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2013-05-16 12:16:45 PM
That is a sh*tty problem to have.
 
2013-05-16 01:00:48 PM
Oh Communism... what a great system whereby resources are distributed from those that have to those that need... except they can't seem to get toilet paper right.
Seems like everyone needs toilet paper, so you can't just 'take it' from those that have.
img1-cdn.newser.com
 
2013-05-16 01:20:52 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
Do not anger the almighty bunghole!
 
2013-05-16 03:00:57 PM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Can you spare a square?
 
2013-05-16 03:06:22 PM
I am too, and I'm really not sure when I'm going to be able to pick any up. Working late, then have to go get tire replaced, inspection, oil change, then there's the two dogs who will have to be walked, then I'll have to have a beer.

Meh, I got paper towels. Tear them up in quarters.
 
2013-05-16 03:12:05 PM
I need TP for my bunghole.
 
2013-05-16 03:14:23 PM
Socialism.
 
2013-05-16 03:34:55 PM
An entire shipment wiped out in nothing flat
 
2013-05-16 03:47:13 PM
I blame Johnny Carson
 
2013-05-16 04:14:43 PM
Bad ass.
 
2013-05-16 04:39:15 PM
They have a hurricane or something?
 
2013-05-16 04:45:41 PM
The phone is ringing
I cannot linger
so look out butt
here comes my finger
 
2013-05-16 04:46:08 PM
Laundry day is going to be hell.
 
2013-05-16 04:46:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-16 04:46:26 PM
In college my roommates and I had a system of buying a large pack and when it was out the next guy bought and so on. When it came to the third guy he refused, so we just kept our respected rolls in our rooms and brought it with when needed. Now one day we knew there was no tp in there and third guy goes in for a while. The filthy beast turned on the shower and used his hand! He was from India, don't know if that had anything to do with it. He finally cracked and gave in to buying because that was so much of a hassle and the shiat we would give him.
/puns intended.
 
2013-05-16 04:49:48 PM
Ahh price controls. Trying to force people to sell things below cost will only lead to people not selling things.
 
2013-05-16 04:50:27 PM
It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."
 
2013-05-16 04:50:37 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

/problem?
 
2013-05-16 04:50:51 PM
Might have to develop the three seashells...

www.poopreport.com
 
2013-05-16 04:52:08 PM
I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico
 
2013-05-16 04:53:22 PM
According to BBC News, it's not just toilet paper.

The country is also experiencing shortages of milk, sugar, cooking oil, and cornflour.

"According to data from Venezuela's Central Bank, the scarcity index rose to 21% last month, the highest since the bank started tracking the measure in 2009.This means that out of 100 goods, 21 are not available."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22526622
 
2013-05-16 04:54:39 PM
stanfordflipside.com
Use it.
 
2013-05-16 04:55:17 PM
They should eat more fiber - no wiping required.
 
2013-05-16 04:59:19 PM

NostroZ: Seems like everyone needs toilet paper, so you can't just 'take it' from those that have.


Well, no, most of the world uses toilet paper rarely if ever.  Left hand and water is more common.  As I recall, bidets were extremely common in Venez, but I'm not sure how much of that was just Caracas versus the poorer countryside.
 
2013-05-16 05:04:12 PM

hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."


Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

i1074.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-16 05:04:15 PM
Now that we are producing bio-fuel from corn, there should be lots of corn cobs left over. Problem solved.

/Hopefully there will be the correct ratio of red to white cobs helping to cut down on wasted cobs.
 
2013-05-16 05:04:26 PM
Time to pass out the 3 seashells.
 
2013-05-16 05:04:33 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [stanfordflipside.com image 800x703]
Use it.


I'm pretty certain the worldwide revulsion of lefties is the result of using the other hand for such business.
 
2013-05-16 05:04:53 PM
Stranded....on the toilet bowl.
What do you do when you're stranded
Without any roll...
To prove you're a man
You must wipe it with you hand.
 
2013-05-16 05:09:41 PM
They should use Dave Carnie from Big Brother Magazine's life changing method. NSFW
 
2013-05-16 05:11:42 PM
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2013-05-16 05:15:21 PM
www.tshirtlaundry.com
 
2013-05-16 05:15:39 PM
Dummies, I just use a sponge. Over and over and over and over again. I keep it under the sink. America #1!
 
2013-05-16 05:16:42 PM

hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]


He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.
 
