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2013-05-16 12:43:09 PM
Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-05-16 12:46:23 PM

BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.


I came here to say the same thing.
 
2013-05-16 12:48:40 PM
there are so many words...
 
2013-05-16 12:49:04 PM
<i>"Successful defendants have their litigation managed by people who care," said Cheng. "For me, it's easy. I believe in Newegg, I care about Newegg. Alcatel Lucent, meanwhile, they drag out some random VP-who happens to be a decorated Navy veteran, who happens to be handsome and has a beautiful wife and kids-but the guy didn't know what patents were being asserted. What a joke.

"Shareholders of public companies that engage in patent trolling should ask themselves if they're really well-served by their management teams," Cheng added. "Are they properly monetizing their R&D? Surely there are better ways to make money than to just rely on litigating patents. If I was a shareholder, I would take a hard look as to whether their management was competent."</i>

Ha. Utter smackdown
 
2013-05-16 12:49:39 PM
Oh fark...you and your html buttons
 
2013-05-16 12:51:24 PM
Alcatel's products are also utter shiat.

I worked for a major international for quite a few years, and we had an Alcatel PABX phone system. It regularly crashed and had to be rebooted -- killing everybody's calls in the process, and taking their phones offline. It also had a rather nasty bug in that when a single extension passed a threshold for a certain number of voicemails, all the voicemails to every single phone in both our buildings would vanish.

According to our facilities manager, Alcatel had sent engineers from their corporate HQ in France to look at the thing numerous times, replacing every single hardware component, making custom builds of firmware just for us, and so on -- yet to my knowledge they never figured out either problem in the numerous years I was with the company.
 
2013-05-16 12:52:06 PM

BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.


They always get my business.
 
2013-05-16 12:53:31 PM

braedan: there are so many words...


static.neatoshop.com
"Good Luck we are all counting on you." seems oddly appropriate.
/Hotlinking from the sidebar, is that wrong?
 
2013-05-16 12:54:01 PM
Can we burn trolls at the stake?
 
2013-05-16 12:54:51 PM
The good news is, we won this case on every point. The bad news is, we're running out of lawsuits. There are fewer trolls for us to fight. I've spent a lot of time over the last seven years figuring out what to do with these guys. There are strategies I think would be really neat and effective that I literally can't execute. I can't make good law because I don't have any appellate cases left.

www.s9.com

I know that feel, bro.
 
2013-05-16 12:55:46 PM
Bell Labs was a national treasure.    It has always fascinated me that there was such a strong civic ethic at Bell that they would plow millions (probably billions in CY dollars) into blue-sky research... a lot of which benefited them, obviously, but even more of which has proven to benefit society at large.

Alcatel-Lucent seem like cockroaches scurrying around the Metropolitan Museum by comparison.
 
2013-05-16 12:56:13 PM
NewEgg's headquarters are the next block over from where I am sitting right now, at the desk in the building where I work.

Kinda feel like walking over there on my lunch break and hugging some folks.
 
2013-05-16 12:56:36 PM

squibbits: BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.

I came here to say the same thing.

 
2013-05-16 12:56:45 PM
www.solidsignal.com
 
2013-05-16 12:57:11 PM
I hold a patent on overzealous usage of the hero tag, so I'm getting a kickback out of these replies.
 
2013-05-16 12:58:04 PM
Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?
 
2013-05-16 12:59:26 PM
somebody should patent "patent trolling" that way if anyone does sue and manages to make a buck, they can sue them and take a portion back
 
2013-05-16 01:00:57 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?


Newegg.com is a computer parts and software vendor. Like amazon only more focused with better reviews.
 
2013-05-16 01:01:04 PM

BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.


Newegg is an awesome company and when I first started shopping for PC parts no one could beat Neweggs prices on anything, all of my local computer shops were just too expensive. But lately I've been shopping at Amazon for computer stuff, the prices are just too good and with Amazon Prime the shipping is usually free 2 day delivery. Newegg still has the bigger selection though.
 
