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2013-05-16 04:08:55 PM  

taxandspend: Antimatter: PsyLord: I see that Nintendo is trying its best to catch up to Sony and Microsoft in the "let's piss off our customers" category.

Neither sony or MS is this anal about it I don't think.  Hell, Sony built streaming and video recording into the ps4, and I suspect MS is doing something similar.

And who, right now, is to say that both Sony and MS won't be making money off your run through uploads?


Nothing like that has been announced as of yet.  Outside of requireing XBLG or PSPlus at least.
 
2013-05-16 04:12:00 PM  

ReverendJasen: xanadian: You play a video, you oftentimes get a 15-second, 30-second or (ugh) 4-plus-minute "ad" at the beginning of it.

Not sure Adblock blocks that

I'm on Firefox with Adlbock+, Noscript, and Ghostery... I still see the embedded video ads.  So I'd say that's a negatory.


I'm running Adblock and Noscript in Chrome, and I never see ads of any kind on YouTube.  It's been this way for so long that when I watch YouTube videos on a different computer I get confused when an ad starts to play.
 
2013-05-16 04:13:48 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.


I have a few times, just because I couldn't grasp HOW IN THE LIVING FARK people solo Platinum maps on Mass Effect 3's multi-player.  I usually get my ass kicked on Gold, with a good team of four players.
 
2013-05-16 04:15:40 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.


Since many games these days don't offer a demo and you can't get Steam refunds, I tend to watch a few lets play videos before actually buying the game.

/well you can get Steam refunds if you manage to catch the publisher on a good day or just get lucky
 
2013-05-16 04:23:23 PM  

ReverendJasen: xanadian: You play a video, you oftentimes get a 15-second, 30-second or (ugh) 4-plus-minute "ad" at the beginning of it.

Not sure Adblock blocks that

I'm on Firefox with Adlbock+, Noscript, and Ghostery... I still see the embedded video ads.  So I'd say that's a negatory.


Go to Filter Prefs in Adblock Plus and uncheck the box at the bottom that says "Allow some non-intrusive advertising".  It installs with that turned on and I assume you just didn't know that was there because only an idiot would willingly leave it checked on.
 
2013-05-16 04:24:52 PM  

ReverendJasen: xanadian: You play a video, you oftentimes get a 15-second, 30-second or (ugh) 4-plus-minute "ad" at the beginning of it.

Not sure Adblock blocks that

I'm on Firefox with Adlbock+, Noscript, and Ghostery... I still see the embedded video ads.  So I'd say that's a negatory.


Can you cite a video with ads? I've got those three, plus more, and I don't recall having seen an ad any time recently.

/gets momentarily confused when I use another's computer and see ads all over the place
 
2013-05-16 04:50:37 PM  

IrateShadow: ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.

I'll throw one on every now and then for background noise when I'm doing something else.  Usuaully with a game that I'm interested in but not interested enough to buy.


They're great background noise, they've convinced me to pick up games I wouldn't normally have been interested in trying out myself, and sometimes I learn something new about a game I've played a million times myself.
 
2013-05-16 04:51:29 PM  
In other news, Nintendo game sales drop precipitously, as no one can tolerate their ads and the gameplay itself can no longer be viewed in "over the shoulder" mode on YouTube.

See, Nintendo, with your track record, it's a friggin' gamble to buy your games - we don't trust your misleading ads, so we have to see actual gameplay to make that "buy or skip" decision. Now that you've hampered that latter exposure, it's going to be even harder to convince us to buy your games. Your ads certainly aren't cutting it.
 
2013-05-16 05:05:07 PM  
Are they going to do this with tool-assisted speedruns, too?
 
2013-05-16 05:08:03 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: Dimensio: star_topology: Of course, there are guys out there with a good schtick like James Rolfe (AVGN) and maybe even Toby Turner to a degree who seems to know what he's doing. Personally, I'll listen to Totalbiscuit, and watch anything Jesse Cox does, he cracks me up. GameGrumps (JonTron) as well. They are good time killers.

and then there's this guy...
[img.photobucket.com image 400x266]

Who?

That's PewDiePie.  He's a Swedish video game commentator and his schtick is overly-dramatic reactions to scary moments in games.  His Amnesia series was absolutely unwatchable because of him.  Also he uses homophobic language in his videos.  His videos aren't about the games at all; they're about him reacting to the games.  Tolerable for about a minute, and then it's just painful.

I'm absolutely fascinated as to how that wreck became popular.


Don't forget about his seeming obsession with rape jokes.


Anyway, here's pretty much all you need to know about that twerp, courtesy of the Retsupurae folks that was mentioned above


Adults react to PewDiePie  NSFW language and speaker warning.
 
