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2013-05-16 08:30:37 AM
I think we should just give them more time to work this out.
 
2013-05-16 08:30:44 AM
That is the way that the State of Israel and East Germany do things....
 
2013-05-16 08:32:12 AM
The only way to keep these people under control is with an iron fist. Assad knows that. Assad's dad did too, and he demonstrated this when he razed the town of Hama.

The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.
 
2013-05-16 08:32:30 AM
Looks like for them, tonight will be a Blockbuster and long pork night.
 
2013-05-16 08:32:52 AM
There are several U.S. states this solution might be required for as well :P
 
2013-05-16 08:34:19 AM
And let me guess.... the USA will pay for it and it will be up in 3 months.

Mexican border fence still languishes.
 
2013-05-16 08:36:08 AM
Sure, now that we've destabilized the country in an effort to take over...
 
2013-05-16 08:36:53 AM
If it wasn't obvious before, it is pretty clear now that the best option available in Syria the Middle East is to just build a giant wall around the country region and seal the douchebaggery inside permanently
 
2013-05-16 08:39:36 AM

Eskurido: If it wasn't obvious before, it is pretty clear now that the best option available in Syria the Middle East is to just build a giant wall around the country region and seal the douchebaggery inside permanently


But with tiny holes so we can get Saudi oil and Israeli CPUs.
 
2013-05-16 08:40:39 AM
Well, if the U. S. wasn't buying up all the humane execution drugs, maybe this wouldn't have happened!
 
2013-05-16 08:40:58 AM

Eskurido: If it wasn't obvious before, it is pretty clear now that the best option available in Syria the Middle East is to just build a giant wall around the country region and seal the douchebaggery inside outside permanently

.
 
2013-05-16 08:41:02 AM
"The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?
 
2013-05-16 08:47:19 AM

Franko: "The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?


Well ummm, errrr, ahhh...  we don't have sharia courts?
 
2013-05-16 08:51:19 AM

rwfan: Franko: "The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?

Well ummm, errrr, ahhh...  we don't have sharia courts?


Did you miss the thread about Missouri the other day? A whole lot of Farkers want Sharia law here in America.

Missouri passes a law preventing that from ever happening, and all kinds of abuse gets cast upon the state.
 
2013-05-16 08:55:36 AM
I've been advocating the use of the "Springfield Dome" for a while now, but nobody will listen...........................
 
2013-05-16 08:59:15 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


I misread that first bit as "the Midwest".  Having been born and raised in Ohio, I agreed completely.
 
2013-05-16 09:00:07 AM

over_and_done: AverageAmericanGuy: The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.

I misread that first bit as "the Midwest".  Having been born and raised in Ohio, I agreed completely.


Mideast, Midwest, it's religious zealots all the way down.
 
2013-05-16 09:02:33 AM

George Babbitt: That is the way that the State of Israel and East Germany do things....


they'll figure out a solution, finally.
 
2013-05-16 09:04:04 AM
Just let them continue killing the shiat out of each other and ignore it.  Doesn't matter what we do or say about it things aren't going to change.
 
2013-05-16 09:06:42 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: rwfan: Franko: "The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?

Well ummm, errrr, ahhh...  we don't have sharia courts?

Did you miss the thread about Missouri the other day? A whole lot of Farkers want Sharia law here in America.

Missouri passes a law preventing that from ever happening, and all kinds of abuse gets cast upon the state.


You see, in America we have this thing called the First Amendment that already establishes that Sharia law (or any law that gives religious preference) is not constitutional.

So whomever wrote the bill was (a) ignorant (b) wildly islamophobic or (c) both.
 
2013-05-16 09:08:19 AM
You mis-spelled Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Israel/Libya/Somalia/North Joreaaaahfarkit
 
2013-05-16 09:16:30 AM
The more and more this goes on the more it is apparent that this is NOT a group of freedom fighters valiantly resisting a ruthless dictator so much as it is one group of assholes fighting another group of assholes.
 
2013-05-16 09:21:22 AM

bonobo73: AverageAmericanGuy: rwfan: Franko: "The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?

Well ummm, errrr, ahhh...  we don't have sharia courts?

Did you miss the thread about Missouri the other day? A whole lot of Farkers want Sharia law here in America.

Missouri passes a law preventing that from ever happening, and all kinds of abuse gets cast upon the state.

You see, in America we have this thing called the First Amendment that already establishes that Sharia law (or any law that gives religious preference) is not constitutional.