2013-05-16 01:01:29 PM
It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
  To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
  Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
  And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
  And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
  To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
  We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
  But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
  You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
  For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
  You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
  No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
  And the nation that plays it is lost!"

 - Rudyard Kipling
 
2013-05-16 01:02:05 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?


A farking fantastic online electronics retailer.  Just type in their name +.com and there you go.

They were already awesome before fighting online trolls, this type of stuff just makes me continue to give them business.
 
2013-05-16 01:02:34 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?


NewEgg.com.

// it's dot-com!

EddyKilowatt: Bell Labs was a national treasure. It has always fascinated me that there was such a strong civic ethic at Bell that they would plow millions (probably billions in CY dollars) into blue-sky research... a lot of which benefited them, obviously, but even more of which has proven to benefit society at large.


Google does this - they actually allow their employees to dedicate up to 25% of their working hours to blue-sky stuff like that. IIRC, it's how we ended up with Maps, Reader, Mail and more than one other "in-the-pipe" tech.

Patents are supposed to be used for furthering innovation - (again IIRC) just sitting on a patent long enough can invalidate it, or maybe it's only when the holder actively prevents anything from happening with it.

// not a lawyer
 
2013-05-16 01:02:47 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I hold a patent on overzealous usage of the hero tag, so I'm getting a kickback out of these replies.


Lucky.  I'm applying for a patent for the incorrect usage of literal versus figurative speech, but all this paperwork is literally killing me.
 
2013-05-16 01:03:14 PM
And once again, "because I said so" fails utterly.

Thanks, Newegg. I will continue to patronize your store.
 
2013-05-16 01:03:38 PM
Lucent has sucked ever since the LT Win modem.
 
2013-05-16 01:06:17 PM

Walker: BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.

They always get my business.


This. It's always a pleasure doing business with Newegg.
 
2013-05-16 01:08:00 PM

TheSelphie: Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?

A farking fantastic online electronics retailer.  Just type in their name +.com and there you go.

They were already awesome before fighting online trolls, this type of stuff just makes me continue to give them business.


Newegg isn't going to give you a reach-around.

They are a good business (and a sometime corporate White Knight), but they are still a business. I have spent plenty of money there, but have recently found their pricing to be a little on the high side. Microcenter and Frys will generally beat them on price.
 
2013-05-16 01:09:17 PM

you are a puppet: Shareholders of public companies that engage in patent trolling should ask themselves if they're really well-served by their management teams," Cheng added. "Are they properly monetizing their R&D? Surely there are better ways to make money than to just rely on litigating patents. If I was a shareholder, I would take a hard look as to whether their management was competent."

Ha. Utter smackdown


Yeah, you know how I know he's a great litigator? It's not that he won this case--I have no idea if that was difficult. It's the care with which he's carefully sharpened these little knives he keeps sticking in the backs of his already-defeated opponent.

Any other lawyer would already be buying Alcatel's CEO a consolatory round of drinks at the country club now. This guy was up late the night AFTER the trial, making sure he had five different ways of saying "fark you" for every interview question he might be asked.

He might have done more damage in the short term just by shiatting all over their stock price than by dinking their business model.
 
2013-05-16 01:12:36 PM
Its been a few weeks since I bought something from Newegg, this is a good reason to buy something from them stat! hmm so many choices. Last time I bought a 64 GB USB 3.0 thumbdrive for $30. Maybe I should get a 4 TB drive just for kicks.
 
2013-05-16 01:13:09 PM
Shame that more companies are able or willing to fight trolls like this.
 
2013-05-16 01:14:16 PM

madgonad: TheSelphie: Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?

A farking fantastic online electronics retailer.  Just type in their name +.com and there you go.

They were already awesome before fighting online trolls, this type of stuff just makes me continue to give them business.

Newegg isn't going to give you a reach-around.