2013-05-16 05:16:22 PM  
Anyway, I enjoy Let's Plays when they are done well.  It was actually through a couple Let's Plays that I discovered a few indie games that I ended up really enjoying that I probably wouldn't have found out otherwise such as Cave Story and La-Mulana.  Unfortunately, good ones seem to be the exception as there are a lot of terrible Let's Plays out there.
 
2013-05-16 05:27:16 PM  
ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.

Depends on who is playing.

Take all of what Tyrone Slothrop said and add

* Watching someone at a ridiculously high skill level play, AKA "Holy fark, how the hell does he/she do that?"

// devil may cry speedruns in dante must die mode make me go WTF and feel humbled.
 
2013-05-16 05:44:44 PM  

star_topology: Of course, there are guys out there with a good schtick like James Rolfe (AVGN) and maybe even Toby Turner to a degree who seems to know what he's doing. Personally, I'll listen to Totalbiscuit, and watch anything Jesse Cox does, he cracks me up. GameGrumps (JonTron) as well. They are good time killers.

and then there's this guy...
[img.photobucket.com image 400x266]


You hit all my video game youtube subscriptions in one post!

Though I also subscribe to Josh Jepson.
 
2013-05-16 05:50:16 PM  

Myria: Are they going to do this with tool-assisted speedruns, too?


They have an automated system that will target any videos with Nintendo content of a certain length. That means any and all types of content will get hit, including reviews and such.

The one issue I have is that Nintendo has actually promoted monetized videos in the past without saying anything, and now they suddenly start attacking those people's livelihood.
 
2013-05-16 05:58:58 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.


BRONZE LEAGUE HEROES

/I don't actually play SC2, but just listening to the announcer lose his shiat about 2/3rds of the way through was hilarious.
//I also got way better at the Total War series after reading the really, really good user's AAR's.  Just things like "If you put your back to a mountain, you get the high ground on the random map" or "If you can't stop the Mongols, pull back, gift the border cities to the Pope, and watch hilarity ensue"
///And we can't forget the sublime joy that is Reginald Cuthbert in F:NV.
////Heck, I picked up ME1 after seeing the Spoiler Warning Let's Play and I've got about 1200 hours across all 3 games at this point.
 
2013-05-16 06:05:21 PM  
For old games that have been creatively hacked/modded watching a video of someone playing can be fun, like watching Sonic run through what are supposed to be solid barriers and things like that.
 
2013-05-16 06:15:24 PM  
If someone makes a living by posting LP's then they need to go get a real job. This sort of stuff is supposed to be just a damn hobby, not what puts bread on the table. I have no sympathy for people who aren't getting paid for these because they shouldn't have been getting paid in the first place.
 
2013-05-16 06:18:41 PM  
I've been enjoying Achievement Hunter's Let's Play of Minecraft. You'd think it would be boring, but it is quite funny.

The best is the Rage Quit video of the Surgery Simulator 2013. (The original one, not the steam verson.)
 
2013-05-16 06:21:31 PM  
For those of you who have never seen a "Let's Play" video, allow me to spell it out for you:

1. "Hey guys!"
2. "Today... um... we're... uh... going... er... to play... urmmm... [game title]"
3. Watch somebody else play a video game you could be playing yourself.
4. Forced humor and intentional overreaction.
5. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um.
6. "Thanks for watching! Make sure to, uh, like, comment and, ummmm, subscribe."
 
2013-05-16 06:28:57 PM  
y'all have been watching some pretty shiatty LPs
 
2013-05-16 06:29:30 PM  
I am not into the "Let's Play!" videos, but I do enjoy a subset of them, the "glitch" videos.

There's a couple of Sweedish (or....Norwegian? I might be racist.) guys who do a series called "I Broke _____" where they play games incorrectly and yell at each other in bad English. It's endlessly entertaining.

I actually bought "Hitman: Absolution" based on their video, oddly enough.
 
2013-05-16 06:38:07 PM  
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2013-05-16 06:41:21 PM  

kenshin5435: If someone makes a living by posting LP's then they need to go get a real job. This sort of stuff is supposed to be just a damn hobby, not what puts bread on the table. I have no sympathy for people who aren't getting paid for these because they shouldn't have been getting paid in the first place.


i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-16 06:46:59 PM  
Guys, I've been hiding a secret for many years now and it's brought me immeasurable shame.  I've never told anybody this in real life because I know I'd lose friends and relationships over it.  But, I am one of the people who occasionally watches video clips online of people playing video games.  God, I can't believe I even mustered up the courage to type that out, I'm literally shaking so much I've had to pause numerous times mid-sentence.

For me, it's a natural thing and I can only suppress the urge for so long.  Usually it's older games.   Games for systems I no longer own or games that were released on systems I never owned to begin with.  Some of them bring back fond memories, some of them are just neat.  A few weeks ago, I watched some vids of 3DO games, and some game play videos of a few NES games, then I got into a Gauntlet tangent and watched videos of gameplay from multiple systems just to compare and contrast.

