:48:56 PM
<i>Officials said they will have to import 50 million rolls to meet the demand of what Trade Minister Alejandro Fleming called a "nervous population," </i>

lol
 
2013-05-16 05:49:13 PM

wildcardjack: Might have to develop the three seashells...


I'm almost afraid to ask. Huh?
 
2013-05-16 05:52:27 PM

hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."


You just got pinked, you damn pinko.
 
2013-05-16 05:52:34 PM

hardinparamedic: leevis: The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

Oh freaking Christ. Really?

"Big Government" was not even close to describing the ideology of the Soviet Union. At any rate, you do have a point that Big Government is idolized in the United States by both sides - even those who say they are against it.

Satanic_Hamster: It's a trolling douche, dude.

I kinda figured that.


Central planning
 
2013-05-16 05:52:55 PM

Coastalgrl: wildcardjack: Might have to develop the three seashells...

I'm almost afraid to ask. Huh?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-16 05:58:31 PM
Christ this thread didn't have a chance.
Turn away, travelers. Here there be derpers
 
2013-05-16 05:58:34 PM

hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]


Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.
 
2013-05-16 06:02:04 PM
No matter the failure of the socialist policy, it can always be blamed on a capitalist plot.

"These were people who believed everything about the Soviet Union was perfect, but they were bringing their own toilet paper." - P.J. O'Rourke

hardinparamedic: Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?


The Soviet Union was considered by some (mainly the willfully ignorant) to be very progressive in terms of social equality. A NYT reporter won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on how well things were going in the USSR. The communist pasty in America and many other nations were also huge critics of the negative press on the USSR.

Remember, you're looking back with good knowledge of the truth on life in the USSR. For decades, most people didn't have that due to Soviet policy.
 
2013-05-16 06:06:36 PM
 
2013-05-16 06:06:46 PM
Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.
 
2013-05-16 06:08:51 PM
If you're needing T.P. por tu culo
And you're having tough luck after Hugo
Don't get down in the dumps
'Stead of taking your lumps
I'd say it's high time for a coup, yo

/lo siento, it's a bit of stretch
 
2013-05-16 06:10:07 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico


Found that to be quite common in much of Latin America, even in large cities like Buenos Aires. The plumbing and sewage systems weren't designed with wads of quilted triple ply toilet paper in mind. Newer buildings usually don't have the problem but if you stay in a historic building, you quickly get use to it.
 
2013-05-16 06:10:31 PM

ivan: Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.


cue the four yorkshiremen
 
2013-05-16 06:10:53 PM

studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.


It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.
 
2013-05-16 06:12:15 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


What about prevalence of weird tentacle porn? Any standouts?
 
2013-05-16 06:17:27 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.

What about prevalence of weird tentacle porn? Any standouts?


Paging  Ghastlyto thread number 7753609
 
2013-05-16 06:17:50 PM
It's a good thing that no one told them of the up and coming tampon shortage.
 
2013-05-16 06:19:06 PM

studs up: ivan: Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.

cue the four yorkshiremen


Oh, I have some stories to tell the youth of today. I really DID walk 5 KM to school in the snow. Maybe not barefoot, but in very very unfashionable footwear.
 
2013-05-16 06:20:12 PM
Limiting price at too low a level decreases supply and causes shortages. Limiting prices to too high a level decreases demand and creates surpluses. Both types of government intervention are detrimental, and the same rules go for the prices of products as well as the price of labor.

/some limitations apply, including the elasticity of demand
 
2013-05-16 06:21:32 PM

mikewadestr: It's a good thing that no one told them of the up and coming tampon shortage.


This is bad, really bad. We don't have the economic strength right now stand up to a reinvigorated Red Army!
 
2013-05-16 06:27:50 PM
People are hoarding. People hoard when they expect something bad to happen.

Basically, their economy is collapsing because the commies are finally running out of other people's money.
 
2013-05-16 06:30:38 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


fair enough
 
2013-05-16 06:31:27 PM

studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.


How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?
 
2013-05-16 06:34:56 PM

Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?


So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?
 
2013-05-16 06:41:20 PM
s23.postimg.org
 
2013-05-16 06:41:21 PM
Obama
 
2013-05-16 06:46:19 PM
So I guess they're out of phone books, too?
 
2013-05-16 06:59:58 PM
They have toilets there?
 
