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2013-05-16 11:46:58 AM
Link isn't working for me.
 
2013-05-16 11:53:34 AM
 
2013-05-16 11:54:55 AM
I guess a working website ain't one of them.
 
2013-05-16 12:29:23 PM

TheHighlandHowler: me neither, but don't waste your time.

http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/101238/10-Star-Trek-Technologies -T hat-are-Almost-Here#slide12


Don't waste your time with that, either.  Deslidefied
 
2013-05-16 12:31:23 PM
Also, don't forget transparent aluminum which is actually already here.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:16 PM
That was incredibly dumb.
 
2013-05-16 01:49:56 PM
Well that was farking stupid. Maybe 3 of those things are anywhere close to being practical or even possible.
 
2013-05-16 01:53:13 PM
When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.
 
2013-05-16 01:57:11 PM
Is Fark getting paid to post a bunch of Star Trek links?
 
2013-05-16 02:00:34 PM

timujin: Also, don't forget transparent aluminum which is actually already here.


Hadn't seen that. Cool.
 
2013-05-16 02:09:41 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-16 02:11:00 PM
Star Trek triple play in the Geek tab, complete.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:34 PM
Unlike any of the items in the slideshow, the CommBadge is only a couple months from shipping.
 
2013-05-16 02:20:22 PM
I assume "she's gonna blow" refers to the article, or the fact that it's a slideshow.
 
2013-05-16 02:20:50 PM
I always liked that bulky Space:1999 commlock...  Not much different than a cell phone with video conf capability..
 
2013-05-16 02:21:22 PM
Having your atoms scrambled in one location and reassembled elsewhere

would be nice, but that's not how transporters work.
 
2013-05-16 02:23:57 PM
11.) Control panels whose normal failure mode is spray sparks everywhere but otherwise continue functioning.
12.) Computers which explode when presented with a paradox.
 
2013-05-16 02:31:12 PM
I got to the part where he said Google Glass is like LaForge's VISOR and stopped. Grade-A stupid right there.
 
2013-05-16 02:35:15 PM
I can't believe they didn't mention IPads. Frikin' IPad is a direct ripoff of the PADD devices they use in StarFleet.

Yet another reason I HATE Abrams Trek. They don't even TRY to extrapolate any technology. Just a goddam, empty headed shoot 'em up movie....
 
2013-05-16 02:37:11 PM

DamnYankees: Link isn't working for me.


That's Ok. Warp drives, Holodecks, transporters and sentient androids are not almost here anyway.

/where the hell are my green slave girls damnit?
 
2013-05-16 02:40:30 PM
Once easily washable holodecks become available innovation will come to a stand still
 
2013-05-16 02:48:06 PM

PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.


Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.
 
2013-05-16 02:48:29 PM

mark12A: I can't believe they didn't mention IPads. Frikin' IPad is a direct ripoff of the PADD devices they use in StarFleet.

Yet another reason I HATE Abrams Trek. They don't even TRY to extrapolate any technology. Just a goddam, empty headed shoot 'em up movie....


Yup, Gene made sure to get cutting edge science advisors to work for him coming up with the gadgets.  Hell, most people don't realize that at the time Worf or Picard would tell the computer to play them some Klingon Opera or flute music, the idea of storing music on computers that you could call up at will was science fiction.  The first commercial electronic music player was from Audible.com in '97, TNG had characters calling up whatever they wanted back in 1987.

Hell, TOS had floppy disks back in the 60's when they wouldn't become actual computer storage devices until the 90's (talking about 3.5's here).
 
2013-05-16 02:52:36 PM

ShawnDoc: That was incredibly dumb.


Is that sarcasm or are you really saying that?  If you are serious, I'm curious as to what you are referring as dumb, specifically.

There were some seriously common items on the web page, plus, having a slideshow with an ad in the middle was annoying so I can definitely see what you mean there, but if you mean the science, could you explain more as to why it's dumb?

Thanks.
 
2013-05-16 02:52:49 PM

fluffy2097: DamnYankees: Link isn't working for me.

That's Ok. Warp drives, Holodecks, transporters and sentient androids are not almost here anyway.

/where the hell are my green slave girls damnit?


I know! Forget flying cars, where are the green Yvonne Craig's?
 
2013-05-16 02:56:12 PM

metallion: I always liked that bulky Space:1999 commlock...  Not much different than a cell phone with video conf capability..


I used to make a pretend one of those with LEGO blocks when I was a kid.

