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2013-05-16 12:10:16 PM  
Well he is listen to or deferred to because of the money. It's because God says he should be....

And if you don't like that answer well, we could always have another crusade.
 
2013-05-16 12:20:54 PM  
Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?
 
2013-05-16 01:08:21 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-16 01:08:33 PM  
Who knows better.  Certainly no one here on fark knows anything about money.
 
2013-05-16 01:09:27 PM  
Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.
 
2013-05-16 01:10:51 PM  
"Money has to serve, not to rule!"

Pope has obviously never been to a strip club.
 
2013-05-16 01:11:00 PM  
To be fair, I don't think he's had a chance to use the golden potty yet.
 
2013-05-16 01:11:15 PM  
The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.
 
2013-05-16 01:12:41 PM  
Right on, Francis.
 
2013-05-16 01:12:53 PM  
I'm having a real hard time getting angry about this sentiment.  Methinks he was talking to the Catholic leadership as much as he was talking to the leaders of the global financial system.
 
2013-05-16 01:13:24 PM  
I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.
 
2013-05-16 01:13:39 PM  
FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.
 
2013-05-16 01:13:44 PM  
This coming from one the wealthiest organizations on the planet.  Really...

/practice what you preach
 
2013-05-16 01:15:35 PM  
What's his fark handle?
 
2013-05-16 01:16:40 PM  
I thought he rejected the fancy shoes and some of the more formal vestments.
 
2013-05-16 01:17:23 PM  
Hey, it's just 10%!
 
2013-05-16 01:20:02 PM  

xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?


Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
msnbcmedia.msn.com

And this is his personal office:
news.bbcimg.co.uk

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.
 
2013-05-16 01:20:18 PM  
He's not wrong, but yeah, maybe tone down the Liberace stylings.
 
2013-05-16 01:20:25 PM  
Sort of reminds me of liberal politicians and hollywood stars.
 
2013-05-16 01:20:35 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.


Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.
 
2013-05-16 01:21:05 PM  
Here's the BBC article about his living quarters: "Pope Francis shuns grand apartment for two rooms"
 
2013-05-16 01:21:20 PM  
I think he was talking about all these money grubbing kids suing for being molested. Ungrateful little bastards! Don't they know what an honor it is to be picked to be one of the special altar boys?
 
2013-05-16 01:21:20 PM  
To be fair he has been renouncing the trappings of wealth over and over since he's been elected....
 
2013-05-16 01:21:21 PM  
Awesome.

his message needs to fall on every ear.

If you're religious then you know that's not your money in the first place, it's Gods money & everything you achieve is through his grace.
 
2013-05-16 01:21:52 PM  
The Pope wears RED shoes, submitter.
 
2013-05-16 01:22:05 PM  

KatjaMouse: I thought he rejected the fancy shoes and some of the more formal vestments.


And he got rid of the gold throne.
 
2013-05-16 01:22:05 PM  

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......
 
2013-05-16 01:23:23 PM  
Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?
 
2013-05-16 01:23:28 PM  
"...he then kissed his miniature giraffe and giggled like a schoolgirl."
 
2013-05-16 01:24:14 PM  

PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.


The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious
 
2013-05-16 01:24:23 PM  

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


We're all hypocrites.
 
2013-05-16 01:24:29 PM  
it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.
 
2013-05-16 01:24:35 PM  

MrSteve007: Here's the BBC article about his living quarters: "Pope Francis shuns grand apartment for two rooms"


Does that mean that the grand apartment is up for rent? I hear P-Diddy is looking for a Italian pied-a-terre.
 
2013-05-16 01:25:03 PM  
Usain Bolt?
 
2013-05-16 01:25:28 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


me too.
 
2013-05-16 01:26:20 PM  

Isitoveryet: Awesome.

his message needs to fall on every ear.

If you're religious then you know that's not your money in the first place, it's Gods money & everything you achieve is through his grace.


God's money?  Is that like monopoly money?
 
2013-05-16 01:26:36 PM  

gadian: KatjaMouse: I thought he rejected the fancy shoes and some of the more formal vestments.

And he got rid of the gold throne.


No, he didn't get rid of it. You think he sold it and gave the money to the dioceses that are filling for bankruptcy protection so they don't have to pay the kids that were molested?
 
2013-05-16 01:27:58 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


THIS!
 
2013-05-16 01:29:05 PM  

MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...
 
2013-05-16 01:29:07 PM  
Subby may be thinking of the last Pope.
 
2013-05-16 01:29:10 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


Yep, the overall Catholic church has no vow of poverty - however the sect that Pope Francis is a Jesuit, which does vow poverty and service.
 
2013-05-16 01:30:18 PM  
So many people either trolling, or unaware of what Francis has been upto.

I'm a huge critic of anyone who believes in religion, especially the organized kind. But Francis is at least attempting to do something different, including giving away his money, doing away with the extravagence of the Papal quarters, and FTA it *seems* like he was ranting at the church as well as the proverbial moneylenders.

Still not going to condone the Catholic Church or their actions (or inactions) but at least this guy is trying to do something different.
 
2013-05-16 01:30:31 PM  
Emporer Popeltine was all about the gaudy opulence. This guy seems to have to lightened up.

Still confused about the whole indulgences for money thing however.
 
2013-05-16 01:32:23 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


Actually after he gave away his money to charity instead of giving the employees a 'new pope bonus' I was certain someone was going to off him.

Or at least break his legs.
 
2013-05-16 01:33:34 PM  

mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...


He still seems pretty anti-gay and anti-women's rights (from what I've seen), but hey, you can't build Rome in a day.

... Or something like that.
 
2013-05-16 01:35:08 PM  

Thisbymaster: Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.