2013-05-16 05:18:11 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico


I had a brother in law that worked at Inland Steel in NW Indiana tell me about the Mexicans there that did that. The bathrooms constantly stunk because of it.
 
2013-05-16 05:18:31 PM
Reading Finnish is surprisingly unnecessary to get the drift.
 
2013-05-16 05:18:33 PM

leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.


Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.
 
2013-05-16 05:19:15 PM

farkingismybusiness: They should use Dave Carnie from Big Brother Magazine's life changing method. NSFW


Or not.
 
2013-05-16 05:20:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKCkPKYO0dI">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=pKCkPKYO0dI
 
2013-05-16 05:20:19 PM

Lawnchair: Reading Finnish is surprisingly unnecessary to get the drift.


Sorry, mispost.

img211.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-16 05:20:25 PM
At least it's better than Somalia right?  Right?

Ahh, that'll teach the teapublicans.
 
2013-05-16 05:21:41 PM

lockers: Trying to force people to sell things below cost will only lead to people not selling things.


Not if you threaten them with imprisonment.

/ problem solved
 
2013-05-16 05:32:15 PM

hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.


The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.
 
2013-05-16 05:32:17 PM

hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."


...after they adopted capitalism and broke up.

LOL.
 
2013-05-16 05:32:22 PM

hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]


It's a trolling douche, dude.
 
2013-05-16 05:32:42 PM

Lawnchair: Lawnchair: Reading Finnish is surprisingly unnecessary to get the drift.

Sorry, mispost.

[img211.imageshack.us image 800x528]


That is the most disturbing photo of Captain Kangaroo I have ever seen.
 
2013-05-16 05:32:56 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I am too, and I'm really not sure when I'm going to be able to pick any up. Working late, then have to go get tire replaced, inspection, oil change, then there's the two dogs who will have to be walked, then I'll have to have a beer.

Meh, I got paper towels. Tear them up in quarters.


Don't forget to split the ply first also!
 
2013-05-16 05:33:15 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [hand.jpg]

WRONG! That's WRONG! The Muzzies require that you use your LEFT hand for wiping your ass, and the right hand for everything else.

/all they had was sand, no water....
 
2013-05-16 05:35:10 PM
That's because they used it all cleaning up after Chavez.
 
2013-05-16 05:35:39 PM

super_grass: At least it's better than Somalia right?  Right?

Ahh, that'll teach the teapublicans.


They wipe their asses with AK-47s.
 
2013-05-16 05:35:49 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


It's very popular worldwide. Even in the US where we say we hate big government, any specific reduction is wildly unpopular.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:01 PM
Socialism works great until you run out of other people's toilet paper.....
 
2013-05-16 05:38:37 PM

leevis: The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


Oh freaking Christ. Really?

"Big Government" was not even close to describing the ideology of the Soviet Union. At any rate, you do have a point that Big Government is idolized in the United States by both sides - even those who say they are against it.

Satanic_Hamster: It's a trolling douche, dude.


I kinda figured that.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:47 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


Could you her more specific about what "what means? Also, direct is to one post advocating big government as good in and of itself.
 
2013-05-16 05:43:27 PM
Funny, I was talking about buy "toilet paper futures" the other day.
 
2013-05-16 05:43:42 PM

Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?


Leftist economics.
 
2013-05-16 05:44:40 PM
Oh and if you don't use single-ply responsibly you are a dirty, disgusting ecoterrorist.

Or you have a medical problem. See you doctor immediately.

/not a doctor
 
2013-05-16 05:45:58 PM
You just let it dry and then use a whisk to get all the bits out of your ass hair.
 
2013-05-16 05:47:57 PM

Ned Stark: leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

Could you her more specific about what "what means? Also, direct is to one post advocating big government as good in and of itself.


You don't need me for that, just go to the politics tab and start clicking.
 
2013-05-16 05:48:56 PM
<i>Officials said they will have to import 50 million rolls to meet the demand of what Trade Minister Alejandro Fleming called a "nervous population," </i>

lol
 
2013-05-16 05:49:13 PM

wildcardjack: Might have to develop the three seashells...


I'm almost afraid to ask. Huh?
 
2013-05-16 05:52:27 PM

hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."


You just got pinked, you damn pinko.
 
2013-05-16 05:52:34 PM

hardinparamedic: leevis: The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

Oh freaking Christ. Really?

"Big Government" was not even close to describing the ideology of the Soviet Union. At any rate, you do have a point that Big Government is idolized in the United States by both sides - even those who say they are against it.

Satanic_Hamster: It's a trolling douche, dude.

