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(Examiner)   Alright you armchair gun nuts, can you tell an assault rifle from an assault weapon?   (examiner.com) divider line 547
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2013-05-15 06:37:57 PM  
Right, "hoplophobia."

A made up condition invented and promoted by racists:

"And virtually all of the organizations that claim to speak for these 'oppressed people' are stridently anti-gun. Not coincidentally, among Jews, Blacks and women there are many 'professional victims' who have little sense of identity outside of their victimhood."

http://mm4a.org/131dJY4
 
2013-05-15 06:47:11 PM  
Question:  Is a rifle a weapon?

Answer: yes.

Then an assault rifle is an assault weapon.

Just like an assault carrot would be an assault vegetable.
 
2013-05-15 08:18:15 PM  
Who cares? They won. Let them revel in all the needless deaths. But hey, on the bright side they can defend us against tyranny, provided their hoveround has a good charge
 
2013-05-15 08:20:15 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think a revolver and a bolt action rifle were "semi-automatic"?
 
2013-05-15 08:43:24 PM  
The argument of automatic vs semi-automatic is just a red herring. Most true automatics are both cost-prohibitive and are tightly controlled by the ATF. In my state it's for all purposes illegal to own an automatic.

Now if you want to argue about banning assault weapons, let's discuss the pertinent points. Someone said this better than I can:


What makes these weapons so deadly? They are civilian copies of military weapons designed with features that make them more lethal.

The AR-15, for example, has a pistol grip, which helps a shooter pull the trigger more quickly and to better control the recoil, allowing him to fire more rapidly with more accuracy. It also enables shooting from the hip and spraying fire from side to side - something that would be deadly when firing into a crowd but useless in a self-defense situation.

When fired rapidly, a gun's barrel can quickly become too hot to handle. A barrel shroud, common on many of the models listed in the governor's bill, enables a shooter to hold the gun with a second hand without burning himself. A forward grip, which is somewhat less common, achieves the same purpose.

A folding, detachable or telescoping stock helps make an assault weapon easier to carry and conceal. That is frequently a factor in mass shooting situations.

A threaded barrel allows the easy attachment of a silencer or a flash suppressor. The latter prevents the shooter from being temporarily blinded by the muzzle flash, particularly in low-light conditions, enabling him to fire more quickly and accurately. It also helps conceal the position of the shooter, something that may well have been a factor in the D.C. snipers' ability to evade detection.

Some of the weapons on the list have the capability of mounting a grenade launcher. Although explosive grenades are heavily regulated, the launchers can accept other kinds of projectiles, including smoke grenades.

As delegates consider amendments that would limit Mr. O'Malley's proposal on assault weapons, they should ask themselves this question: If the features common to these firearms are merely cosmetic, why has the military adopted them? They are not for hunting or target shooting or for defending one's home from an intruder. They are for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, and there is no justification for having them in civilian life.
 And of course there are the magazines. Not too many handguns enable you to load 30 or 100 rounds in a single clip, and there is the recoil impact of firing a handgun. Very few if any standard shotguns or hunting rifles have that kind of capability.

So automatic vs semi-automatic? Bullsh*t.

I don't even think assault rifles are the biggest problems - maybe magazine size to a degree. Better would be universal background checks and improved mental healthcare in this country to improve outcomes.
 
2013-05-15 08:46:25 PM  
The M4A1 "assault rifle" is fully automatic: pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds until the trigger is released.

It is? Really? You know they only come in 3-round burst as military issue, right?

Does that make the military assault rifle not an "assault" rifle.

These semantics are bullshiat. Any weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, is smaller (length) than a hunting rifle and has a 20+ box of ammo stuffed into it is an "assault" weapon because it's made to assault/clear a room or storm a fixed position. That sh*t ain't home defense. You know it.
 
2013-05-15 08:52:00 PM  
Like porn, I'll know it when I see it.
 
2013-05-15 08:54:37 PM  
People in this thread who think the 2nd is about strictly home defense and/or hunting are hilarious.

It's not about guns - never was - it's about control.
 
2013-05-15 08:56:52 PM  

HighlanderRPI: It's not about guns - never was - it's about control.


You're not going to overthrow the government. Grow up.
 
2013-05-15 09:01:04 PM  

HighlanderRPI: People in this thread who think the 2nd is about strictly home defense and/or hunting are hilarious.

It's not about guns - never was - it's about control.