I've never seen a CEO sitting on a golden throne weighed down with golden jewelry in a massive cathedral. Talking about the virtues of poverty, no less. If the pope just rode around in his expensive popemobile blasting gregorian chants and lived in a mansion it wouldn't be quite so bad.

MrSteve007: looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


He makes a good figurehead for such a greedy organization, but it doesn't change anything about the organization itself. The catholic church has always been concerned with material gain and power over everything else. I don't think he could possibly change it now, without destroying the entire thing first and starting fresh.
 
2013-05-16 01:35:28 PM  
Does he have a tiny giraffe? Opulence, does he has it?
 
2013-05-16 01:35:57 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


As a former altar boy, I can assure you the vow of chastity is a load of crap.

/Ducks and runs

Snark aside, I really like Francis version 1.0. As a non-Christian, I can respect that the guy walks the walk as best he can. I don't blame the current pope for having all the gold stuff, land, and art from the Renaissance as long as he is promoting it for public use (like museums and digitizing archives - both of which are currently happening). The fact that the church is treating the stuff as an insight into history rather than as a necessity for day to day operations speaks volumes. Personally, I hope the current Pontiff puts in 30-40 years on the throne because the church NEEDS it.
 
2013-05-16 01:36:20 PM  

degenerate-afro: PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.

The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious


Some people around here are going to hate on him no matter what he says or does. Kind of like a reverse tea party/obama thing.
 
2013-05-16 01:36:26 PM  
The Catholic Church is the Titanic and Pope Francis took the wheel as the hull was starting to crack after hitting the iceberg.

It's still going down (metaphorically), but I think Francis has the best chance of making the wreck be not quite as bad as it otherwise would have been.


// I like my metaphors like I like my drinks - well mixed and filled with fruit.
 
2013-05-16 01:37:47 PM  

hobberwickey: /How did he become pope?


Cardinal 1: Everyone's been riding up our asses to elect either a black pope of someone from South America.
Cardinal 2: Well, why don't we elect that one guy in Africa? He's super Catholic and may carry on Bendict's papacy.
Cardinal 1: Nah, he may try to bring back the inquisition.
Cardinal 3: Who's in Latin America?
Cardinal 2: This guy in Argentina looks decent. And he's supported authoritarian politics in the past so he'd totally be okay with business as usual.
Cardinal 1: And he's white! Bring the guy in!
 
2013-05-16 01:38:17 PM  

Carn: God's money? Is that like monopoly money?


maybe more like monopsony?
 
2013-05-16 01:38:46 PM  

NightOwl2255: No, he didn't get rid of it. You think he sold it and gave the money to the dioceses that are filling for bankruptcy protection so they don't have to pay the kids that were molested?


Alright, alright, he's not using it.  Better? You know what I meant, you just want to biatch.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:28 PM  
Good one subby.  I saw that farker, with his big hat and robes in da club with fiddy and dr dre.    He had a fist full of benjamins and he was makin' it rain all over da hos in the champagne room.   Crystal was flowin and he was all talkin about his new crib and all the hotties he was gonna be bangin' in the papal hot tub.  
"I'll show you DaVinci's code, baby"  to anyone who would listen.
Bastard.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:31 PM  

xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?


No, he still is living like an average guy. Subby is just an uneducated moron troll atheist, like any other.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:37 PM  

The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.


Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.
 
2013-05-16 01:42:38 PM  

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


Depends on their order.
 
2013-05-16 01:42:46 PM  

degenerate-afro: PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.

The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious


Well, to be fair, he's still just as ass-backward about almost everything as his predecessors have been.  Women, gays, etc.  But on this one issue, he does seem to be admirably legit.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:10 PM  

MysticKakarrott: I'm having a real hard time getting angry about this sentiment.  Methinks he was talking to the Catholic leadership as much as he was talking to the leaders of the global financial system.


Moreso actually. He's a reformer pope, and he is here to fix the Church from the bad path it has taken over the last number of years.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:24 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


Depends what order of priest. Some do, some don't.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:43 PM  

MrSteve007: johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......

Yep, the overall Catholic church has no vow of poverty - however the sect that Pope Francis is a Jesuit, which does vow poverty and service.


yes exactly, great point...diocesan versus religious
 
2013-05-16 01:44:16 PM  

xanadian: mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...

He still seems pretty anti-gay and anti-women's rights (from what I've seen), but hey, you can't build Rome in a day.

... Or something like that.


For the anti-gay and anti-women's rights, that comes from picking a leader from a subset made up of celibate men in their 60s,70s, and 80s. It's still a farked up system, but one can at least explain where the mindset is coming from. I expect the church to change as the people who grow up not caring about gay vs straight join the priesthood and move up (slowly, because a progressive bishop will be stymied by intransigent Italians). If the church was smart, they'd jump on the gay bandwagon NOW and try to embrace them. Putting in some vague rule about how priest marriage is still not cool, but men of the Lord are permitted to have companions in a purely platonic sense ("Keep it to yourself either way") would improve their recruitment numbers as well.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:31 PM  
Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:35 PM  
they're still all babby butt farkers.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:07 PM  

MrSteve007: Here's the BBC article about his living quarters: "Pope Francis shuns grand apartment for two rooms"


You can't expect liberals to know how to read. Anything that doesn't fit their personal bigotry is simply rejected as impossible.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:36 PM  

Bullseyed: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

No, he still is living like an average guy. Subby is just an uneducated moron troll atheist, like any other.


I like the bit where he called up his formerly local newspaper back in South America to cancel his subscription. The person on the other end of the phone couldn't believe it was Franky.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:52 PM  

xanadian: mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...