/ Still in love with Helena...
 
2013-05-16 02:58:01 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.


Well, there is a *theoretical* warp drive that the math works out for. The problems are

A) It requires an exotic form of matter that we're *NOT SURE EXISTS YET*.

B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)

C) It kind of kills everything in front of it when you stop it (massive gamma ray burst). So you'd have to (if you could ever actually build and fuel one) sort of.. point it *parallel* to your intended destination, stop a ways out, then putter in at sublight speeds.
 
2013-05-16 02:58:09 PM

MFAWG: I know! Forget flying cars, where are the green Yvonne Craig's?


Hell, I'll settle for a beautiful young yeoman even.

/TOS uniforms were the best uniforms
//Those skirts...
 
2013-05-16 02:58:13 PM
How close are we to black women telephone operators?
 
2013-05-16 03:00:46 PM

Felgraf: B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)


You should be clear.  "mass-energy" means "if I was to take all the energy in the amount of matter used in the voyager probe, and were to extract ALL of it. Not some, not most, not 99.999% ALL of it, into pure energy."

The mass-energy of the voyager probe would have an explosive power much greater then a thermonuclear bomb if released at once.
 
2013-05-16 03:01:34 PM
24.media.tumblr.com


/ I'll be in my holo-bunk
 
2013-05-16 03:03:31 PM

MFAWG: fluffy2097: DamnYankees: Link isn't working for me.

That's Ok. Warp drives, Holodecks, transporters and sentient androids are not almost here anyway.

/where the hell are my green slave girls damnit?

I know! Forget flying cars, where are the green Yvonne Craig's?


Y'all can have the green chicks (even a green Batgirl). I'll take Alice Eve in her regulation Star Fleet undies.

Based on that scene though (and the one with Rachel Nichols in the first one {I totally changed my mind about the green chicks!}), it looks as if bra technology doesn't get any better in the next couple of hundred years.
 
2013-05-16 03:05:07 PM
1. Take scientific discovery that kinda sounds sorta like something in star trek

2. Extrapolate wildly about how it might be used in the future

3. Ta-daa! Shiatty slideshow
 
2013-05-16 03:07:30 PM

fluffy2097: Felgraf: B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)

You should be clear.  "mass-energy" means "if I was to take all the energy in the amount of matter used in the voyager probe, and were to extract ALL of it. Not some, not most, not 99.999% ALL of it, into pure energy."

The mass-energy of the voyager probe would have an explosive power much greater then a thermonuclear bomb if released at once.


That was what I meant.  As in, last I checked, the energy requirement to power/utilize an alcubierre drive is,in theory, MVoyagerc2 U.

Which is still better than the initial calculations of mJUPITERc2
Plus the whole "Requires exotic matter we are not sure currently exists."
 
2013-05-16 03:07:37 PM

roughridersfan: metallion: I always liked that bulky Space:1999 commlock...  Not much different than a cell phone with video conf capability..

I used to make a pretend one of those with LEGO blocks when I was a kid.

/ Still in love with Helena...


Me too... Both counts.   Especially Season 2 Helena...  and Maya...  ahhhhh....

Had blue legos, and the clear ones for the screen...  Couldn't build a beltloop for it worth a fark... :)
 
2013-05-16 03:08:17 PM

fluffy2097: DamnYankees: Link isn't working for me.

That's Ok. Warp drives, Holodecks, transporters and sentient androids are not almost here anyway.

/where the hell are my green slave girls damnit?


Holodecks: You might want to check out some stuff my friend Adrian has been up to. I met him back in 2005-2007. I can link to his twitter. Watch some of the video links he has on there. Pretty neat shiat. Adrian Bulzacki
 
2013-05-16 03:08:47 PM
No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.
 
2013-05-16 03:11:08 PM

Celerian: fluffy2097: DamnYankees: Link isn't working for me.

That's Ok. Warp drives, Holodecks, transporters and sentient androids are not almost here anyway.

/where the hell are my green slave girls damnit?

Holodecks: You might want to check out some stuff my friend Adrian has been up to. I met him back in 2005-2007. I can link to his twitter. Watch some of the video links he has on there. Pretty neat shiat. Adrian Bulzacki


Also: Adrian at TED speaking about "Monotizing the Holodeck"
 
2013-05-16 03:12:53 PM
Getting a kick since the fiancé and I just watched Encounter at Farpoint last night. Had a cool moment when I looked at what Doctor Crusher was holding, and then realized I was watching the show on the same damn thing (iPad).

