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2013-05-16 04:02:30 PM
Subby, the pope doesn't actually own those precious paitings or the golden toilet anymore than Obama owns the whitehouse or air force one. And its still okay for Obama to talk about economic disparity even though he's temporarily in nice diggs that go with the office.
 
2013-05-16 04:05:40 PM
Does anyone else see the possibility that the old pope, Ratzenhammer, might have stood down so's he could put someone like the new pope, Senor Salt-of-the-earth, up as a face? He moves back into the papal shindigs and starts the holy wars. A pretty neat set-up, as Pope Frannie will take the heat, a variant on Cheney's move to power. And a good reason that Francis ain't using the grand ballroom (Ya think pedo is a lower-caste activity?), to direct the papal missives.

/conspiracy, I tells ya!

CSB: My ex Ma-in-law grew up in the Salvation Army, where being overtly rich is a sin. They didn't tithe, they kept the tithe and gave everything else to the church. She became a hospice nurse, then retired to the ocean. When time came to get her in assisted living, we cleared out the house and put it up for sale. Her bedroom was spartan, a single bed and end table, a chest of drawers, and a table with prayer things. Nothing else, the other two bedrooms were storage spaces for craft stuff. Noone held her to it, it was the way she preferred. /end CSB

/Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.
 
2013-05-16 04:06:30 PM

SirEattonHogg: Ah yes, the daily "fark the Catholics" thread.


If it's good enough for the priests and altar boys, why not us?

/Don't mean that but, come on, man, you set yourself up for that joke!
 
2013-05-16 04:08:52 PM

Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.


This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.
 
2013-05-16 04:15:09 PM

phalaeo: opiumpoopy: The Pope wears RED shoes, submitter.

The last pope did.  I thought this pope shunned the custom made shoe thing.


He WAS going to wear the red shoes but this biatch from Kansas rolled up with a posse and ganked them.
 
2013-05-16 04:15:20 PM

Pangea: Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.

This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.


I see your point. But I maintain that since the eighties we have allowed regression of many socio-economic advances we have made in the further past to which you rightfully allude.
 
2013-05-16 04:27:57 PM

Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.


I'm certain he 'liked that kind of thing' and that his selected name is to recall, honor, and announce his intentions to emulate the ideals of St. Francis of Assissi. However "Fran" is not of the Franciscan order.
 
2013-05-16 04:30:25 PM

Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.


Actually, he's a Jesuit.  The first Jesuit pope.

OTOH, Jesuits actually do swear an Oath of Poverty, unlike most Catholic clergy.
 
2013-05-16 04:42:12 PM

Ablejack: Pangea: Ablejack: It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.

This is exactly the point that I contest. Regulations and labor unions didn't exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and people as expendable commodities was more true then. Also true in the 1930s and 40s. Also I would presume it was worse during feudal times.

I see your point. But I maintain that since the eighties we have allowed regression of many socio-economic advances we have made in the further past to which you rightfully allude.


This internet "not-fighting" is weird to me. I'll take this opportunity to admit that I think things have actually deteriorated since I was a yute. Mainly for the low-wage, non-industrial crowd.

When I entered college I was averaging $10-15 an hour delivering pizza part-time and was able to pay most of my tuition with that. I am grateful to be where I am now.
 
2013-05-16 04:57:38 PM

mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...


Speaking as an actual traditional Catholic, that is completely false. We like the guy, too. He's orthodox in faith and practice and merciful to those who are in need of it. That's what traditional Catholicism IS.
 
2013-05-16 05:18:33 PM
Because the pope bought all those opulent items yesterday.
 
2013-05-16 05:38:33 PM
TheShavingofOccam123:

upload.wikimedia.org


"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"

Tuum aspicere frumentariam foramen amicum.

/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead


// Fixum quod pro vobis.
 
2013-05-16 05:39:15 PM

Ablejack: Mikeyworld: /Maybe Pope Fran, being Franciscan (I wonder how he picked his name?), liked that kind of thing.

I'm certain he 'liked that kind of thing' and that his selected name is to recall, honor, and announce his intentions to emulate the ideals of St. Francis of Assissi. However "Fran" is not of the Franciscan order.


Silverstaff: Mikeyworld:

Actually, he's a Jesuit.  The first Jesuit pope.

OTOH, Jesuits actually do swear an Oath of Poverty, unlike most Catholic clergy.


I stand corrected, gentlemen.

/and I am assuming on the 'gentlemen'
//he still could be a front for the Nazi, though.
///Virgule,virgule,virgule
 
2013-05-16 05:43:23 PM

johnny_vegas: LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.

well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.



Most people, regardless of their belief system, have a sort of psychological need to belittle other people and make themselves feel superior or feel better about themselves.  And some people do it in public or on internet forums. That's just the way it is.
 
2013-05-16 05:44:54 PM

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


exactly what I thought on reading this. if he starts selling Vatican treasures to fund initiatives for the poor, I give him 6 months to a year before he dies of 'natural' causes.
 
2013-05-16 05:46:44 PM

degenerate-afro: PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.

The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious


THIS
 
2013-05-16 05:49:58 PM

quietwalker: Stealing my own comments from a previous thread:

Shouldn't we stop those living below the poverty line from donating money to religious organizations?  They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.  Why do we allow people who already have it bad to make it worse on themselves in return for some hope of magical favor literally descending upon them from the heavens?