They are a good business (and a sometime corporate White Knight), but they are still a business. I have spent plenty of money there, but have recently found their pricing to be a little on the high side. Microcenter and Frys will generally beat them on price.


Unfortunately we don't have Microcenter or Fry's locally.  I mostly buy videogames from them (they often have great sales on preorders), my husband sometimes buys computer parts from them.  We're definitely not hardcore shoppers there but we give them regular business.
 
2013-05-16 01:15:24 PM
I buy a ton of stuff from NewEgg. Great company with good policies.
 
2013-05-16 01:15:33 PM
Newegg : Patent Trolls :: Young USA : Barbary Pirates
 
2013-05-16 01:16:03 PM

BKITU: Well, they're getting my business for the foreseeable future.


^ THIS

Ftfa: "The bad news is, we're running out of lawsuits. There are fewer trolls for us to fight."

I'm gonna just find electronics to blow money on.
 
2013-05-16 01:19:26 PM
fark year!
Go NewEgg! I have been buying PC equipment from them for probably a decade. You know, I think I will order that hard drive from them today.
 
2013-05-16 01:21:56 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?


www.newegg.com

Go buy a flash drive or something. :)
 
2013-05-16 01:22:35 PM

madgonad: TheSelphie: Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?

A farking fantastic online electronics retailer.  Just type in their name +.com and there you go.

They were already awesome before fighting online trolls, this type of stuff just makes me continue to give them business.

Newegg isn't going to give you a reach-around.

They are a good business (and a sometime corporate White Knight), but they are still a business. I have spent plenty of money there, but have recently found their pricing to be a little on the high side. Microcenter and Frys will generally beat them on price.


Microcenter has a bricks and mortar store a few blocks from my house, which I visit pretty frequently.... but their website SUCKS. Newegg does not have a store near me, but their website is AWESOME. I end up splitting my business between the two.

Microcenter's prices are usually the best, but when they don't have something I want in their store Newegg is the online store I get it from and they have some good sales too. Amazon Prime I use for all my non-computer purchases, like stuff for my garden. It's awesome to get a wheelbarrow delivered in 1-2 days and not pay shipping.
 
2013-05-16 01:24:49 PM
This box may contain AWESOME!


DeathCipris: fark year!
Go NewEgg! I have been buying PC equipment from them for probably a decade. You know, I think I will order that hard drive from them today.


Ditto. And I love the fact that for 99% of the items I order, I receive them the following day!
 
2013-05-16 01:25:31 PM
There must be a special circle of hell for patent trolls. In a perfect world, they would land there after passing on. Then, they'd be confronted with a team of hell's best lawyers, bringing suit against them for violating a method patent on being happy and pain-free and treating them accordingly...

//lost a tiny business to a web patent troll, still a little bitter. They bring no value to the world.
 
2013-05-16 01:25:37 PM
I don't know why I read articles like this even when they have a happy ending. Just knowing this type of douche baggery is going on makes me wish death on the entire legal system.
 
2013-05-16 01:26:55 PM
Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.
 
2013-05-16 01:29:38 PM
The article doesn't mention what the '131 patent was invalid over, but fortunately, all of the trial documents are up on PACER. It looks like the piece of prior art used was the X Window System, as described in the Xlib Programming Manual for Version 11, Vol. 1.

Interestingly (particularly with the CLS Bank case that was just decided), patent eligibility under 35 USC 101 didn't seem to be an issue at trial. Which is surprising, 'cause I can't believe those claims would pass muster under the CLS analysis.

For reference, the claims that were asserted were 1 and 5:

1. A method of operating a host processor communicating with a terminal device, said method comprising the steps of

assigning an identifier to a respective one of a plurality of input object types, and

transmitting said identifier and its respective input object type to said device, wherein said plurality of object types includes at least two of the object types choice, entry, text, and image.