It's like watching West Wing also. You watch the show and go, "Wow, humans will never change" while simultaneously going, "Yup, we settled that one already."
 
2013-05-16 03:13:05 PM

WhoGAS: Is that sarcasm or are you really saying that? If you are serious, I'm curious as to what you are referring as dumb, specifically.


Nothing on that list is "almost here".  For the most part they're comparing Star Trek technologies to things that only superficially resemble them.  Yes, projecting a video on a human shaped piece of glass means that full range 3D holograms that can manipulate matter like in Star Trek are just around the corner!  Using Quantum Entanglement to transmit a tiny amount of data across 3' of open space means teleporting a human being miles away and through through obstructions is just around the corner.

Stupid.
 
2013-05-16 03:14:30 PM
Ah damnit I have an extraneous U in the first equation. That's a typo, please ignore.
 
2013-05-16 03:14:38 PM
Let's not forget the ion-drive space craft. From Spock's Brain to reality.
 
2013-05-16 03:15:47 PM

Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.


There was a story in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in either '79 or early '80, about teleport technology.  Can't remember the name.

It opens with the inventer of the technology watching people getting in and out of the transports.  She meets a young boy who has teleported everywhere, and she has a couple of flashbacks.

One is creating the technology, and two, is how to solve the fact that it's not truly teleport tech as much as it is copy tech.  When you teleport, your dna/body stats are read, and then you are electrocuted with enough voltage to turn you to ash, and the data is transmitted to the destination, where you are rebuilt.

She is afraid that if she teleports, she'll lose her soul.

It ends up with the kid picking her up, and tossing her into the teleporter, and when she rematerilizes, she realizes that it isn't that bad.

It's been a long time since I read that, but it was a fun read.
 
2013-05-16 03:17:34 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.


Yeah, I hate to be anywhere close when he accidentally the whole thing and nukes the world since according to the latest ideas, when the warp bubble collapses, it obliterates all matter in front of it.
 
2013-05-16 03:18:10 PM
Warp Drive, teleporters, are not only not almost here, they violate the laws of physics as we know them. Just because something might be possible maybe with an almost infinite amount of energy or some kind of new physics that has not been discovered does not mean that it is "almost here".
 
2013-05-16 03:20:07 PM

ShawnDoc: WhoGAS: Is that sarcasm or are you really saying that? If you are serious, I'm curious as to what you are referring as dumb, specifically.

Nothing on that list is "almost here".  For the most part they're comparing Star Trek technologies to things that only superficially resemble them.  Yes, projecting a video on a human shaped piece of glass means that full range 3D holograms that can manipulate matter like in Star Trek are just around the corner!  Using Quantum Entanglement to transmit a tiny amount of data across 3' of open space means teleporting a human being miles away and through through obstructions is just around the corner.

Stupid.


Ahhh.  Okay.  I see you take offense at the assumption of "almost here" meaning "few years/within our lifetime".

I didn't take it that way myself.  I assumed "almost here" on a more geological time scale where 150 years is pretty much no time at all.

I can see your point.
 
2013-05-16 03:25:51 PM
Every time I walk up to an automatic door without slowing down and it opens for me, I think of those scenes of Kirk walking around the Enterprise.
 
2013-05-16 03:35:44 PM
I just wish automatic doors would make that cool sound.. :)
 
2013-05-16 03:41:47 PM

WhoGAS: I didn't take it that way myself. I assumed "almost here" on a more geological time scale where 150 years is pretty much no time at all.


What do you do for a living, that when someone says something is "almost here", you think of a amount of time greater than your lifespan?
 
2013-05-16 03:47:10 PM

Edymnion: mark12A: I can't believe they didn't mention IPads. Frikin' IPad is a direct ripoff of the PADD devices they use in StarFleet.

Yet another reason I HATE Abrams Trek. They don't even TRY to extrapolate any technology. Just a goddam, empty headed shoot 'em up movie....

Yup, Gene made sure to get cutting edge science advisors to work for him coming up with the gadgets.  Hell, most people don't realize that at the time Worf or Picard would tell the computer to play them some Klingon Opera or flute music, the idea of storing music on computers that you could call up at will was science fiction.  The first commercial electronic music player was from Audible.com in '97, TNG had characters calling up whatever they wanted back in 1987.

Hell, TOS had floppy disks back in the 60's when they wouldn't become actual computer storage devices until the 90's (talking about 3.5's here).