He still seems pretty anti-gay and anti-women's rights (from what I've seen), but hey, you can't build Rome in a day.

... Or something like that.


Yeah I'd have to agree, he did try to compromise on gay marriage in Argentinia by suggesting civil unions instead but got voted down by the other cardinals in the country, I will give him that. But yeah like you said, can't build Rome in a day...
 
2013-05-16 01:45:52 PM  
some people are really generous with other peoples money, maybe he is setting himself up to be a politician
 
2013-05-16 01:45:55 PM  
It's been said before, but priests don't have a vow of poverty, neither does the Pope.  Religious orders tend to, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.  A vow of poverty is a vow to not 'own' anything significant, but rather to live at the charity of others through the community you are a part of.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own his car, he uses a car owned by the Jesuits.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own property, he lives on property owned by the Jesuits.  etc. etc.  Even clothes and stuff tend to be provided by the order, rather than something you save for and own.  Same with retirement etc.

Second, for those of you who can't get over the shoes thing, seriously, if you can't behave like an adult in conversation, perhaps you shouldn't take part in it.  The ONLY friggen difference between the shoes Benedict wore, and the shoes Francis wears  is the color.  Red dyed leather is no more expensive than brown dyed leather, and they all come from a cobbler at the Vatican whose job is to make shoes for people at the Vatican.  You could argue it fits in the whole eliminating a culture of money thing because it is supporting a local trades person practicing the family art, and eliminating any branding or corporate culture associated with the clothing.
 
2013-05-16 01:48:34 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


comicbookrealm.com

Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.
 
2013-05-16 01:49:34 PM  
MrSteve007:

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


TFA says the Pope "has made clear the poor are his priority." Okay, so he's going to make sure every rich Catholic person, institution and organization follow Jesus' advice?

Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


 
2013-05-16 01:51:04 PM  
Maybe you should try doing some basic research into your subject before you start shooting your mouth off about him, mmkay?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
 
2013-05-16 01:52:13 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-16 01:53:48 PM  

The One True TheDavid: MrSteve007:

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

TFA says the Pope "has made clear the poor are his priority." Okay, so he's going to make sure every rich Catholic person, institution and organization follow Jesus' advice?

Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


Oh! I love taking things out of context!

Read the many passages before that and it's about getting someone to give up what they have inthat they could hold in higher regard to God. Or something like that. It's been a decade or so.

But randomly quoting shiat you don't understand, study and use out of context is FUN! And easy too!

Do you do the Qu'ran too?
 
2013-05-16 01:54:28 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.
 
2013-05-16 01:54:40 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


What's not said, but understood, is that after you come back to follow him, you get to keep everything you collect in his name.
 
2013-05-16 01:54:52 PM  

olddeegee: Does he have a tiny giraffe? Opulence, does he has it?


When a little boy bends over, HE JUMPS IN IT
 
2013-05-16 01:55:42 PM  
The One True TheDavid

The point of that passage isn't that money is inherently evil, and that all followers must do what he instructed that one guy to do.  The point is that following all the rules (which if you actually posted the whole story you'd be able to see) isn't enough.  The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.  Christ does point out that money is a tough one to let go of, but doesn't say you have to be poor.

There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service (ex. Joseph of Aramathea (sp?), a wealthy follower who provided the tomb), or wealth being used to honor God being okay (the poor woman spending 300 days wages on expensive oil to anoint Christ's feet).
 
2013-05-16 01:57:45 PM  

Gonz: He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime


He's only got what's left of one lifetime, he's already 76.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:16 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Some people around here are going to hate on him no matter what he says or does. Kind of like a reverse tea party/obama thing.


Look at it this way:

EA is in the process of finding a new CEO. Are you going to run right out and buy SimCity as soon as he takes office, or are you going to wait a bit to see if he or she can correct the problems? Surely you won't blame him or her for the issues there that you see right now, but instead you'll give it time until you see something that is definitely their responsibility.

I'm an atheist, but I understand how much this guy influences the actions and attitudes of people around the globe. I hope he's either progressive and stops denouncing gay people and condoms, or else he is as bad as the last guy and says things so stupid that people leave the church and discover a new morality for themselves that is actually beneficial to their fellow man.

Same with EA - I hope that either they straighten things out and release good games again, or their business practices are so bad that the company fails and their licenses get sold to other companies that will do things better.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:52 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Snark aside, I really like Francis version 1.0. As a non-Christian, I can respect that the guy walks the walk as best he can. I don't blame the current pope for having all the gold stuff, land, and art from the Renaissance as long as he is promoting it for public use (like museums and digitizing archives - both of which are currently happening). The fact that the church is treating the stuff as an insight into history rather than as a necessity for day to day operations speaks volumes. Personally, I hope the current Pontiff puts in 30-40 years on the throne because the church NEEDS it.


"Sins of the father" as it were. It's going to take many years to change opinions, and the Catholic Church must be committed to it beyond Francis. They need to make the hard choices to move into the 21st century and trim the fat or they may find themselves hardly relevant in the modern world.
 
2013-05-16 02:00:10 PM  

Isitoveryet: Carn: God's money? Is that like monopoly money?

maybe more like monopsony?


haha nice
 
2013-05-16 02:01:02 PM  
Lighten up, Francis
 
2013-05-16 02:02:00 PM  
This Pope is definitely a master of the symbolic gesture. No doubt about it. Let me know when anything remotely resembling a structural change in the Catholic Church occurs.
 
2013-05-16 02:03:09 PM  

alchemiholic: Subby may be thinking of the last Pope.


This is the last Pope.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:04 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.


