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(Slate)   Finally, someone speaks truth to America's "craft beer" makers: YOU ARE OVERHOPPING YOUR BEER, DUMBASSES   (slate.com) divider line 642
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2013-05-16 09:20:32 AM  
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2013-05-16 09:23:21 AM  
As a general rule of thumb, if the beer's name contains the word "hop," any variation of the word "hop," or any sort of deliberate rhyme, pun, or other word play that builds off the word "hop," I will not buy it.
 
2013-05-16 09:27:04 AM  
I attribute the over-hopping to market demand. As people discover new styles outside the American Light Lager, they over-compensate and go hop-mad.
 
2013-05-16 09:29:24 AM  
There is such a thing as too much hops
 
2013-05-16 09:30:23 AM  
I stay away from IPA's for this reason.
 
2013-05-16 09:32:03 AM  
I think it's a mood thing for me.  I have never liked "Hop-Bombs" but occasionally I like something with a little hop kick to it.  I've always preferred malty to hoppy.  It's all about balance.
 
2013-05-16 09:35:16 AM  
The first brewery I took him to was Hopworks Urban Brewery

I think I may have detected your problem....

Drink what you like.  I love IPAs, double IPAs, and other hoppy varieties.  It's my favorite branch of the craft/import beer market.  I have a beer drinking buddy who can enjoy like one or two hoppy beers, but then he's done with them.  Some of his favorite things are heavy stouts and porters.  I like those, but I only usually want one or two before I feel like I'm going to slip into a coma.

Drink what you like.  If you don't like hoppy beer, there are plenty of other options still out there.

/shiat now I want beer
 
2013-05-16 09:35:54 AM  
Put me in this category. I like my beers light and crisp, and live near Portland, OR. I would much rather a Peroni, Singha, or even a Bud rather than one of the local hoppy microbrews.

What I don't get is that breweries and brewpubs, even the ones that make Sessions, will have 15 beers, ALL of which are full of hops. You'd think that there would be at least one crisp lager, since judging by the sales volume of Bud, Miller, et al, I can't be the only one that likes beer that way.
 
2013-05-16 09:44:51 AM  

mr_a: What I don't get is that breweries and brewpubs, even the ones that make Sessions, will have 15 beers, ALL of which are full of hops.


It's easy to make a good hoppy beer. The hops are easy to control, and their flavor masks problems with fermentation (which is not so easy to control).
 
2013-05-16 09:52:00 AM  

James!: I stay away from IPA's for this reason.


Yep. The local nut brown ales and lagers here are pretty much excellent. But I'm not really a fan of any IPA's.
 
2013-05-16 09:54:53 AM  
One of the local beer bars has a strange obsession with banana flavors that I'd like them to move past.
 
2013-05-16 09:58:19 AM  

Pocket Ninja: As a general rule of thumb, if the beer's name contains the word "hop," any variation of the word "hop," or any sort of deliberate rhyme, pun, or other word play that builds off the word "hop," I will not buy it.


So no "Hopocalypse? for you? Or "Hopageddon"?

/both are actual names of beers.
 
2013-05-16 10:00:35 AM  
I like Dale's Pale Ale. I can't drink 6 or 7 of them in one sitting (well, I CAN) but its best not to.
 
2013-05-16 10:01:22 AM  

James!: One of the local beer bars has a strange obsession with banana flavors that I'd like them to move past.


The production of isoamyl acetate during fermentatiom is usually a sign of "doing it wrong" -- or they can just own it and claim their beer was supppsed to taste like shiat.
 
2013-05-16 10:02:42 AM  
I will say, though, that the evils of excessively hopped beers aside, the absolute worst beer I think I've ever tried (in the US, anyway) was one I sampled at a bonfire just a few weekends ago. Somebody had brought a bottle of Rogue "Voodoo Doughnut" Bacon Maple Ale. I've liked a lot of Rogue beers in the past, and hey, bacon. So I figured, "how bad could it be?"

Answer: So bad. So very, very bad.
 
2013-05-16 10:03:57 AM  

Donnchadha: James!: One of the local beer bars has a strange obsession with banana flavors that I'd like them to move past.

The production of isoamyl acetate during fermentatiom is usually a sign of "doing it wrong" -- or they can just own it and claim their beer was supppsed to taste like shiat.


They don't brew their beer.  The seek out banana flavors, they pay people to bring it to them.
 
2013-05-16 10:04:40 AM  
What was that? More hops?

Oh, OK.

EXTREME!!!!!
 
2013-05-16 10:05:45 AM  
My favorite beer lately has got to be Anti Hero Ale ...
 
2013-05-16 10:06:53 AM  
There are some good happy beers out there, but the brews that are all just a one note hop flavor with no contrasting malt just don't float my boat. I love a good IPA, but my favorites are those that maintain balance. Dogfish 90 Minute is probably my favorite. Truthfully though, I'm a big porter/stout (a good smoked porter can change your life) fan but they're too heavy to drink during the summer.
 