I kinda figured that.


Central planning
 
2013-05-16 05:52:55 PM

Coastalgrl: wildcardjack: Might have to develop the three seashells...

I'm almost afraid to ask. Huh?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-16 05:58:31 PM
Christ this thread didn't have a chance.
Turn away, travelers. Here there be derpers
 
2013-05-16 05:58:34 PM

hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]


Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.
 
2013-05-16 06:02:04 PM
No matter the failure of the socialist policy, it can always be blamed on a capitalist plot.

"These were people who believed everything about the Soviet Union was perfect, but they were bringing their own toilet paper." - P.J. O'Rourke

hardinparamedic: Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?


The Soviet Union was considered by some (mainly the willfully ignorant) to be very progressive in terms of social equality. A NYT reporter won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on how well things were going in the USSR. The communist pasty in America and many other nations were also huge critics of the negative press on the USSR.

Remember, you're looking back with good knowledge of the truth on life in the USSR. For decades, most people didn't have that due to Soviet policy.
 
2013-05-16 06:06:36 PM
 
2013-05-16 06:06:46 PM
Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.
 
2013-05-16 06:08:51 PM
If you're needing T.P. por tu culo
And you're having tough luck after Hugo
Don't get down in the dumps
'Stead of taking your lumps
I'd say it's high time for a coup, yo

/lo siento, it's a bit of stretch
 
2013-05-16 06:10:07 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico


Found that to be quite common in much of Latin America, even in large cities like Buenos Aires. The plumbing and sewage systems weren't designed with wads of quilted triple ply toilet paper in mind. Newer buildings usually don't have the problem but if you stay in a historic building, you quickly get use to it.
 
2013-05-16 06:10:31 PM

ivan: Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.


cue the four yorkshiremen
 
2013-05-16 06:10:53 PM

studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.


It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.
 
2013-05-16 06:12:15 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


What about prevalence of weird tentacle porn? Any standouts?
 
2013-05-16 06:17:27 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.

What about prevalence of weird tentacle porn? Any standouts?


Paging  Ghastlyto thread number 7753609
 
2013-05-16 06:17:50 PM
It's a good thing that no one told them of the up and coming tampon shortage.
 
2013-05-16 06:19:06 PM

studs up: ivan: Went for years without TP in former Soviet Union. It's actually no big deal. Rumpled up newspaper worked just fine, as well as wrapping paper or even old books. You westerners are effete.

cue the four yorkshiremen


Oh, I have some stories to tell the youth of today. I really DID walk 5 KM to school in the snow. Maybe not barefoot, but in very very unfashionable footwear.
 
2013-05-16 06:20:12 PM
Limiting price at too low a level decreases supply and causes shortages. Limiting prices to too high a level decreases demand and creates surpluses. Both types of government intervention are detrimental, and the same rules go for the prices of products as well as the price of labor.

/some limitations apply, including the elasticity of demand
 
2013-05-16 06:21:32 PM

mikewadestr: It's a good thing that no one told them of the up and coming tampon shortage.


This is bad, really bad. We don't have the economic strength right now stand up to a reinvigorated Red Army!
 
2013-05-16 06:27:50 PM
People are hoarding. People hoard when they expect something bad to happen.

Basically, their economy is collapsing because the commies are finally running out of other people's money.
 
2013-05-16 06:30:38 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


fair enough
 
2013-05-16 06:31:27 PM

studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.


How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?
 
2013-05-16 06:34:56 PM

Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?


So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?
 
2013-05-16 06:41:20 PM
s23.postimg.org
 
2013-05-16 06:41:21 PM
Obama
 
2013-05-16 06:46:19 PM
So I guess they're out of phone books, too?
 
2013-05-16 06:59:58 PM
They have toilets there?
 
2013-05-16 07:01:37 PM

studs up: Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?

So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?


Denmark. The Netherlands. Australia?
 
2013-05-16 07:12:08 PM

hardinparamedic: studs up: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

It depends on what you're looking for. For healthcare, I'd point out systems like Japan and Switzerland.

Actually, for Social Welfare and Support, I'd point to Japan too as a good example.


Interesting coincidence that Japan has the highest debt as % of GDP on the planet.
 
2013-05-16 07:23:49 PM

puppetmaster745: Limiting price at too low a level decreases supply and causes shortages. Limiting prices to too high a level decreases demand and creates surpluses. Both types of government intervention are detrimental, and the same rules go for the prices of products as well as the price of labor.