Came here to say this. There's no love lost between me and organized religions period, but within the context of what a "good Catholic" ought to be according to their own doctrine, this guy seems like the genuine article. Too bad for them that he was too humble to accept the papacy the first time round.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:05 PM  
I will believe that he's not an evil hypocrite when he auctions off his gold-plated nation-state that was built from the proceeds of centuries of fleecing and oppressing the poor, and uses the proceeds to help the poor.

Building more churches to "help" by improving revenues does not count.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:05 PM  

Cagey B: This Pope is definitely a master of the symbolic gesture. No doubt about it. Let me know when anything remotely resembling a structural change in the Catholic Church occurs.


Oh yeah. He definitely seems to not be following up on what he's been pr-OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.

Yeah he's definitely not trying to change anything.

As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.

Damn normal people and their inability to grasp the larger scale.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:14 PM  
Lapsed Catholic here...I admire his attitude toward some hot button issues so far. I was a little disappointed with his thoughts about homosexuality and gay marriage. But I also understand that this is a very old institution. A new pope isn't going to change things overnight. I think he's really trying to fix things and set a good example toward people in general, recognizing that people have different beliefs. Hopefully this pope is the first of 2-3 popes down the road who will continue the changes.
 
2013-05-16 02:06:23 PM  

Gonz: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.


It was great when it all began. I was a regular Frankie fan.
 
2013-05-16 02:07:34 PM  

foxy_canuck: It's been said before, but priests don't have a vow of poverty, neither does the Pope.  Religious orders tend to, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.  A vow of poverty is a vow to not 'own' anything significant, but rather to live at the charity of others through the community you are a part of.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own his car, he uses a car owned by the Jesuits.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own property, he lives on property owned by the Jesuits.  etc. etc.  Even clothes and stuff tend to be provided by the order, rather than something you save for and own.  Same with retirement etc.

Second, for those of you who can't get over the shoes thing, seriously, if you can't behave like an adult in conversation, perhaps you shouldn't take part in it.  The ONLY friggen difference between the shoes Benedict wore, and the shoes Francis wears  is the color.  Red dyed leather is no more expensive than brown dyed leather, and they all come from a cobbler at the Vatican whose job is to make shoes for people at the Vatican.  You could argue it fits in the whole eliminating a culture of money thing because it is supporting a local trades person practicing the family art, and eliminating any branding or corporate culture associated with the clothing.


Seems to me the pope is doing just that. I don't think he owns much of anything. Everything he has is basically on loan from the vatican. Hes even turned down a lot of the fancier stuff. If he got excommunicated from the church tomorrow he would basically be a homeless person.
 
2013-05-16 02:08:12 PM  

Speef: I will believe that he's not an evil hypocrite when he auctions off his gold-plated nation-state that was built from the proceeds of centuries of fleecing and oppressing the poor, and uses the proceeds to help the poor.

Building more churches to "help" by improving revenues does not count.


Oh good! More ignorance to blast:

He can't just give away the historic relics and the like. Even IF they were his to sell off, I don't know who would buy it, it'd be better in a museum most of it I'd imagine.

But hey, you can completely ignore the fact he gives away his money pretty damn freely, and doesn't do the indulgence bit as far as can be seen.
 
2013-05-16 02:10:03 PM  

foxy_canuck: The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.


foxy_canuck: There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service


And by service to god they mean giving your wealth to the church, and recruiting more people who will give their wealth to the church.

My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.
 
2013-05-16 02:10:37 PM  
douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?
 
2013-05-16 02:11:00 PM  
Well I know who's going in my celebrity death-pool!
 
2013-05-16 02:11:26 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.


I'm not going to say that there isn't a strong anti-religious streak on Fark; for a lot of atheists, this is one of the few places they can vent, as often they are surrounded by family or coworkers or bosses that they just can't talk about stuff like that in front of because so many people take it so personally.

You have to admit that a powerful leader such as the pope telling the people of Africa that condoms cause AIDS does real and true harm to people. Then we have the child sex scandals.

It's enough that people begin to question the "net good" that the Catholic church does in feeding the hungry, etc, as most Atheists do not believe that "saving souls" is a tick in the positive.,
 
2013-05-16 02:11:39 PM  

moondo: Sort of reminds me of liberal politicians and hollywood stars.


Like Clint Eastwood and Ronald  Reagan?
 
2013-05-16 02:12:41 PM  

local vagrant: douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?


smugness?
 
2013-05-16 02:14:20 PM  

netweavr: Well I know who's going in my celebrity death-pool!


I've got 50 down with a guy at work that Franky has an 'accident' or 'sudden case of the dying' before the year is out.

I hope he donates to the poor what was supposed to be Vatican bonuses again. That'll almost synch it.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:17 PM  
You didn't earn your money, God let you earn it. Now hand it over.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:20 PM  

mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
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And this is his personal office:
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He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...


Which might be why he's so keen on cooking his own food.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:58 PM  

foxy_canuck: The One True TheDavid

The point of that passage isn't that money is inherently evil, and that all followers must do what he instructed that one guy to do.  The point is that following all the rules (which if you actually posted the whole story you'd be able to see) isn't enough.  The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.  Christ does point out that money is a tough one to let go of, but doesn't say you have to be poor.

There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service (ex. Joseph of Aramathea (sp?), a wealthy follower who provided the tomb), or wealth being used to honor God being okay (the poor woman spending 300 days wages on expensive oil to anoint Christ's feet).


Didn't he find the Holy Hand grenade os Antioch?
 
2013-05-16 02:16:48 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: I've got 50 down with a guy at work that Franky has an 'accident' or 'sudden case of the dying' before the year is out.

I hope he donates to the poor what was supposed to be Vatican bonuses again. That'll almost synch it.