I feel like finally admitting this to the world is a first step.  In time, I may grow to accept this unforgivable character flaw -- who knows I might even find others I'm comfortable confiding in.  But for now, I'm simply learning how to live with this heavy, wretched burden on my shoulders.
 
2013-05-16 07:02:26 PM  
Ninten-

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2013-05-16 07:05:05 PM  
there are several games that are helpful for LPs, none of which are Nintendo's.  I love Civ 5 LPs as it's a good complex game where other people's strategies are worth the time.
 
2013-05-16 07:05:41 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun?

Yeah, I just can't understand why Baseball is so popular on TV. Don't people know they could be playing this game themselves? How is that fun?
 
2013-05-16 07:05:46 PM  
So let me see if i have this right:EA, Ubisoft and other publishers: Hey we want the ad revenue for these videos using our ipGaming public: *silence*Nintendo:Hey we want the ad revenue for these videos using our ipGaming public: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! !
 
2013-05-16 07:28:10 PM  
The only good LPs are those where the dude doing it is wicked funny or wicked good at the game. However 99% of LPs are neither.
 
2013-05-16 07:33:50 PM  
Youtube actually hosts all their own advertising videos on their own site. There's literally no way to block them.

On the plus side, there's no evil hackery involved either.
 
2013-05-16 07:37:08 PM  

superwombatman: www.youtube.com/retsupurae

Slowbeef and Diabetus from somethingawful riff on terrible (for various reasons) let's plays.  Enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/user/PsychedelicSA
One of my favourite lets players. I really dig his accent.
'Give me back my camera you.... 'ORRIBLE game!"
 
2013-05-16 07:49:24 PM  

TheZorker: Youtube actually hosts all their own advertising videos on their own site. There's literally no way to block them.

On the plus side, there's no evil hackery involved either.


Could you link to a video with ads? I can't remember the last time I saw an ad...
 
2013-05-16 07:57:22 PM  
...and then the major LP'ers stop making let's plays of Nintendo titles, get snarky on their sites and pages ("well, I  would do a let's play of this Nintendo game, but they want to screw me out of my page revenue so I think I'll just do this indie title that's much better and not made by Fascists..."), and Nintendo ends up with some of the worse press this side of the Sim City debacle. It's not like the LP'ers super-aggressively protect their channels and revenue sources, after all (see, SOPA).

I don't think they've thought their cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-05-16 08:11:43 PM  

that bosnian sniper: the major LP'ers


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-16 09:43:32 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.


I watch Game Grumps when I'm taking a dump, and a few videos in case I need help/tutorials in things like Kerbal Space Program. It's entertainment, just like anything else, really.
 
2013-05-16 09:56:22 PM  

Ravengirl: ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun?
Yeah, I just can't understand why Baseball is so popular on TV. Don't people know they could be playing this game themselves? How is that fun?


Me neither. Watching sports is boring, too.
 
2013-05-16 10:33:11 PM  

Mentalpatient87: ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.

I watch Game Grumps when I'm taking a dump, and a few videos in case I need help/tutorials in things like Kerbal Space Program. It's entertainment, just like anything else, really.


I watched some lets play videos for dark souls after about 30 deaths to the Capra Demon and the six month hiatus I took as a result. Beat it on the first try after that. They are useful sometimes.
 
2013-05-16 10:35:40 PM  
This is news because Nintendo is being real hard asses about the issue and they don't want the vids blocked, they just want a piece of the pie.

I already have 1 gameplay video (Family Guy Online) on my channel that Youtube refused to monetize because Fox had a problem with it. The game was cancelled before it even got out of Beta and they  still wouldn't let me monetize it.

Here is the link if anyone wants to see it http://youtu.be/_uo8D61oUKI

I have gameplay vids from other games that were monetized without a problem.
 
2013-05-16 10:49:22 PM  
fark off Nintendo.
 
2013-05-16 10:50:08 PM  
There is no way this would stand up in court. That would be like Dodge claiming they own the rights to any video I upload of me driving my car.
 
2013-05-16 11:04:02 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There is no way this would stand up in court. That would be like Dodge claiming they own the rights to any video I upload of me driving my car.


What exactly is illegal about a copyright holder enforcing their copyright? Fair use only protects up to a point, and I'm pretty sure that very point is the moment when money begins to change hands. Fair use does not protect you for profiting off of someone else's intellectual property.

As for Dodge, they probably could do that if you made videos specifically about driving your dodge and only about driving your dodge and driving other dodges, mentioning and showing off their brand and logo prominently throughout each video, and tried to make money off it.
 
2013-05-16 11:12:46 PM  
I love watching LPs of older games like side scrollers to see how other people play and find new ways to play a game. I also like watching ones of the more story drivin games as it can be like a long movie especially if im about to play a games sequel and need a refresher on the previous games. Then there are games like Metal Gear which i love the story, but hate the gameplay.
 