/some limitations apply, including the elasticity of demand




Or you're a utility company and charge a surcharge to adjust.
 
2013-05-16 07:26:55 PM

fusillade762: studs up: Source4leko: studs up: hardinparamedic: hasty ambush: It was hard to come by in the Fark progressives' ideological homeland back in the day

"Immediately post-breakup, one of only two toilet paper factories in the entire USSR had been in Latvia. That meant that the remaining pieces of the Soviet empire lost that valuable resource in the first wave."

Who is this magical strawman liberal that idolized the Soviet Union, again? You know, the antithesis of everything that a social progressive holds dear?

[i1074.photobucket.com image 500x614]

Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?

So we have Norway, Sweden, Japan and Switzerland. Anyone else?

Denmark. The Netherlands. Australia?


Australia? Really? OK...

Would you consider these countries [Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland (just to cap off the Nordic swath), Japan, Switzerland, and apparently Australia] to be leftist governments or center left democracies?
If you want to say that these are successful center left capitalists, I think you'll find agreement. If you want to call these havens of Marxists victories, you may find strong disagreements.
Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.
Center left capitalists however, seem to be able to walk a fine line between redistribution and freedom. Sometimes it works, sometimes it over reaches. The center right constantly struggles to allow more freedom as a counter balance in these govts. This struggle between the center left and center right are good for there people to establish both freedom and security in balance.
These Che Guevara loving morons should be mocked at every opportunity including the South American swath of leftist failures.
 
2013-05-16 07:34:01 PM
Let them use cake.
 
2013-05-16 07:40:06 PM

BlackMtnMan: Let them use cake.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-16 07:43:35 PM

wolfpaq777: <i>Officials said they will have to import 50 million rolls to meet the demand of what Trade Minister Alejandro Fleming called a "nervous population," </i>


I was going to submit that with the headline "Venezuelans Flush With Toilet Paper" but couldn't Fark from work.
 
2013-05-16 07:51:54 PM
Surely they aren't out of bibles too?
 
2013-05-16 08:28:37 PM

studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.


Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.
 
2013-05-16 08:51:05 PM

Russ1642: You just let it dry and then use a whisk to get all the bits out of your ass hair.


Damn. Now thats manly.
 
2013-05-16 08:56:17 PM

Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.


You're right.  The government in Venezuela imposed price controls as a means to keep prices down.  This gets them support from the poor.  The problem is that if the government mandated price is too low, the store doesn't make any or looses money when they sell something. The stores have their own expenses, so there's no incentive to stock something if they can't charge a price that allows them some profit.  The stores have their own expenses and they can't afford to sell goods if they can't make enough money to pay those expenses.

Assume the guy who owns a neighborhood grocery store has to pay 50 cents a roll for toilet paper.  He has to make a living from that store and he has expenses running the store - light bill, water bill, phone, wages, etc.  So he charges 70 cents a roll.  The government comes along and tells the store owner he's not allowed  to charge more than 50 cents a roll.  He looses money at that price, so he sells any he already has at 50 cents a roll.  When his supply runs out, he doesn't order more.
 
2013-05-16 09:13:10 PM

Mrbogey: The Soviet Union was considered by some (mainly the willfully ignorant) to be very progressive in terms of social equality. A NYT reporter won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on how well things were going in the USSR. The communist pasty in America and many other nations were also huge critics of the negative press on the USSR.

Remember, you're looking back with good knowledge of the truth on life in the USSR. For decades, most people didn't have that due to Soviet policy.


It's an interesting bit of history.  Duranty's writing was during the Great Depression, so there's naturally going to be a lot of 'grass is greener' eyeballing going around.  Particularly when most of the news is coming from Pravda sources and information flow was limited. Just like there was a lot of 'grass is greener' interest in Hitler and Mussolini's experiments.

There also was some kernel of truth to it.  Lenin-era (and slightly before) Russia/USSR  was and  is an amazing story if you overlook the crushing human toll of it.  Russia was basically a medieval serf society just a few years pre-WWI.   Give half the credit to WWI and half to Lenin, but you went from 'hole in the ground' to one of the 3-4 world power industrial states in about 25 years.  After that kind of run, some of the ludicrous promises seemed... almost believable.
 
2013-05-16 09:54:38 PM

leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.


You're confusing "disgust with Republicans" with "likes big government."

Common error.
 
2013-05-16 10:01:49 PM

Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.


Yep.  Of course, it's even more hilarious when right-wingers do it, then blame the resulting mess on the NEXT leader in office...

that would never happen HERE, right?
 