No one will kill him off. It's all just marketing. A rebranding of the church to make it popular again.
 
2013-05-16 02:17:30 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.


None of those are anything more than gestures. Though I'm sure he'll be renowned throughout history for "calling out" things.

Capo Del Bandito: As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.


"Man, you don't go actually changing things! What's wrong with you?"

This is theater. Theater that for whatever reason people love to eat up. More power to you I guess if you're into WWE: The Pope, but this congratulatory attitude people have about him is completely unwarranted by any actual accomplishments.
 
2013-05-16 02:17:37 PM  

Gonz: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.


Actually according to the Archbishop of Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, they elected him because of supernatural signs experienced during the conclave.

Personally, I don't trust the guy.  And the more I hear, the less I trust him, because he is making himself out to be exactly what I think a Pope should be.

"We got us a saying where I'm from..."
25.media.tumblr.com
 
GBB
2013-05-16 02:18:24 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: foxy_canuck: The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.

foxy_canuck: There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service

And by service to god they mean giving your wealth to the church, and recruiting more people who will give their wealth to the church.

My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.


Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow?  To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader?  A leader is a man, and that man can be killed.  But a god cannot be killed, and as long as someone believes that their god protects the leader and demands retribution upon those that hurt the leader, then the religion will continue.   And by-laws will be created by the leader, under the premise of "divine inspiration", to further exploit followers.  It is not the church you hate, it is religion, because that is what religion is.
 
Skr
2013-05-16 02:18:36 PM  
How much are Indulgences running for these days?
 
2013-05-16 02:20:15 PM  

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.


This is the only post most people here should post.  Nothing else, simply, "I don't like this so I'm posting to say how much I don't like it and anyone who disagrees will be called a troll!"

Then the sheep fall into line: "Oh!  (S)He's T-Famous!  I know that name!  I must join their agreement regardless of my personal views!"

Of course, that's not everyone and occasionally some transfer of knowledge and enlightenment occurs but that's so rare that I hardly read most of these any longer.

Much like the Pope's hypocrisy (and follower's) this will never change and is, arguably, necessary for those who think for themselves to know where to start.
 
2013-05-16 02:22:13 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


A canadian helped him
 
2013-05-16 02:24:26 PM  

Skr: How much are Indulgences running for these days?


Not sure, how much are they charging for carbon credits?
 
2013-05-16 02:25:32 PM  

Cagey B: Capo Del Bandito: OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.

None of those are anything more than gestures. Though I'm sure he'll be renowned throughout history for "calling out" things.

Capo Del Bandito: As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.

"Man, you don't go actually changing things! What's wrong with you?"

This is theater. Theater that for whatever reason people love to eat up. More power to you I guess if you're into WWE: The Pope, but this congratulatory attitude people have about him is completely unwarranted by any actual accomplishments.


And if you were intelligent enough to understand the actual structure of the church, where to start, how to get it rolling, accepted, passed on and whatnot, I'd say you have a point.

But you're just another armchair general type who believes he knows what he's talking about in terms of how the world works.

Me? I'm just an asshole who thinks Franky guy is trying to do something new. I could be wrong. But that's why I said 'thinks'. You should try it sometime.

J. Frank Parnell: No one will kill him off. It's all just marketing. A rebranding of the church to make it popular again.


Ah yes. Judging with no actual evidence of that actually occuring. Can you name past incidences where this happened? I'll be honest, I'm not big on Pope Lore.

I mean, it's great to believe the church made up of either old fashioned religious types, perverts and/or possibly a few true believers in what they preach, somehow has the ability to convince the world 'it's so cool to believe in the church again, donate to the poor just like we're doing."
 
2013-05-16 02:25:42 PM  

Skr: How much are Indulgences running for these days?


Hands and Feet
Manicure $25
Gel Polish Manicure $40
Indulgence Manicure (with paraffin wax) $35
Princess Manicure (12 and under) $18
Express Manicure $20
Pedicure $50
Gel Polish Pedicure $65
Indulgence Pedicure (with paraffin wax) $55
Princess Pedicure (12 and Under) $35
Mens Foot Treatment $40
Polish Change $10
Gel Polish $15
French Polish (Gel) $20
Gel Enhancements
Full Set $60+
Fill $45+
Nail Repair $10
Removal $20


Indulgence price list
 
2013-05-16 02:27:35 PM  

GBB: Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow? To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader? A leader is a man, and that man can be killed. But a god cannot be killed, and as long as someone believes that their god protects the leader and demands retribution upon those that hurt the leader, then the religion will continue. And by-laws will be created by the leader, under the premise of "divine inspiration", to further exploit followers. It is not the church you hate, it is religion, because that is what religion is.


And don't forget the "our God is better than your God" nonsense. See: Exodus.
 
2013-05-16 02:28:34 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.


Man, livin at home was such a drag.
 
2013-05-16 02:29:28 PM  
Can you drive a popemobile through the eye of a needle?
 
2013-05-16 02:32:34 PM  

GBB: Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow? To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader?


Not necessarily. Some belief systems, and even some interpretations of the bible, encourage a personal relationship with god. What the church does is put themselves in between man and god, acting like some kind of doorman you have to deal with in order to see god, and speaking on behalf of god, when anyone can get in touch with god by looking inwards.
 
2013-05-16 02:33:57 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: And if you were intelligent enough to understand the actual structure of the church, where to start, how to get it rolling, accepted, passed on and whatnot, I'd say you have a point.

But you're just another armchair general type who believes he knows what he's talking about in terms of how the world works.


So you have no actual argument, and will now resort to name-calling. Nicely done. I hope for the Catholic Church's sake that you're not a product of one of their educational institutions.
 