If the government wants you dead or captured, you're going to be captured or die. If you're so worried about the government controlling you, you probably shouldn't be so gung ho on defense spending, as the VAST majority of gun nuts are. I am in fact in favor of a massive drawdown in military spending. It scares me in this day and age how aggressive and violent we are as a culture and as a species.
 
2013-05-15 09:02:00 PM  

HighlanderRPI: People in this thread who think the 2nd is about strictly home defense and/or hunting are hilarious.

It's not about guns - never was - it's about control.


Translation:

I needs guns to kill cops, soldiers, State or Federal agents

Be honest about it
 
2013-05-15 09:09:36 PM  
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2013-05-15 09:27:55 PM  
Whenever pro-gun advocates go on about how the idea of an assault weapon ban is pointless and stupid, all it does is push me (who's pretty ambivalent about gun control and doesn't really have a strong stance either way) towards supporting banning all semi-automatic guns, rather than banning none of them. I'm just not sure this argument is doing what they think its doing.
 
2013-05-15 09:45:49 PM  
A gun thread? We havn't had one of these in ages.

//anybody's mind been changed on this issue lately? Yeah, didn't think so.
 
2013-05-15 10:01:34 PM  
All weapons are assault weapons. If you can't assault someone with them, then they're not a weapon.
 
2013-05-15 10:08:49 PM  
We've been arguing about it daily since December, if people don't understand, or won't understand the terminology by now then they never will.
 
2013-05-15 10:18:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Question:  Is a rifle a weapon?

Answer: yes.

Then an assault rifle is an assault weapon.

Just like an assault carrot would be an assault vegetable.


No, an "assault weapon" has a precise legal definition, as it had to in order to be banned/controlled by the Assault Weapons Ban. If you have a problem with this, you may take it up with the people who defined it.

Also, your analogy sucks. I might as well say "Did someone die because of negligence? It must be murder, then", even though the person may only be charged with manslaughter or a lesser charge than murder. The point is that when the law is involved it doesn't matter what you think, it only matters what the law says.
 
2013-05-15 10:21:46 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: AdolfOliverPanties: Question:  Is a rifle a weapon?

Answer: yes.

Then an assault rifle is an assault weapon.

Just like an assault carrot would be an assault vegetable.

No, an "assault weapon" has a precise legal definition, as it had to in order to be banned/controlled by the Assault Weapons Ban. If you have a problem with this, you may take it up with the people who defined it.

Also, your analogy sucks. I might as well say "Did someone die because of negligence? It must be murder, then", even though the person may only be charged with manslaughter or a lesser charge than murder. The point is that when the law is involved it doesn't matter what you think, it only matters what the law says.


Stop arguing with yourself.  You and yourself are both wrong.
 
2013-05-15 10:21:51 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The M4A1 "assault rifle" is fully automatic: pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds until the trigger is released.

It is? Really? You know they only come in 3-round burst as military issue, right?

Does that make the military assault rifle not an "assault" rifle.

These semantics are bullshiat. Any weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, is smaller (length) than a hunting rifle and has a 20+ box of ammo stuffed into it is an "assault" weapon because it's made to assault/clear a room or storm a fixed position. That sh*t ain't home defense. You know it.


Actually, if you want to get into semantics, you just described the M4. The M4A1 IS the fully automatic variant.
 
2013-05-15 10:23:52 PM  

Lando Lincoln: All weapons are assault weapons. If you can't assault someone with them, then they're not a weapon.


This.

/Well, except for ballet weapons, of course.
 
2013-05-15 10:23:58 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The M4A1 "assault rifle" is fully automatic: pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds until the trigger is released.

It is? Really? You know they only come in 3-round burst as military issue, right?

Does that make the military assault rifle not an "assault" rifle.

These semantics are bullshiat. Any weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, is smaller (length) than a hunting rifle and has a 20+ box of ammo stuffed into it is an "assault" weapon because it's made to assault/clear a room or storm a fixed position. That sh*t ain't home defense. You know it.


That sh*t is indeed home defense. Admittedly the home is in either northern Israel, Lebanon, or Syria, but it's still home defense.
 
2013-05-15 10:24:41 PM  
Oooh, it's the one with a bayonet stud, flash suppressor, and collapsible stock.

/Our nation wins nothing
 
2013-05-15 10:25:46 PM  

Clutch2013: The M4A1 IS the fully automatic variant.


Which is issued to how many soldiers in the U.S. Army?

It's not a point of debate. We've moved away from the full-auto. Yes, A1. I get it, not later variants. The argument is civilian vs. military-issue.

Current military issue is 3-round-burst.

Semantics.
 
