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2013-05-15 11:30:18 PM  
But don't worry folks - those nice folks managing your money for you will ensure your 401K is in tip top shape by then.  Trust me!
 
2013-05-15 11:38:58 PM  
Don't you get Medicare when you hit 65?  Maybe I'm fuzzy on how it works, but I was under the impression that it covered most healthcare costs with reasonable copays.
 
2013-05-15 11:47:47 PM  
Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.
 
2013-05-15 11:54:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.


No, instead we have Alex Jones, a real 'murican patriot.
 
2013-05-15 11:58:01 PM  
Scoping as in endoscope?
 
2013-05-16 01:00:40 AM  
All those Gadsden flags can be fashioned into a kicky burial shroud!
 
2013-05-16 01:01:07 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.


Sorry America, but coverage like that makes Supply-Side Baby Jesus cry. It isn't worth the risk.

/living in a civilized country..good luck guys!
 
2013-05-16 01:04:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Don't you get Medicare when you hit 65?  Maybe I'm fuzzy on how it works, but I was under the impression that it covered most healthcare costs with reasonable copays.


This is true.  I'm guessing the bulk of this number is end-of-life expenses, where you enter the hospital on foot, but leave in a bag.  Even a two or three day stay in a hospital can easily exceed a hundred large.  But who gives a shiat?  You're dead.  And, besides, you get to screw your heirs out of a sizable portion of your estate when the bill comes due - what's more Boomer than that?
 
2013-05-16 01:07:38 AM  
Planning to retire?

Hahahahaha! That'll be dead before I get there.
 
2013-05-16 01:08:04 AM  
My grandad is 100 and still a lawyer.  His mom lived to 102, and my dad is 70 and just got back from kayaking in the Everglades.  I'm gonna need about $600k as long as we live....


Or spend the cash shortening my life via hookers and blow.
 
2013-05-16 01:10:17 AM  
I wonder how much that is in Loonies?
 
2013-05-16 01:11:06 AM  
Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.
 
2013-05-16 01:15:32 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Planning to retire?

Hahahahaha! That'll be dead before I get there.


This. There is only working, and then death.
 
2013-05-16 01:15:57 AM  
It costs 220k for maybe 40k in appropriately valued service. Gotta love those $60 paper cups billed as a medical delivery device.
/undisclosed chargemasters make baby Ganesh cry
 
2013-05-16 01:17:14 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.


Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?
 
2013-05-16 01:24:08 AM  

emersonbiggins: TuteTibiImperes: Don't you get Medicare when you hit 65?  Maybe I'm fuzzy on how it works, but I was under the impression that it covered most healthcare costs with reasonable copays.

This is true.  I'm guessing the bulk of this number is end-of-life expenses, where you enter the hospital on foot, but leave in a bag.  Even a two or three day stay in a hospital can easily exceed a hundred large.  But who gives a shiat?  You're dead.  And, besides, you get to screw your heirs out of a sizable portion of your estate when the bill comes due - what's more Boomer than that?


I've never looked into it, I just assumed that Medicare paid for everything once you were eligible, but apparently if you exhaust all of the benefits you could be on the hook for $45K in copayments if you stay in the hospital for six months, and the full uninsured costs after that.

Gah, that's a bit scary.  I've been saying we need Medicare for all paid out of general tax dollars, but apparently even Medicare can add up in costs.

How does it work in Canada, the UK, and other places with fully socialized medicine?  Are there any out of pocket expenses for necessary or life saving medical care?
 
2013-05-16 01:24:26 AM  
The taxes you pay are tribute to your king. Expecting something like healthcare coverage for them is socialism.
 
2013-05-16 01:24:57 AM  

Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?


1/10
 
2013-05-16 01:25:20 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.


Unfortunately most of us live in America where we are forced to get health care yet nothing is done to control costs. Which would be just crazy to think its because healthcare and big pharma donated a shiat ton of money to the Dems......

Insert price controls like other nations have and 90% of the problems with healthcare goes away.
 
2013-05-16 01:26:28 AM  

Z1P2: Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half....