Gene also made Star Trek incredibly boring.  Which is why he was removed from any meaningful role after the first movie.
 
2013-05-16 03:47:35 PM

ShawnDoc: WhoGAS: I didn't take it that way myself. I assumed "almost here" on a more geological time scale where 150 years is pretty much no time at all.

What do you do for a living, that when someone says something is "almost here", you think of a amount of time greater than your lifespan?


Your mom's orgasm?
 
2013-05-16 03:49:31 PM

Felgraf: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.

Well, there is a *theoretical* warp drive that the math works out for. The problems are

A) It requires an exotic form of matter that we're *NOT SURE EXISTS YET*.

B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)

C) It kind of kills everything in front of it when you stop it (massive gamma ray burst). So you'd have to (if you could ever actually build and fuel one) sort of.. point it *parallel* to your intended destination, stop a ways out, then putter in at sublight speeds.


I wonder about the gamma ray bursts. Should we be looking for these things somehow?  Maybe other intelligent civilizations have invented this form of warp drive?
 
2013-05-16 03:57:30 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Having your atoms scrambled in one location and reassembled elsewhere

would be nice, but that's not how transporters work.


Yeah, that's how WonkaVision works.
 
2013-05-16 03:57:39 PM

ShawnDoc: WhoGAS: I didn't take it that way myself. I assumed "almost here" on a more geological time scale where 150 years is pretty much no time at all.

What do you do for a living, that when someone says something is "almost here", you think of a amount of time greater than your lifespan?


I don't really see how that has anything to do with anything, where I work I mean.  Nor would the relative definition of "almost there" apply the same way it does with technological advances.

The article was about advances in science. As a person who reads a little bit, I know that throughout the history of science, we did not suddenly go "Look, a WHEEL!" and the next day the guy creates a Ferrari.  These things always take time.

I apply the phrase as it's appropriate based on the subject not relative to me.

Now if they had said, "Will be here in 32 years, 5 hours", then, when that time came to pass and they didn't deliver, yes, that would have been stupid of them to have done that.
 
2013-05-16 03:59:38 PM

metallion: Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.

There was a story in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in either '79 or early '80, about teleport technology.  Can't remember the name.

It opens with the inventer of the technology watching people getting in and out of the transports.  She meets a young boy who has teleported everywhere, and she has a couple of flashbacks.

One is creating the technology, and two, is how to solve the fact that it's not truly teleport tech as much as it is copy tech.  When you teleport, your dna/body stats are read, and then you are electrocuted with enough voltage to turn you to ash, and the data is transmitted to the destination, where you are rebuilt.

She is afraid that if she teleports, she'll lose her soul.

It ends up with the kid picking her up, and tossing her into the teleporter, and when she rematerilizes, she realizes that it isn't that bad.

It's been a long time since I read that, but it was a fun read.


Good think she slept through it, because it's longer than you think inside the teleport chamber.
 
2013-05-16 04:10:46 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Having your atoms scrambled in one location and reassembled elsewhere

would be nice, but that's not how transporters work.


Transporters are a bad idea anyway, since the person who steps into one is killed.
 
2013-05-16 04:19:45 PM

bsharitt: Is Fark getting paid to post a bunch of Star Trek links?


I suspect it's subtle or not so subtle advertising
 
2013-05-16 04:33:37 PM

metallion: Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.

There was a story in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in either '79 or early '80, about teleport technology.  Can't remember the name.

It opens with the inventer of the technology watching people getting in and out of the transports.  She meets a young boy who has teleported everywhere, and she has a couple of flashbacks.

One is creating the technology, and two, is how to solve the fact that it's not truly teleport tech as much as it is copy tech.  When you teleport, your dna/body stats are read, and then you are electrocuted with enough voltage to turn you to ash, and the data is transmitted to the destination, where you are rebuilt.

She is afraid that if she teleports, she'll lose her soul.

It ends up with the kid picking her up, and tossing her into the teleporter, and when she rematerilizes, she realizes that it isn't that bad.

It's been a long time since I read that, but it was a fun read.


The thing is, that if it copies you, then that copy just thinks everything is fine because it remembers being you. The original you, however, probably experiences your life ending as soon as the teleport happens. There's just no way to tell what happens to that sense of self.
 
2013-05-16 04:35:30 PM
I'm not boinking a hologram right now so shut up.
 
2013-05-16 04:40:02 PM

Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here."