2013-05-16 02:34:58 PM  

Aquapope: Can you drive a popemobile through the eye of a needle?


www.uptake.com
yes
 
2013-05-16 02:35:45 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.


Calm down.  Here, drink this glass of fluoridated water.
 
2013-05-16 02:35:52 PM  

Thisbymaster: Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.


Was this a joke? Or have you never heard of the cathedrals scattered all over Europe? They have been opulent since before any of those corporations even existed.
 
2013-05-16 02:37:55 PM  

umad: Thisbymaster: Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.

Was this a joke? Or have you never heard of the cathedrals scattered all over Europe? They have been opulent since before any of those corporations even existed.


But does either have a miniature giraffe?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-16 02:38:27 PM  

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.


Pointing out the monumental hypocrisy of something isn't the same as dismissing it.
 
2013-05-16 02:44:30 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.

Man, livin at home was such a drag.


Your mom threw away your best porno mag
 
2013-05-16 02:46:18 PM  

Isitoveryet: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

me too.


Same here.  I'm not Catholic, but I'm coming to have a real respect for Pope Francis, more than I thought I would ever have for a Pope.

I don't agree with him on some issues, but he's certainly practicing what he preaches.
 
2013-05-16 02:49:40 PM  

hobberwickey: /How did he become pope?


The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why he's your king pope.
 
2013-05-16 02:53:10 PM  
A Franciscan, a Dominican, and a Jesuit were out playing golf one day. They were moving along the course quite well until they got stuck behind a group of golfers who were taking quite a long time and weren't letting anyone else play through. Feeling irritated, the three priests went to the club manager to complain. The manager told them that the slow golfers were blind. "It takes them more time," he said. "Please be patient."
The Franciscan was mortified. He got down on his knees and begged God's forgiveness for his anger. The Dominican was also chagrined. He repented of his impatience, and vowed to do more to help the poor and disabled.
However, the Jesuit wasn't impressed. He asked the manager, "why don't you make them play at night?"
 
2013-05-16 02:54:47 PM  

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.
 
2013-05-16 02:57:28 PM  

johnny_vegas: The Irresponsible Captain: Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x587]


imageshack.us

I've updated it for you.
 
2013-05-16 02:57:44 PM  
Oh, this isn't going to be about Ben Bernaki?
 
2013-05-16 02:58:45 PM  

LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.


well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.
 
2013-05-16 02:58:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"


/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead
 
2013-05-16 03:02:34 PM  
C'mon, aren't you just dying to hear what they're saying over in Freeperland?

"People get mad when I call him a Communist. But the truth hurts."

"The "pope" thereby proves himself to have absolutely NO IDEA what money is. Very similar to an Obama drone."

"Didn't take him long to make that left turn."

"Oh crap. We've got a socialist / communist as Pope. This will not end well."

"I fear his holiness has confused "unchecked capitalism" with corrupt socialism. It is the loss of the rule of law and the loss of equality of opportunity, not capitalism, which leads to inequality of wealth." - This, by the way, comes from a guy who uses a picture N. B. Forrest (the Confederate general) with all his posts.

"I don't like this pope - he comes from the school of Rev Wright - Liberation Theology, aka Marxism."

"Ecclesiastes 10:19 ...money answereth all things"

"OK, I'm done with him. Disappointing as I was really liking him."

"Communism is atheistic. The Pope is just another foolish socialist. "
 
2013-05-16 03:03:20 PM  
It's your money that's evil
Not theirs.

/where's my scourge, Jesus asked ....
 
2013-05-16 03:04:55 PM  

local vagrant: douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?


You go out of your way to be a waffling twat who never makes a final decision on anything. Ever.
 
2013-05-16 03:09:53 PM  
I wouldn't have believed it coming from Palpatine, but I'll believe it coming from Frances; the guy seems as legit as one can get at that level of power.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what he'll do about what Palpatine called "the filth" (the church's rampant pedophilia problem).
 
2013-05-16 03:15:05 PM  

MysticKakarrott: I'm having a real hard time getting angry about this sentiment.  Methinks he was talking to the Catholic leadership as much as he was talking to the leaders of the global financial system.


Yeah, pretty much this. He's already made it clear he wants to bust some ass in the Vatican Bank.


hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


It was apparently a miracle, at least twice over. Wasn't this on the front page in the last day or so?
 
2013-05-16 03:15:43 PM  

opiumpoopy: The Pope wears RED shoes, submitter.


The last pope did.  I thought this pope shunned the custom made shoe thing.
 
2013-05-16 03:26:44 PM  

KatjaMouse: I thought he rejected the fancy shoes and some of the more formal vestments.


He did. He also isn't living in the rooms traditionally used by past Popes.
 
2013-05-16 03:31:34 PM  
FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock
 
2013-05-16 03:32:54 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


Jesuits do.
 
2013-05-16 03:36:16 PM  

miscreant: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur


Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
 
2013-05-16 03:39:21 PM  
 
2013-05-16 03:39:43 PM  

Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock


Apparently, billions of people on this planet hate this woman...

images.soundspike.com

And I don't really know why. I don't have much interest in her myself.
 
2013-05-16 03:45:32 PM  
Stealing my own comments from a previous thread:

Shouldn't we stop those living below the poverty line from donating money to religious organizations?  They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.  Why do we allow people who already have it bad to make it worse on themselves in return for some hope of magical favor literally descending upon them from the heavens?

When churches refuse donations from their most poor members, then I'll start believing that these churches are practicing what they preach.
 
