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2013-05-15 09:25:46 PM
I really wish I could just pay like $5/mo for espn, mlb and nfl networks and drop cable tv but the mlb/nfl apps on xbox live black out my local games because of this stupid crap
 
2013-05-15 10:21:07 PM

tuffsnake: I really wish I could just pay like $5/mo for espn, mlb and nfl networks and drop cable tv but the mlb/nfl apps on xbox live black out my local games because of this stupid crap


Can't you use a VPN to get around it?
 
2013-05-15 10:25:50 PM
I got MLB through comcast this year and should have gotten it online.
Next year, I won't get the MLB package on cable for the first time in a LOOOONG time.

I feel like the NFL will never be open to cable.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:56 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Can't you use a VPN to get around it?


I suppose I could use some form of proxy but that's a pain in the ass to be honest and really in the end I don't want to try and break any rules or get something for free I just want to be able to get the MLB network at their going rate and be able to watch my home team's games without having to get a cable tv package that has 00 channels I never watch
 
2013-05-16 12:03:26 AM

From Philly to Boston: I got MLB through comcast this year and should have gotten it online.
Next year, I won't get the MLB package on cable for the first time in a LOOOONG time.

I feel like the NFL will never be open to cable.


It won't be as long as DTV keeps shelling out money like mad to the NFL.
 
2013-05-16 12:37:25 AM
I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.
 
2013-05-16 12:42:33 AM

TinyFist: I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.


You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?
 
2013-05-16 12:44:37 AM
bluorangefyre:
You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?

Just missed it. But if the Bucs play the Jags, I'm pretty sure I'm double blacked out.
 
2013-05-16 01:03:20 AM
"a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.
 
2013-05-16 01:38:42 AM

Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.


And the 30+ Jesus channels.
 
2013-05-16 03:45:07 AM

bluorangefyre: TinyFist: I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.

You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?


I believe the Bucs have had 4 games in the last 3 years not blacked out.  Before that it basically didn't happen.  As for the Jags, they don't have games blacked out, for basically 2 reasons.  First, they tarp over a lot of seats, so they don't have to sell nearly as many tickets to make the % required.  2nd, the team buys the tickets it needs to make the cap.
 
2013-05-16 04:24:44 AM
Leave it to Mccain to go after the real problems in out nation, Not that other politicians are any better, but I am tired of govt wasting time and money on sports while so many other things are going to shiat, be it steroids or boxing judges or who knows what

Lived in Jacksonville, every jaguars game was blacked out till then tarped the top and subsidised ticket sales to get around it, maybe I would feel different if I experienced this in a market with a team worth watching but that is why they make ale houses
 
2013-05-16 06:01:55 AM

Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.


WillofJ2: Leave it to Mccain to go after the real problems in out nation, Not that other politicians are any better, but I am tired of govt wasting time and money on sports while so many other things are going to shiat, be it steroids or boxing judges or who knows what


535 legilsators in Washington, and you don't think they should be able to multitask?

/Hell, I'd rather they worry about sports than go after the president for "scandals" that they didn't even bat an eyelash at when it was one of theirs.
 
2013-05-16 06:20:06 AM
TBH, this seems like a hopeless endeavor but it offends me less than spending my tax dollars on a steroid investigation.
 
2013-05-16 06:55:39 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.

And the 30+ Jesus channels.


Jebus F Chrysler! I pray for the day when that happens.
 
2013-05-16 07:26:46 AM

IlGreven: Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.

WillofJ2: Leave it to Mccain to go after the real problems in out nation, Not that other politicians are any better, but I am tired of govt wasting time and money on sports while so many other things are going to shiat, be it steroids or boxing judges or who knows what

535 legilsators in Washington, and you don't think they should be able to multitask?

/Hell, I'd rather they worry about sports than go after the president for "scandals" that they didn't even bat an eyelash at when it was one of theirs.


There's this little thing called THE FARKING SPORTS BROADCASTING ACT OF 1961.  Jesus, I hear people all the time biatching about government "wasting time" getting involved with sports leagues that wouldn't be half as successful as they are without that same government's anti-trust exemptions.
 
2013-05-16 07:29:45 AM

WillofJ2: I am tired of govt wasting time and money on sports


Well, this is a case of trying to recoup some of that money. "Wait, local governments gave you millions of dollars to build a stadium... but you blackout games because you can't fill seats? That doesn't farking fly."

Also, little tip for cities: you don't need to give sports teams any money, for anything. Contrary to popular belief, they do basically nothing for the local economy, and may actually be a drain (they don't employ very many people, they drag people into the city and consume infrastructure, but those people rarely put money back into the local economy while attending the game, etc.).

Stop doing this.

//I'm looking at you, Pittsburgh.
 