So whomever wrote the bill was (a) ignorant (b) wildly islamophobic or (c) both.


Yeah but it is ignored in Michigan. They have two towns where Sharia is the law and you can be put to death for violating it.

/had a truck driver tell me that a while back
 
2013-05-16 09:22:09 AM

bonobo73: AverageAmericanGuy: rwfan: Franko: "The sharia court for the eastern region in Deir al-Zor has sentenced to death these apostate soldiers that committed massacres against our brothers and families in Syria,"

How is this different from capital punishment in the U.S.?

Well ummm, errrr, ahhh...  we don't have sharia courts?

Did you miss the thread about Missouri the other day? A whole lot of Farkers want Sharia law here in America.

Missouri passes a law preventing that from ever happening, and all kinds of abuse gets cast upon the state.

You see, in America we have this thing called the First Amendment that already establishes that Sharia law (or any law that gives religious preference) is not constitutional.

So whomever wrote the bill was (a) ignorant (b) wildly islamophobic or (c) both.


Federal != State law.
 
2013-05-16 09:26:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The only way to keep these people under control is with an iron fist. Assad knows that. Assad's dad did too, and he demonstrated this when he razed the town of Hama.

The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


I wouldn't say that. I'd say that Mesopotamia lacks clear natural boundaries, and as such, slicing it up into half a dozen states doesn't really make any kind of sense. The "natural" political state of Mesopotamia and the Phoenician Coast is to be politically unified under a single, central government, and generally that's what the people of the region want too if polls are to be trusted on the matter. The problem is, during the waning days of the Ottoman empire, Euros came in and created a bunch of colonial admins, which then became the core of power for a class of elites motivated by made up national identities and nationalist policies, and then they made a bunch of contradictory promises to a bunch of people, which generally left a gigantic clusterfark where political consensus used to be after WWI; a clusterfark which has never really been resolved, only adapted to. Because the wants of the political elites are in direct opposition to geography and the desires of their populations(and because the political elites have all, from the beginning, benefited from military support and extractive economic arrangements with the Euro powers), dictatorial governments have resulted.

There are a few ways it could be organized peaceably. A "Pan-Arabia" including Egypt, Turkey, and Iran isn't really feasible for cultural reasons, but something similar excluding them might work. A series of "greater" peripheral states (Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Arabia) could take in their historical zones-of-influence in Mesopotamia (Egypt the Med Coast and associated Mountains, Turkey the Kurdish areas, Arabia the Sunni-bits of the Persian Gulf coast, Iran the Shia ones), and establish a regional free-trade, water management treaty org. A third way would be a "Greater Syria" along the lines of the old Damascus-based Caliphates. This solution would leave Egypt, Turkey, Iran, and the Arabian peninsula more or less as they are, but add to it a politically united Mesopotamia ruled from one of its two "natural" bases of political power; the Syrian highlands or the Tigris-Euphrates river basin.

As should be obvious, Israel throws a rather significant wrench in all of these solutions, which is one major reason why the last 70 or so years have seen nothing but conflict in the region. It isn't even really about ideology and religion; at a purely geo-political level, a culturally alienated and integration-resistant polity like Israel will inherently spoil any chance for political and social unity in the region.
 
2013-05-16 09:28:00 AM

Red_Fox: Just let them continue killing the shiat out of each other and ignore it.  Doesn't matter what we do or say about it things aren't going to change.


/I totally agree.  Not our fight, we have no business giving either of them anything.  Let them wallow in their snackbar shouting derpage  as they light each other up. More parking spots for me, less cavemen on the planet. (not that i would actually go or park there, just saying)
 
2013-05-16 09:32:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Mideast America needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


I couldn't agree more. It's about damn time England showed some responsibility and cleaned up the mess of their former colonies. The colonies display a shocking pride in a truly barbaric culture that lives in near-constant fear, gripped to their televisions and high-powered weapons while their children keep getting killed at movie theaters and schools. It's time we forced them to join the rest of us in a modern civilization.
 
2013-05-16 09:41:49 AM

Eskurido: If it wasn't obvious before, it is pretty clear now that the best option available in Syria the Middle East is to just build a giant wall around the country region and seal the douchebaggery inside permanently


Hey! That was MY plan!
 
2013-05-16 09:43:38 AM
That's not Hillary's Plan.
 
2013-05-16 09:43:48 AM
Then, send in David Belle and Cyril Raffaelli with a nuclear warhead...

actionfest.com
 
2013-05-16 09:48:29 AM
Kurt Russel would approve of this plan.
 