Exactly. I friend of mine and I used to do a calculation, every so often. It's a reasonable assumption that, to teleport a human (in the way described by Star Trek), you'd need a computer to control the process. Being (very) generous, we'd assume one computer cycle to teleport each elementary particle in a human body. The last time I did the math (in about 2005), there hadn't been enough computer cycles in all of computing history to teleport a single person.

No, I'm thinking teleportation will be more like Stargate, if we can ever figure out how to create and control wormholes.
 
2013-05-16 04:50:07 PM
Yeah list kinda sucked. One thing we do sorta have is force fields. They're used as a vacuum-atmosphere barrier for ebeam welding. See plasma window.
 
2013-05-16 05:16:46 PM

IC Stars: ArcadianRefugee: Having your atoms scrambled in one location and reassembled elsewhere

would be nice, but that's not how transporters work.

Transporters are a bad idea anyway, since the person who steps into one is killed.


Kinda my point. Anyone who realizes this would probably never use one, especially if they believe in the concept of souls.
 
2013-05-16 05:47:00 PM
I hope there are a lot of lightsaber battles in the new one.
 
2013-05-16 05:54:23 PM

Dadoo: we'd assume one computer cycle to teleport each elementary particle in a human body


Not an expert on trekology, but aren't reproducing the particles/atoms/molecules the easiest part? Every molecule of H20 or whatever is the same as any other molecule of H20. You don't need to transport the physical stuff - just swap in the same chemical objects... Ans it'd seem you'd only need to get the position of every particle/atom/molecule correct to something like a tenth or a hundredth of an Angstrom (?)

What's always puzzled me about transporter tech is how to reproduce all the currents on the other side. I.e. the electrical impulses driving your heart, working in your brain to keep memories active, etc...
 
2013-05-16 05:59:37 PM

wjllope: Dadoo: we'd assume one computer cycle to teleport each elementary particle in a human body

Not an expert on trekology, but aren't reproducing the particles/atoms/molecules the easiest part? Every molecule of H20 or whatever is the same as any other molecule of H20. You don't need to transport the physical stuff - just swap in the same chemical objects... Ans it'd seem you'd only need to get the position of every particle/atom/molecule correct to something like a tenth or a hundredth of an Angstrom (?)

What's always puzzled me about transporter tech is how to reproduce all the currents on the other side. I.e. the electrical impulses driving your heart, working in your brain to keep memories active, etc...



Feh, for me, I want to know how at many different times across the years they have shown characters interacting and talking *during* transport.  With audible undistorted voices, etc...
 
2013-05-16 06:15:19 PM

BafflerMeal: Feh, for me, I want to know how at many different times across the years they have shown characters interacting and talking *during* transport.  With audible undistorted voices, etc...


I guess I don't watch enough trek - I've never seen that. But couldn't that simply be "emulated communication" between the digitized versions of the transportees that is occurring in the transporter hardware itself during the transportation process?
If I can buy the fact that this process is occurring in the first place, I can certainly buy that possibility.

I also completely buy the fact that every atom/molecule in a body can be identified (spectroscopically
or whatever) and digitized in location to whatever precision is necessary.
But my point earlier was that this would only allow one to produce a copy of the transportee at the remote location which is chemically perfectly arranged in every ~nanometer-sized voxel, but is also as dead as a doornail.

cheers
 
2013-05-16 06:44:47 PM
"'Star Trek' tech No. 1: Warp drives "

That's "almost" here? Stopped reading there, this nut case needs his meds checked.
 
2013-05-16 06:55:24 PM

BafflerMeal: Feh, for me, I want to know how at many different times across the years they have shown characters interacting and talking *during* transport. With audible undistorted voices, etc...


Very infrequently. Not at all in TOS, because the special effects required for beaming wouldn't allow for it.

They always seem to be stationary in transit in TNG too, as far as i can remember.

I think I remember seeing a trek movie that had a transporter failure that involved someone screaming, but I have no clear memory.
 
2013-05-16 06:57:58 PM

fluffy2097: BafflerMeal: Feh, for me, I want to know how at many different times across the years they have shown characters interacting and talking *during* transport. With audible undistorted voices, etc...

Very infrequently. Not at all in TOS, because the special effects required for beaming wouldn't allow for it.

They always seem to be stationary in transit in TNG too, as far as i can remember.

I think I remember seeing a trek movie that had a transporter failure that involved someone screaming, but I have no clear memory.



