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(The Atlantic Wire)   SO apparently Dzhokar Tsarnaev wrote out a complete confession on the walls of the boat he was hiding out in. Odd, you'd think that's the sort of think cops would have mentioned, say, a month ago when he was captured, not now   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 190
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2013-05-16 09:30:50 AM
No, not really. Especially if you are working to make sure that it can be entered in at his coming trial.

Law, you can't farking explain that?!
 
2013-05-16 09:41:26 AM
This is outrageous!

Tell Eric Holder to get his ass down here! I want to know who knew what when and how I can use this to hold up immigration reform.

/boatwallgate
 
2013-05-16 09:49:22 AM
Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?
 
2013-05-16 09:50:58 AM
Subby's just asking questions. Why wouldn't they mention it from the beginning unless they had something to hide?
 
2013-05-16 09:53:36 AM
Maybe because they're the farking police and not an information gathering outfit for lazy reporters.
 
2013-05-16 09:53:38 AM
There was a red bandanna in the boat.
 
2013-05-16 09:54:15 AM

Wendy's Chili: This is outrageous!

Tell Eric Holder to get his ass down here! I want to know who knew what when and how I can use this to hold up immigration reform.

/boatwallgate


Woah woah, let's not start casting aspersions on his asparagus.
 
2013-05-16 09:56:31 AM
This just in-- The police often find that holding back some of the information during an investigation, weeds out false confessions and/or allows them to get more information from suspects.
 
2013-05-16 09:56:33 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?


Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.
 
2013-05-16 09:57:40 AM

Magorn: Well as a lawyer


Stopped reading there. Go crawl back under your rock of slime.
 
2013-05-16 09:58:15 AM
Because when I'm shot and bleeding, and running from infidels, the first thing I'm going to do is write down a full account of my actions.  Because that's the most important thing to do at that moment.

 
2013-05-16 09:58:33 AM
Subby demands a complete list of all evidence in all open criminal investigations as it is his business. Who do these cops think they are not sharing this information?
 
2013-05-16 09:58:59 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: No, not really. Especially if you are working to make sure that it can be entered in at his coming trial.

Law, you can't farking explain that?!


Another common reason to hide details from the public is that celebrity cases like these always bring out a number of crazies who stop by the police station to make false confessions. You can weed them out by asking them questions that only the police and the actual perpetrator would know, but to do that, you have to make sure such questions exist.
 
2013-05-16 09:59:26 AM
By the rules of Benghazi, this means there was a total cover up and someone should be impeached.
 
2013-05-16 09:59:43 AM
Obviously this is because the people were getting too close to the truth, that the Bilderbergers were behind the bombings.
 
2013-05-16 09:59:54 AM

sdd2000: This just in-- The police often find that holding back some of the information during an investigation, weeds out false confessions and/or allows them to get more information from suspects.


THERE WAS NO FARKING "INVESTIGATION"  One suspect was dead the other in custody and there was no question they had the right guys.   Were they lookig to see who else might have been involved? sure but holding back that confession does exactly ZERO on that front.  Tsarnaev wasn't even conscious at that point, it wasn't like they were going to grill him in interview room 4 or something. And if anything knowing he confessed puts MORE pressure on his co-conspirators to spill their guts, not less.
 
2013-05-16 10:00:05 AM

Magorn: CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?

Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.


I'm sure they took pictures.  No one is obligated to tell reporters anything.  The reporters are supposed to do the legwork themselves.
 
2013-05-16 10:00:31 AM
The boat that had hundreds of bullet holes in it where the cops shot it all up because they said he had a gun and was involved in a 30-minute gun battle with them, then it turned out he had no gun? Yeah, I remember that boat.
 
2013-05-16 10:01:18 AM
This is from the same Keystone cops who had a shoot out with themselves?
 
2013-05-16 10:02:25 AM
"sort of think"?

You've got another think coming, subs.
 
2013-05-16 10:02:32 AM

you'd think that's the sort of think


OH NOES, DOUBLETHINK!!
 
2013-05-16 10:02:58 AM

sdd2000: This just in-- The police often find that holding back some of the information during an investigation, weeds out false confessions and/or allows them to get more information from suspects.


This also just in: police find out that planting evidence can often work against them when a case comes to trial. (see O.J. Simpson)
 
2013-05-16 10:03:09 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is from the same Keystone cops who had a shoot out with themselves?


Who shot the security guy?
 
2013-05-16 10:03:36 AM
Seems to me the people jumping up and down yelling "I'm a lawyer" or "I'm a Marine" really aren't.