2013-05-15 10:26:15 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The M4A1 "assault rifle" is fully automatic: pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds until the trigger is released.

It is? Really? You know they only come in 3-round burst as military issue, right?


Article's correct. M4 carbines are the 3-round burst models, issued to average soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors.  M4A1 carbines have the burst setting swapped out for full auto.
 
2013-05-15 10:26:27 PM  

NewportBarGuy: The M4A1 "assault rifle" is fully automatic: pull the trigger once and it fires multiple rounds until the trigger is released.

It is? Really? You know they only come in 3-round burst as military issue, right?

Does that make the military assault rifle not an "assault" rifle.

These semantics are bullshiat. Any weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, is smaller (length) than a hunting rifle and has a 20+ box of ammo stuffed into it is an "assault" weapon because it's made to assault/clear a room or storm a fixed position. That sh*t ain't home defense. You know it.


The M4 is safe-1 round- 3 round; the A1 is safe-1 round-full auto variant.
 
2013-05-15 10:27:19 PM  
bdub77

No more posts.  I'd post the whole "you're not helping" thing, but seriously, take yourself off the 'net.  At least for awhile.
 
2013-05-15 10:28:05 PM  
You know by now we've heard the NRA bullshiat about how ineffective gun control is, but then when we look across the Atlantic and Pacific there are 1st world nations that prove this line of shiat wrong day in and day out, so I'm pretty much done having 'conversations" with these nuts.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:01 PM  
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/oblig
 
2013-05-15 10:29:07 PM  
All guns need to be banned because then only bad guys would guns and we could arrest them for having guns.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:08 PM  
I could, in theory, use an eggplant as a weapon to assault Subby. But an eggplant would be a silly choice as a weapon of assault.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:33 PM  
What a load.  "What makes it different than this ranch rifle?"  Because that picture of a Rugar Mini 14 .223 didn't have the available high capacity magazine in it for starters.

I happen to own a crapton of guns, some of which have these sorts of magazines available.  About 99% of them were left to me by my father.  I keep them locked up with the sentimental value they hold for me.  But I'm not antigun regulation by any means.  Lock 'em all up.  Get them off the streets.  Tell me I have to turn mine in.  I'd rather have the memory of my father through pictures and let other people have their memories come later than to see any more ridiculous people go about shooting others because of some archaic right.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:40 PM  

drew46n2: You know by now we've heard the NRA bullshiat about how ineffective gun control is, but then when we look across the Atlantic and Pacific there are 1st world nations that prove this line of shiat wrong day in and day out, so I'm pretty much done having 'conversations" with these nuts.


Promise?
 
2013-05-15 10:29:44 PM  

lokis_mentor: the A1 is safe-1 round-full auto variant.


It is not issued! It's not an option! The current battle rifle is a 3-round burst!
 
2013-05-15 10:30:15 PM  
Assault rifle: medium caliber and select fire

Assault weapon: Does not exist; bullshiat term made up by the media and politicians

Seriously, though, the second amendment isn't just about ordinary self protection, it's about the people being able to defend themselves from tyranny. Unfortunately the financial requirements to keep up this pace is out of the reach of the average person.

The fortunate part is that should that day finally come for Americans it will likely mean facing corrupt cops, not our own military. Because of that I would set that as the minimum for compliance with the second amendment. A normal person, in any location in the US, should be able to be at least as well-armed as your typical SWAT member.
 
2013-05-15 10:30:26 PM  

m053486: bdub77

No more posts.  I'd post the whole "you're not helping" thing, but seriously, take yourself off the 'net.  At least for awhile.


Aww. I'm sorry I hurt your widdle feelings.
 
2013-05-15 10:31:10 PM  
An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm.

I guess, if you are threatened by an inanimate object, with ability to cause the arm you are so in fear if, this is indeed, an "assault" rifle..

/But I live on earth, and realize the capacity to do harm is in the hands of the person holding it..
 
2013-05-15 10:32:12 PM  
arm you are so in fear if*

 that would be harm, and of...

stupid smart phone..
 
2013-05-15 10:32:19 PM  
Oh, and NewportBarGuy: These semantics are bullshiat. Any weapon that fires a rifle cartridge, is smaller (length) than a hunting rifle and has a 20+ box of ammo stuffed into it is an "assault" weapon because it's made to assault/clear a room or storm a fixed position. That sh*t ain't home defense. You know it.

And here I thought I'd seen enough legitimate posts from you to think this was a troll.  Clearly not.  Review your information, sir.