Off the top of my head, in wrath of Khan Kirk is having a conversation with Savik when beaming up out of the genesis cave. And in TNG, I believe it's a Barclay episode where he can see aliens who live in the transporter beam and no one believes him.
 
2013-05-16 07:02:37 PM

BafflerMeal: fluffy2097: BafflerMeal: Feh, for me, I want to know how at many different times across the years they have shown characters interacting and talking *during* transport. With audible undistorted voices, etc...

Very infrequently. Not at all in TOS, because the special effects required for beaming wouldn't allow for it.

They always seem to be stationary in transit in TNG too, as far as i can remember.

I think I remember seeing a trek movie that had a transporter failure that involved someone screaming, but I have no clear memory.


Off the top of my head, in wrath of Khan Kirk is having a conversation with Savik when beaming up out of the genesis cave. And in TNG, I believe it's a Barclay episode where he can see aliens who live in the transporter beam and no one believes him.



Yep, on netflix.  Wrath of Khan Around 1:17.  They are all having a conversation during transport.

---

TNG episode: Real of Fear for Barclay:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_Fear
 
2013-05-16 07:11:04 PM

BafflerMeal: I think I remember seeing a trek movie that had a transporter failure that involved someone screaming, but I have no clear memory.


TMP - its why Spock ended up  on board Enterprise.
 
2013-05-16 08:12:30 PM

BafflerMeal: , I believe it's a Barclay episode where he can see aliens who live in the transporter beam and no one believes him.


shiat, you're right. That's an exception. Was HE able to move in that episode? or just the creatures?

He was always a weird character. It's like they had 2 different plot lines for him, and just ran them one after another, even though it means he goes through his "awkward social outlier" phase on the ship twice for no apparent reason.
 
2013-05-16 08:14:32 PM

Felgraf: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.

Well, there is a *theoretical* warp drive that the math works out for. The problems are

A) It requires an exotic form of matter that we're *NOT SURE EXISTS YET*.

B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)

C) It kind of kills everything in front of it when you stop it (massive gamma ray burst). So you'd have to (if you could ever actually build and fuel one) sort of.. point it *parallel* to your intended destination, stop a ways out, then putter in at sublight speeds.


All good points. But it is still just one "effect" rather than an entire technology that has to be invented. Stumble across the effect, or some good substitute thereof, and the tech and development will follow.
 
2013-05-16 08:22:45 PM

fluffy2097: BafflerMeal: , I believe it's a Barclay episode where he can see aliens who live in the transporter beam and no one believes him.

shiat, you're right. That's an exception. Was HE able to move in that episode? or just the creatures?

He was always a weird character. It's like they had 2 different plot lines for him, and just ran them one after another, even though it means he goes through his "awkward social outlier" phase on the ship twice for no apparent reason.



Yep, he was able to move.  In fact he pulled the 'alien' out with him.  Turned out to be someone 'lost' in the transporter beams.
 
2013-05-16 08:41:39 PM

MrEricSir: Unlike any of the items in the slideshow, the CommBadge is only a couple months from shipping.


Meh, Vocera was doing most of that crap (badly) a decade ago.
 
2013-05-16 08:43:38 PM
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Captain, we can't hold this thread together much longer.  I need time!!!!!
 
2013-05-16 08:45:00 PM

PsyLord: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.

Yeah, I hate to be anywhere close when he accidentally the whole thing and nukes the world since according to the latest ideas, when the warp bubble collapses, it obliterates all matter in front of it.


Well, yeah, that could happen. Yes, it would suck. But the survivors would have a star drive, right? Assuming he took notes....

I remember an old SF short story called Adam and No Eve where the "protragonist" accidentally destroys the world when a little bit of unburned catalyst from his experimental rocket engine escapes and destroys all the world's iron.

Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect. Remember the ZPMs in Stargate? Yeah.

About that surge of gamma rays out the front. Maybe someone will figure out a way to convert that energy to electricity and put it in one honkin' big capacitor.

Etc.
 
2013-05-16 08:59:47 PM
Holy shartsnax! The advertising on that page is horrible!!
 
2013-05-16 09:34:12 PM

metallion: I just wish automatic doors would make that cool sound.. :)


Shhht, shhht.
 
2013-05-16 09:42:08 PM

metallion: Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.

There was a story in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in either '79 or early '80, about teleport technology.  Can't remember the name.

It opens with the inventer of the technology watching people getting in and out of the transports.  She meets a young boy who has teleported everywhere, and she has a couple of flashbacks.