2013-05-16 11:21:56 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Ravengirl: ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun?
Yeah, I just can't understand why Baseball is so popular on TV. Don't people know they could be playing this game themselves? How is that fun?

Me neither. Watching sports is boring, too.


About the only game footage of which I watch regularly any more is SC2, but that's for commentary, keeping an eye on the metagame, and picking up new strategies and build orders. Other than that, I used to watch Minecraft videos (it's fun seeing what other people make), and the odd "humorous commentary" video that is  actuallyfunny (a genuine rarity on Youtube, I greely grant).
 
2013-05-16 11:45:49 PM  

Codenamechaz: ReapTheChaos: There is no way this would stand up in court. That would be like Dodge claiming they own the rights to any video I upload of me driving my car.

What exactly is illegal about a copyright holder enforcing their copyright? Fair use only protects up to a point, and I'm pretty sure that very point is the moment when money begins to change hands. Fair use does not protect you for profiting off of someone else's intellectual property.

As for Dodge, they probably could do that if you made videos specifically about driving your dodge and only about driving your dodge and driving other dodges, mentioning and showing off their brand and logo prominently throughout each video, and tried to make money off it.


Wrong. Commercialness is only one prong of the Fair use test. LPs could be, in some respects, transformative and/or commentary, and protected by Fair use. Unfortunately it's only an affirmative defense, so you'd have to actually go to court to prove it.

17 U.S.C. § 107
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
 
2013-05-17 01:24:41 AM  

Kinek: Codenamechaz: ReapTheChaos: There is no way this would stand up in court. That would be like Dodge claiming they own the rights to any video I upload of me driving my car.

What exactly is illegal about a copyright holder enforcing their copyright? Fair use only protects up to a point, and I'm pretty sure that very point is the moment when money begins to change hands. Fair use does not protect you for profiting off of someone else's intellectual property.

As for Dodge, they probably could do that if you made videos specifically about driving your dodge and only about driving your dodge and driving other dodges, mentioning and showing off their brand and logo prominently throughout each video, and tried to make money off it.

Wrong. Commercialness is only one prong of the Fair use test. LPs could be, in some respects, transformative and/or commentary, and protected by Fair use. Unfortunately it's only an affirmative defense, so you'd have to actually go to court to prove it.

17 U.S.C. § 107
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.


Using what you've provided, let me lay it out like this.
A good chunk of popular "lets play"-er:
1. Take payment from Youtube's ad services for -
2. Putting on display for the world to see-
3. The entirety of someone else's copyrighted work, often split into portions due to video size, which -
4. Depending on the quality of the product, could negatively impact any future sales, especially if it's a new product.
 
2013-05-17 01:26:34 AM  

Kinek: I don't think the game's copyright is under question, but more if the addition of commentary, as well as removing the interactive element from the game constitutes a transformative work, and consequently,the issue of fair use.


As far as I know, the issue was publicly settled when Blizzard Entertainment asserted that the Korean e-Sports Players Association was infringing on their copyright by holding professional StarCraft tournaments without their consent or paying royalties.  Their game code, their assets, their copyright.  In the end, KeSPA wanted no part of that legal fight, and that's saying something, because it would have been a foreign company in a Korean court arguing that a pseudo-governmental entity was in violation of their rights.  That's the mother of all home court advantage and KeSPA backed down.
 
2013-05-17 02:34:38 AM  
There are ads on youtube?
 
2013-05-17 02:38:55 AM  

Theaetetus: Inigo: Nintendo does not want to block videos containing content that it owns from appearing on Youtube (as many film and music publishers have), but it wants to place ads at the beginning and the end of videos featuring Nintendo games, such as Let's Plays, with that revenue going to Nintendo as opposed to the creator of the video.

[i.imgur.com image 500x345]

I'm okay with this.


I'm not.  As far as I'm concerned, the game itself becomes a tool used by the player/recorder.  I don't really consider it any different than someone buying a car and posting a video of their test drive.
 
2013-05-17 03:40:46 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I really don't understand this whole "watching other people play games" thing. How is that fun? The point of games is to play them yourself, not watch them being played.


You get to see the game being played without having to bother.

I do this for games, like Duck Tales, where I want to see the final boss because I could never do it as a kid by virtue of not owning the cartridge.

Or, the other variety is when really funny people just comment on the game. Those are actually better and usually go about 20 minutes each. It's usually funnier than network scripted shows.
 
2013-05-17 05:56:25 AM  
I heard 2 people discussing the last Zelda game over by the water cooler this week - I assume Nintendo wants to sue the crap out of them for infringing on their copyright?

I give it 5 years before the 'Synposis' sections of wikipedia pages on TV / Film / Games all go because of over-reaching stuff like this.
 
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