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2013-05-16 02:15:20 PM

mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
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And this is his personal office:
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He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...


Which might be why he's so keen on cooking his own food.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:58 PM

foxy_canuck: The One True TheDavid

The point of that passage isn't that money is inherently evil, and that all followers must do what he instructed that one guy to do.  The point is that following all the rules (which if you actually posted the whole story you'd be able to see) isn't enough.  The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.  Christ does point out that money is a tough one to let go of, but doesn't say you have to be poor.

There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service (ex. Joseph of Aramathea (sp?), a wealthy follower who provided the tomb), or wealth being used to honor God being okay (the poor woman spending 300 days wages on expensive oil to anoint Christ's feet).


Didn't he find the Holy Hand grenade os Antioch?
 
2013-05-16 02:16:48 PM

Capo Del Bandito: I've got 50 down with a guy at work that Franky has an 'accident' or 'sudden case of the dying' before the year is out.

I hope he donates to the poor what was supposed to be Vatican bonuses again. That'll almost synch it.


No one will kill him off. It's all just marketing. A rebranding of the church to make it popular again.
 
2013-05-16 02:17:30 PM

Capo Del Bandito: OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.


None of those are anything more than gestures. Though I'm sure he'll be renowned throughout history for "calling out" things.

Capo Del Bandito: As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.


"Man, you don't go actually changing things! What's wrong with you?"

This is theater. Theater that for whatever reason people love to eat up. More power to you I guess if you're into WWE: The Pope, but this congratulatory attitude people have about him is completely unwarranted by any actual accomplishments.
 
2013-05-16 02:17:37 PM

Gonz: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.


Actually according to the Archbishop of Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, they elected him because of supernatural signs experienced during the conclave.

Personally, I don't trust the guy.  And the more I hear, the less I trust him, because he is making himself out to be exactly what I think a Pope should be.

"We got us a saying where I'm from..."
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GBB
2013-05-16 02:18:24 PM

J. Frank Parnell: foxy_canuck: The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.

foxy_canuck: There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service

And by service to god they mean giving your wealth to the church, and recruiting more people who will give their wealth to the church.

My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.


Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow?  To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader?  A leader is a man, and that man can be killed.  But a god cannot be killed, and as long as someone believes that their god protects the leader and demands retribution upon those that hurt the leader, then the religion will continue.   And by-laws will be created by the leader, under the premise of "divine inspiration", to further exploit followers.  It is not the church you hate, it is religion, because that is what religion is.
 
Skr
2013-05-16 02:18:36 PM
How much are Indulgences running for these days?
 
2013-05-16 02:20:15 PM

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.


This is the only post most people here should post.  Nothing else, simply, "I don't like this so I'm posting to say how much I don't like it and anyone who disagrees will be called a troll!"

Then the sheep fall into line: "Oh!  (S)He's T-Famous!  I know that name!  I must join their agreement regardless of my personal views!"

Of course, that's not everyone and occasionally some transfer of knowledge and enlightenment occurs but that's so rare that I hardly read most of these any longer.

Much like the Pope's hypocrisy (and follower's) this will never change and is, arguably, necessary for those who think for themselves to know where to start.
 
2013-05-16 02:22:13 PM

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


A canadian helped him
 
2013-05-16 02:24:26 PM

Skr: How much are Indulgences running for these days?


Not sure, how much are they charging for carbon credits?
 
2013-05-16 02:25:32 PM

Cagey B: Capo Del Bandito: OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.

None of those are anything more than gestures. Though I'm sure he'll be renowned throughout history for "calling out" things.

Capo Del Bandito: As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.

"Man, you don't go actually changing things! What's wrong with you?"

This is theater. Theater that for whatever reason people love to eat up. More power to you I guess if you're into WWE: The Pope, but this congratulatory attitude people have about him is completely unwarranted by any actual accomplishments.


And if you were intelligent enough to understand the actual structure of the church, where to start, how to get it rolling, accepted, passed on and whatnot, I'd say you have a point.

But you're just another armchair general type who believes he knows what he's talking about in terms of how the world works.

Me? I'm just an asshole who thinks Franky guy is trying to do something new. I could be wrong. But that's why I said 'thinks'. You should try it sometime.

J. Frank Parnell: No one will kill him off. It's all just marketing. A rebranding of the church to make it popular again.


Ah yes. Judging with no actual evidence of that actually occuring. Can you name past incidences where this happened? I'll be honest, I'm not big on Pope Lore.

I mean, it's great to believe the church made up of either old fashioned religious types, perverts and/or possibly a few true believers in what they preach, somehow has the ability to convince the world 'it's so cool to believe in the church again, donate to the poor just like we're doing."
 