2013-05-16 07:01:37 PM

studs up: Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?

So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?


Denmark. The Netherlands. Australia?
 
2013-05-16 07:12:08 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


Interesting coincidence that Japan has the highest debt as % of GDP on the planet.
 
2013-05-16 07:23:49 PM

puppetmaster745: Limiting price at too low a level decreases supply and causes shortages. Limiting prices to too high a level decreases demand and creates surpluses. Both types of government intervention are detrimental, and the same rules go for the prices of products as well as the price of labor.

/some limitations apply, including the elasticity of demand




Or you're a utility company and charge a surcharge to adjust.
 
2013-05-16 07:26:55 PM

fusillade762: studs up: Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?

So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?

Denmark. The Netherlands. Australia?


Australia? Really? OK...

Would you consider these countries [Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland (just to cap off the Nordic swath), Japan, Switzerland, and apparently Australia] to be leftist governments or center left democracies?
If you want to say that these are successful center left capitalists, I think you'll find agreement. If you want to call these havens of Marxists victories, you may find strong disagreements.
Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.
Center left capitalists however, seem to be able to walk a fine line between redistribution and freedom. Sometimes it works, sometimes it over reaches. The center right constantly struggles to allow more freedom as a counter balance in these govts. This struggle between the center left and center right are good for there people to establish both freedom and security in balance.
These Che Guevara loving morons should be mocked at every opportunity including the South American swath of leftist failures.
 
2013-05-16 07:34:01 PM
Let them use cake.
 
2013-05-16 07:40:06 PM

BlackMtnMan: Let them use cake.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-16 07:43:35 PM

wolfpaq777: <i>Officials said they will have to import 50 million rolls to meet the demand of what Trade Minister Alejandro Fleming called a "nervous population," </i>


I was going to submit that with the headline "Venezuelans Flush With Toilet Paper" but couldn't Fark from work.
 
2013-05-16 07:51:54 PM
Surely they aren't out of bibles too?
 
2013-05-16 08:28:37 PM

studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.


Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.
 
2013-05-16 08:51:05 PM

Russ1642: You just let it dry and then use a whisk to get all the bits out of your ass hair.


Damn. Now thats manly.
 
2013-05-16 08:56:17 PM

Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.


You're right.  The government in Venezuela imposed price controls as a means to keep prices down.  This gets them support from the poor.  The problem is that if the government mandated price is too low, the store doesn't make any or looses money when they sell something. The stores have their own expenses, so there's no incentive to stock something if they can't charge a price that allows them some profit.  The stores have their own expenses and they can't afford to sell goods if they can't make enough money to pay those expenses.

Assume the guy who owns a neighborhood grocery store has to pay 50 cents a roll for toilet paper.  He has to make a living from that store and he has expenses running the store - light bill, water bill, phone, wages, etc.  So he charges 70 cents a roll.  The government comes along and tells the store owner he's not allowed  to charge more than 50 cents a roll.  He looses money at that price, so he sells any he already has at 50 cents a roll.  When his supply runs out, he doesn't order more.
 
2013-05-16 09:13:10 PM

Mrbogey: The Soviet Union was considered by some (mainly the willfully ignorant) to be very progressive in terms of social equality. A NYT reporter won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on how well things were going in the USSR. The communist pasty in America and many other nations were also huge critics of the negative press on the USSR.

Remember, you're looking back with good knowledge of the truth on life in the USSR. For decades, most people didn't have that due to Soviet policy.


It's an interesting bit of history.  Duranty's writing was during the Great Depression, so there's naturally going to be a lot of 'grass is greener' eyeballing going around.  Particularly when most of the news is coming from Pravda sources and information flow was limited. Just like there was a lot of 'grass is greener' interest in Hitler and Mussolini's experiments.

There also was some kernel of truth to it.  Lenin-era (and slightly before) Russia/USSR  was and  is an amazing story if you overlook the crushing human toll of it.  Russia was basically a medieval serf society just a few years pre-WWI.   Give half the credit to WWI and half to Lenin, but you went from 'hole in the ground' to one of the 3-4 world power industrial states in about 25 years.  After that kind of run, some of the ludicrous promises seemed... almost believable.
 
2013-05-16 09:54:38 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


You're confusing "disgust with Republicans" with "likes big government."

Common error.
 
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