/Getting to the point I'm going to leave Fark...I'd attempt to draw Drew's attention, but he clearly doesn't give a sh$t
 
2013-05-15 10:32:51 PM  
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2013-05-15 10:33:09 PM  

drew46n2: You know by now we've heard the NRA bullshiat about how ineffective gun control is, but then when we look across the Atlantic and Pacific there are 1st world nations that prove this line of shiat wrong day in and day out, so I'm pretty much done having 'conversations" with these nuts.


Yeah, let's be like Great Britain and arrest people for carrying knives and have our government monitor our every move with billions of CC cameras. That sounds really safe.
 
2013-05-15 10:34:22 PM  
Assault weapon classification varies from state to state. It is too dependent.
 
2013-05-15 10:34:39 PM  
Define "terror"
Now, define "terrorism"
Now define "act of terrorism"

/Thought so.
// pussy
/// LOLITROLLUUUUUU
 
2013-05-15 10:34:53 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think a revolver and a bolt action rifle were "semi-automatic"?


 There's no bolt-actions in that 3rd pic.  There's a semi-shotgun and a rifle with a Garand-style action (likely a Mini-14, though it could be a Mini-30 or something; hard to tell with the pic that small)...which is semi-automatic.

As for the revolver, you're technically correct in that revolvers aren't semi-automatic.  However, as they define "semi-automatic" as "They all fire one bullet and only one bullet each time the trigger is pulled." (which is colloquially how people would define a semi-automatic weapon), and that revolver is a double action weapon that will fire one bullet and only one bullet each time the trigger is pulled (as well as automatically "loading" the next round via advancing the cylinder...I'd say it's close enough.

The point made in that slide is valid.  Each of those weapons can fire one shot per pull of the trigger for as long as the ammo holds out, as fast as you can pull the trigger.  Unless you're a fan of cognitive dissonance, if you're calling to ban the AR-15 on grounds of "rate of fire", then you should be pushing for all these weapons to be banned as well.
 
2013-05-15 10:35:34 PM  
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Assault vehicle
 
2013-05-15 10:35:42 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: AdolfOliverPanties: Question:  Is a rifle a weapon?

Answer: yes.

Then an assault rifle is an assault weapon.

Just like an assault carrot would be an assault vegetable.

No, an "assault weapon" has a precise legal definition, as it had to in order to be banned/controlled by the Assault Weapons Ban. If you have a problem with this, you may take it up with the people who defined it.

Also, your analogy sucks. I might as well say "Did someone die because of negligence? It must be murder, then", even though the person may only be charged with manslaughter or a lesser charge than murder. The point is that when the law is involved it doesn't matter what you think, it only matters what the law says.


Are you two related?
 
2013-05-15 10:36:19 PM  

dgames: What a load.  "What makes it different than this ranch rifle?"  Because that picture of a Rugar Mini 14 .223 didn't have the available high capacity magazine in it for starters.

I happen to own a crapton of guns, some of which have these sorts of magazines available.  About 99% of them were left to me by my father.  I keep them locked up with the sentimental value they hold for me.  But I'm not antigun regulation by any means.  Lock 'em all up.  Get them off the streets.  Tell me I have to turn mine in.  I'd rather have the memory of my father through pictures and let other people have their memories come later than to see any more ridiculous people go about shooting others because of some archaic right.


Yeah...that's kind of the problem.
 
2013-05-15 10:36:39 PM  

FightDirector: Gecko Gingrich: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think a revolver and a bolt action rifle were "semi-automatic"?

 There's no bolt-actions in that 3rd pic.  There's a semi-automatic shotgun...


I have no idea how that happened.  Clearly, the entire shotgun is actually there.
 
2013-05-15 10:37:26 PM  
I have an assault weapon..IN MY PANTS!! I keep it right here, next to my penis.
 
2013-05-15 10:38:07 PM  
Pfft.  You libbos crack me up.  Your continued condescending attitude toward us "gun nuts" betrays your bias.

We prefer to be called Gun Nerds.  I don't spend endless threads rattling off inane details and specifications of firearms to be just some gun nut.  Gun Nerdry is a discipline that takes constant study, field work, and discussion to remain on top of all current firearm techniques, tactics, and trends within the firearm industry.

You need to spend a minimum of three years religiously studying Guns and Ammo before you can even begin to understand the level of pedantry within the Gun Nerd Community.

You probably call magazines "clips".  That's strike three.  Checkmate.
 
2013-05-15 10:38:30 PM  
imageshack.us

/Yes, there are weapons that the average idiot has no business using.
 
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