We said "civilized" countries. We don't have "Obamacare" (designed by your Republicans).
Our biggest worry is which pocket our government ID card is in. Showing that is the last thing we need to think about when it comes to payment.
 
2013-05-16 01:28:42 AM  

doglover: Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?

1/10


Yeah, that's not a troll, if you have health care insurance you are paying more for deductibles now, ours went from nothing to $1000. PT used to be covered but now we have huge such huge deductibles that its cheaper just to get surgery instead, its insane.
 
2013-05-16 01:32:47 AM  

Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?


Lying liar.
 
2013-05-16 01:42:25 AM  

PunGent: Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.


This.
 
2013-05-16 01:44:11 AM  
Just for fun I decided to see what health insurance plans are going for online.  The only ones that are even remotely affordable are abbreviated as 'POS' plans. I'm hoping that whoever is responsible for that acronym realizes the humor in it given the obscenely high deductibles that come with them.
 
2013-05-16 01:48:50 AM  
I got a plan. I'm gonna turn my on-off switch to 'off'.
 
2013-05-16 02:03:03 AM  
My daughter bumped her head in Waikiki and required 6 stitches. She saw 3 different doctors and they billed our insurance company almost $7000 for it. In Canada it would have cost about 5% of that amount if you had no medical coverage.
Something is rotten in the system, from my limited perspective.
 
2013-05-16 02:23:09 AM  

steamingpile: doglover: Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?

1/10

Yeah, that's not a troll, if you have health care insurance you are paying more for deductibles now, ours went from nothing to $1000. PT used to be covered but now we have huge such huge deductibles that its cheaper just to get surgery instead, its insane.


2013
having health insurance

Lulz, you a funny man.
 
2013-05-16 02:32:03 AM  
Planning to retire? Don't forget to grab an extra $220,000 [≈ cost of raising a child to 17 (middle-income family)] for medical expenses while you're scoping out tee times

Really?
 
2013-05-16 03:00:45 AM  

steamingpile: doglover: Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?

1/10

Yeah, that's not a troll, if you have health care insurance you are paying more for deductibles now, ours went from nothing to $1000. PT used to be covered but now we have huge such huge deductibles that its cheaper just to get surgery instead, its insane.


Unless you're planning to be the world's oldest person, a deductible going from $0 to $1000 will take a long time to cost you $220,000.  $1000 is not a huge deductible.  Anyone who opts for (free, I assume?) surgery over paying the darned deductible and getting PT is either completely broke or lacks reasoning skills.  Surgery is risky.  PT is good for you and much more likely to restore you to optimal health.  Obviously, I qualify that by saying that this only applies when PT is a valid option to surgery.
 
2013-05-16 03:02:24 AM  
No, I'm not planning to retire. I plan to work until I die, if I live that long. Wait, what? I suppose if I become unable to work, I'll still be able to figure out how to tie a knot or take some pills.
 
2013-05-16 03:22:20 AM  

Mr.Man: Something is rotten in the system, from my limited  sentient human, non-farktard perspective.

 
2013-05-16 03:23:41 AM  

PunGent: Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.


It's not even the money (although it can be big).  Most people do not want to spend the last month or two being "treated" for what is an incurable condition. Fark Aunt Minnie.  The dying person's dignity trumps her rights to a memory.

An 86-yo former neighbor of mine died last year.  For the first 80 years of his life, he enjoyed the most robust health.  At 70, he still ran miles a day (and had a few beers at the end).  At 75, he could still swim for an hour. At 83, he'd given all that up and appeared grumpy. The last nine months of his life were terrible. Dementia and incontinence => assisted living => they will not care for you if you need medical attention => frequent ambulance rides and overnight stays in hospitals who didn't want him and his assisted care facility wouldn't take him back (needed medical attention) = stays at new places that would, found in a panic by his widow, who used their last savings to pay for these places.  He had bed sores, rotting ulcers, didn't know where he was or what was going on, but the insanity continued until his last visit to the ER, when a kind doctor said to the wife, I can do a lot of things that will prolong your husband's life but probably nothing that will get him more than two weeks more.  He's in pain and confused by all these transfers.  Would you consider hospice?