2013-05-16 07:37:26 AM
If you're going to argue that the public should be able to watch football games that take place in publicly funded stadiums, then why shouldn't they be able to watch concerts, monster truck rallies, and other events that take place in the same venue? In other words, dumb argument is dumb.
 
2013-05-16 07:43:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: If you're going to argue that the public should be able to watch football games that take place in publicly funded stadiums, then why shouldn't they be able to watch concerts, monster truck rallies, and other events that take place in the same venue? In other words, dumb argument is dumb.


Because in most places, these stadiums are owned by municipalities and operated for the benefit of major franchise teams. The owner of the venue should have the bargaining power to set whatever criteria they want for the use of the venue- and if cities want to include a "No Blackout" clause, they should be able to. Currently, they simply do not have the bargaining power to make that so.
 
2013-05-16 07:50:23 AM

tuffsnake: I really wish I could just pay like $5/mo for espn, mlb and nfl networks and drop cable tv but the mlb/nfl apps on xbox live black out my local games because of this stupid crap


The problem is that if you could buy them a la carte, ESPN would be one of the most expensive channels you can buy.  A report was posted here a few months ago that said that 1 out of every 4 dollars you pay your cable company goes to pay ESPN.  Considering how bad their coverage and "news"  cycles are that's just ridiculous.
 
2013-05-16 07:56:22 AM

Slam Dunkz: The problem is that if you could buy them a la carte, ESPN would be one of the most expensive channels you can buy.


If the price were transparent to the customer, I think you'd see that drop. ESPN is  very valuable to a cable company, because if you can't provide sports, you're going to lose a lot of subscribers. But for any individual subscriber, how important is it to them that they can see every game, of every sport, ever played?
 
2013-05-16 08:09:52 AM

Slam Dunkz: tuffsnake: I really wish I could just pay like $5/mo for espn, mlb and nfl networks and drop cable tv but the mlb/nfl apps on xbox live black out my local games because of this stupid crap

The problem is that if you could buy them a la carte, ESPN would be one of the most expensive channels you can buy.  A report was posted here a few months ago that said that 1 out of every 4 dollars you pay your cable company goes to pay ESPN.  Considering how bad their coverage and "news"  cycles are that's just ridiculous.


That's fine.  Let the people who want ESPN pay for it.  I sure as hell don't want it.

IF they gave two shiats about hockey, I might consider watching it once and a while.
 
2013-05-16 08:27:12 AM
How much does it actually cost them to broadcast with a little redundancy? Honestly, when I lived in bumblefark pa if something was blacked out on MLB.tv I probably didn't actually have it.
 
2013-05-16 08:31:35 AM

bluorangefyre: You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?


Jaguars havent had a game blacked out in 3 years.
 
2013-05-16 08:49:18 AM

Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.


i hope so.  i wonder what the costs will be...i suspect that it will be more expensive to pick and choose the few channels you want, rather than pay the monthly cable rates.  that way mccain and his ilk will look like heroes for passing his a la carte bill,  yet continue to suck the dicks of corporate america.

/haven't had cable for years.  deep hatred for those cocksuckers.
 
2013-05-16 08:52:53 AM

Popcorn Johnny: If you're going to argue that the public should be able to watch football games that take place in publicly funded stadiums, then why shouldn't they be able to watch concerts, monster truck rallies, and other events that take place in the same venue? In other words, dumb argument is dumb.


Events that are held in a publicly funded venue that are available via OTA, cable or internet free or at a cost should be available for the same cost to "local" residents.
 
2013-05-16 09:15:45 AM
What about the NHL?

If it wasn't for Comcast/Flyers I would have ditched Comcast cable long ago.
 
2013-05-16 09:19:10 AM

stir22: Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.

i hope so.  i wonder what the costs will be...i suspect that it will be more expensive to pick and choose the few channels you want, rather than pay the monthly cable rates.  that way mccain and his ilk will look like heroes for passing his a la carte bill,  yet continue to suck the dicks of corporate america.

/haven't had cable for years.  deep hatred for those cocksuckers.


I still have "cable", but it's a municipal utility.  A good portion of my cable bill goes to the county-wide expansion of the fiberoptic network - which means someone who couldn't normally get anything but dial-up or HughesNet can pay the city $40 a month for 10/10Mbps service...or pay $150/month for 100/100.  And the gigabit service goes live in July.

And you guys seriously don't understand how awesome LOCAL tech support is.  If there's a technical issue, I call a building less than ten minutes from my house, and talk to a guy who lives and works in the same city I do, who is in the same building with the equipment, and (depending on how busy they are) can send someone out the same day.

This service is so awesome, Time-Warner bribed the state legislature to make it illegal.
 
