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2013-05-16 01:37:51 PM  

Red_Fox: Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.


Wow! That takes me back a bit but yeah, remember buying that thing at CompUSA and returned it the next day because it couldn't do squat.  Got myself a Hayes modem instead and used it until I got broadband.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:54 PM  
I usually shop prices on what I need, but I think that will stop.  I'm willing to spend a few extra bucks at Newegg.  Good on them for not falling into the "just pay them" trap.  I can't believe QVC didn't fight.  As much as I don't like them, QVC is HUGE.
 
2013-05-16 01:43:57 PM  

Rwa2play: Red_Fox: Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.

Wow! That takes me back a bit but yeah, remember buying that thing at CompUSA and returned it the next day because it couldn't do squat.  Got myself a Hayes modem instead and used it until I got broadband.


That LT Win modem was a POS...I replaced it with a US Robotics 56k modem. Loved that thing and it worked like a damn champ.
 
2013-05-16 01:45:38 PM  
So, just me wondering....   So, now that someone has litigated against this, do these other companies stop payments to the troll company (I assume they just didn't write a big fat check, they are on some sort of "payment schedule" with the troll company), knowing that they have case law in their favor now (which was their worry before I am thinking, a big "unknown" legal wise).

Just wondering how wide this case casts the net... I am sure it stops the trolls from going forward with more lawsuits, but, does it also help the companies that didn't want to fight earlier?
 
2013-05-16 01:48:46 PM  
Go NewEgg!

Now, 2 questions:

1.  Why a trial in East Texas, of all places?  I'm assuming friendlier filing rules there?
2.  Alcatel's no shell company.  How the heck to they get so deep into patent trolling without the SEC looking into it?
 
2013-05-16 01:49:33 PM  

dletter: So, just me wondering....   So, now that someone has litigated against this, do these other companies stop payments to the troll company (I assume they just didn't write a big fat check, they are on some sort of "payment schedule" with the troll company), knowing that they have case law in their favor now (which was their worry before I am thinking, a big "unknown" legal wise).

Just wondering how wide this case casts the net... I am sure it stops the trolls from going forward with more lawsuits, but, does it also help the companies that didn't want to fight earlier?


Depends entirely on their settlement agreements. They can include a clause that you get to stop future payments if the patent is invalidated; include a clause that you get some money refunded if the patent is invalidated; or could even include a clause that requires you to keep paying even if the patent is invalidated. It's all negotiable.
 
2013-05-16 01:51:59 PM  
I'd love to support them, but they still think I owe them money on a hard drive I never received back in 2005. Whether it means anything to them or not, they have lost thousands of dollars from me in the last 8 years over a $79 dispute. Sorry Newegg.
 
2013-05-16 01:52:21 PM  

Rickenbacker: I usually shop prices on what I need, but I think that will stop.  I'm willing to spend a few extra bucks at Newegg.  Good on them for not falling into the "just pay them" trap.  I can't believe QVC didn't fight.  As much as I don't like them, QVC is HUGE.


Someone with more knownledge than me can back me up on this, but, my guess is it primarily comes down to....

QVC is part of Liberty Media, which is a public company.   NewEgg is a private company.

Public companies have to worry about shareholders, so, everything comes down to dollars and cents... it will be cheaper in the next 10 years to just give them some money than fight it in court, so, cave.   NewEgg likely had "cool" people at the top who said "Screw them, even if we lose 25% of our company net profit, I don't want the trolls to win".

Honestly... if you care about this kind of stuff, knowing which companies are Public vs. Private is a pretty good want to funnel who you do business with, especially if you hear good things about how they operate, such as this, and knowing how they treat employees, etc.   Once you go public, it is all about shareholder value.
 
2013-05-16 01:53:58 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: 1.  Why a trial in East Texas, of all places?  I'm assuming friendlier filing rules there?


Somewhat friendlier filing rules, in terms of costs and such, but more importantly, nothing else happens in east Texas, so there are no federal criminal cases in queue that the patent suits would have to wait for. So, it became a "rocket docket" where you could go to trial and potentially be done within a year. That's important for trolls, because they have no revenue other than settlements or judgements, so they don't want to be tied up waiting for years.