2013-05-16 10:06:39 PM

EngineerAU: drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder do they just toss in in the garbage bin and not the toliet like they do in Mexico

Found that to be quite common in much of Latin America, even in large cities like Buenos Aires. The plumbing and sewage systems weren't designed with wads of quilted triple ply toilet paper in mind. Newer buildings usually don't have the problem but if you stay in a historic building, you quickly get use to it.


Actually, modern toilet paper has been designed for years to come apart in water, much quicker than a solid log of shiat, so while maybe 50 years ago when they were making shiat paper pretty solid in latin american, it was the case, but not since the 60s, but in latin america old wives tales run rampant, so people through the shiatty paper in a wastebasket til this day, because of something great grandma passed down, which makes for a nasty smelling bathroom.  My house in Colombia is 40 years old and you can throw the paper down the toilet.

A big problem is that years ago people in latin america viewed toilets as a garbage can and flushed all kinda shiat down it, vegetable peelings etc.

There are many places in latin america you will see little signs"shiatty paper goes in where the shiat goes not in the basket"

I have deuced all over latin america, and wiped profusely and used much paper and never overflowed a crapper.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:11 PM

PaLarkin: Loren: Diogenes: They have a hurricane or something?

Leftist economics.

You're right.  The government in Venezuela imposed price controls as a means to keep prices down.  This gets them support from the poor.  The problem is that if the government mandated price is too low, the store doesn't make any or looses money when they sell something. The stores have their own expenses, so there's no incentive to stock something if they can't charge a price that allows them some profit.  The stores have their own expenses and they can't afford to sell goods if they can't make enough money to pay those expenses.

Assume the guy who owns a neighborhood grocery store has to pay 50 cents a roll for toilet paper.  He has to make a living from that store and he has expenses running the store - light bill, water bill, phone, wages, etc.  So he charges 70 cents a roll.  The government comes along and tells the store owner he's not allowed  to charge more than 50 cents a roll.  He looses money at that price, so he sells any he already has at 50 cents a roll.  When his supply runs out, he doesn't order more.


Actually in corner markets and neighborhood stores they charge what ever the market will bear, not effected by price control, most corner markets in latin america will go to a big chain, by the bargains, and then 30-40 percent gross it up for the convenience factor and knowing people will not hit the big box store because latin americans do not buy in bulk, even though it might be cheaper.

So you take a grocery store like Exito in Venezuela(A colombian chain) he nationalized them all and gave the stock away, many people there with small stores, including colombia, would get their stock from them, as distributors do not go to the little bodegas.

/colombian
/worked in venezuela
/translated a 100 page asspaper study into english.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:31 PM

Silverstaff: studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.

Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.


Not to mention really hot women. That ain't an accident. Yeah Socialism!!!
 
2013-05-16 10:59:41 PM
Im seeing a uptick in these...

www.inretrospectpodcast.com
 
2013-05-16 11:44:47 PM
biddybytes.com
Problem solved!
 
2013-05-16 11:50:30 PM
A small group of central planner will never be able to allocate resources properly because they lack the information to do so. It's not possible for them to have it because grasping the desires and actions of millions of other people can't be done. The more vital and less substitutable a good is, the more visible the errors.  Thus we have all the centrally planned economies having problems with toilet paper. It's not like they have sears catalogs either
 
2013-05-17 12:40:11 AM
I remember going to a public toilet in Czechoslovakia. The bathroom attendant handed me three squares of waxy toilet paper. Thank goodness I had smuggled in several rolls of the good stuff.
 
2013-05-17 02:15:51 AM

Source4leko: Sounds like a legit complaint. Any actual, real world "ideological homeland" for fark progs to point to as an example of functioning leftist policies that work? I want to get my trolls correct in the future.

How about Sweden?  Or Norway?  Or do they not count?


You can include most of northwest Europe, IMO. It's not communism, nor textbook socialism (the state shall own the means of production etc), but the idea that the state should help it's citizens when they need it and provide an infrastructure that makes life easier in general.

Yes, this means high taxes. Civilization isn't free.
 
2013-05-17 02:53:31 AM
It's a combination of several factors:

1.- Exchange control; in Venezuela you can't freely convert currency, meaning, to import something you need to ask government permission, then wait... then if it's approved (usually only medicine and food is "fast-track" approved - 3 months -) the government gives you the clearance to exchange local currency into USD.