2013-05-16 03:45:47 PM  

img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Albino_L uciani%2C_1969_(3).jpg/220px-Albino_Luciani%2C_1969_(3).jpg">
href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7753474/84250821#c84250821">TheSha v ingofOccam123:


"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"

/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead




Lucianni (JP1), "The smiling Pope" with his short stay, is solidly in my top five Papa listing. His great joy alone was enough to earn my regard. Of course "The Good Pope", J23, was the greatest and most necessary Pope ever. I do have faith in Francis even considering some untoward quips in his past. I think he can do great work to restore some of the spirit of Vatican II (open windows etc.) which has been somewhat eroded with JP2 and Benedict. Popin' aint easy.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:05 PM  

quietwalker: They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.


That's a bold statement.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:10 PM  
Ah yes, the daily "fark the Catholics" thread.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:54 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock

Apparently, billions of people on this planet hate this woman...

[images.soundspike.com image 271x194]

And I don't really know why. I don't have much interest in her myself.


Billions of people hate Reba McEntire?
 
2013-05-16 03:52:03 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.


Your mom threw away your best porno mag.

You gotta fight.
 
2013-05-16 03:54:29 PM  

Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock


Paper and even digital money (debt?) is nothing new either. Both have been around (in one form or another) as long as the Church. Yet Francis is right to confront this tyranny however ingrained over time. It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.
 
2013-05-16 04:02:30 PM  
Subby, the pope doesn't actually own those precious paitings or the golden toilet anymore than Obama owns the whitehouse or air force one. And its still okay for Obama to talk about economic disparity even though he's temporarily in nice diggs that go with the office.
 
2013-05-16 04:05:40 PM  
Does anyone else see the possibility that the old pope, Ratzenhammer, might have stood down so's he could put someone like the new pope, Senor Salt-of-the-earth, up as a face? He moves back into the papal shindigs and starts the holy wars. A pretty neat set-up, as Pope Frannie will take the heat, a variant on Cheney's move to power. And a good reason that Francis ain't using the grand ballroom (Ya think pedo is a lower-caste activity?), to direct the papal missives.

/conspiracy, I tells ya!

CSB: My ex Ma-in-law grew up in the Salvation Army, where being overtly rich is a sin. They didn't tithe, they kept the tithe and gave everything else to the church. She became a hospice nurse, then retired to the ocean. When time came to get her in assisted living, we cleared out the house and put it up for sale. Her bedroom was spartan, a single bed and end table, a chest of drawers, and a table with prayer things. Nothing else, the other two bedrooms were storage spaces for craft stuff. Noone held her to it, it was the way she preferred. /end CSB

/Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.
 
2013-05-16 04:06:30 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Ah yes, the daily "fark the Catholics" thread.


If it's good enough for the priests and altar boys, why not us?

/Don't mean that but, come on, man, you set yourself up for that joke!
 
2013-05-16 04:08:52 PM  

Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.


This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.
 
2013-05-16 04:15:09 PM  

phalaeo: opiumpoopy: The Pope wears RED shoes, submitter.

The last pope did.  I thought this pope shunned the custom made shoe thing.


He WAS going to wear the red shoes but this biatch from Kansas rolled up with a posse and ganked them.
 
2013-05-16 04:15:20 PM  

Pangea: Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.

This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.


I see your point. But I maintain that since the eighties we have allowed regression of many socio-economic advances we have made in the further past to which you rightfully allude.
 
2013-05-16 04:27:57 PM  

Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.


I'm certain he 'liked that kind of thing' and that his selected name is to recall, honor, and announce his intentions to emulate the ideals of St. Francis of Assissi. However "Fran" is not of the Franciscan order.
 
2013-05-16 04:30:25 PM  

Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.


Actually, he's a Jesuit.  The first Jesuit pope.

OTOH, Jesuits actually do swear an Oath of Poverty, unlike most Catholic clergy.
 
2013-05-16 04:42:12 PM  

Ablejack: Pangea: Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.

This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.

I see your point. But I maintain that since the eighties we have allowed regression of many socio-economic advances we have made in the further past to which you rightfully allude.


This internet "not-fighting" is weird to me. I'll take this opportunity to admit that I think things have actually deteriorated since I was a yute. Mainly for the low-wage, non-industrial crowd.

When I entered college I was averaging $10-15 an hour delivering pizza part-time and was able to pay most of my tuition with that. I am grateful to be where I am now.
 
2013-05-16 04:57:38 PM  

mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...


Speaking as an actual traditional Catholic, that is completely false. We like the guy, too. He's orthodox in faith and practice and merciful to those who are in need of it. That's what traditional Catholicism IS.
 
2013-05-16 05:18:33 PM  
Because the pope bought all those opulent items yesterday.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:33 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123:

upload.wikimedia.org


"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"

Tuum aspicere frumentariam foramen amicum.

/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead


// Fixum quod pro vobis.
 
2013-05-16 05:39:15 PM  

Ablejack: Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.

I'm certain he 'liked that kind of thing' and that his selected name is to recall, honor, and announce his intentions to emulate the ideals of St. Francis of Assissi. However "Fran" is not of the Franciscan order.


Silverstaff: Mikeyworld:

Actually, he's a Jesuit.  The first Jesuit pope.

OTOH, Jesuits actually do swear an Oath of Poverty, unlike most Catholic clergy.


I stand corrected, gentlemen.

/and I am assuming on the 'gentlemen'
//he still could be a front for the Nazi, though.
///Virgule,virgule,virgule
 
2013-05-16 05:43:23 PM  

johnny_vegas: LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.

well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.



Most people, regardless of their belief system, have a sort of psychological need to belittle other people and make themselves feel superior or feel better about themselves.  And some people do it in public or on internet forums. That's just the way it is.
 