The juries are also marginally friendlier to plaintiffs - though some of that is because the plaintiffs all have local Texas lawyers, while the defendants usually have out-of-state New Yawk City?! lawyers or the like.
More importantly, it's a place where there aren't any defendants... It's not like suing Apple in Cupertino, or Microsoft in Redmond, where the jury members will likely have friends who work for the defendant, will have nice schools paid by local property taxes from the defendant, etc. So maybe it's less that the jury isn't pro-plaintiff, but that they're not pro-defendant.

2.  Alcatel's no shell company.  How the heck to they get so deep into patent trolling without the SEC looking into it?

There's nothing illegal about asserting your patent rights. The SEC wouldn't blink an eye.
 
2013-05-16 01:55:32 PM  
Now can someone sue Amazon.com for charging for Prime free shipping then forcing customers to spend $25 to buy most of what they want as Add-On items.

You know why I quit ordering more than one item at a time from Amazon? Because two or more items meant insufficient packing materials and thus incredibly damaged goods. EVERY FARKING ORDER. Like a plastic jar of powdered pickling spices pouring all over my electronics items. So don't blame me and others like me that quit buying huge orders at a time from Amazon.com only to see a jumbled mess of broken, damaged items.

Yeah, and spending time repackaging, calling Amazon.com customer service to arrange pickup of damaged items, then waiting a few days for the new items to appear and for the old items to be picked up (the record was 5 days of a driver showing up and leaving without picking up returning items) isn't fun.

Additionally, Amazon.com has apparently decided to avoid overhead by cutting inventories and just stocking items for other sellers. GREAT IDEA! That way, when I order something from Amazon.com, some putz in Florida hands Amazon.com some item I have no way of tracing its storage, pull date, etc. Then Amazon.com FULFILLS the order by under-packing the box and sending it out to me WITH NO WAY FOR ME TO TRACK THE ITEM. The last 5 orders I placed with Amazon.com all came back with "We're sorry. We are unable to provide tracking information at this time." Yeah, the 90's called. Tracking information is a absolute necessity for some and pretty much a requirement for proper customer care.

So, in sum, Quintillius Varus, give me back my Amazon.com!

i500.listal.com

In other words, I'm buying a lot more from Newegg.com and Walmart.com lately.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:14 PM  

mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.


Newegg is excellent on returns / handling defective products.  Bought a few laptop last December, came with a dead pixel, they had a return slip to me that evening.  Full refund including shipping, didn't have to pay for return shipping, got the new laptop two days later.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:27 PM  

dletter: QVC is part of Liberty Media, which is a public company.   NewEgg is a private company.


Likely a huge part of it.

Defending a big patent lawsuit can cost between 1-3 million, sometimes much more. Sometimes, it's a pure economic decision that says "we can pay out $20k per month for the next four years, or we can pay $150k per month to our attorneys for the next year, plus potentially another $50k per month for the next four years and a big chunk of money for back payments if we're found liable."

For a really small company (not that NewEgg is one), it can actually be significantly cheaper to settle because the troll may only want to have a few licensees they can point to to then go after the big guys. So your tiny garage-based company with your $200k in revenue per year may end up with a $1k/month license fee, provided you keep it secret.
 
2013-05-16 02:00:23 PM  
Theaetetus:

2.  Alcatel's no shell company.  How the heck to they get so deep into patent trolling without the SEC looking into it?

There's nothing illegal about asserting your patent rights. The SEC wouldn't blink an eye.


I get that they legally got the patents from Bell Labs, but in most cases, they can't even prove what (if any) infringement actually took place.  They're essentially using their patents for extortion.  You'd like tot hink the SEC would not like that...but then again, it's the SEC we're talking about.
 
2013-05-16 02:01:04 PM  

madgonad: Newegg isn't going to give you a reach-around.

They are a good business (and a sometime corporate White Knight), but they are still a business. I have spent plenty of money there, but have recently found their pricing to be a little on the high side.