2013-05-16 02:25:42 PM

Skr: How much are Indulgences running for these days?


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2013-05-16 02:27:35 PM

GBB: Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow? To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader? A leader is a man, and that man can be killed. But a god cannot be killed, and as long as someone believes that their god protects the leader and demands retribution upon those that hurt the leader, then the religion will continue. And by-laws will be created by the leader, under the premise of "divine inspiration", to further exploit followers. It is not the church you hate, it is religion, because that is what religion is.


And don't forget the "our God is better than your God" nonsense. See: Exodus.
 
2013-05-16 02:28:34 PM

Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.


Man, livin at home was such a drag.
 
2013-05-16 02:29:28 PM
Can you drive a popemobile through the eye of a needle?
 
2013-05-16 02:32:34 PM

GBB: Ah, but isn't that the entire point of religion and establishing a "god" to follow? To enslave the masses to serve the needs of the leader?


Not necessarily. Some belief systems, and even some interpretations of the bible, encourage a personal relationship with god. What the church does is put themselves in between man and god, acting like some kind of doorman you have to deal with in order to see god, and speaking on behalf of god, when anyone can get in touch with god by looking inwards.
 
2013-05-16 02:33:57 PM

Capo Del Bandito: And if you were intelligent enough to understand the actual structure of the church, where to start, how to get it rolling, accepted, passed on and whatnot, I'd say you have a point.

But you're just another armchair general type who believes he knows what he's talking about in terms of how the world works.


So you have no actual argument, and will now resort to name-calling. Nicely done. I hope for the Catholic Church's sake that you're not a product of one of their educational institutions.
 
2013-05-16 02:34:58 PM

Aquapope: Can you drive a popemobile through the eye of a needle?


www.uptake.com
yes
 
2013-05-16 02:35:45 PM

J. Frank Parnell: My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.


Calm down.  Here, drink this glass of fluoridated water.
 
2013-05-16 02:35:52 PM

Thisbymaster: Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.


Was this a joke? Or have you never heard of the cathedrals scattered all over Europe? They have been opulent since before any of those corporations even existed.
 
2013-05-16 02:37:55 PM

umad: Thisbymaster: Was the a joke? Or have you never heard of Dubai? Or just about any corporation? They are all may times more opulent then the church.

Was this a joke? Or have you never heard of the cathedrals scattered all over Europe? They have been opulent since before any of those corporations even existed.


But does either have a miniature giraffe?

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2013-05-16 02:38:27 PM

cboppert: The speech was good but I guess since it's coming from someone people on Fark don't like we should just dismiss it.


Pointing out the monumental hypocrisy of something isn't the same as dismissing it.
 
2013-05-16 02:44:30 PM

The Flexecutioner: Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.

Man, livin at home was such a drag.


Your mom threw away your best porno mag
 
2013-05-16 02:46:18 PM

Isitoveryet: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

me too.


Same here.  I'm not Catholic, but I'm coming to have a real respect for Pope Francis, more than I thought I would ever have for a Pope.

I don't agree with him on some issues, but he's certainly practicing what he preaches.
 
2013-05-16 02:49:40 PM

hobberwickey: /How did he become pope?


The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why he's your king pope.
 
2013-05-16 02:53:10 PM
A Franciscan, a Dominican, and a Jesuit were out playing golf one day. They were moving along the course quite well until they got stuck behind a group of golfers who were taking quite a long time and weren't letting anyone else play through. Feeling irritated, the three priests went to the club manager to complain. The manager told them that the slow golfers were blind. "It takes them more time," he said. "Please be patient."
The Franciscan was mortified. He got down on his knees and begged God's forgiveness for his anger. The Dominican was also chagrined. He repented of his impatience, and vowed to do more to help the poor and disabled.
However, the Jesuit wasn't impressed. He asked the manager, "why don't you make them play at night?"
 
2013-05-16 02:54:47 PM

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.
 
2013-05-16 02:57:28 PM

johnny_vegas: The Irresponsible Captain: Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.

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I've updated it for you.
 
2013-05-16 02:57:44 PM
Oh, this isn't going to be about Ben Bernaki?
 
2013-05-16 02:58:45 PM

LovingTeacher: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

No need to apologize to practicing catholics, they are free to leave the church any time they want to after they move out of mom and dad's house. I know I sure did and it's not like a priest ever showed up on my door to drag me back.


well good on you for rejecting the hypocrisy as you saw it...too bad you threw the baby out with the bathwater and also rejected the parts about not being an asshole.
 
2013-05-16 02:58:49 PM
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"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"


/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead
 
2013-05-16 03:02:34 PM
C'mon, aren't you just dying to hear what they're saying over in Freeperland?

"People get mad when I call him a Communist. But the truth hurts."