2.- Now, you then set the price, toilet paper, milk, rice, chicken, meat, flour, eggs, bread, etc, are all fixed, and haven't been changed in some cases for a couple of years so you're producing/selling at a loss.

3.- When stock IS available; people would stockpile... then sell in the black market for easily 6x the price; so your good intentions of fixing the price to allow the "poor" to be able to buy it at an affordable price backfires.

In the meantime, the government looks for scapegoats, POLAR, venezuela's biggest "private" food producer makes around 42% of flour and is being accused of stockpiling... what the government doesn't say is that the government owns the other 48% and their products are being diverted to the black market by mafias that resell them for tidy profits....

/so glad I left that place
 
2013-05-17 04:10:00 AM
"[The USSR] ... couldn't produce enough toilet paper. So what one had to do was to take a small piece of paper, say 1 inch by 1 inch. Fold it in half. Then fold it in half again. Now tear the small piece of paper from the corner. Unfold. Now you have a square piece of paper with a small hole in the middle. Now put a finger through  the hole. Now use the finger to wipe your ass. Now squeeze the paper, with the other hand, and carefully slide it off the finger, making sure you wipe all the shiat as you go. Now use a corner of the paper to clean the shiat from under the nail. Practice makes perfect."
  -- Oleg Zabluda (explaining why the US got to the moon first, in sci.space.history)
 
2013-05-17 04:52:41 AM

leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.


Always seemed to me that conservatives had more faith in communism then I did (none). Which is to say while they were terrified, I felt that eventually communist countries would fall apart of there own accord.  Which is what happened as soon as the true believers trying to pound the square peg of humanity into a round hole, shuffled off of the stage. Money quote from a friend of mine, by the time I left (1983) no one cared anymore.
 
2013-05-17 08:33:17 AM

Uncle Tractor: Yes, this means high taxes. Civilization isn't free.


It can be.  I got Civilization 5 for free because a friend gifted it to me when he got an extra copy from pre-ordering X-Com.
 
2013-05-17 09:38:21 AM

PunGent: leevis: hardinparamedic: leevis: He's not saying farkers liked the soviet union, just their ideology.

Who? That's what I'm asking. The ideology of leninistic/Stalinistic communism proved that it created an oligarchy far more oppressive than the previous system it vilified.

I can think of only one person on FARK who would even fit that bill, and both left, FARK Independants, and right posters on here hate him.

Other than that, I have not seen one serious post on FARK championing the soviet union, or it's ideologies.

The ideology is big government, and it's very much admired here on fark.

You're confusing "disgust with Republicans" with "likes big government."

Common error.


There's a pretty high correlation, though. People who want a small government and are disgusted with them are vastly outnumbered on Fark by people who think that the government should be bigger (excluding the military.)
 
2013-05-17 09:43:49 AM
 
2013-05-17 11:28:10 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-17 11:39:10 AM

Silverstaff: studs up: Can we, the rational, dispense with the notion that there is any real world example of functioning leftist (Marxist, communists, totalitarian, fascist, et al) government? They all fail and their people all suffer, tremendously. Supporters of these "causes" are willfully ignorant useful idiots that, for reasons that escape me, seem to desire the boot of govt on their throats. It's infantile and only USC profs and their ilk have time for such moronic exercises in theory as well as the potato need to give these idle whims any credence.

Who the hell actually takes Marxist/Leninist thought as serious political ideology anymore?

If you honestly think American (or Farker) leftists are advocating Marxist/Leninist ideology, you generally don't know what we're talking about.  Thinking modern leftists generally espouse communism is a pure strawman, even the vast majority of modern leftists see Marxism as a failure.  Communism is widely seen as a proven as a failure, with the USSR the textbook case study.

Socialism, on the other hand (as distinct from Communism) has proven successful in the list of countries shown time and time again.  Sweden, for example, has a robust cradle-to-grave welfare system, universal healthcare, universal higher education, and very low crime rates to go along with that.


No true Farker fallacy aside, I'm honestly looking to see the dividing line on the left as to who is a bug nuts, stupid ideologue and who is just a fark socialist. I have had a ton of debates on this site about the virtues of Marx, Engles, Trotsky, et al., so don't pretend to be all shocked and butt hurt that some one from the left supports these ideals. THAT shows you generally don't know what you are talking about (to quote back at you). When I run across these people again, I will point to this thread and say, "See, even your own side thinks you are full of shiat".
 
2013-05-18 02:35:31 AM
Did someone say "toilet paper shortage?"
www.treacheryisafoot.com
 
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