The rest of us are more than happy to spend an extra few dollars to support Newegg, knowing they behave like they do in cases like these. In the end, their legal team is helping all of us with lower prices and more innovation. Would you rather kick $5 to Newegg now or spend $10 more on everything forever because everyone bent and spread for a patent troll and the consumer -- hey, that's us -- gets to backfill that loss?

Then again, that's also the argument for comprehensive national healthcare. And you see how well that went over.

At the end of the day, money's only money. Doing good is better.
 
2013-05-16 02:03:31 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Now can someone sue Amazon.com for charging for Prime free shipping then forcing customers to spend $25 to buy most of what they want as Add-On items.

You know why I quit ordering more than one item at a time from Amazon? Because two or more items meant insufficient packing materials and thus incredibly damaged goods. EVERY FARKING ORDER. Like a plastic jar of powdered pickling spices pouring all over my electronics items. So don't blame me and others like me that quit buying huge orders at a time from Amazon.com only to see a jumbled mess of broken, damaged items.

Yeah, and spending time repackaging, calling Amazon.com customer service to arrange pickup of damaged items, then waiting a few days for the new items to appear and for the old items to be picked up (the record was 5 days of a driver showing up and leaving without picking up returning items) isn't fun.

Additionally, Amazon.com has apparently decided to avoid overhead by cutting inventories and just stocking items for other sellers. GREAT IDEA! That way, when I order something from Amazon.com, some putz in Florida hands Amazon.com some item I have no way of tracing its storage, pull date, etc. Then Amazon.com FULFILLS the order by under-packing the box and sending it out to me WITH NO WAY FOR ME TO TRACK THE ITEM. The last 5 orders I placed with Amazon.com all came back with "We're sorry. We are unable to provide tracking information at this time." Yeah, the 90's called. Tracking information is a absolute necessity for some and pretty much a requirement for proper customer care.

So, in sum, Quintillius Varus, give me back my Amazon.com!

[i500.listal.com image 350x258]

In other words, I'm buying a lot more from Newegg.com and Walmart.com lately.


I stopped supporting those asshats over at Amazon the moment I found out they were backing this bassackwards Internet Sales Tax bill. fark you, Amazon. I will take my money elsewhere, even if I have to spend more.
 
2013-05-16 02:04:34 PM  

italie: I'd love to support them, but they still think I owe them money on a hard drive I never received back in 2005. Whether it means anything to them or not, they have lost thousands of dollars from me in the last 8 years over a $79 dispute. Sorry Newegg.


Oh come on now...tell us the story
 
2013-05-16 02:06:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.

Newegg is excellent on returns / handling defective products.  Bought a few laptop last December, came with a dead pixel, they had a return slip to me that evening.  Full refund including shipping, didn't have to pay for return shipping, got the new laptop two days later.


Newegg.com once in a while sells these things for $28.

static1.fatwalletcdn.com

I love mine--it didn't come with the lid holder or a ring--but for $28 I wouldn't be heart-broken if I dropped it or it went up in flames. I use the thing on the patio mostly anyways.
 
2013-05-16 02:08:46 PM  
Go newegg. Man I haven't thought about modems for a long time. US robotics made a solid 56K external that I had hooked up to my router till DSL came. It took so long to get one song. But you didn't get sued back then. Oh the piles of useless tech I probably have in a bin someplace in the attic.
 
2013-05-16 02:10:07 PM  

Endive Wombat: italie: I'd love to support them, but they still think I owe them money on a hard drive I never received back in 2005. Whether it means anything to them or not, they have lost thousands of dollars from me in the last 8 years over a $79 dispute. Sorry Newegg.

Oh come on now...tell us the story


I think he probably already did.... sounds like he bought a hard drive for $79, he never got it, so he disputed the charge on his card, NewEgg says "No, you definitely have the drive"... guy hasn't bought anything from them since.

My only question there is, was there no tracking on the package?   If it was tracked via UPS/FedEx, then, he'd have to sign for it... unless it is suggested it was left on a doorstep or something, and someone stole it.  But, if you request for them (FedEx, UPS) to just leave the package "somewhere" public (ie, at the front door), you are basically responsible at that point I think for any theft(?) issues.   That isn't FedEx's fault, nor certainly New Eggs.
 