One is creating the technology, and two, is how to solve the fact that it's not truly teleport tech as much as it is copy tech.  When you teleport, your dna/body stats are read, and then you are electrocuted with enough voltage to turn you to ash, and the data is transmitted to the destination, where you are rebuilt.

She is afraid that if she teleports, she'll lose her soul.

It ends up with the kid picking her up, and tossing her into the teleporter, and when she rematerilizes, she realizes that it isn't that bad.

It's been a long time since I read that, but it was a fun read.


I remember one where a teleporter malfunctioned and created a copy which was left behind. The other one went on his merry way and was none the wiser. It was the job of the attendant on duty to kill the copy because there couldn't be two of the same people walking around. I remember some bargaining, pleading, and crying. Very creepy, sad story.
 
2013-05-16 09:45:09 PM

LDM90: I remember one where a teleporter malfunctioned and created a copy which was left behind. The other one went on his merry way and was none the wiser. It was the job of the attendant on duty to kill the copy because there couldn't be two of the same people walking around. I remember some bargaining, pleading, and crying. Very creepy, sad story.


That one got adapted to an Outer Limits episode
 
2013-05-16 09:47:40 PM
 
2013-05-16 09:52:49 PM
Cool, thanks!
 
2013-05-16 10:14:59 PM

LDM90: metallion: Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.

There was a story in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine in either '79 or early '80, about teleport technology.  Can't remember the name.

It opens with the inventer of the technology watching people getting in and out of the transports.  She meets a young boy who has teleported everywhere, and she has a couple of flashbacks.

One is creating the technology, and two, is how to solve the fact that it's not truly teleport tech as much as it is copy tech.  When you teleport, your dna/body stats are read, and then you are electrocuted with enough voltage to turn you to ash, and the data is transmitted to the destination, where you are rebuilt.

She is afraid that if she teleports, she'll lose her soul.

It ends up with the kid picking her up, and tossing her into the teleporter, and when she rematerilizes, she realizes that it isn't that bad.

It's been a long time since I read that, but it was a fun read.

I remember one where a teleporter malfunctioned and created a copy which was left behind. The other one went on his merry way and was none the wiser. It was the job of the attendant on duty to kill the copy because there couldn't be two of the same people walking around. I remember some bargaining, pleading, and crying. Very creepy, sad story.


I'll just leave this here for you then
 
2013-05-16 10:36:13 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect.


Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?
 
2013-05-16 11:05:45 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?


Duh. Thats the basic element of an interociter.
 
2013-05-16 11:21:31 PM

timujin: Also, don't forget transparent aluminum which is actually already here.


perfect for invisible tinfol hats
 
2013-05-16 11:24:02 PM

thisiszombocom: timujin: Also, don't forget transparent aluminum which is actually already here.

perfect for invisible tinfol hats


For all you can see, I'm wearing one right now
 
2013-05-16 11:31:22 PM

loonatic112358: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Like_a_Dinosaur_(The_Outer_Limits )

http://www.amazon.com/Think-Like-Dinosaur-Other-Stories/dp/193084620 7

http://www.hulu.com/watch/69830


Thanks, I tried watching the hulu link, and good people, interesting plot, and sheesh hulu half way through it and 9 commercials, click away, no thank you. Stupid money losing hulu.

But thank you for the links.
 
2013-05-16 11:34:03 PM

Tommy Moo: No way is teleporting more than a quantum particle "almost here." And even if it was, I'd never do it. No one stops to think that the people in Star Trek die every time they use a teleporter, and are replaced with an exact copy of themselves at the other end.


I don't really want to be teleported, but I've always wondered how much of Dr. McCoy's medical technology was shared with the transporter. Imagine if we had the ability to teleport and get rid of kidney stones, cholesterol build up in veins and arteries, repair strokes caused by blocked blood vessels. even inoperable cancers.
So many things that are too small or delicate to be done manually that could be done as long as the transporter can get it's field down that small.
 
2013-05-17 01:05:41 AM

Felgraf: Ah damnit I have an extraneous U in the first equation. That's a typo, please ignore.


Teleportation, yo!
 
2013-05-17 02:19:35 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?


Didn't read TFA, did you?
 
2013-05-17 03:45:21 AM

timujin: TheHighlandHowler: me neither, but don't waste your time.

http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/101238/10-Star-Trek-Technologies -T hat-are-Almost-Here#slide12

Don't waste your time with that, either.  Deslidefied




fark you racist.
assets.rollingstone.com
 
2013-05-17 04:14:38 AM

StoPPeRmobile: fark you racist.


whointhewhatnow?