2013-05-16 09:49:13 AM
Maybe we should just seal them in glass.  If only there were a way to convert sand to glass on a large scale.
 
2013-05-16 09:50:46 AM

abfalter: The more and more this goes on the more it is apparent that this is NOT a group of freedom fighters valiantly resisting a ruthless dictator so much as it is one group of assholes fighting another group of assholes.


Yep, most of the decent people who want to live their lives peacefully got out of Syria months ago.  Not that there aren't still some decent people left, but the violence just acted as a magnet to draw all the biggest assholes and worst human beings from the region into the country, where they now outnumber/overpower the people who just wanted a little bit more freedom from Assad's regime.

Makes you wonder what things would be like if Assad hadn't reacted so violently to the originally peaceful protests.  He pushed the people past their breaking point of what they would tolerate, and now over 2 years later the country is basically one giant meat grinder, with no possible good outcome.  Even if one side somehow manages a clear "victory" in the field of battle, the hard feelings from this whole debacle are going to linger for decades, if not centuries.

The US is going to be cast in a negative light no matter what.  People around the globe see us as being able to accomplish anything, control anything, overthrow any other government...which might be true in a technical way, but realistically we can't do it everywhere forever, so we need to choose our battles wisely.  People think we have the power to stop the fighting there, but how do they expect that to happen?  With more violence?  With more guns?  With more bombs?

shiatty situation for Syria, and there is no end in sight.  I'd like to think it will just end up killing assholes on both sides, reducing the concentration of douchebaggery in teh region, but unfortunately I don't think that is how it works in the long term.  This is more like a burning fire that will get hotter and spread before it finally dies down leaving nothing but a pile of ashes behind.
 
2013-05-16 10:02:04 AM
After the wall is built, it's time to stick in the hose and fill it up.
 
2013-05-16 10:08:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The only way to keep these people under control is with an iron fist. Assad knows that. Assad's dad did too, and he demonstrated this when he razed the town of Hama.

The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


Sadly I suspect that is way to close to the truth.  Hence the clinging to guns and religion, it creates a firm set of rules and dire consequences of not following them.  That type of structure brings comfort to many people and is formed over and over, ie Mafia, and even the US political and economic structure is slipping back into that type of structure.  I'd wish I was wise enough to know the answer and bring peace and prosperity to the world but I'm just as afraid of that answer.  Either it would not be achievable because of the other idiots who think they are already saving us from ourselves, OR it would mean some people need to be treated like waste.

At least I'm smart enough to know I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'll take smug satisfaction in that fact and consider myself ahead of everyone else.
 
2013-05-16 10:15:42 AM

vudukungfu: George Babbitt: That is the way that the State of Israel and East Germany do things....

they'll figure out a solution, finally.


I see it.
 
2013-05-16 10:43:57 AM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-05-16 10:50:07 AM
And the common denominator throught the region is........

HINT: it involves a certain Death Cult
 
2013-05-16 10:56:16 AM
Saddam was a strongman who ran a secular regime, kept the fundies in line, and kept  the terrorists out of Iraq. The US destroyed his regime. Ditto for Gaddafi, and the US destroyed him too. Now the US, through barely covert means and proxies is involved in the same thing in Syria.  All three were secular regimes.  The result of our intervention in every case has produced disaster, chaos, immense suffering, and opened the door to the Al Qaeda types and other terrorists. Once, maybe an unexpected byproduct. Twice, a coincidence Three times--it's intentional, and you have to ask yourself--why?.
 
2013-05-16 11:05:03 AM

belhade: Then, send in David Belle and Cyril Raffaelli with a nuclear warhead...

[actionfest.com image 560x250]


I doubted someoen would be abel to get me to laugh in thie thread.

Well done.

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Yep, most of the decent people with money who want to live their lives peacefully got out of Syria months ago.


FTFY.

I don't think you can say all rebels are bad because of this.  there are probably a lot of peopel fighting that aren't liek this.  Of course you still have the problem of knwoing who is who.
 
2013-05-16 11:06:33 AM

qualtrough: Saddam was a strongman who ran a secular regime, kept the fundies in line, and kept  the terrorists out of Iraq. The US destroyed his regime. Ditto for Gaddafi, and the US destroyed him too. Now the US, through barely covert means and proxies is involved in the same thing in Syria.  All three were secular regimes.  The result of our intervention in every case has produced disaster, chaos, immense suffering, and opened the door to the Al Qaeda types and other terrorists. Once, maybe an unexpected byproduct. Twice, a coincidence Three times--it's intentional, and you have to ask yourself--why?.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Secur in g_the_Realm

Unified states in that region that do not acquiesce to the West are not in the West's best interest.