2013-05-16 02:11:36 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-16 02:13:23 PM  

Rwa2play: Red_Fox: Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.

Wow! That takes me back a bit but yeah, remember buying that thing at CompUSA and returned it the next day because it couldn't do squat.  Got myself a Hayes modem instead and used it until I got broadband.


CSB time: I worked at Hayes for 14 years. Toward the end, we were using both Rockwell and Lucent chipsets for the modems. In general, the Lucent ones were LESS buggy. But the Win Modem was a total POS in so very many ways. In all cases, though, we did a lot of custom firmware to work around issues where possible and to implement additional features. But I remember having to test many modems due to "upgrades" in the basic chipset.


/QA Manager was the last title I had there
//Hayes modems were pricey but damn good...until near the end when things were spiraling down the drain
///Best company I ever worked for, particularly in the early years.
 
2013-05-16 02:15:09 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Like a plastic jar of powdered pickling spices pouring all over my electronics items. So don't blame me


You do understand there is an option while ordering to have them in separate boxes.
 
Skr
2013-05-16 02:16:22 PM  
That lawyer Mr. Cheng sounds like a really awesome guy. Glad Newegg didn't capitulate. Really enjoy using their service already.
 
2013-05-16 02:19:50 PM  
Good on newegg for litigating, as it is in fact the only way lots of these crusty old pre-KSR patents will get tossed.

Not sure if Alcatel counts as an actual troll here, but have no problem seeing them go down.
 
2013-05-16 02:21:20 PM  
Anytime someone says, "How about jack shiat and go fark yourself," to a patent troll, we all win.
 
2013-05-16 02:21:56 PM  

Choestoe: Rwa2play: Red_Fox: Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.

Wow! That takes me back a bit but yeah, remember buying that thing at CompUSA and returned it the next day because it couldn't do squat.  Got myself a Hayes modem instead and used it until I got broadband.

CSB time: I worked at Hayes for 14 years. Toward the end, we were using both Rockwell and Lucent chipsets for the modems. In general, the Lucent ones were LESS buggy. But the Win Modem was a total POS in so very many ways. In all cases, though, we did a lot of custom firmware to work around issues where possible and to implement additional features. But I remember having to test many modems due to "upgrades" in the basic chipset.


/QA Manager was the last title I had there
//Hayes modems were pricey but damn good...until near the end when things were spiraling down the drain
///Best company I ever worked for, particularly in the early years.


Did two contracts there.
Dennis was truly an innovator and his Ex Wife is truly SPECIAL.
Anything DSL related pretty much evolved from that company.
 
2013-05-16 02:22:03 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: TheShavingofOccam123: Like a plastic jar of powdered pickling spices pouring all over my electronics items. So don't blame me

You do understand there is an option while ordering to have them in separate boxes.


Yes. Yes, I do.


BUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A COMPANY THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON CUSTOMER SERVICE TO PROPERLY PACKAGE ITEMS TOGETHER?  I WOULD LIKE ALL OF MY ITEMS IN ONCE BOX.

Sorry I flared.

The worst Amazon.com experience I had was the boxed assortment of bagged food items. Some warehouse employee had spent a few weeks removing a bag from the torn-open box, eating the all the contents, then wadding the empty bag up and shoving it back into the box. He had eaten about 6 or 7 bags and was still working on the 8th when the box was shipped to me. He thoughtfully included the half-eaten bag in the box.

/Then there was the worm in my bottle of wine club cabernet...
 
2013-05-16 02:22:12 PM  
between newegg and monoprice i never have to leave the house for electronic/computer needs
 
2013-05-16 02:23:14 PM  
@dletter... (Quote button fail on android)Basically never received the first drive. They immediately shipped a second which I did get. They also billed the second to me. I called to fix the whole "I paid for two drives but got one" and it got ugly. After 2 weeks of arguing my point I reversed the charges on one of the drives. They battled with my CC for six month, eventually banning my name and address from ordering. I didn't even know I was banned until placing a $1500 order some months later.
 