2013-05-16 10:07:11 AM  
Against Hoppy Beer - The craft beer industry's love affair with hops is alienating people who don't like bitter brews.


Then quit drinking them, you pansy-tongued pussies.


/ sorry, pet peeve
// where's my bells two hearted ale?
 
2013-05-16 10:07:35 AM  

mr_a: Put me in this category. I like my beers light and crisp, and live near Portland, OR. I would much rather a Peroni, Singha, or even a Bud rather than one of the local hoppy microbrews.

What I don't get is that breweries and brewpubs, even the ones that make Sessions, will have 15 beers, ALL of which are full of hops. You'd think that there would be at least one crisp lager, since judging by the sales volume of Bud, Miller, et al, I can't be the only one that likes beer that way.


What... no Hamms?

/kinda like Hamms.
 
2013-05-16 10:07:58 AM  

vernonFL: I like Dale's Pale Ale. I can't drink 6 or 7 of them in one sitting (well, I CAN) but its best not to.


I have yet to try anything from Oskar Blues that I didn't like.
 
2013-05-16 10:08:04 AM  
I can agree with this, so much to the point that I'm starting to get burned out on hoppy beers and find myself seeking darks again.

Drink the occasional hoppy beer?  That's fine.  One or two beers with extra hoppy bitterness?  Of course.  Every goddamn brew with 80 variations of hops?  Come on.
 
2013-05-16 10:09:21 AM  
My In-Laws are in love with that Pliny the Elder stuff.
 
2013-05-16 10:09:33 AM  
News flash! Someone expresses their opinion on the Internet! More at 11...
 
2013-05-16 10:09:38 AM  
There IS kind of an IPA arms race.

I think the hop frenzy is kind of a reaction to decades of sorta bland pilsners.  And I'm glad to hear the criticism of American beers being "too much flavor" for once.

Now where is that crazy-ass Baby Jesus porter?
 
2013-05-16 10:09:52 AM  
Craft beer went down hill when they started having "beer tastings".  Nothing ruins a good thing like yuppies and pompous middle-aged couples making a production out of sitting down and drinking a beer.
 
2013-05-16 10:09:55 AM  
Sounds like a a lot of folks need to go back to Coors and all those other crap beers and leave the Big Boy Beers to the rest of us...

Stop being pussies. Either drink it or don't. If it wasn't good, they wouldn't be selling any of it!!
 
2013-05-16 10:10:04 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I will say, though, that the evils of excessively hopped beers aside, the absolute worst beer I think I've ever tried (in the US, anyway) was one I sampled at a bonfire just a few weekends ago. Somebody had brought a bottle of Rogue "Voodoo Doughnut" Bacon Maple Ale. I've liked a lot of Rogue beers in the past, and hey, bacon. So I figured, "how bad could it be?"

Answer: So bad. So very, very bad.


I've had smoked cheese beer before. I don't think it could get much worse.
 
2013-05-16 10:10:25 AM  
Hops are the chili peppers of beer.
 
2013-05-16 10:10:47 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I will say, though, that the evils of excessively hopped beers aside, the absolute worst beer I think I've ever tried (in the US, anyway) was one I sampled at a bonfire just a few weekends ago. Somebody had brought a bottle of Rogue "Voodoo Doughnut" Bacon Maple Ale. I've liked a lot of Rogue beers in the past, and hey, bacon. So I figured, "how bad could it be?"

Answer: So bad. So very, very bad.


I tried it out of curiosity for the same reason, and I agree.. vile stuff.
 
2013-05-16 10:11:17 AM  
Hops::beer as cowbell::badmusic
 
2013-05-16 10:11:22 AM  
I like hops, but I have a pretty clear limit.  Like the author, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale (and Anchor Steam, although that's not hoppy) are what converted me to good beers and the taste of hops.  But the hops race is becoming a bit absurd.  For me, Dogfish 60 minute is really hoppy but drinkable.  90 minute is over the line, and the 120 is just stupid (and really not very good)

If you want to ramp up the hops great, but it's not the only thing.  Balance works too.
 
2013-05-16 10:11:24 AM  
IPAs are best consumed with spicy foods or during hotter weather.  They just don't taste the same if it's 50 out.

Tried this for the first time a while ago and it's a great balance between a plain ale and an IPA.

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2013-05-16 10:11:24 AM  
FTFA: "Beer is made by boiling grain to turn its starches into sugar, which is later converted to alcohol by yeast."

This couldn't be more wrong, so I stopped reading. Bear is made by malting (germinated grain that is then dried), which is then mashed, and finally fermented by yeast. The yeast digests the starch and alcohol is a byproduct of this (fermentation).
 