Would she ever.  She'd only needed someone to tell her that it was okay.
 
2013-05-16 05:39:17 AM  

0Icky0: Z1P2: Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half....

.... We don't have "Obamacare" (designed by your Republicans).

Holy shiat, you're farking delusional.

 
2013-05-16 06:02:08 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: emersonbiggins: TuteTibiImperes: Don't you get Medicare when you hit 65?  Maybe I'm fuzzy on how it works, but I was under the impression that it covered most healthcare costs with reasonable copays.

This is true.  I'm guessing the bulk of this number is end-of-life expenses, where you enter the hospital on foot, but leave in a bag.  Even a two or three day stay in a hospital can easily exceed a hundred large.  But who gives a shiat?  You're dead.  And, besides, you get to screw your heirs out of a sizable portion of your estate when the bill comes due - what's more Boomer than that?

I've never looked into it, I just assumed that Medicare paid for everything once you were eligible, but apparently if you exhaust all of the benefits you could be on the hook for $45K in copayments if you stay in the hospital for six months, and the full uninsured costs after that.

Gah, that's a bit scary.  I've been saying we need Medicare for all paid out of general tax dollars, but apparently even Medicare can add up in costs.

How does it work in Canada, the UK, and other places with fully socialized medicine?  Are there any out of pocket expenses for necessary or life saving medical care?


In Ontario, prescription drugs are not covered and there are limitations. e.g OHIP doesn't cover Chiropractic treatments (they did but then almost 20 years ago they realized it's quak medicine and stopped (we realized shortly after but I will get to that)). They are also dropping the coverage of annual checkups since it's known (since 1972 to be specific) that annual checkups can be more detrimental then beneficial.
Essentially socialized medicine works on a big scale but it can suck to be you if you are the small percentile that falls between the cracks.

For us, my wife woke up on a Sunday morning and had double vision, we called an ambulance and spent the next 12 hours in the ER (about 20 minutes waiting to see a doctor) with a number of doctors and 2 specialists. They were at first afraid it may be MS fortunately they didn't tell us until they had ruled it out with a CAT scan. By the end they figured it out. Wife had a chiro adjustment 2 days before and he had manipulated her neck. When he did that it had thrown everything out of whack. That Sunday it had sprung back (which it does) but this time it had cut the blood supply to a portion of her brain which caused her left eye to track slower than her right. They wanted an MRI done (oh the horrors as we all know the horrible waiting times in Ontario for MRIs) to make sure things were ok. It took two weeks to get it done.

After all was said and done, the total for the bill was $40 for the ambulance. I have no idea how much (>10k at least)  it would have cost if we lived in the states but at that point I was unemployed after my contract got canceled and we would have been seriously screwed if that had been the case. Everything would probably have been done in one day though instead of over 2 weeks.

The horror stories you hear about 6 months for an MRI is for nonlifethreatening i.e. screwed up knee which would suck but makes sense.
 
2013-05-16 06:05:01 AM  
I love what I do for a living and will probably work until I drop dead. My dad just retired and all he does is sit around, goes on the occasional cruise. He'll probably be dead soon of boredom. People who live their entire life looking forward to retirement are already dead.
 
2013-05-16 06:12:27 AM  

Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?


Obamacare doesn't kick in until next year and of course it covers diabetes medication.

1/10
 
2013-05-16 06:25:12 AM  
Growing old is bad for your health. News at 11.
 
2013-05-16 06:42:57 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: PunGent: Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.

It's not even the money (although it can be big).  Most people do not want to spend the last month or two being "treated" for what is an incurable condition. Fark Aunt Minnie.  The dying person's dignity trumps her rights to a memory.

An 86-yo former neighbor of mine died last year.  For the first 80 years of his life, he enjoyed the most robust health.  At 70, he still ran miles a day (and had a few beers at the end).  At 75, he could still swim for an hour. At 83, he'd given all that up and appeared grumpy. The last nine months of his life were terrible. Dementia and incontinence => assisted living => they will not care for you if you need medical attention => frequent ambulance rides and overnight stays in hospitals who didn't want him and his assisted care facility wouldn't take him back (needed medical attention) = stays at new places that would, found in a panic by his widow, who used their last savings to pay for these places.  He had bed sores, rotting ulcers, didn't know where he was or what was going on, but the insanity continued until his last visit to the ER, when a kind doctor said to the wife, I can do a lot of things that will prolong your husband's life but probably nothing that will get him more than two weeks more.  He's in pain and confused by all these transfers.  Would you consider hospice?