2013-05-16 02:27:43 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Theaetetus:

2.  Alcatel's no shell company.  How the heck to they get so deep into patent trolling without the SEC looking into it?

There's nothing illegal about asserting your patent rights. The SEC wouldn't blink an eye.

I get that they legally got the patents from Bell Labs, but in most cases, they can't even prove what (if any) infringement actually took place.  They're essentially using their patents for extortion.  You'd like tot hink the SEC would not like that...but then again, it's the SEC we're talking about.


No, they were able to get past summary judgement motions to trial. To defeat a motion for summary judgement, the plaintiff has to show that they've provided enough proof that a reasonable jury  could find that infringement took place. Now, that's a relatively low bar, but it's still a real one. Technically, a jury could reasonably have believed their experts and found NewEgg to infringe. And yes, I know the article has a quote referring to some Alcatel VP who couldn't name the patents or technologies in suit, but forget the quote cherry picking, and realize that there were months and months of motions and filings back and forth.

And so, for an analogy to more familiar territory, it's like you've got enough evidence to bring charges, but (as it turns out), not enough to convince the jury to convict. Does that mean you engaged in extortion when you brought the charges or if you offered a plea bargain? No... you had a reasonable possibility of winning.
 
Ant
2013-05-16 02:28:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Satanic_Hamster: mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.

Newegg is excellent on returns / handling defective products.  Bought a few laptop last December, came with a dead pixel, they had a return slip to me that evening.  Full refund including shipping, didn't have to pay for return shipping, got the new laptop two days later.

Newegg.com once in a while sells these things for $28.

[static1.fatwalletcdn.com image 200x200]

I love mine--it didn't come with the lid holder or a ring--but for $28 I wouldn't be heart-broken if I dropped it or it went up in flames. I use the thing on the patio mostly anyways.


What is that?
 
2013-05-16 02:29:00 PM  
Newegg customer for almost 10 years now, never had a problem with them, RMA'ed a few items over the years with no issues whatsoever.

Well played Newegg, well played.
 
2013-05-16 02:30:32 PM  
"yeah, but, yo, like, ya ahnnah, see, I patented this, like" "paper cup", see?  And like, all dese muthaf*ckas are, like, selling Kool Aid in MY cup and I need PAID!"  "Go home, dolt."  yay.
 
2013-05-16 02:31:30 PM  
As an aside, it actually is a little surprising that the jury found non-infringement. A parameterized HTTP POST request could read on that first claim.
 
2013-05-16 02:35:48 PM  
As someone who uses newegg.com exclusively when it comes to buying computer parts online, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-05-16 02:36:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Princess Ryans Knickers: TheShavingofOccam123: Like a plastic jar of powdered pickling spices pouring all over my electronics items. So don't blame me

You do understand there is an option while ordering to have them in separate boxes.

Yes. Yes, I do.


BUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A COMPANY THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON CUSTOMER SERVICE TO PROPERLY PACKAGE ITEMS TOGETHER?  I WOULD LIKE ALL OF MY ITEMS IN ONCE BOX.

Sorry I flared.

The worst Amazon.com experience I had was the boxed assortment of bagged food items. Some warehouse employee had spent a few weeks removing a bag from the torn-open box, eating the all the contents, then wadding the empty bag up and shoving it back into the box. He had eaten about 6 or 7 bags and was still working on the 8th when the box was shipped to me. He thoughtfully included the half-eaten bag in the box.

/Then there was the worm in my bottle of wine club cabernet...


Counter ancedotal point.

I have never had an issue with amazon shipping. And I get on average two packages a week for the past three years.
 
2013-05-16 02:37:02 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: In other words, I'm buying a lot more from Newegg.com and Walmart.com lately.


I was totally on board until that was said.  As awful as both of those businesses are I just refuse to give walmart money.  I bought a Prime membership back in January cuz it came with a discount on a new xbox bundle.  it was pretty much for the Instant video stuff cuz i just dont buy a lot of stuff to save more than $80 in shipping.  now 5 months later there is no way in hell i'll re-up with them for $80 for a piss-poor selection of titles.  but the free shipping has come in handy a couple times but at best saved me $20.  lesson learned, yada yada yada but im never supplanting amazon (or anyone else) for walamart.  ever.
 