"The "pope" thereby proves himself to have absolutely NO IDEA what money is. Very similar to an Obama drone."

"Didn't take him long to make that left turn."

"Oh crap. We've got a socialist / communist as Pope. This will not end well."

"I fear his holiness has confused "unchecked capitalism" with corrupt socialism. It is the loss of the rule of law and the loss of equality of opportunity, not capitalism, which leads to inequality of wealth." - This, by the way, comes from a guy who uses a picture N. B. Forrest (the Confederate general) with all his posts.

"I don't like this pope - he comes from the school of Rev Wright - Liberation Theology, aka Marxism."

"Ecclesiastes 10:19 ...money answereth all things"

"OK, I'm done with him. Disappointing as I was really liking him."

"Communism is atheistic. The Pope is just another foolish socialist. "
 
2013-05-16 03:03:20 PM
It's your money that's evil
Not theirs.

/where's my scourge, Jesus asked ....
 
2013-05-16 03:04:55 PM

local vagrant: douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?


You go out of your way to be a waffling twat who never makes a final decision on anything. Ever.
 
2013-05-16 03:09:53 PM
I wouldn't have believed it coming from Palpatine, but I'll believe it coming from Frances; the guy seems as legit as one can get at that level of power.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what he'll do about what Palpatine called "the filth" (the church's rampant pedophilia problem).
 
2013-05-16 03:15:05 PM

MysticKakarrott: I'm having a real hard time getting angry about this sentiment.  Methinks he was talking to the Catholic leadership as much as he was talking to the leaders of the global financial system.


Yeah, pretty much this. He's already made it clear he wants to bust some ass in the Vatican Bank.


hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


It was apparently a miracle, at least twice over. Wasn't this on the front page in the last day or so?
 
2013-05-16 03:15:43 PM

opiumpoopy: The Pope wears RED shoes, submitter.


The last pope did.  I thought this pope shunned the custom made shoe thing.
 
2013-05-16 03:26:44 PM

KatjaMouse: I thought he rejected the fancy shoes and some of the more formal vestments.


He did. He also isn't living in the rooms traditionally used by past Popes.
 
2013-05-16 03:31:34 PM
FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock
 
2013-05-16 03:32:54 PM

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


Jesuits do.
 
2013-05-16 03:36:16 PM

miscreant: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Francis, was to carry Excalibur


Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
 
2013-05-16 03:39:21 PM
 
2013-05-16 03:39:43 PM

Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock


Apparently, billions of people on this planet hate this woman...

images.soundspike.com

And I don't really know why. I don't have much interest in her myself.
 
2013-05-16 03:45:32 PM
Stealing my own comments from a previous thread:

Shouldn't we stop those living below the poverty line from donating money to religious organizations?  They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.  Why do we allow people who already have it bad to make it worse on themselves in return for some hope of magical favor literally descending upon them from the heavens?

When churches refuse donations from their most poor members, then I'll start believing that these churches are practicing what they preach.
 
2013-05-16 03:45:47 PM

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href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7753474/84250821#c84250821">TheSha v ingofOccam123:


"Guarda il tuo buco di mais, amico"

/wanted to remove corruption from the Vatican Bank
/he met Jesus instead




Lucianni (JP1), "The smiling Pope" with his short stay, is solidly in my top five Papa listing. His great joy alone was enough to earn my regard. Of course "The Good Pope", J23, was the greatest and most necessary Pope ever. I do have faith in Francis even considering some untoward quips in his past. I think he can do great work to restore some of the spirit of Vatican II (open windows etc.) which has been somewhat eroded with JP2 and Benedict. Popin' aint easy.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:05 PM

quietwalker: They're responsible for the majority of money donated to churches and such both as a percentage of income and in total value.


That's a bold statement.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:10 PM
Ah yes, the daily "fark the Catholics" thread.
 
2013-05-16 03:50:54 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock

Apparently, billions of people on this planet hate this woman...

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And I don't really know why. I don't have much interest in her myself.


Billions of people hate Reba McEntire?
 
2013-05-16 03:52:03 PM

Igor Jakovsky: The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.

Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.


Your mom threw away your best porno mag.

You gotta fight.
 
2013-05-16 03:54:29 PM

Pangea: FTA: blasting the "cult of money" that he says is tyrannizing the poor and turning humans into expendable consumer goods.

Please. That's the way life has been since the dawn of humanity. The only thing new is that it's about paper/digital money instead of goods and livestock


Paper and even digital money (debt?) is nothing new either. Both have been around (in one form or another) as long as the Church. Yet Francis is right to confront this tyranny however ingrained over time. It is certainly true that the situation has been exacerbated over the past generation.
 
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