Would she ever.  She'd only neede ...


I've generally heard nothing but good things about hospice care.

/I'm sure there are bad ones...they probably don't a get a lot of repeat business...
 
2013-05-16 06:43:55 AM  

PunGent: Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.


I know it makes me an asshole, but I remember I was particularly annoyed when I heard my elderly grandmother received a $400,000 heart surgery on uncle sam's dime... which only extended her life by like 2 or 3 years.  I'm not in any position to decide the value of life... but come the fark on, almost a half million dollars on someone who's retired?  Who probably paid no where near that in taxes ever over her entire life?

At some point, we need to be more farking realistic.  Not to mention no surgery should ever cost that kind of money.
 
2013-05-16 06:46:26 AM  
Here you go:
Get old, get sick.
If you have assets, you must pay before Medicare kicks in.
Then you fire up the debt machine while you die.
After you die, there's a lien on your estate for the debt.
Just in case you had something silly like life insurance or etc.

The system is designed to bleed us dry at the end and that's what it does.
That's Ahmerikuh for you and me.
 
2013-05-16 06:48:01 AM  
B-b-but Barrycare
 
2013-05-16 06:49:03 AM  

Alonjar: I know it makes me an asshole, but I remember I was particularly annoyed when I heard my elderly grandmother received a $400,000 heart surgery on uncle sam's dime... which only extended her life by like 2 or 3 years.  I'm not in any position to decide the value of life... but come the fark on, almost a half million dollars on someone who's retired?  Who probably paid no where near that in taxes ever over her entire life?

At some point, we need to be more farking realistic.  Not to mention no surgery should ever cost that kind of money.


I agree. Bullets are cheap: You best not get sick or someone might decide you're not worth the cost of keeping you alive.

/I hope that happens to you, I really, really do.
//I hope your sociopathy is returned by the society you enable, I really, really do.
///Have a nice day. Don't get sick.
 
2013-05-16 07:09:18 AM  
I think my "Alaska Cruise" will consist of picking out an ice flo.
 
2013-05-16 07:53:43 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: Z1P2: Benevolent Misanthrope: Unless, of course, you live in a civilized country where everyone has insurance.

Ha! Thanks to obamacare my deductable went up 600% and the annual cap on most services (like speech therapy for my autistic son) has been cut in half, oh yeah and they no longer cover diabetes medication because who the hell needs to control their diabetes, right? I mean my wife does but you couldn't give two shots about any of us, isn't that right?

Obamacare doesn't kick in until next year and of course it covers diabetes medication.

1/10.

proof? I work in DME and just about everything is being examined by our government insurances right now. I am not saying you're wrong, just want some proof. Someone somewhere will be denied their medication, I can just about guarantee it.
 
2013-05-16 08:00:11 AM  

Kristoph57: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Planning to retire?

Hahahahaha! That'll be dead before I get there.

This. There is only working, and then death.


There is no fifth quadrant.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-16 08:44:45 AM  
BIRTH

SCHOOL

WORK

DEATH
 
2013-05-16 09:36:03 AM  

Alonjar: I know it makes me an asshole, but I remember I was particularly annoyed when I heard my elderly grandmother received a $400,000 heart surgery on uncle sam's dime... which only extended her life by like 2 or 3 years. I'm not in any position to decide the value of life... but come the fark on, almost a half million dollars on someone who's retired? Who probably paid no where near that in taxes ever over her entire life?

At some point, we need to be more farking realistic. Not to mention no surgery should ever cost that kind of money.


On the bright(?) side, those days are over. They charge 6 bucks a pill for acetaminophen now. No codeine in it either.
 