2013-05-16 02:37:58 PM  

Ant: TheShavingofOccam123: Satanic_Hamster: mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.

Newegg is excellent on returns / handling defective products.  Bought a few laptop last December, came with a dead pixel, they had a return slip to me that evening.  Full refund including shipping, didn't have to pay for return shipping, got the new laptop two days later.

Newegg.com once in a while sells these things for $28.

[static1.fatwalletcdn.com image 200x200]

I love mine--it didn't come with the lid holder or a ring--but for $28 I wouldn't be heart-broken if I dropped it or it went up in flames. I use the thing on the patio mostly anyways.

What is that?


It's a Rosewill Convection oven. Has a heat lamp inside along with a fan. Does something very well; others not so much. But if I can cook outside and not stink the house up for $28, I'm in.
 
2013-05-16 02:38:17 PM  

The Flexecutioner: [www.solidsignal.com image 850x170]


Those should be eggs instead of stars.
 
2013-05-16 02:41:38 PM  

Another Government Employee: Choestoe: Rwa2play: Red_Fox: Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.

Wow! That takes me back a bit but yeah, remember buying that thing at CompUSA and returned it the next day because it couldn't do squat.  Got myself a Hayes modem instead and used it until I got broadband.

CSB time: I worked at Hayes for 14 years. Toward the end, we were using both Rockwell and Lucent chipsets for the modems. In general, the Lucent ones were LESS buggy. But the Win Modem was a total POS in so very many ways. In all cases, though, we did a lot of custom firmware to work around issues where possible and to implement additional features. But I remember having to test many modems due to "upgrades" in the basic chipset.


/QA Manager was the last title I had there
//Hayes modems were pricey but damn good...until near the end when things were spiraling down the drain
///Best company I ever worked for, particularly in the early years.

Did two contracts there.
Dennis was truly an innovator and his Ex Wife is truly SPECIAL.
Anything DSL related pretty much evolved from that company.


Heh - which ex-wife? Both cost him a pile of money, but in different ways...
 
2013-05-16 02:41:43 PM  

The Flexecutioner: TheShavingofOccam123: In other words, I'm buying a lot more from Newegg.com and Walmart.com lately.

I was totally on board until that was said.  As awful as both of those businesses are I just refuse to give walmart money.  I bought a Prime membership back in January cuz it came with a discount on a new xbox bundle.  it was pretty much for the Instant video stuff cuz i just dont buy a lot of stuff to save more than $80 in shipping.  now 5 months later there is no way in hell i'll re-up with them for $80 for a piss-poor selection of titles.  but the free shipping has come in handy a couple times but at best saved me $20.  lesson learned, yada yada yada but im never supplanting amazon (or anyone else) for walamart.  ever.


I hear you about Walmart. They have a bad habit of "processing" orders then letting customers know a few days later, they never had the item in stock.

My most recent experiences with Walmart.com have been far better than my earlier experiences. And they don't charge me $80 a year so I can buy $25 worth of stuff just to buy the things I need. (Haven't actually done that; bought at other online retailers instead.) Won't be re-Priming when mine expires. Unless I figure video is worth it then but it isn't right now.
 
2013-05-16 02:49:40 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Flexecutioner: TheShavingofOccam123: In other words, I'm buying a lot more from Newegg.com and Walmart.com lately.

I was totally on board until that was said.  As awful as both of those businesses are I just refuse to give walmart money.  I bought a Prime membership back in January cuz it came with a discount on a new xbox bundle.  it was pretty much for the Instant video stuff cuz i just dont buy a lot of stuff to save more than $80 in shipping.  now 5 months later there is no way in hell i'll re-up with them for $80 for a piss-poor selection of titles.  but the free shipping has come in handy a couple times but at best saved me $20.  lesson learned, yada yada yada but im never supplanting amazon (or anyone else) for walamart.  ever.

I hear you about Walmart. They have a bad habit of "processing" orders then letting customers know a few days later, they never had the item in stock.

