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2013-05-16 01:37:47 PM  

hobberwickey: /How did he become pope?


Cardinal 1: Everyone's been riding up our asses to elect either a black pope of someone from South America.
Cardinal 2: Well, why don't we elect that one guy in Africa? He's super Catholic and may carry on Bendict's papacy.
Cardinal 1: Nah, he may try to bring back the inquisition.
Cardinal 3: Who's in Latin America?
Cardinal 2: This guy in Argentina looks decent. And he's supported authoritarian politics in the past so he'd totally be okay with business as usual.
Cardinal 1: And he's white! Bring the guy in!
 
2013-05-16 01:38:17 PM  

Carn: God's money? Is that like monopoly money?


maybe more like monopsony?
 
2013-05-16 01:38:46 PM  

NightOwl2255: No, he didn't get rid of it. You think he sold it and gave the money to the dioceses that are filling for bankruptcy protection so they don't have to pay the kids that were molested?


Alright, alright, he's not using it.  Better? You know what I meant, you just want to biatch.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:28 PM  
Good one subby.  I saw that farker, with his big hat and robes in da club with fiddy and dr dre.    He had a fist full of benjamins and he was makin' it rain all over da hos in the champagne room.   Crystal was flowin and he was all talkin about his new crib and all the hotties he was gonna be bangin' in the papal hot tub.  
"I'll show you DaVinci's code, baby"  to anyone who would listen.
Bastard.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:31 PM  

xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?


No, he still is living like an average guy. Subby is just an uneducated moron troll atheist, like any other.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:37 PM  

The Flexecutioner: it's like parents telling you not to smoke when you can smell the cig breath from them a mile away.

it's true ... don't smoke, but tough titty, im doing it.


Your pops caught you smoking and he says no way.

That hypocrite smokes three packs a day.
 
2013-05-16 01:42:38 PM  

phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.


Depends on their order.
 
2013-05-16 01:42:46 PM  

degenerate-afro: PsyLord: I hope he didn't piss off too many people.  Better go check on the armor plating of his pope-mobile.

The current Pope doesn't use the pope mobile.

It appears that many of the people here blame the current Pope for the past Pope's failures

/not religious


Well, to be fair, he's still just as ass-backward about almost everything as his predecessors have been.  Women, gays, etc.  But on this one issue, he does seem to be admirably legit.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:10 PM  

MysticKakarrott: I'm having a real hard time getting angry about this sentiment.  Methinks he was talking to the Catholic leadership as much as he was talking to the leaders of the global financial system.


Moreso actually. He's a reformer pope, and he is here to fix the Church from the bad path it has taken over the last number of years.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:24 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


Depends what order of priest. Some do, some don't.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:43 PM  

MrSteve007: johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......

Yep, the overall Catholic church has no vow of poverty - however the sect that Pope Francis is a Jesuit, which does vow poverty and service.


yes exactly, great point...diocesan versus religious
 
2013-05-16 01:44:16 PM  

xanadian: mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
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And this is his personal office:
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He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...

He still seems pretty anti-gay and anti-women's rights (from what I've seen), but hey, you can't build Rome in a day.

... Or something like that.


For the anti-gay and anti-women's rights, that comes from picking a leader from a subset made up of celibate men in their 60s,70s, and 80s. It's still a farked up system, but one can at least explain where the mindset is coming from. I expect the church to change as the people who grow up not caring about gay vs straight join the priesthood and move up (slowly, because a progressive bishop will be stymied by intransigent Italians). If the church was smart, they'd jump on the gay bandwagon NOW and try to embrace them. Putting in some vague rule about how priest marriage is still not cool, but men of the Lord are permitted to have companions in a purely platonic sense ("Keep it to yourself either way") would improve their recruitment numbers as well.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:31 PM  
Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:35 PM  
they're still all babby butt farkers.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:07 PM  

MrSteve007: Here's the BBC article about his living quarters: "Pope Francis shuns grand apartment for two rooms"


You can't expect liberals to know how to read. Anything that doesn't fit their personal bigotry is simply rejected as impossible.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:36 PM  

Bullseyed: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

No, he still is living like an average guy. Subby is just an uneducated moron troll atheist, like any other.


I like the bit where he called up his formerly local newspaper back in South America to cancel his subscription. The person on the other end of the phone couldn't believe it was Franky.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:52 PM  

xanadian: mjones73: MrSteve007: xanadian: Isn't Pope Francis still living in that apartment or whatever the hell it's called?  Or did he finally move into the papal digs?