2013-05-16 09:37:25 AM  

stirfrybry: .... We don't have "Obamacare" (designed by your Republicans).

Holy shiat, you're farking delusional.


So, you're saying that The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, and Mitt Romney are Democrats?
 
2013-05-16 09:42:41 AM  
But....but....Obummer promised that our universal health care system would not cost me one thin dime!
He PROMISED!

Oh...he's a lying sack of crap?   Got it.
 
2013-05-16 10:05:22 AM  

Alonjar: PunGent: Eh, regardless of where you stand on Obama care, a big chunk of that $220,000 is probably near-useless medical effort expended in the last two months of life.

What's interesting is that most doctors insist on doing everything for their elderly or terminal patients, sometimes even despite a patient's written instructions, and yet, when it comes to THEIR end of life, the average doc prefers to go out peacefully (and cheaply) on his own terms.

Tell your family you don't want to spend $100,000, and your last month as a vegetable in an ICU, just so Aunt Minnie can fly in to pay her respects at your bedside.

I know it makes me an asshole, but I remember I was particularly annoyed when I heard my elderly grandmother received a $400,000 heart surgery on uncle sam's dime... which only extended her life by like 2 or 3 years.  I'm not in any position to decide the value of life... but come the fark on, almost a half million dollars on someone who's retired?  Who probably paid no where near that in taxes ever over her entire life?

At some point, we need to be more farking realistic.  Not to mention no surgery should ever cost that kind of money.


I agree...but the flip side can be (and I REALLY hate to agree with Republicans on this one) something pretty close to death panels.  Good buddy of mine lost an aunt up in Canada a few years back; she had at least a good five years in her, and all she needed was a hip replacement...they wouldn't even let family in the hospital room, and basically let her die rather than sign off on the operation.

Yeah, he's a little bitter about it.

And of course the example is countered by busloads of Americans heading north to buy the meds they need to live...

I guess my point is, there's no such thing as a perfect system.
 
2013-05-16 10:10:53 AM  

computerguyUT: But....but....Obummer promised that our universal health care system would not cost me one thin dime!
He PROMISED!


CITATION NEEDED

You sound like one of those "keep your government hands off my Medicare" morons.

The problem with federalized healthcare is the system is so big, you have to spend money to save money; just changing the paperwork costs millions.  And dragging unwilling people into the system DOES make counter-intuitive sense (risk pooling is what every insurance company on the planet does, and, oddly, conservatives have no problem with it...), but you've got every special interest group under the sun distorting the system for their own benefit.

I'm not really a fan of mandated healthcare, since I got stuck with Romney's version here in Mass, but at least Obama is TRYING to solve the situation; we had years of Republicans (and prior Dems) just kicking the can down the road.  Look how well THAT worked out.
 
2013-05-16 10:15:28 AM  

PunGent: I guess my point is, there's no such thing as a perfect system.


That really shouldn't stop us from trying to make one. No, I'm not insinuating anything by that either, nor pointing out that you might be pushing another hidden agenda.

/Now I know how the Elcor feel.
 
2013-05-16 11:44:26 AM  

Mr.Man: My daughter bumped her head in Waikiki and required 6 stitches. She saw 3 different doctors and they billed our insurance company almost $7000 for it. In Canada it would have cost about 5% of that amount if you had no medical coverage.
Something is rotten in the system, from my limited perspective.


I fell into a fire pit and hit my head on the brick rim pretty damn hard back in March.  I went to the hospital  just to be safe.  The intake guy took my temperature, took my blood pressure, entered my basic information into the computer(took about a minute), put two wristbands on me, and then walked me back to an examination room.  The hospital charged me $950 for that.  The whole thing took less than five minutes, required minimal effort and special expertise on the intake fellows part, and required the use of two pieces of equipment(blood pressure machine and fancy thermometer) that must've been paid for in full by the second time they were used considering how much they charged.