When churches refuse donations from their most poor members, then I'll start believing that these churches are practicing what they preach.


Ain't gonna happen:

He looked up and saw rich people putting their gifts into the treasury; he also saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. He said, 'Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; for all of them have contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.'
Luke 21:1-4 (NRSV)

Now, most Christians interpret this to mean something along the lines of "give 'til it hurts". I have other thoughts, but since I'm an Atheist, my opinion won't matter to them anyway.
 
2013-05-16 05:50:54 PM

Isitoveryet: Awesome.

his message needs to fall on every ear.

If you're religious then you know that's not your money in the first place, it's Gods money & everything you achieve is through his grace.


It may be God's money, but Caesar's picture is on it.
 
2013-05-16 06:23:40 PM

oldass31: johnny_vegas: LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.

well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.


Most people, regardless of their belief system, have a sort of psychological need to belittle other people and make themselves feel superior or feel better about themselves.  And some people do it in public or on internet forums. That's just the way it is.


Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke you vacuous, toffy-nosed, malodorous pervert!
 
2013-05-16 06:30:07 PM
Only because I have little faith to happen across a more pertinent thread;
Hey Luciani (you know, the Fall song about Pope John Paul I - the Smiling Pope)
 
2013-05-16 06:45:58 PM
Michael Moore?
farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-16 06:59:36 PM

MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
msnbcmedia.msn.com

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


Apparently, the Pope is an oak man.

sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-16 07:00:32 PM
It's probably mahogany, but whatever.
 
2013-05-16 07:12:27 PM
Another way to interpret this is: Pope Francis is a believer that it is the word of god that should motivate followers, not the wealth of the church. He believes wealth has corrupted the church, and applies the same standards to worldly political systems. He wants to remove that corrupting influence from both.

I can't say to what extent that would be true, but it doesn't seem particularly inconsistent with what he has said and done so far.
 
2013-05-16 07:31:10 PM

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.




Not at all. It's slick. They are adapting to survive. No wonder they embrace evolution.

We really should snuff them though. They will be a pain in the ass in a hundred years or so.
 
2013-05-16 08:28:24 PM

Joe Blowme: miscreant: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.


Look, if I went 'round saying I was Emperor because some watery bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
 
2013-05-16 10:02:36 PM
Oh, the Pope? I thought this was about Donald Trump
 
2013-05-16 10:17:08 PM
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HKW
2013-05-16 11:54:01 PM

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.


... and the largest healthcare providers in the country.  and one of the largest private education providers in the country, and ect..    So, I take it your a fan of TBN? or maybe Jessie Duplantis?  T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen?  All of which have bigger personal aircraft than the Pope.

Its easy to point at 'opulence' but all of those golden items do not belong to Francis, they belong to the Church.   And most of the church is self supporting at the local level.

There is no procurement office in the Vatican in which someone says "Well, I think the Pope needs a golden roll of toilet tissue" and then submits Proposals to contractors.  Bids are not collected and contracts are not awarded so that an item can be made and then stored in the popes treaury of cool-flashy-thingies.

Much the same as with the Monarch of the UK, people build/craft items for the Glory of God and His Church and are, it not always, gifts..  And, after 1,000+ years, the Church has collected quite alot of items from alot of ppl.

An example of self-support would be the 'new' basilica, Sagrada Família, in Barcelona, Spain.  Construction began in 1882, and its hopped to be completed in 2026..   All of it is donated money specifically for its construction.
 
2013-05-17 10:58:29 AM

HKW: J. Frank Parnell: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

It's different when the catholic church does it, because they're selling seats in heaven.

He can talk about crap like this all he wants, but as long as the catholic church is the most opulent and decadent institution on earth it's just hypocrisy.

... and the largest healthcare providers in the country.  and one of the largest private education providers in the country, and ect..    So, I take it your a fan of TBN? or maybe Jessie Duplantis?  T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen?  All of which have bigger personal aircraft than the Pope.

Its easy to point at 'opulence' but all of those golden items do not belong to Francis, they belong to the Church.   And most of the church is self supporting at the local level.

There is no procurement office in the Vatican in which someone says "Well, I think the Pope needs a golden roll of toilet tissue" and then submits Proposals to contractors.  Bids are not collected and contracts are not awarded so that an item can be made and then stored in the popes treaury of cool-flashy-thingies.

Much the same as with the Monarch of the UK, people build/craft items for the Glory of God and His Church and are, it not always, gifts..  And, after 1,000+ years, the Church has collected quite alot of items from alot of ppl.

An example of self-support would be the 'new' basilica, Sagrada Família, in Barcelona, Spain.  Construction began in 1882, and its hopped to be completed in 2026..   All of it is donated money specifically for its construction.


Sagrada Familia is really, really, really cool. Gaudi is a killer architect that's for sure.
 
HKW
2013-05-17 10:32:14 PM

rdu_voyager: The Catholic Church is the Titanic and Pope Francis took the wheel as the hull was starting to crack after hitting the iceberg.

It's still going down (metaphorically), but I think Francis has the best chance of making the wreck be not quite as bad as it otherwise would have been.


// I like my metaphors like I like my drinks - well mixed and filled with fruit.


Predicting the doom of the Catholic church....   YOU MUST BE A WIZARD
 
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