"I'm a female" is dubious too.
 
2013-05-16 10:04:13 AM

Walker: The boat that had hundreds of bullet holes in it where the cops shot it all up because they said he had a gun and was involved in a 30-minute gun battle with them, then it turned out he had no gun? Yeah, I remember that boat.


Wait, I thought he shot himself.  Was that... before he got in the boat?
 
2013-05-16 10:04:23 AM

airsupport: Because when I'm shot and bleeding, and running from infidels, the first thing I'm going to do is write down a full account of my actions.  Because that's the most important thing to do at that moment.


Very reassuring that your head does not work like this animal's.

A word to the wise, don't waste a whole lot of energy trying to figure out how the crazy psychopath thinks.
You might get it.
 
2013-05-16 10:04:43 AM

PooperMcSlides: Subby demands a complete list of all evidence in all open criminal investigations as it is his business. Who do these cops think they are not sharing this information?


.  What is the the Caption of a criminal case again?  Oh Yeah "The PEOPLE of the state of X vs. Defendant Y"  and what was that other thing? In that obscure document called the Constitution there is this kinda footnore thing called the sixth Amendment   which has some mumbo-jumbo about "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial "

So yeah, it IS my business, and yours, but you are apparently a bit more casual about your basic civil rights
 
2013-05-16 10:04:46 AM
This is all false.  CNN reported that he was found in an empty railroad boxcar.

I call BS on this.
 
2013-05-16 10:05:06 AM

R.A.Danny: I'm a female


How you doin'?
 
2013-05-16 10:05:49 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is from the same Keystone cops who had a shoot out with themselves?


Well they needed a good excuse to kill the copkiller.
 
2013-05-16 10:05:59 AM

James!: R.A.Danny: I'm a female

How you doin'?


My panties are moist.
 
2013-05-16 10:06:24 AM

Magorn: PooperMcSlides: Subby demands a complete list of all evidence in all open criminal investigations as it is his business. Who do these cops think they are not sharing this information?

.  What is the the Caption of a criminal case again?  Oh Yeah "The PEOPLE of the state of X vs. Defendant Y"  and what was that other thing? In that obscure document called the Constitution there is this kinda footnore thing called the sixth Amendment   which has some mumbo-jumbo about "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial "

So yeah, it IS my business, and yours, but you are apparently a bit more casual about your basic civil rights


Did the trial begin as soon as the police caught him or should the press be involved in suspect hunts as well?
 
2013-05-16 10:06:39 AM

Magorn: sdd2000: This just in-- The police often find that holding back some of the information during an investigation, weeds out false confessions and/or allows them to get more information from suspects.

THERE WAS NO FARKING "INVESTIGATION"  One suspect was dead the other in custody and there was no question they had the right guys.   Were they lookig to see who else might have been involved? sure but holding back that confession does exactly ZERO on that front.  Tsarnaev wasn't even conscious at that point, it wasn't like they were going to grill him in interview room 4 or something. And if anything knowing he confessed puts MORE pressure on his co-conspirators to spill their guts, not less.


And now the real profiteering begins.
We just might make this country the most profitable terrorist territory in the world.
This "investigation" will cost us $Ms.
 
2013-05-16 10:07:08 AM

serial_crusher: Walker: The boat that had hundreds of bullet holes in it where the cops shot it all up because they said he had a gun and was involved in a 30-minute gun battle with them, then it turned out he had no gun? Yeah, I remember that boat.

Wait, I thought he shot himself.  Was that... before he got in the boat?


Yes, he shot himself in the head, got in the boat, had a 30-minute gun battle with police with a gun he never had, then wrote a note. Book it, done.
 
2013-05-16 10:07:54 AM

James!: Magorn: CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?

Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.

I'm sure they took pictures.  No one is obligated to tell reporters anything.  The reporters are supposed to do the legwork themselves.


actually there is this quaint notion that police, and the government in general are servants of the people and actually do have, and often statutory duty to keep the people informed of their actions.   Effective democracy requires unfettered access to information on the conduct of government operations.   That's why the FOIA law and it its state progeny exist
 
2013-05-16 10:09:04 AM

snocone: airsupport: Because when I'm shot and bleeding, and running from infidels, the first thing I'm going to do is write down a full account of my actions.  Because that's the most important thing to do at that moment.

Very reassuring that your head does not work like this animal's.

A word to the wise, don't waste a whole lot of energy trying to figure out how the crazy psychopath thinks.
You might get it.