My most recent experiences with Walmart.com have been far better than my earlier experiences. And they don't charge me $80 a year so I can buy $25 worth of stuff just to buy the things I need. (Haven't actually done that; bought at other online retailers instead.) Won't be re-Priming when mine expires. Unless I figure video is worth it then but it isn't right now.


There were some rumblings that they might drop it from $80 but it would have to be about half that for me to justify it and it couldn't have some major changes for price drop.  A lot of video services are really showing them they have better selection and they kind of know that.  But they are also jumping into Original Content territory to see if it can work.  Time will tell, i guess.
 
2013-05-16 02:50:11 PM  

Theaetetus: As an aside, it actually is a little surprising that the jury found non-infringement. A parameterized HTTP POST request could read on that first claim.


I am SHOCKED that you agree with the trolls. Absolutely flabbergasted.
 
2013-05-16 02:55:16 PM  
Those of you who prefer amazon over newegg due to prime shipping should check into shoprunner.com. It offers a similar deal for newegg and other online sellers. The best part is they've often had free membership promos over the last few years - currently most Amex cards will get you a free year.

Nothing against amazon, I use them often too. But newegg is great, and I wasn't even aware they were fighting (and winning) the good fight on this stuff.
 
2013-05-16 03:03:44 PM  

DeathCipris: Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?

www.newegg.com

Go buy a flash drive or something. :)


I'm going to be rebuilding an old laptop soon (my first time doing it solo) and I will definitely be browsing for the few parts I need at newegg.
 
2013-05-16 03:10:20 PM  

umad: Theaetetus: As an aside, it actually is a little surprising that the jury found non-infringement. A parameterized HTTP POST request could read on that first claim.

I am SHOCKED that you agree with the trolls. Absolutely flabbergasted.


I am SHOCKED that you're illiterate:

Theaetetus: The article doesn't mention what the '131 patent was invalid over, but fortunately, all of the trial documents are up on PACER. It looks like the piece of prior art used was the X Window System, as described in the Xlib Programming Manual for Version 11, Vol. 1.

Interestingly (particularly with the CLS Bank case that was just decided), patent eligibility under 35 USC 101 didn't seem to be an issue at trial. Which is surprising, 'cause I can't believe those claims would pass muster under the CLS analysis.


Oh, wait, no I'm not. I've come to expect it from you.

But, just in case anyone else is confused, let's break it down in a simple analogy.
Say I have a patent that claims "1. A method for living, comprising: breathing."  You infringe it, don't you? You're breathing, right?
Yes, of course you do. That said, it's absolutely invalid. There's prior art going back hundreds of millions of years for one.

Now, let's apply that to this situation. The claims here recite assigning an identifier to an object, and transmitting that identifier and the object. Like, say, transmitting a POST request with "?text=here%20is%20some%20text." Or "?pagenumber=2". There's a good chance that NewEgg, along with almost every marginally interactive website in the world, does that. Thing is, sending an identifier and an object has been done for decades, which is why, for example, the X Windows system included it. So the patent is so broad that you can't help but infringe, but it's also so broad that there's tons of prior art predating it and it's invalid.

Got it, umad? Because it's farking simple, much like you.
 
2013-05-16 03:13:35 PM  

Theaetetus: So the patent is so broad that you can't help but infringe, but it's also so broad that there's tons of prior art predating it and it's invalid.


So you're surprised that they found non-infringement, as opposed to up and invalidating it totally?

I can see that, especially given your explanation.
 
2013-05-16 03:15:31 PM  
I got to the 2nd sentence and saw it was about French people. That was enough.

Cute article. People from France trying to do something smart and all techy.

/hope ftw!
 
2013-05-16 03:15:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Theaetetus: So the patent is so broad that you can't help but infringe, but it's also so broad that there's tons of prior art predating it and it's invalid.

So you're surprised that they found non-infringement,

as opposed to up and invalidating it totally?

I can see that, especially given your explanation.


No, they invalidated it totally. I'm surprised that, given that, they also found non-infringement. Basically "this method is so common and well known that everyone has been doing it for decades,  and NewEgg doesn't do it" is a logically odd outcome.
 
2013-05-16 03:17:05 PM  
This is great news.

Also, newegg is great. They've been my go to for computer hardware for years.
 
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