Meh, anyway, I saw that live, it was pretty fun.  Not perfect, but fun nonetheless.  I'm wondering how long it'll be until watching that is like looking back on the CGI from The Last Starfighter.
 
2013-05-17 04:23:47 AM

timujin: StoPPeRmobile: fark you racist.

whointhewhatnow?

Meh, anyway, I saw that live, it was pretty fun.  Not perfect, but fun nonetheless.  I'm wondering how long it'll be until watching that is like looking back on the CGI from The Last Starfighter.




Like something from Universal Studios or Disney.

/I keed
 
2013-05-17 05:17:39 AM

PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.


Why? All we need is a ton of antimatter and some negative energy.

I'm filled to the brim with negative energy, so you bring the antimatter and we'll be good to go.
 
2013-05-17 05:50:53 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Kinda my point. Anyone who realizes this would probably never use one, especially if they believe in the concept of souls.


You sir, are clearly not an early adopter.  :)
 
2013-05-17 06:16:05 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?

Didn't read TFA, did you?


I'm not talking sci-fi here, just basic run-of-the-mill high school physics concepts.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?
 
2013-05-17 06:43:35 AM
And to think, the only reason the transporter exists at all is because they couldn't afford a shuttlecraft in the first season.
 
2013-05-17 11:54:59 AM

Shazam999: Felgraf: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: PsyLord: When I saw that #1 was the Warp Drive, I stopped.  Seriously, almost there with the Warp Drive?  The article writer is a double dumb-@ss.

Could happen 500 years from now after lots of painstaking incremental research. Could happen tomorrow in some RA's lab. A warp drive is the kind of thing that can be discovered by sheer dumb luck.

Well, there is a *theoretical* warp drive that the math works out for. The problems are

A) It requires an exotic form of matter that we're *NOT SURE EXISTS YET*.

B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)

C) It kind of kills everything in front of it when you stop it (massive gamma ray burst). So you'd have to (if you could ever actually build and fuel one) sort of.. point it *parallel* to your intended destination, stop a ways out, then putter in at sublight speeds.

I wonder about the gamma ray bursts. Should we be looking for these things somehow?  Maybe other intelligent civilizations have invented this form of warp drive?


Maybe we have already seen them and misidentified them?
 
2013-05-17 12:20:50 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Quantum Apostrophe: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Energy sources. Wiki something called the Casimir Effect.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?

Didn't read TFA, did you?

I'm not talking sci-fi here, just basic run-of-the-mill high school physics concepts.

Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?


>>>>>I'm not talking sci-fi here, just basic run-of-the-mill high school physics concepts.

 

Well, first, the Casimir Effect is definitely not science fiction. Repeated experiments have shown that there is some kind of energy there. Either an electromagnetic field (somehow created without power input), or "vacuum energy" from the creation of virtual particle pairs. My bet is that this effect will have important applications someday.

>>>>>Are two magnets attracting each other an energy source?

Probably not. Conventional thought would say no. Interesting article from MIT about it that states that magnets do not contain energy. BUT.....

What is a magnetic field, anyway? Expanding, what is any field. What are fields "made" of? All the answers I've seen are simply circular complex variations of "a field is a field is a field." I've read articles by physicists that claim that fields are created by elemental particles, and others that those particles are created by fields.

Do magnets ever wear out? The articles I looked at say "yes, eventually" but that this has little to do with usage and more to do with random radiation, environmental heat, and physical vibration. A normal refrigerator magnet will eventually fall to the floor, but not in your lifetime.

Attempts to use magnets as engines seem to me to be perpetual motion machines doomed to failure.
So I would say that - unless we can discover a material that is 100% to magnetic fields - then no, not an energy source.
 
2013-05-17 02:58:07 PM

Felgraf: B) It requires the mass-energy of the voyager probe. (This is an improvement: The initial one required the mass-energy *of Jupiter*)


That actually isn't nearly as bad as it sounds.  Voyager weighed in at 1,600 pounds.  Just means you need 550 pounds of antimatter and 550 pounds of normal matter to warp space enough to be viable.

That is not an unimaginable amount of anti-matter.
 
2013-05-17 03:53:55 PM

Edymnion: Just means you need 550 pounds of antimatter and 550 pounds of normal matter to warp space enough to be viable.


incorrect. Even in star trek  matter to energy conversion is not perfect.
 
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