5. A method of operating a host processor communicating with a terminal device, said method comprising the steps of

assigning an identifier to a respective one of a plurality of predefined presentation data types, said host being the originator of said identifier and said presentation data types,

transmitting said identifier and its respective presentation data type to said device, and

further transmitting to said device at least a first datum, and

providing at said device a second datum that is a function of said first datum.
 
2013-05-16 01:29:40 PM

mongbiohazard: madgonad: TheSelphie: Mike Chewbacca: Who the hell is NewEgg and how can I give them my money as a big thank you for doing this?

A farking fantastic online electronics retailer.  Just type in their name +.com and there you go.

They were already awesome before fighting online trolls, this type of stuff just makes me continue to give them business.

Newegg isn't going to give you a reach-around.

They are a good business (and a sometime corporate White Knight), but they are still a business. I have spent plenty of money there, but have recently found their pricing to be a little on the high side. Microcenter and Frys will generally beat them on price.

Microcenter has a bricks and mortar store a few blocks from my house, which I visit pretty frequently.... but their website SUCKS. Newegg does not have a store near me, but their website is AWESOME. I end up splitting my business between the two.

Microcenter's prices are usually the best, but when they don't have something I want in their store Newegg is the online store I get it from and they have some good sales too. Amazon Prime I use for all my non-computer purchases, like stuff for my garden. It's awesome to get a wheelbarrow delivered in 1-2 days and not pay shipping.


Microcenter's website does its job - it tells me when to hoof it into the store. Newgg's is outstanding, but while inventory is quite good their pricing tends to run higher. Amazon is kind of a fall-back for me. They depend too much on partners (with high prices) for computer gear.
 
2013-05-16 01:29:45 PM
Hey Corporate America-- this is an example of a company DOING IT RIGHT.
Hey patent trolls-- go suck a bag of dicks and find a new line of work, scumbags.
 
2013-05-16 01:32:15 PM
I opened a preferred account there a few years ago. Got my ASUS Transformer a few months back.
 
2013-05-16 01:33:13 PM

mongbiohazard: Oh yeah, and many years ago I had a problem with a CPU I bought from Newegg. When I opened the package it was chipped. It took exactly one phone call - and 0 arguing - to get them to ship me out a new one, which I received before the one I was returning even had a chance to make it back to them. I've bought lots of stuff from them since then, and referred many people to their website.


I bought some plastic OXO kitchen containers from them a few years ago, and when it arrived, 2 of the 7 were completely shattered in the box. Called them up, and they straight up refunded my money and I got to keep the other 5. I ended up throwing them all away because they were terrible, but I didn't expect to get them for free at at all. They've had 95% of my computer parts business since I was 14.
 
2013-05-16 01:33:40 PM
Used to order from Newegg all the time, until I got Amazon Prime. May have to start giving Newegg business again.
 
2013-05-16 01:34:07 PM

gweilo8888: Alcatel's products are also utter shiat.

I worked for a major international for quite a few years, and we had an Alcatel PABX phone system. It regularly crashed and had to be rebooted -- killing everybody's calls in the process, and taking their phones offline.

It also had a rather nasty bug in that when a single extension passed a threshold for a certain number of voicemails, all the voicemails to every single phone in both our buildings would vanish.

According to our facilities manager, Alcatel had sent engineers from their corporate HQ in France to look at the thing numerous times, replacing every single hardware component, making custom builds of firmware just for us, and so on -- yet to my knowledge they never figured out either problem in the numerous years I was with the company.


That's actually a patent of theirs; they are using to sue any company where the phone system crashes.
 
2013-05-16 01:35:09 PM

The Flexecutioner: [www.solidsignal.com image 850x170]


This...and they will be getting my business soon.
 
2013-05-16 01:35:44 PM

Random Discord: This box may contain AWESOME!


DeathCipris: fark year!
Go NewEgg! I have been buying PC equipment from them for probably a decade. You know, I think I will order that hard drive from them today.

Ditto. And I love the fact that for 99% of the items I order, I receive them the following day!


I think they use matter transport shipping or some craziness.
 
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