2013-05-16 05:44:54 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


exactly what I thought on reading this. if he starts selling Vatican treasures to fund initiatives for the poor, I give him 6 months to a year before he dies of 'natural' causes.
 
2013-05-16 05:46:44 PM  

degenerate-afro: PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.

The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious


THIS
 
2013-05-16 05:49:58 PM  

quietwalker: Stealing my own comments from a previous thread:

Shouldn't we stop those living below the poverty line from donating money to religious organizations?  They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.  Why do we allow people who already have it bad to make it worse on themselves in return for some hope of magical favor literally descending upon them from the heavens?

When churches refuse donations from their most poor members, then I'll start believing that these churches are practicing what they preach.


Ain't gonna happen:

He looked up and saw rich people putting their gifts into the treasury; he also saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. He said, 'Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; for all of them have contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.'
Luke 21:1-4 (NRSV)

Now, most Christians interpret this to mean something along the lines of "give 'til it hurts". I have other thoughts, but since I'm an Atheist, my opinion won't matter to them anyway.
 
2013-05-16 05:50:54 PM  

Isitoveryet: Awesome.

his message needs to fall on every ear.

If you're religious then you know that's not your money in the first place, it's Gods money & everything you achieve is through his grace.


It may be God's money, but Caesar's picture is on it.
 
2013-05-16 06:23:40 PM  

oldass31: johnny_vegas: LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.

well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.


Most people, regardless of their belief system, have a sort of psychological need to belittle other people and make themselves feel superior or feel better about themselves.  And some people do it in public or on internet forums. That's just the way it is.


Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke you vacuous, toffy-nosed, malodorous pervert!
 
2013-05-16 06:30:07 PM  
Only because I have little faith to happen across a more pertinent thread;
Hey Luciani (you know, the Fall song about Pope John Paul I - the Smiling Pope)
 
2013-05-16 06:45:58 PM  
Michael Moore?
farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-16 06:59:36 PM  

MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
msnbcmedia.msn.com

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


Apparently, the Pope is an oak man.

sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-16 07:00:32 PM  
It's probably mahogany, but whatever.
 
2013-05-16 07:12:27 PM  
Another way to interpret this is: Pope Francis is a believer that it is the word of god that should motivate followers, not the wealth of the church. He believes wealth has corrupted the church, and applies the same standards to worldly political systems. He wants to remove that corrupting influence from both.

I can't say to what extent that would be true, but it doesn't seem particularly inconsistent with what he has said and done so far.
 
2013-05-16 07:31:10 PM  

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.




Not at all. It's slick. They are adapting to survive. No wonder they embrace evolution.

We really should snuff them though. They will be a pain in the ass in a hundred years or so.
 
2013-05-16 08:28:24 PM  

Joe Blowme: miscreant: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.


Look, if I went 'round saying I was Emperor because some watery bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
 
2013-05-16 10:02:36 PM  
Oh, the Pope? I thought this was about Donald Trump
 
2013-05-16 10:17:08 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
HKW
2013-05-16 11:54:01 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.


... and the largest healthcare providers in the country.  and one of the largest private education providers in the country, and ect..    So, I take it your a fan of TBN? or maybe Jessie Duplantis?  T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen?  All of which have bigger personal aircraft than the Pope.

Its easy to point at 'opulence' but all of those golden items do not belong to Francis, they belong to the Church.   And most of the church is self supporting at the local level.

There is no procurement office in the Vatican in which someone says "Well, I think the Pope needs a golden roll of toilet tissue" and then submits Proposals to contractors.  Bids are not collected and contracts are not awarded so that an item can be made and then stored in the popes treaury of cool-flashy-thingies.

Much the same as with the Monarch of the UK, people build/craft items for the Glory of God and His Church and are, it not always, gifts..  And, after 1,000+ years, the Church has collected quite alot of items from alot of ppl.

An example of self-support would be the 'new' basilica, Sagrada Família, in Barcelona, Spain.  Construction began in 1882, and its hopped to be completed in 2026..   All of it is donated money specifically for its construction.
 
2013-05-17 10:58:29 AM  

HKW: J. Frank Parnell: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.

... and the largest healthcare providers in the country.  and one of the largest private education providers in the country, and ect..    So, I take it your a fan of TBN? or maybe Jessie Duplantis?  T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen?  All of which have bigger personal aircraft than the Pope.

Its easy to point at 'opulence' but all of those golden items do not belong to Francis, they belong to the Church.   And most of the church is self supporting at the local level.

There is no procurement office in the Vatican in which someone says "Well, I think the Pope needs a golden roll of toilet tissue" and then submits Proposals to contractors.  Bids are not collected and contracts are not awarded so that an item can be made and then stored in the popes treaury of cool-flashy-thingies.

Much the same as with the Monarch of the UK, people build/craft items for the Glory of God and His Church and are, it not always, gifts..  And, after 1,000+ years, the Church has collected quite alot of items from alot of ppl.

An example of self-support would be the 'new' basilica, Sagrada Família, in Barcelona, Spain.  Construction began in 1882, and its hopped to be completed in 2026..   All of it is donated money specifically for its construction.


Sagrada Familia is really, really, really cool. Gaudi is a killer architect that's for sure.
 
HKW
2013-05-17 10:32:14 PM  

rdu_voyager: The Catholic Church is the Titanic and Pope Francis took the wheel as the hull was starting to crack after hitting the iceberg.

It's still going down (metaphorically), but I think Francis has the best chance of making the wreck be not quite as bad as it otherwise would have been.


// I like my metaphors like I like my drinks - well mixed and filled with fruit.


Predicting the doom of the Catholic church....   YOU MUST BE A WIZARD
 
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