2013-05-16 10:11:43 AM  
My favorite craft brewmaster's main claim to fame: He brews to style. His PNW IPAs will remove the enamel from you teeth, but there's just a suggestion of hop aroma in his stouts.

And by the way, mr author, hoppiness is not measured in IBUs (International BITTERING Units). Hop aroma and flavor come from the oils, not the alpha acids.
 
2013-05-16 10:11:50 AM  
Loves me some hoppy beer.  Can't drink more than one or 2 of them - but I do loves me some hoppy beer.  Always have.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:03 AM  
Big fan of Elysian's Loser ale and Alaskan Amber.

Mac and Jack's African Amber is also wonderful. As is Redhook's ESB.

Rogue has a lot that I like, but I can't name just one. I like whatever is in front of me when I'm at the Issaquah Brewhouse.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:03 AM  
This is similar to what happened to hot sauces and salsas. If you can't taste the nuanced layers of flavor, then just make it overpowering. You don't have to decide whether it's good or not, it's overpowering so it's got to be good.

Plus you can take your high ABV and shove it up your micro-asses. If I want to get shiat-faced, I'll do so on gin martinis or Pimm's No. 1 Cup. I drink a good ale for its taste and it's ability to enhance the flavors of my food.

I don't understand how a nation that can take over the home-brew and micro-brew momentum, carry it to giddy heights of excellence, can then turn around and spew out oceans of shiatty, over-priced, over-hopped piss. And congratulate itself for doing so.

But hey if you like hoppy beers, more power to you. Just don't try to convince me that a glass of grass is refreshing. I'll drink my traditional bitter.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:08 AM  
AMEN!
 
2013-05-16 10:12:24 AM  

fireclown: There IS kind of an IPA arms race.

I think the hop frenzy is kind of a reaction to decades of sorta bland pilsners.  And I'm glad to hear the criticism of American beers being "too much flavor" for once.

Now where is that crazy-ass Baby Jesus porter?


Flavor is such a generic word that covers all manner of ills.  Is it really flavor when you make your beer more bitter than Star Wars fans talking about Jar Jar Binks?
 
2013-05-16 10:12:27 AM  
I'm a fan of IPAs, but English Style Bitters are my go-to for just this reason. Most days I don't particularly want to be punched in the face with hops.

Goose Island's Honker's Ale and Ska Brewing's Special ESB are the best I've found.
 
2013-05-16 10:12:36 AM  
The only beer that matters, and it ain't too hoppy.

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2013-05-16 10:12:48 AM  
If my understanding is correct, humans handle bitterness the same way we handle spiciness: we adapt, and rather quickly.  People who love spicy food need to constantly increase the spiciness to actually "feel" any of the burn, since their tongues/brains adapt quickly.  If the same thing applies to bitterness, then fans of bitter beer would naturally find themselves buying hoppier and hoppier beer, like an addict who has to snort more and more coke to get the same high.

Basically, American craft brewers & craft beer fans are on a path of no return, unable to enjoy a balanced beer because, to them, it tastes bland?
 
2013-05-16 10:12:56 AM  
Hops have their place in IPAs and some American pale ales.  I just don't like when they try to overhop a traditionally non-hoppy style.  I thought Hoptoberfest from New Belgium was pretty bleh and I like a lot of their beers.
 
2013-05-16 10:13:02 AM  
Bahl hornin.
 
2013-05-16 10:13:06 AM  
I asked a couple folks in the know about why this is, turns out that getting consistent barley is very hard. They compensate for inconsistencies in the barley by using hops as cover. There's a lot of compromises that have to be made to make a beer consistent batch after batch unless you're large enough to have an army of very specially trained people scouring the world buying ingredients for you.
 
2013-05-16 10:13:16 AM  

genepool lifeboat: vernonFL: I like Dale's Pale Ale. I can't drink 6 or 7 of them in one sitting (well, I CAN) but its best not to.

I have yet to try anything from Oskar Blues that I didn't like.


I live 1.8 miles from Oskar Blues Brewery and me and my OD inspired hangover are laughing at this post!!
 
2013-05-16 10:13:51 AM  

Pocket Ninja: As a general rule of thumb, if the beer's name contains the word "hop," any variation of the word "hop," or any sort of deliberate rhyme, pun, or other word play that builds off the word "hop," I will not buy it.


Any beer with a name that combines "hops" with "Frankenstein" I generally only drink on dares and with a chaser.
 
2013-05-16 10:14:04 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I will say, though, that the evils of excessively hopped beers aside, the absolute worst beer I think I've ever tried (in the US, anyway) was one I sampled at a bonfire just a few weekends ago. Somebody had brought a bottle of Rogue "Voodoo Doughnut" Bacon Maple Ale. I've liked a lot of Rogue beers in the past, and hey, bacon. So I figured, "how bad could it be?"

Answer: So bad. So very, very bad.


It's terrrrrible tasting stuff. A real shame.
 
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