THEN, in the examination room, a physician came in, asked me a few questions, quickly looked at the back of my head, shined the light in my eyes, tapped my knees with that funny little hammer they have, looked in my ears with the ear-looker-inner, did that resistance test thing where they see if they can push your hands downward, and then gave me a frickin' handout about head injuries.  Said I seemed fine.  Told me to read the packet and if I exhibit any of the symptoms in it to come back.  She couldn't even be bothered to tell me the symptoms herself.  The whole farce of an exam took maybe five minutes, if I'm being generous.  The physician belonged to an independent company, and they in turn charged me $850 for the exam.


Yeah, I know.  Cool story, bro.  tl;dr version- they charge way too god damn much.  I'd cringe to think how much I would have been charged if they had given me some tylenol.


I guess that makes me the idiot for going to the hospital instead of one of the shiatty minor emergency places in one of the rundown strip malls near here.
 
2013-05-16 12:40:17 PM  
Yeah, I know.  Cool story, bro.  tl;dr version- they charge way too god damn much.  I'd cringe to think how much I would have been charged if they had given me some tylenol.

I guess that makes me the idiot for going to the hospital instead of one of the shiatty ...


You should have stayed home and asked your questions on some website, and just pay your health care insurance premium every month like you're supposed to. Didn't you know? You're not supposed to actually be able to afford to use any of the benefits you're paying for. Silly goose.

Me? 25% of gross income for premium. 70/30 PPO. Copays. $5000 out of pocket maximum. Well, not really. Because I'm "out of state" every dime of the difference between the contractors retail rate and the insurance company's allowable rate is my responsibility. That means about 65% of any contractors retail rate is what my bill is. Hospital? Ha! Guaranteed bankruptcy.

Mangled up my fingers on one hand, Five nice big, deep cuts on 3 out of four fingers. No emergency room for me. I had to clip some fat out of the pad of one of my fingers to allow me to tape that cut closed. Got everything closed up and not leaking. Ordered some tropical fish antibiotics off the internet and ran a course of that. Got some cool scars.

Conservatively, 15 stitches. God knows what it would have cost me, but I know it would have been outrageous. I could not afford to go and get the help I needed. So, this is an example of how someone can have insurance and not be able to use it. If I was an insurance executive I would be giddy with hand wringing greed knowing that his company is able to cash a big check every month and likely not have to write any, because they've taken the absolute maximum out of some sap. Great business model. Especially if you have a corporate run government backing it up.

PPACA, Obamacare?  I'm sure there will be some way for me to fall through some crack in that government program too.

Kill the rich. Eat the dead.
 
2013-05-16 04:23:52 PM  
Or just accept your mortality and die graciously when it's your turn.
 
2013-05-16 07:26:18 PM  
Nothing  wrong with our health care system
 
2013-05-16 11:56:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Don't you get Medicare when you hit 65?  Maybe I'm fuzzy on how it works, but I was under the impression that it covered most healthcare costs with reasonable copays.


no, it doesnt, you are still liable for 20% of your expensies, and part B is not free (monthly premium) which covers ER and outpatient visits, part A you get at 65 usually but it only covers inpatient stays at hospitals so you are pretty much screwed if all you have is A.

so if all you go for is the part A you arent covered in the case of a visit to the ER or say if you are scheduled for a colonoscopy or any other unpleasant procedure, you won't be covered for it.

say if you have A&B and you are seen in a local ER your average bill (around $1k-$2k cheapest ive seen is $440 but that did not involve radiology or any chemistry/hematology) doctors fees being usually $300-$500, x-ray (portable) $250, chemistry and hematology $30-$300 depending on tests run, CT $1.5k-$5k
not to mention if you are admitted the costs (already rediculous) start becoming moreso

so yeah say if you get a $1,500 ER bill you are still going to owe 20% at least $300 is coming out of your pocket, which is the same with most insurances as long as you have met your deductibles if applicable.

so anyway, also medicare doesnt cover nursing home stays found that out when I had to put my mom in so I could go to college.

Source.....well I am that guy that the hospital pays to take your money :(   but they call me a financial counselor.
 
2013-05-17 12:09:10 AM  
I've found that this one question trips GOPers up quite easily.  It goes like this:  Why did we decide it was ok for a private company - whose sole point of existence is to maximize profit and minimize expense - to be the determining factor in our continual need for healthcare services?
 
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