Because proof of a mental disorder has been made public? Right?

Then shut your farking cakehole

/innocent until proven guilty
 
2013-05-16 10:10:13 AM
When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims, the note added.

When you run over one Muslim and drag him a few yards, you run over all muslims. So bad news for you, Dzhokar.
 
2013-05-16 10:10:30 AM

Magorn: James!: Magorn: CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?

Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.

I'm sure they took pictures.  No one is obligated to tell reporters anything.  The reporters are supposed to do the legwork themselves.

actually there is this quaint notion that police, and the government in general are servants of the people and actually do have, and often statutory duty to keep the people informed of their actions.   Effective democracy requires unfettered access to information on the conduct of government operations.   That's why the FOIA law and it its state progeny exist


The internet has spoiled people.  You demand to know everything as soon as anyone else knows it.  The police aren't there to keep you informed they're job is to investigate crimes.
 
2013-05-16 10:10:44 AM
As if anyone with sense would fall for this.
 
2013-05-16 10:13:03 AM

WhippingBoy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is from the same Keystone cops who had a shoot out with themselves?

Who shot the security guy?


Considering the accuracy of the shot, not Boston PD.
 
2013-05-16 10:13:31 AM

Deep Contact: There was a red bandanna in the boat.


Wasn't that white before all the shooting?
 
2013-05-16 10:15:26 AM

Magorn: James!: Magorn: CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?

Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.

I'm sure they took pictures.  No one is obligated to tell reporters anything.  The reporters are supposed to do the legwork themselves.

actually there is this quaint notion that police, and the government in general are servants of the people and actually do have, and often statutory duty to keep the people informed of their actions.   Effective democracy requires unfettered access to information on the conduct of government operations.   That's why the FOIA law and it its state progeny exist


7/10. You had people going there for a second but then you blew it right before you crossed the finish line. Good luck next time chap!

(Just kidding, what really did you in was your wikipedia-level understanding of the law. Even a Cooley grad would do better than you.)
 
2013-05-16 10:16:08 AM

Magorn: Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work


How about criminal defense for a terrorist... or have you not noticed this whole thing America has about terrorists for the past decade.
 
2013-05-16 10:17:14 AM

NutWrench: (see O.J. Simpson)


I can't avoid him.
He's STILL all over the Tee Vee.
 
2013-05-16 10:20:13 AM
He probably wrote this right after he killed that MIT police officer.
 
2013-05-16 10:20:56 AM
Hey Magorn, have you also done a defense case that involved the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security and the cooperation of agencies in other countries? No? Okay then.
 
2013-05-16 10:22:21 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is from the same Keystone cops who had a shoot out with themselves?


Are these the same 'Keystone cops' who are conspiracy masterminds with 100% perfect secrecy? I am confused.
 
2013-05-16 10:23:12 AM

Magorn: CapeFearCadaver: Why Subs? Or do you not know how criminal cases work; especially ones of a terroristic nature?

Well as a lawyer who's done criminal defense work, I see exactly ZERO reason to withhold that detail from the public.   If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.  had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.

Too many people have become WAY too accepting of reflexive secrecy by the authorities.  They just assume it's okay to withhold information from the public even when that secrecy does absolutely nothing to advance law enforcement's aims.


I knew this was coming here on Fark. The salivating Pavlovian reaction amongst Fark libbies/proggies to attack ebil amurikkka and lovingly fellate whoever is its enemy is just too strong to be long denied,

So now it begins..... this thread is the first little toe feeling the water temperature.
 
2013-05-16 10:24:32 AM

Magorn: If anything it HURTS the admissibility of the writing since the boat wasn't completely secured from the moment of capture until now.  Thus the "Chain of Custody" for the evidence is now in doubt.


Say what, now?  How do you know, Counselor, that the boat was not secured?  (Not having RTFA)   But how does this revelation, in and of itself, taint the chain of custody?

Magorn: had they brought reporters in to see it immediately after they captured him the case for it authenticity wouldn;t be in doubt.


Are you shiatting us?  How the hell does that authenticate a goddam thing?  If anything, it casts fabricated evidence doubt: "lookee what we got us heyah!"  Take pictures, bag it and tag it.  Don't put on a dog and pony show.

Seriously, you make me wonder if you've provided competent counsel, and I'm just an IP guy, not a litigator (although I've been in courtrooms more often than I would prefer).
 
2013-05-16 10:27:33 AM
This is Tsarneav's Benghazi.
 
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