Pope Francis is staying in the communal residence, with the rest of the staff. This is his apartment:
[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 600x401]

And this is his personal office:
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

I'd have to agree with you, he's been going against the grain on a lot of things since being elected and I love it cause he's pissing off traditionalist Catholics in the church...

He still seems pretty anti-gay and anti-women's rights (from what I've seen), but hey, you can't build Rome in a day.

... Or something like that.


Yeah I'd have to agree, he did try to compromise on gay marriage in Argentinia by suggesting civil unions instead but got voted down by the other cardinals in the country, I will give him that. But yeah like you said, can't build Rome in a day...
 
2013-05-16 01:45:52 PM  
some people are really generous with other peoples money, maybe he is setting himself up to be a politician
 
2013-05-16 01:45:55 PM  
It's been said before, but priests don't have a vow of poverty, neither does the Pope.  Religious orders tend to, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.  A vow of poverty is a vow to not 'own' anything significant, but rather to live at the charity of others through the community you are a part of.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own his car, he uses a car owned by the Jesuits.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own property, he lives on property owned by the Jesuits.  etc. etc.  Even clothes and stuff tend to be provided by the order, rather than something you save for and own.  Same with retirement etc.

Second, for those of you who can't get over the shoes thing, seriously, if you can't behave like an adult in conversation, perhaps you shouldn't take part in it.  The ONLY friggen difference between the shoes Benedict wore, and the shoes Francis wears  is the color.  Red dyed leather is no more expensive than brown dyed leather, and they all come from a cobbler at the Vatican whose job is to make shoes for people at the Vatican.  You could argue it fits in the whole eliminating a culture of money thing because it is supporting a local trades person practicing the family art, and eliminating any branding or corporate culture associated with the clothing.
 
2013-05-16 01:48:34 PM  

johnny_vegas: phenn: Subby earns a slow clap for ridiculousness of the church. I was raised Catholic (much against my will) and was always told the clergy must take a vow of poverty. I've never seen any evidence to suggest they actually honor it.

With my sincere apologies to practicing Catholics, I despise the church and their hypocrisy.

priests don't take vows of poverty...that is probably why you didn't see it.

/now chastity.......


comicbookrealm.com

Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.
 
2013-05-16 01:49:34 PM  
MrSteve007:

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.


TFA says the Pope "has made clear the poor are his priority." Okay, so he's going to make sure every rich Catholic person, institution and organization follow Jesus' advice?

Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


 
2013-05-16 01:51:04 PM  
Maybe you should try doing some basic research into your subject before you start shooting your mouth off about him, mmkay?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
 
2013-05-16 01:52:13 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Never met a Chastity that wasn't a freak.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-16 01:53:48 PM  

The One True TheDavid: MrSteve007:

He'll still use the grandiose Papal residence for meeting dignitaries, but he said he'd much rather live with the people he serves, eat in the cafeteria and be able to cook for himself in the kitchen.

/looks like he *is* practicing what he preaches.

TFA says the Pope "has made clear the poor are his priority." Okay, so he's going to make sure every rich Catholic person, institution and organization follow Jesus' advice?

Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


Oh! I love taking things out of context!

Read the many passages before that and it's about getting someone to give up what they have inthat they could hold in higher regard to God. Or something like that. It's been a decade or so.

But randomly quoting shiat you don't understand, study and use out of context is FUN! And easy too!

Do you do the Qu'ran too?
 
2013-05-16 01:54:28 PM  

hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?


Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.
 
2013-05-16 01:54:40 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, "You're missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me." - Mark 10:21 [International Standard Version (c) 2012]


What's not said, but understood, is that after you come back to follow him, you get to keep everything you collect in his name.
 
2013-05-16 01:54:52 PM  

olddeegee: Does he have a tiny giraffe? Opulence, does he has it?


When a little boy bends over, HE JUMPS IN IT
 
2013-05-16 01:55:42 PM  
The One True TheDavid

The point of that passage isn't that money is inherently evil, and that all followers must do what he instructed that one guy to do.  The point is that following all the rules (which if you actually posted the whole story you'd be able to see) isn't enough.  The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.  Christ does point out that money is a tough one to let go of, but doesn't say you have to be poor.