2013-05-16 09:30:58 AM
Well, I sure hope is aim is better than lawsuits is better than it is with military hardware, otherwise he'll crash a half-dozen lawsuits before figuring out how to win one and sticking US with the tab for the lot of them in the meantime.
 
2013-05-16 09:55:47 AM

tuffsnake: I really wish I could just pay like $5/mo for espn, mlb and nfl networks and drop cable tv but the mlb/nfl apps on xbox live black out my local games because of this stupid crap


Your cable company wishes it could get those for you for only $5/month.
 
2013-05-16 10:04:56 AM

Popcorn Johnny: If you're going to argue that the public should be able to watch football games that take place in publicly funded stadiums, then why shouldn't they be able to watch concerts, monster truck rallies, and other events that take place in the same venue? In other words, dumb argument is dumb.


I'm going to argue that it's farked up to discriminate against the people actually providing the tax revenue to build the stadium when you broadcast events in that stadium.
 
2013-05-16 10:31:55 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.

And the 30+ Jesus channels.


Yeah, it annoys the hell out of me to have 30+ versions of Telemundo.
 
2013-05-16 10:33:06 AM
Here's what I don't get.  I'm a Yankees fan living in Texas (I know, I know).  My local provider offers YES (the Yankees network), and I have the sports package that includes YES.  But the Yankees games on YES are blacked out in Texas.  WTF? I'm not going to travel to the Yankees home games from DFW. Good thing I have At Bat 13 on my tablet and phone.  At least I can watch the games there.
 
2013-05-16 10:43:05 AM

MugzyBrown: What about the NHL?

If it wasn't for Comcast/Flyers I would have ditched Comcast cable long ago.


Worse for me bud. Grew up in Philly. Giant Flyers fan. Live in Jersey now. Neighborhood is Verizon only, Comcast won't lay down lines for their network. Flyers are Comcast only. I'm blacked out in a neighborhood where I can't *possibly* watch a game on the right network.

fark Comcast. (Sorry Mr. Snider :( )
 
2013-05-16 10:48:56 AM

bluorangefyre: TinyFist: I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.

You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?


You're uninformed about professional football, aren't you...
 
2013-05-16 10:57:30 AM

TonyDanza: bluorangefyre: TinyFist: I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.

You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?

I believe the Bucs have had 4 games in the last 3 years not blacked out.  Before that it basically didn't happen.  As for the Jags, they don't have games blacked out, for basically 2 reasons.  First, they tarp over a lot of seats, so they don't have to sell nearly as many tickets to make the % required.  2nd, the team buys the tickets it needs to make the cap.


They tarp over seats to bring the capacity down from 77k to 67k which isn't an unreasonable number for a stadium. It's not like they tarped it down to the levels of the Coliseum or Soldier Field.
 
2013-05-16 11:16:06 AM

IlGreven: Triumph: "a la carte" cable would kill MTV, which would be dandy.

WillofJ2: Leave it to Mccain to go after the real problems in out nation, Not that other politicians are any better, but I am tired of govt wasting time and money on sports while so many other things are going to shiat, be it steroids or boxing judges or who knows what

535 legilsators in Washington, and you don't think they should be able to multitask?

/Hell, I'd rather they worry about sports than go after the president for "scandals" that they didn't even bat an eyelash at when it was one of theirs.


I think they have proven on multiple occasions they can not multi task...personally I think they need to worry about more then sports and president scandals right now, but in todays govt its about grandstanding and headlines to keep their names up for re election
 
2013-05-16 11:44:27 AM
Can't you get the NFL Sunday ticket through Playstation Network?
 
2013-05-16 11:47:21 AM
I'd be more impressed if he introduced legislation saying that if taxpayers pay for a stadium, those taxpayer's get into the games for free.
 
2013-05-16 11:58:47 AM

99sportster: Here's what I don't get.  I'm a Yankees fan living in Texas (I know, I know).  My local provider offers YES (the Yankees network), and I have the sports package that includes YES.  But the Yankees games on YES are blacked out in Texas.  WTF? I'm not going to travel to the Yankees home games from DFW. Good thing I have At Bat 13 on my tablet and phone.  At least I can watch the games there.


They do not have all Yankee games as some are exclusively on my9. I don't think YES is allowed to show those period. My advice is to get the MLB.tv package (cheaper than any tv deal I've ever seen) and buy a cheap streaming device.
 
2013-05-16 12:21:21 PM

flsprtsgod: TonyDanza: bluorangefyre: TinyFist: I live 150 miles from where my favorite NFL team plays. Singed up for the NFL package through DirecTV to watch "All Games, Every Week." Second week they had a home game and it was blacked out. Apparently my "local provider" is within 75 miles, so all home games get blacked out.