Of course that is just one interpretation.  Things are mighty complicated, who really knows.
 
2013-05-16 12:37:38 PM
Quick note: This group, the Nusra Front, a/k/a Jabhat al-Nusra, or the al-Nusra Front, is one of the militant Islamist groups that has come into Syria from outside to wage holy war against Assad. Generally speaking, the northeastern part of Syria is under rebel control, but I'm not sure if it was these outside Islamist groups who did it or the secular Free Syrian Army before these groups started arriving. Anyway, the Syrian National Council has essentially no control over civil matters in rebel-held areas, since they've never actually made it into the country. The secular military forces under the army defectors like Riad al-Asaad and Salim Idris have now begun bringing in Islamist forces to bolster their ranks - about two thirds of the military commanders in the FSA are Muslim Brotherhood members, although so far, they've kept al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham from getting mixed up with the FSA.

So, to boil it down, you've got hardcore Islamist groups moving into areas that the rebels hold by military power who are now setting up civil government. This has been happening since, oh, at least March. So, since nobody's been able to push them out or make them relinquish power, they're able to do whatever they want. They give it the color of law with stuff like trials and judges, but yeah, they're going to shoot Assad supporters in the head. And there aren't really enough secular forces left in the country who are either willing or able to stop this. Some are still to busy fighting Assad, some have left the country, and some just don't care, because they appreciate the support from outside.
 
2013-05-16 12:54:51 PM

qualtrough: Saddam was a strongman who ran a secular regime, kept the fundies in line, and kept  the terrorists out of Iraq. The US destroyed his regime. Ditto for Gaddafi, and the US destroyed him too. Now the US, through barely covert means and proxies is involved in the same thing in Syria.  All three were secular regimes.  The result of our intervention in every case has produced disaster, chaos, immense suffering, and opened the door to the Al Qaeda types and other terrorists. Once, maybe an unexpected byproduct. Twice, a coincidence Three times--it's intentional, and you have to ask yourself--why?.


Iraq was a full scale military invasion, complete with armored columns, close air support, and military bases, followed by eight years of occupation, counter-terrorism, and "nation building". Libya was a modicum of air superiority missions and Tomahawk missile launches for a couple weeks at the end of March, 2011, followed by a diplomatic mission. Syria has been absolutely hands-off, with no United States military presence in the region, whatsoever.

I don't think you can say that this "disaster, chaos, and immense suffering" is a result of US intervention (well, besides Iraq - that was obviously our fault) since it's been going on all over the region, whether we stomp in like a bull in a china shop or tip toe around the edges making loud noises without daring to poke a finger over the line. What about Egypt? Or Yemen? Or Tunisia? ANY time there's a large amount of political turmoil, you're going to open the door to other groups looking to exploit it. Revolutions are bloody things - the best thing for us to do is keep any (more) of it from getting splashed on us.
 
2013-05-16 01:29:54 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The only way to keep these people under control is with an iron fist. Assad knows that. Assad's dad did too, and he demonstrated this when he razed the town of Hama.

The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


Scary. 7/10
 
2013-05-16 02:25:42 PM
That's the best solution for most things.
We'd have Central and South America, Africa, parts of Southern Europe, and the majority of Asia already gated off.
Although, we'd have trouble filling NBA teams
 
2013-05-16 02:29:38 PM
cdn2.gamefront.com

Gonna be tough to keep it frozen in that heat.
 
2013-05-16 06:12:38 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The only way to keep these people under control is with an iron fist. Assad knows that. Assad's dad did too, and he demonstrated this when he razed the town of Hama.

The Mideast needs ruthless strongmen. The people and culture there are violent and without a strong leader to keep the boiling passions under control the area would be a massive battleground of unceasing sectarian violence.


You make that sound like a bad thing...
 
2013-05-16 07:22:44 PM
We're still saving Iraq from Saddam and Afghanis from poppies or something.Call back later.
 
2013-05-16 07:32:46 PM
I the soldiers were Islamic, feeling they were fighting for a just cause, and the militants feel they same way, and they kill each other, do they both go to paradise?

/Inquiring minds want to know.
 
2013-05-16 09:52:59 PM
Brockian Ultra-Cricket Super Stadium?
 
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