There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service (ex. Joseph of Aramathea (sp?), a wealthy follower who provided the tomb), or wealth being used to honor God being okay (the poor woman spending 300 days wages on expensive oil to anoint Christ's feet).
 
2013-05-16 01:57:45 PM  

Gonz: He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime


He's only got what's left of one lifetime, he's already 76.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:16 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Some people around here are going to hate on him no matter what he says or does. Kind of like a reverse tea party/obama thing.


Look at it this way:

EA is in the process of finding a new CEO. Are you going to run right out and buy SimCity as soon as he takes office, or are you going to wait a bit to see if he or she can correct the problems? Surely you won't blame him or her for the issues there that you see right now, but instead you'll give it time until you see something that is definitely their responsibility.

I'm an atheist, but I understand how much this guy influences the actions and attitudes of people around the globe. I hope he's either progressive and stops denouncing gay people and condoms, or else he is as bad as the last guy and says things so stupid that people leave the church and discover a new morality for themselves that is actually beneficial to their fellow man.

Same with EA - I hope that either they straighten things out and release good games again, or their business practices are so bad that the company fails and their licenses get sold to other companies that will do things better.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:52 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Snark aside, I really like Francis version 1.0. As a non-Christian, I can respect that the guy walks the walk as best he can. I don't blame the current pope for having all the gold stuff, land, and art from the Renaissance as long as he is promoting it for public use (like museums and digitizing archives - both of which are currently happening). The fact that the church is treating the stuff as an insight into history rather than as a necessity for day to day operations speaks volumes. Personally, I hope the current Pontiff puts in 30-40 years on the throne because the church NEEDS it.


"Sins of the father" as it were. It's going to take many years to change opinions, and the Catholic Church must be committed to it beyond Francis. They need to make the hard choices to move into the 21st century and trim the fat or they may find themselves hardly relevant in the modern world.
 
2013-05-16 02:00:10 PM  

Isitoveryet: Carn: God's money? Is that like monopoly money?

maybe more like monopsony?


haha nice
 
2013-05-16 02:01:02 PM  
Lighten up, Francis
 
2013-05-16 02:02:00 PM  
This Pope is definitely a master of the symbolic gesture. No doubt about it. Let me know when anything remotely resembling a structural change in the Catholic Church occurs.
 
2013-05-16 02:03:09 PM  

alchemiholic: Subby may be thinking of the last Pope.


This is the last Pope.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:04 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.


Came here to say this. There's no love lost between me and organized religions period, but within the context of what a "good Catholic" ought to be according to their own doctrine, this guy seems like the genuine article. Too bad for them that he was too humble to accept the papacy the first time round.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:05 PM  
I will believe that he's not an evil hypocrite when he auctions off his gold-plated nation-state that was built from the proceeds of centuries of fleecing and oppressing the poor, and uses the proceeds to help the poor.

Building more churches to "help" by improving revenues does not count.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:05 PM  

Cagey B: This Pope is definitely a master of the symbolic gesture. No doubt about it. Let me know when anything remotely resembling a structural change in the Catholic Church occurs.


Oh yeah. He definitely seems to not be following up on what he's been pr-OH WAIT! He's been dishing out money, shunning the traditional crap so far and calling out the church.

Yeah he's definitely not trying to change anything.

As with physical structural changes, you don't just knock down the wall and start building in whatever order.

Damn normal people and their inability to grasp the larger scale.
 
2013-05-16 02:05:14 PM  
Lapsed Catholic here...I admire his attitude toward some hot button issues so far. I was a little disappointed with his thoughts about homosexuality and gay marriage. But I also understand that this is a very old institution. A new pope isn't going to change things overnight. I think he's really trying to fix things and set a good example toward people in general, recognizing that people have different beliefs. Hopefully this pope is the first of 2-3 popes down the road who will continue the changes.
 
2013-05-16 02:06:23 PM  

Gonz: hobberwickey: Seriously, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm quickly becoming a huge Pope Francis fan. If he doesn't get himself killed I think he might to a whole lot of good in the world.

/How did he become pope?

Yeah, I'm another non-Catholic who's on the Frankie bandwagon. Part of me wonders if the College of Cardinals collectively woke up a day or two after the conclave and said "Holy shiat! We just elected a Jesuit who's apparently serious about being a Jesuit! Can... can we have a do-over?"

The guy's not going to fix everything that's wrong with the church. He's only one man, and he's only got one lifetime. But he has the potential to do a world of good.