Am I expected to drive 130 miles each way to attend a football game if it's not sold out? I don't think my team has sold out a game in 5 years. All it has accomplished is making me pay little to no attention to the NFL the last few years. Who wants to follow a team on a biweekly basis. It's just dumb.

You're a Jaguars fan, aren't you?

I believe the Bucs have had 4 games in the last 3 years not blacked out.  Before that it basically didn't happen.  As for the Jags, they don't have games blacked out, for basically 2 reasons.  First, they tarp over a lot of seats, so they don't have to sell nearly as many tickets to make the % required.  2nd, the team buys the tickets it needs to make the cap.

They tarp over seats to bring the capacity down from 77k to 67k which isn't an unreasonable number for a stadium. It's not like they tarped it down to the levels of the Coliseum or Soldier Field.


They also built more seats than a normal NFL stadium because it was built the Outdoor Cocktail Party and Gator Bowl as much as (if not more than) for the Jaguars.

/at regular NFL seating, Everbank is 20th; when you add in the extra seats, it jumps to 7th
 
2013-05-16 12:49:06 PM

Quigs: MugzyBrown: What about the NHL?

If it wasn't for Comcast/Flyers I would have ditched Comcast cable long ago.

Worse for me bud. Grew up in Philly. Giant Flyers fan. Live in Jersey now. Neighborhood is Verizon only, Comcast won't lay down lines for their network. Flyers are Comcast only. I'm blacked out in a neighborhood where I can't *possibly* watch a game on the right network.

fark Comcast. (Sorry Mr. Snider :( )


Are you talking about Fios or something else Verizon provides?  Because Verizon does have CSN on Fios.
 
2013-05-16 01:41:19 PM
It's McCain, it'll be shot down.
 
2013-05-16 02:37:44 PM

tagkc: I'd be more impressed if he introduced legislation saying that if taxpayers pay for a stadium, those taxpayer's get into the games for free.


That's the whole point.

I'm sick and tired of taxpayers giving hundreds of millions of dollars to billionaires so they can build their football palaces, then turn around and black the games out on TV so the taxpayers can't see them.
 
2013-05-16 02:51:24 PM

abhorrent1: It's McCain, it'll be shot down.


So let's blow up the idea now, so we don't waste time later?  That sounds like fore-stalling.

/all that for a terrible Forrestal pun, I'll see myself out
 
2013-05-16 02:55:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If you're going to argue that the public should be able to watch football games that take place in publicly funded stadiums, then why shouldn't they be able to watch concerts, monster truck rallies, and other events that take place in the same venue? In other words, dumb argument is dumb.


The Stadiums are built for the pro sports teams. Not the Peter Frampton reunion tours.

/Agree with McCain.
 
2013-05-16 03:10:53 PM
What about NBA games, Johnny?

Oh, that's right, the Suns no longer broadcast games. All Cable, all tiered.

Thanks, Johnny. You do good work. Now I'm going back to watching Fox broadcast two guys trying to squirt brain matter out of the other guy's head.
 
2013-05-16 03:16:41 PM

thecpt: 99sportster: Here's what I don't get.  I'm a Yankees fan living in Texas (I know, I know).  My local provider offers YES (the Yankees network), and I have the sports package that includes YES.  But the Yankees games on YES are blacked out in Texas.  WTF? I'm not going to travel to the Yankees home games from DFW. Good thing I have At Bat 13 on my tablet and phone.  At least I can watch the games there.

They do not have all Yankee games as some are exclusively on my9. I don't think YES is allowed to show those period. My advice is to get the MLB.tv package (cheaper than any tv deal I've ever seen) and buy a cheap streaming device.


Yeah, that's basically what "At Bat 13" is. It's an android app for MLB.TV.  I have it on my tablet and phone. It works.  :-)
 
2013-05-16 03:31:18 PM

WillofJ2: Lived in Jacksonville, every jaguars game was blacked out till then tarped the top and subsidised ticket sales to get around it, maybe I would feel different if I experienced this in a market with a team worth watching but that is why they make ale houses


They tarp the seats because otherwise, the capacity would be around 78,000.  Remember, that stadium was built for the FL-UGA game where they expand it to around 85,000 with bud zone bleacher seats.  Tarping off to 67,000 where it is now brings the attendance right in line with that other failed franchise that nobody supports called the Pittsburgh Steelers
 
2013-05-16 03:48:57 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: What about NBA games, Johnny?

Oh, that's right, the Suns no longer broadcast games. All Cable, all tiered.

Thanks, Johnny. You do good work. Now I'm going back to watching Fox broadcast two guys trying to squirt brain matter out of the other guy's head.


The NBA has a blackout rule associated with ticket sales?
 
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