It was great when it all began. I was a regular Frankie fan.
 
2013-05-16 02:07:34 PM  

foxy_canuck: It's been said before, but priests don't have a vow of poverty, neither does the Pope.  Religious orders tend to, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.  A vow of poverty is a vow to not 'own' anything significant, but rather to live at the charity of others through the community you are a part of.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own his car, he uses a car owned by the Jesuits.  A Jesuit with a vow of poverty doesn't own property, he lives on property owned by the Jesuits.  etc. etc.  Even clothes and stuff tend to be provided by the order, rather than something you save for and own.  Same with retirement etc.

Second, for those of you who can't get over the shoes thing, seriously, if you can't behave like an adult in conversation, perhaps you shouldn't take part in it.  The ONLY friggen difference between the shoes Benedict wore, and the shoes Francis wears  is the color.  Red dyed leather is no more expensive than brown dyed leather, and they all come from a cobbler at the Vatican whose job is to make shoes for people at the Vatican.  You could argue it fits in the whole eliminating a culture of money thing because it is supporting a local trades person practicing the family art, and eliminating any branding or corporate culture associated with the clothing.


Seems to me the pope is doing just that. I don't think he owns much of anything. Everything he has is basically on loan from the vatican. Hes even turned down a lot of the fancier stuff. If he got excommunicated from the church tomorrow he would basically be a homeless person.
 
2013-05-16 02:08:12 PM  

Speef: I will believe that he's not an evil hypocrite when he auctions off his gold-plated nation-state that was built from the proceeds of centuries of fleecing and oppressing the poor, and uses the proceeds to help the poor.

Building more churches to "help" by improving revenues does not count.


Oh good! More ignorance to blast:

He can't just give away the historic relics and the like. Even IF they were his to sell off, I don't know who would buy it, it'd be better in a museum most of it I'd imagine.

But hey, you can completely ignore the fact he gives away his money pretty damn freely, and doesn't do the indulgence bit as far as can be seen.
 
2013-05-16 02:10:03 PM  

foxy_canuck: The point is that being a follower of Christ means following God's call for you and not being so attached to anything that you can't sacrifice it in service of God.


foxy_canuck: There are other instances of the wealthy being faithful followers and using their wealth in service


And by service to god they mean giving your wealth to the church, and recruiting more people who will give their wealth to the church.

My hatred for the church stems not from a hatred of religion like many of you might assume, but because of how it takes advantage of those who believe in god. Twisting the concept to serve their own needs.
 
2013-05-16 02:10:37 PM  
douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?
 
2013-05-16 02:11:00 PM  
Well I know who's going in my celebrity death-pool!
 
2013-05-16 02:11:26 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh bullshiate subby.

The Catholic Church isn't out buying art work and gold plated Mercedes and hasn't for ages. Stop blaming the Pope for things he had nothing to do with.

At least he is actively practicing what he preaches by continuing to live in a small apartment instead of the Vatican apartments reserved for the whoever is the Pope.

And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.


I'm not going to say that there isn't a strong anti-religious streak on Fark; for a lot of atheists, this is one of the few places they can vent, as often they are surrounded by family or coworkers or bosses that they just can't talk about stuff like that in front of because so many people take it so personally.

You have to admit that a powerful leader such as the pope telling the people of Africa that condoms cause AIDS does real and true harm to people. Then we have the child sex scandals.

It's enough that people begin to question the "net good" that the Catholic church does in feeding the hungry, etc, as most Atheists do not believe that "saving souls" is a tick in the positive.,
 
2013-05-16 02:11:39 PM  

moondo: Sort of reminds me of liberal politicians and hollywood stars.


Like Clint Eastwood and Ronald  Reagan?
 
2013-05-16 02:12:41 PM  

local vagrant: douchebag/hater:And no I'm not a Catholic - just a practicing agnostic who is sick of Farkers' religious bigotry.

How the heck are you a practicing agnostic?  What do you practice?  Shrugging?


smugness?
 
2013-05-16 02:14:20 PM  

netweavr: Well I know who's going in my celebrity death-pool!


I've got 50 down with a guy at work that Franky has an 'accident' or 'sudden case of the dying' before the year is out.

I hope he donates to the poor what was supposed to be Vatican bonuses again. That'll almost synch it.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:17 PM  
You didn't earn your money, God let you earn it. Now hand it over.
 
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